She's The Only One Who Can Help! | Hollyoaks
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"The arrogance of man is thinking nature is in their control, and not the other way around." - Dr. Ichiro Serizawa
Even if the character is reacting expectedly, you know all the actors have gone along with the ideology on set.
Not once has it been mentioned that any 12 year old going through puberty goes through confusion and identity issues. Literally within 2 days, Rose suddenly determines she's a boy and the next day comes out. Damaging storyline. Hollyoaks is done.
2 days literally
Rose said alway's felt that was born in the wrong body Kitty only help Rose admitted
@@JohnathanHouston-uq6hy kitty is a child nurse and heavily involved in this story too they really haven’t done good with portaging kitty as anything but abit of a weirdo I’m ngl. The beau scenes have genuinely done nothing but make me laugh at times with the way he talks about her it just isn’t working. I feel like she has the most screen time too
Tony fine with sexuality but not this...yeah whoever wrote this storyline well done for ruining Tony.
Joey15811 WD it is what it is i guess!👍
He wasn't always fine with his son being gay and its still a shock when your child tells you something like that
Not the same thing. You can't change your sexuality, but gender is fluid and surgery and operations can validate delusions.
@@nonnobis2232 They can make someone suffering with gender dysphoria and decrease the chances of self harm and suicide you mean? Being trans is not a delusion because gender is a social construct so they can't be wrong about what their gender is
Why would he be fine with this? In fact, why would you? You are evil.
Rose isn’t even 12. She’s 10. She was born in 2013. She’ll be 11 this year. This is a bit too young for this storyline sorry
Why is it too young? Kids younger than 10 have gone through this in real life
They aged the characters up so she's 12 now
He
I knew when I was 10
To young? You don’t just decide when your trans you know. It’s called exploring yourself and stuff like that. And trust me nobody wants to be trans but that’s just who some people are
You know I think it is OK having to be for who you are weather if it is a boy or girl and if that's what it is I would just let it go
Look up the story of "Milo" from MTV's 2016 documentary Transformation and hear what she has to say.
ya’ll are acting like trans people just suddenly appear in the world as adults. trans adults were once trans kids.
Wow… you really know nothing about this do you, most older generation transsexuals had to wait till adulthood by law to transition, because not doing that is child abuse
@@fernthegreenfairyand the toll of not getting to transition or be yourself at a young age is astronomical (which is just social and was puberty blockers which were initially intended for cis kids). it's child abuse to not listen to your child and instead causing them severe mental distress that lasts until adulthood
Getting groomed at 11 year old? Makes sense
Tiger Terry is absolutely right here. Runner Rose needs to stop being with Hello Kitty
I’ve not watched this garbage in years but I think a straight jacket is the way forward for young rose.
Is anyone going to address that Rose or DeeDee is actually Teigans daughter and Leela has nothing to do with her. Everyone has forgotten the baby swap story, and who her true relatives are. It's pathetic.
It’s lazy writing
Dee Dee is biologically Tegan's, but she kept and raised Rose even when she found out the kids were swapped at birth. I do get it though, it's like Tegan didn't even exist with Leela, Ste and Peri not having anything to do with Rose.
Came to say the same.
It's Deedee who is biologically the Lomax's relation. But Rose was raised till bout 3 with Tegan..
Children barely have anything to do with other family member in soaps unless there is a storyline involved.
Diane works in school tony a counciler and they run a restruant
When you are trans, there is something in you that always knows. There isn't some kind of "sudden decision," there are years of internal struggle. Why would anyone decide to be a part of a demographic that is in constant danger? That woman is right, why would anyone put that on a child? Unless living a lie and losing your heart is more painful than the idea of death. THAT is something no one should wish on anyone. Shouldn't we want children to have a chance at happiness and peace in themselves?
How could you always know what it's like to be something you're not? It's damaging and inciting to suggest that questioning that will lead to them killing themselves.
kitty is an adult and rose is just a child she can’t make these adult decisions i dont know this can happened in real life its rediculous
Hollyoaks was blessed right up until 2022. From then it has just gone downhill and it makes me sad 😩
It went downhill long before 2022 though.
What happened in 2022?
