LMAO I knew Ron Kennedy would be salty that Ken Burns focused on the one issue the rebel states talked about THE MOST in the majority of the secession declarations.
Fall 1862 Captain Henry Abbott 20th Massachusetts in Boston recovering from his bout with Typhoid: "It kills me that they sent me home. I should be with my men. President Lincoln has just announced the Emancipation Proclamation, an utterly ridiculous notion, especially the part that requires officers to see that it's carried out. My men will do no such thing. We have too much respect for the Constitution. This war is about keeping the Union whole but Lincoln has just made it about slavery." Source: Civil War...Blood on the Battlefields (The Butcher's Bill)
Slaves were worth $4Billion in 1860. They were the single most valuable economic asset in the country at the time and a huge part of the world economy, where cotton textile industry was a leading industry of the day (like the car in 1950s), or rail in 19th C.
Only, Slaves Were PEOPLE! They were humans as were their traffickers and enslavers and the rich who grew wealthier due to their labor. How much were Whites worth at that time? When we monetize humans we dehumanize society. This is why slavery was abolished and a war was fought for PRECISELY that reason. Intergenerational wealth was achieved through this labor . The skilled laborers were the enslaved. After emancipation towns were established and flourished due to the labor of these skilled laborers. Due to the monetary success of these towns, they were burned, flooded and the residents lynched, shit, burned and raped, and incarcerated so that the slave system could still be enforced. THIS is why there is a push for reparations, objectively.
I'm from the south. I grew up revering Lee, Jackson, Longstreet (yes, even him), and all the people who fought in the war. But we've rehashed the "heritage' thing so many times that I thought we were over that. Southerners, many of them, fought because the North was "down here" invading their home; aiming to destroy their culture (heritage). Without slavery their "culture" couldn't have existed. The leaders of the South knew that and liked their culture. That's a solid reason why they seceded. Slavery was sort of like the blood running through their veins of the pre-war culture. Maybe you can't easily see it, but without it Southern culture was going to die. States rights, tariffs, power in government. They were all fueled by slavery.
After the end of British Indian revolt in 1858, India was ready to produce cotton. Egypt with the Nile could turn to produce cotton. British government through their consulates in the Turkish port city began to give free of charge cotton seeds to the agricultural people 3 years earlier the Civil War (in 1858!). Because the Europen sugar beet sugar industry Brasil lost the European sugar market so Brasil could turn to cotton so other countries could turn to produce cotton. Northern USA could export corn to the World so countries could turn to produce cotton instead of corn!
Just saw this agaun after a long tine. The Son of Confederates speakx glibly of The Southern People. Forgetting that not all of those people are or were White
I almost can’t even listen to Mr. Kennedy. Gaines and Hewitt are the voices of reason here. The intellectual mic drop moment, “had there not been slavery in the 1860s would there have been a war?”
@@jamesclements9448 Anyone that would ask that stupid question or think it's a mic drop moment IS. The answer is YES there would have been. How many wars did the U.S. fight that had nothing to do with slavery but was fought for money and resources? All of them. If the U.S. really cared that much about the humanity of black people then why did they feel the need to wholesale slaughter American Indians before and after the Civil War? Were they not humans too? The ironic part is the U.S. has used the "we need to help the (black/brown/asian) people" excuse every time they need an excuse to go to war to steal resources or land. There's your mic drop moment!
@@mikelovin7 There absolutely would not have been a war without slavery. You fundamentally don't understand the causes of the war. While you are correct about US Imperialism, you fail to understand that in the Civil War it was the Confederate States who held imperial ambitions. America could be the most violent, monstrous imperial power in the excretable history of evil men, and it would not change the fact that the Confederate States seceded in order to maintain the institution of slavery by its extension into the Western States. Your argument is sophomoric. The crimes committed against the Indigenous were monstrous, but it has no more bearing on the causes of the Slave Holder's Rebellion as does the unjustifiability of the War in Vietnam.
Most terrible machine the money making cotton gin , engine in 1893 . They should have been used in industry and pay people using the the machine a very decent wage !
We need intellectual discussions like this in the forefront still
These are excellent talking points that I've not heard before publicly before. Who'd have guessed I'd have found it now?
Superb conversation. Thank you.
Very interesting still being debate even now
Im learning about Cajun/Acadian history very fascinating
LMAO I knew Ron Kennedy would be salty that Ken Burns focused on the one issue the rebel states talked about THE MOST in the majority of the secession declarations.