It went downhill in 2016
@@jimmykray9583no literally
Now that I think about it wasn't Tony pretty supportive when Blessing told him about her being Trans
How is Lucas hay the same age as JJ and Frankie. Lucas was born in 2009 making him Year 10 but the Osborne twins were born in 2011 making them Year 8. what is happening I’m confused
Why do I get the feeling that Rose will end up taking her life? Think about it, we've had a lot of happy endings for the gay and trans folks but no tragedies. Or none recently.
Rose feels unwanted, gets more isolated and depressed, grabs a bottle of booze and some pills. Maybe they could show her surviving that, but dieing of liver failure days later?
More people take there life after transitioning! Rather than treating the mental condition
Muddy Pig OA I hope it won’t come to that I really want this storyline for Rose to continue.
@@dualtrondreamteam6811 wtf .......
Nick looking pretty dapper in that suit there! Has a bit of a Michael De Santa look from Grand Theft Auto 5. 👍
Ooh more❤❤❤❤❤
This sickness is their go to now
@@dualtrondreamteam6811The producers of this show need their hard drives checked.
I only started watching hollyoaks again recently after the car crash/Ella dying storyline. But Why do we never see Tony and Diane’s baby Eva…did I miss something?
thats a good question. we haven't seen the baby in several years now i think
Children can't make adult decisions
Where’s the adult decision? It’s not like anyone’s having surgery.
@@kadenmarsay3276 wait for the story to develop
Yes, they can, when its not a decision and is just apart of who they are. I was 12 when I came out as gay and 15 when I came out as non binary. I'm 22 now and guess what... I'm still both of those things
@@EloiseHowell-lz9ij coming out is one thing. Acting on your identity is another. Coming out as trans isn't a problem, expecting to have hormones and surgery, which is where I suspect is where this story is headed, is completely different and wrong.
Transing the gay away.
I stand with Tony! ✊
Next week rose will want a moustache.
Tony is absolutely in the right about this. Kitty needs to stop encourage Rose.
Exactly!!! Tony has been through hell and back and the last thing he wants is his young teenaged daughter being confused thinking that she's a boy. Tony and Diane should have never taken this trans person into their house, a complete stranger. Now this person messed up their young daughter's head believing she's someone that she's not. This is why there's so much pushback in real life teaching young children about LGBTQ lessons in schools and having ppl in that community influencing kids of that age.
@gunnyo50 yeah that's not how it works in the real world. When we're younger we are pushed this narrative. I was told "you're going to marry a boy" and "you're such a pretty girl" etc but guess what? That didn't stop me from being gay or non binary. People can't influence who you actually are otherwise I would be a straight female. It's important to educate on these topics so young people know that what they are feeling is okay. Wheh i was 10, I didn't really know what being gay or nonbinary was but I knew I was different. I didn't want to play kiss tag with the boys and I didn't want to play mummy's. It was so confusing and I felt so alone. We know we are these things before we know what they are and education is the second step in accepting and loving ourselves. I learnt what gay was and came out at 12 (I'm 22 and still gay)
I came out as non binary at 15. Gender is harder because it's not as simple as who you are attracted to, but someone exploring until they find out who they are isn't a bad thing. I thought I was a trans boy at first because I knew i wasnt a girl but I didn't know about non binary. However, when I did finally learn about it, i knew exactly that moment that that's what I was (still non binary at 22)
Of course people can be groomed (not influenced) or confused about things (which is okay) but in the majority of cases that is not what happens. Lgbtq+ education won't influence young people in to becoming gay or transgender because it doesn't work like that, we are born this way. The most it can do is make someone explore who they are, and if that's a straight cis person then that's great, the exploring didn't do them any harm.
Kitty is unwell and he continues to groom rose and now her parents! And it's funny how aggressive he gets! That's his true colours
@@dualtrondreamteam6811 babes I think you’re the one that’s ill
Feeding the idea because he didn't get the support he needed when he was going through it!
Poor Rose 😢
Grow up
Definitely
Oh no
@@samhocking1998 you grow up
@@sarahyeates you need to get a life
Tony had no problem with Ste or Harry..So now he's being ignorant with Rose saying she's in the wrong body wants to be a boy.Enough of the Carter type characters.
jwsm2 He’s out of his mind.
Feeling that ways
@@ChelseyLindenWD why are you still here?
He did have a problem with Harry at first actually.
Plus trans is very different from sexuality - its a lot harder to get your head around and while he is handling it very poorly, I can at least understand it given his shock and fear.
Nobody is born in the wrong body. This storyline is absurd.
No Stranger can tell you how to raise your own child!
What a terrible storyline, nowdays you cant trust anyone, why are you promoting listening to someone just because of their sexuality or perversions.
Children can't reverse the damage done by puberty blockers etc, thats why Sweden have stopped encouraging and practicing this.
Make life choices when you are an adult!
Studies find transitioning don't lower risk!
Oh my god hardly any child gets gender reconstruction surgery and taking puberty blockers isn't the end of the world
@@kehindeomolaoye8020 12-18 year old account for 8% of transgender surgeries!
Puberty blockers (gonadotrophin-releasing hormone analogues) pause the physical changes of puberty, such as breast development or facial hair.
Little is known about the long-term side effects of hormone or puberty blockers in children with gender dysphoria.
Although GIDS advises this is a physically reversible treatment if stopped, it is not known what the psychological effects may be.
It's also not known whether hormone blockers affect the development of the teenage brain or children's bones. Side effects may also include hot flushes, fatigue and mood alterations.
From the age of 16, teenagers who've been on hormone blockers for at least 12 months may be given cross-sex hormones, also known as gender-affirming hormones.
These hormones cause some irreversible changes, such as:
breast development (caused by taking oestrogen)
breaking or deepening of the voice (caused by taking testosterone)
Long-term cross-sex hormone treatment may cause temporary or even permanent infertility.
However, as cross-sex hormones affect people differently, they should not be considered a reliable form of contraception.
There is uncertainty about the high risks of long-term cross-sex hormone treatment.
www.ncregister.com/cna/study-patients-aged-12-18-account-for-8-of-transgender-surgeries
@@kehindeomolaoye8020 Do some research!
12-18 year olds account for 8% of transgender surgeries!
NHS~Puberty blockers (gonadotrophin-releasing hormone analogues) pause the physical changes of puberty, such as breast development or facial hair.
Little is known about the long-term side effects of hormone or puberty blockers in children with gender dysphoria.
Although GIDS advises this is a physically reversible treatment if stopped, it is not known what the psychological effects may be.
It's also not known whether hormone blockers affect the development of the teenage brain or children's bones. Side effects may also include hot flushes, fatigue and mood alterations.
From the age of 16, teenagers who've been on hormone blockers for at least 12 months may be given cross-sex hormones, also known as gender-affirming hormones.
These hormones cause some irreversible changes, such as:
breast development (caused by taking oestrogen)
breaking or deepening of the voice (caused by taking testosterone)
Long-term cross-sex hormone treatment may cause temporary or even permanent infertility.
However, as cross-sex hormones affect people differently, they should not be considered a reliable form of contraception.
There is uncertainty about the high risks of long-term cross-sex hormone treatment.
@@kehindeomolaoye8020you really haven’t looked into puberty blockers at all have you? What OP said is correct.
@@feraiivie don't take my word for it, healthline are puberty blockers reversible
I can see both sides tbh eveh tony, like yesterday he had a girl and today he has a boy, its easier to get a transgenders strangers pronouns right than someone you know. Itll be a struggle for them to start saying he/him
Rose gender dysphoria is a serious issue because people with gender dysphoria plagued with feeling's of depression and fear
W Tony
grow up
@@dollfairytopia 6 ft 1 and 85kg, no growing up for me
wtf is this world coming to
Omg thankyou
Every comment is “people can be what they want” ur literally born male or female
@@anthonyhobbs1171 oh shut up 🙄 they once said the same thing about gay people. This stuff will never ever affect you, so why do you care?!? People will work themselves up over a stranger when they could just be happy minding their business. Such an odd way to live life being bothered by someone’s choice in life. You couldn’t pay me to care about someone wanting to be gay or a girl or a boy, I just don’t care lol. Try it!
@@anthonyhobbs1171yeah but you’re talking about sex, not gender
@@anthonyhobbs1171Sex can't be changed and no one is disputing that.
Gender is different- its a social construct and therefore CAN be changed
Tony is right though kitty is a disgrace
What is wrong with u Kitty was helping Rose to come term's with there gender dysphoria
@JohnathanHouston-uq6 No, validating the delusion that you can be born in the wrong body (a metaphysical concept) is abhorrent.