Fall 1862 Captain Henry Abbott 20th Massachusetts in Boston recovering from his bout with Typhoid:
"It kills me that they sent me home. I should be with my men. President Lincoln has just announced the Emancipation Proclamation, an utterly ridiculous notion, especially the part that requires officers to see that it's carried out. My men will do no such thing. We have too much respect for the Constitution. This war is about keeping the Union whole but Lincoln has just made it about slavery."
Source: Civil War...Blood on the Battlefields (The Butcher's Bill)
Slaves were worth $4Billion in 1860. They were the single most valuable economic asset in the country at the time and a huge part of the world economy, where cotton textile industry was a leading industry of the day (like the car in 1950s), or rail in 19th C.
Only, Slaves Were PEOPLE! They were humans as were their traffickers and enslavers and the rich who grew wealthier due to their labor. How much were Whites worth at that time? When we monetize humans we dehumanize society. This is why slavery was abolished and a war was fought for PRECISELY that reason. Intergenerational wealth was achieved through this labor . The skilled laborers were the enslaved. After emancipation towns were established and flourished due to the labor of these skilled laborers. Due to the monetary success of these towns, they were burned, flooded and the residents lynched, shit, burned and raped, and incarcerated so that the slave system could still be enforced. THIS is why there is a push for reparations, objectively.
I'm from the south. I grew up revering Lee, Jackson, Longstreet (yes, even him), and all the people who fought in the war. But we've rehashed the "heritage' thing so many times that I thought we were over that. Southerners, many of them, fought because the North was "down here" invading their home; aiming to destroy their culture (heritage). Without slavery their "culture" couldn't have existed. The leaders of the South knew that and liked their culture. That's a solid reason why they seceded. Slavery was sort of like the blood running through their veins of the pre-war culture. Maybe you can't easily see it, but without it Southern culture was going to die. States rights, tariffs, power in government. They were all fueled by slavery.
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After the end of British Indian revolt in 1858, India was ready to produce cotton. Egypt with the Nile could turn to produce cotton. British government through their consulates in the Turkish port city began to give free of charge cotton seeds to the agricultural people 3 years earlier the Civil War (in 1858!). Because the Europen sugar beet sugar industry Brasil lost the European sugar market so Brasil could turn to cotton so other countries could turn to produce cotton. Northern USA could export corn to the World so countries could turn to produce cotton instead of corn!
Only the planters owned any significant numbers of slaves. The common average person owned none. The common soldier didn't own any slaves.
Just saw this agaun after a long tine.
The Son of Confederates speakx glibly of The Southern People. Forgetting that not all of those people are or were White
I almost can’t even listen to Mr. Kennedy. Gaines and Hewitt are the voices of reason here. The intellectual mic drop moment, “had there not been slavery in the 1860s would there have been a war?”
@@mikelovin7 Someone’s is, for sure.
@@jamesclements9448 Be careful, your low IQ is showing.
@@jamesclements9448 Anyone that would ask that stupid question or think it's a mic drop moment IS. The answer is YES there would have been. How many wars did the U.S. fight that had nothing to do with slavery but was fought for money and resources? All of them. If the U.S. really cared that much about the humanity of black people then why did they feel the need to wholesale slaughter American Indians before and after the Civil War? Were they not humans too? The ironic part is the U.S. has used the "we need to help the (black/brown/asian) people" excuse every time they need an excuse to go to war to steal resources or land. There's your mic drop moment!
@@mikelovin7 There absolutely would not have been a war without slavery. You fundamentally don't understand the causes of the war.
While you are correct about US Imperialism, you fail to understand that in the Civil War it was the Confederate States who held imperial ambitions. America could be the most violent, monstrous imperial power in the excretable history of evil men, and it would not change the fact that the Confederate States seceded in order to maintain the institution of slavery by its extension into the Western States.
Your argument is sophomoric. The crimes committed against the Indigenous were monstrous, but it has no more bearing on the causes of the Slave Holder's Rebellion as does the unjustifiability of the War in Vietnam.
Scalawag or Yankee. Which are you?
No Black historians in
Needs to be more
Dr. Stewart is black. He just doesn’t look like it
Why are you racist?
Most terrible machine the money making cotton gin , engine in 1893 . They should have been used in industry and pay people using the the machine a very decent wage !
The South LOST. Get over it.
They didn't lose, America lost. Look what it has become today. Especially in the liberal northeast and west coast. Looks like the Yankees lost to me.