@@chrisbfreelancein what way is it abhorrent and how does another person doing what's right for them affect you in anyway
@chrisbfreelance thank you it's not that she's trans that's the issue it's her putting it on rose
Yeah, I’ve got a problem with this storyline. It’s completely ridiculous to paint Tony as the bad guy because he’s heard his kid say one thing and he needs time to wrap his head around what’s happening. Tony’s reaction is completely normal and any halfway decent parent should react something like this, especially since his life is falling apart as far as he’s concerned. These comments being mad at Tony need to get a grip. Did he kick the kid out and disown the kid? No. Send the kid to conversion therapy? Say anything unnecessary or actually mean? No. All he did was react surprised and try to understand where this is all coming from since he clearly didn’t see it coming. He is not the bad guy in this situation. There is no bad guy in this situation. Rose needs to learn that these kinds of things take time and parents probably aren’t going to immediately accept this without asking questions first, especially if they didn’t see it coming.
I thought diane would be the problem diane being reasonable.
She has failed as a mother
Hollyoaks will soon be off air forever 👍🏻
A good few years, thankfully. Nice try though, bigot.
People that are supporting this storyline are sick.
@@neoscencezYou need your hard drive checked.
The moment anyone says pronouns on a TV show. It immediately goes downhill
Its realistic when it comes to transgender and non binary community.
Literally it’s awful😂
@@ThatReallyIsNotOddYeah nothing worse than being told your being rude to someone you don't know at all
Same with Doctor Who.
Morning. I don't claim to know much but wouldn't he start by doing more social transitioning - wearing more "boy" clothes, hair cut short etc. It feels like a very quick jump. At the very least you would jump straight out of "girl" school uniform if it made you feel so uncomfortable. Just a thought.
Don’t encourage it, jeezus 🤦♂️.
We are worried that grown adults are grooming children into thinking they are born in the wrong body. No child is. Children are born perfect. We need to affirm to them they are perfect as they are. Anything else is child abuse.
Tony the only one who’s talking sense, I don’t know how the actors deal with these ridiculous storylines I’d walk off set.
Muna
#CancelHollyoaks
if you don't like it that's fine , but don't try to ruin the show for everyone else who takes good lessons from it like the Kyle suicide episode which saved people's lives who were thinking about ending it
@kehindeomolaoye8020 Child transitioning is notnsaving lives.
@@theheartofsouls738 say that to kids who kill themselves
@@kehindeomolaoye8020 What they needed was counselling, education and prayer, not mutilation to fulfill one's fantasies.
@@theheartofsouls738 Of course as we all know people in need don't require medical professionals, why do we even have doctors if all we need to do is pray thanks for opening my eyes.
I still think kitty is fin
And Tony needs to get a grip it's 2024 man let people fo what they want and be what they want
Why would kitty be finn
To get close to diane again since thats her mom @@kyrasl
Umm what did i just watch?
Parents are allowed to be upset, strangers who get upset are absolute weirdos, they’re the same people that would have supported gay relationships being illegal. And I for one would never respect a thing that comes out of someone’s mouth who would have thoughts like that. Proper idiots. 😅 You know who the happiest people on earth are?!? The ones who mind their business and don’t care what harmless choices other humans make ✌️
Well said
"harmless choices" though? 🤦🏼♀️😂 It seems you yourself are a stranger that gets upset by other strangers having their own differing opinions... The hypocrisy of the "woke" never ends.
@@yvonnezed I couldn’t be upset by people I don’t respect or who are not on my level lol. You all fit that criteria, you look like you work a low skilled job. We are not in the same tax bracket.
I'm loving this storyline as it shows the misconceptions and judgements of what people go though when they are transitioning ❤❤❤❤
0:11 WD i told you i was right, that is a young boy!#Hollyoaks #All4 😊
Why does tony act like this he had a full on gay son that married a man 7 years older than him
Because accepting gay adults isn’t the same thing as accepting child abuse, especially when that method of child abuse is commonly used as conversion therapy for lesbian and gay children
I am not sure if Rose Lomax storyline is good or not. I think there is backlash because it is a very sensitive issue, especially the connection between children and sex is usually considered as taboo. However, for the people who critized, I don't think this is your business you need to be too delibrately care about because it is their issue but not your issue.
The agenda that’s being pushed in British media to a young demographic that involves affirming the delusions of a mentally ill 10 year old and acting as if transitioning kids is normal for the sake of social progressivism and brownie points is absolutely everyone’s business, TV exists for people to have opinions on, who are you to tell anyone otherwise
Your argument is that the general public should care less about child abuse and the promotion of child abuse in media because it’s not out business?
@@fernthegreenfairy Em…The line of the situation is so vague that you can't determine the issue is good or evil, or right and wrong
@@jayllawton4387
There’s nothing vague about child abuse, it’s wrong, justifying it in your heads makes you the problem
@@fernthegreenfairy I understand that child abuse has nothing vague… Yet, this one on Hollyoaks, seems so unclear what actually is exactly.
hi
I really thought that when Brooke left all this rubbish would stop 🙄 , can't watch this crap anymore.
I'm sorry this is so wrong and disgusting they're a CHILD
So was Jazz Jennings. Stop being transphobic.
@@torilove4868 it's not transphobic, Rose is a child she doesn't know yet. She might just like to wear more masculine clothes and look more masculine.
Jump Cut Films So are you saying the same thing about Jason and Phoenix? You’re such a jerk!!!!!
@@ChelseyLinden they were older and could understand it better
And? Its not like they're doing anything irreversible- just let them exist in the way that is most comfortable for them
Social engineering right here!!!! Stop confusing children with this BS, let kids be kids. This is absolutely disgusting and channel 4 should be held accountable.
Hate it
My feelings about the car in your picture
Oh for OA’s sake Tony you had no issue with your Son Harry being Gay and Ste was like a Son to you, you were always there for him when he was addicted to drugs and going berserk over them you need to face facts that you don’t have a Daughter anymore (except for Dee Dee aka Rose) still you need to get over yourself. I’m glad Diane was there defending him I even heard this was done with Jason Costello and his Parents weren’t okay with it along with Silas which is why he was always calling him “Jasmine” instead of Jason but if Rose wants to go by a different name then Tony’s gonna need to start respecting this. Ivy I still have bad feelings about still I even still wished that Rose would’ve spoken to Sally about this considering she too is Transgender only MTF but still she could have a talk with her I am glad what Ivy was talking to Tony about with Rose as well but I still have bad vibes about her especially with her being with Beau “Brady 😂” still I hope the truth about her real identity will come out soon and Beau will dump her along with Maxine for Carter. 😒
@@Michael.ChelseaFC4605 OA true and if Rose asks Misbah then hopefully she’ll be okay with it.
@@Michael.ChelseaFC4605 OA I hope she will and I also wonder what Carter will do about this as well. 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
@@Michael.ChelseaFC4605 OA hmm fair point. 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
@@Michael.ChelseaFC4605 OA hmm. Who knows Michael?????
I think sally would have told her to speak to her parents and not tried to convince her either way. I like Sally but Ivy im not sure about she should have stepped back and told tony and Diane she that Rose needed help
I wish this kitty would stop encouraging rose's illness
@@JohnathanHouston-uq6hy OA exactly.
Sam Davis OA I wish it would’ve been Sally who was helping Rose with this instead of Ivy and she would’ve probably said the same thing to her. And even though Ivy still did nothing wrong.
@@JohnathanHouston-uq6hygender dysphoria***
Gr00mers
There’s so many nasty comments on this storyline, anyone think about the potential 10/12 plus year olds watching this that feel the same way as Rose does?
Yes that’s the problem, it’s conditioning vulnerable mentally ill children into feeling this way and if they already did it’s worsening their symptoms by affirming their delusions and pushing them further into their mental illness, it’s incredibly harmful to children, children should not be thinking this way and this abusive ideology shouldn’t be normalised all over British media when so many kids have been victim to it already, I say this as someone who once was one of those kids, who has felt like her, this is incredibly harmful
Bet you never gave a seconds thought to how detrans kids would feel about this kind of media, how triggering that must be after all the trauma trans activists have put them through, watching more kids like them being manipulated by trans activists as if it’s normal
I’m transgender I came out in 2022 it’s been over a year since I changed my name and gender markers my mum still dead names me I just ignore her
Tony is so self centred
Vomit indusing ❤️
Vile
I wish people would get people's pronouns right People should stay Out of others business instead of ignoring things they don't understand