So what do you guys think? It's definitely not bad imho but it was harder to dial the amp model in and a little frustrating since I couldn't get it as close as other times... Can't win them all I guess.
First notes: What an incredible circuit design by Peavey. Geez this thing is BRUTAL and so clear. On the amp model: The real amp had a little more presence/sizzle. In the mix it was almost impossible to tell the difference because the cymbals cover that up. Isolated you could tell the difference but the model is very very good. This is THE amp in the helix for this sound, IMO.
Interesting. I noticed that amp A had a little bit high end clarity. Amp B was slightly squishy in the upper end. Still, close enough for Rock&Roll! Great job Jon!!!
Dude, in the mix the amps sounded almost identical to me, but then in the second half of the demo song I kinda picked up a slight difference and thought B was the VST. I genuinely liked both sounds. You explained the sonic characteristics and differences pretty well. I haven't played many tube amps and I love using VSTs but they tend to lack some of those distinctive characteristics you mentioned about the Invective. Nice vid, man! U rock and the song was awesome, as usual!
Excellent demonstration that speaks to how close they are in quality, but different, but not in a manner where I necessarily prefer one over the other as they perform well in the mix.
Just dropping you a comment because I love the fact you just tell us what amp is what. You deserve the interaction just for doing us a solid. We should return the favor. I thought the Helix was "A". But love how close it go to the real deal. Love my helix! Enjoy the channel.
It's all good!! You make music for common people, not for sound engineers, and common people couldn't bother less about this insignificant differences, if really there is any! Relax & Rock on!
Ok, this time is not appropriate to throw in my impedance curve joke. As always Jon, thank you for the awesome POSITVELY CHARGED super content. Cheers!😊
I like these types of comparisons. It shows that even the"old" amp modeler is still unbelievably good and not outdated or inaccurate. It is ridiculous to argue about the differences. It sounds good and that's the goal, right?
I figured A was the amp, because it packed more of a punch B was a bit more fizzy artifactory, so I thought that was the Helix Was hoping I was wrong, since I do own a Helix 😂
The palm mutes are the biggest difference to me. The real amp has a bit of extra oompf and kick to it. But I like both tones, and couldn't pick which one was the real amp until I got to the isolated reveal section.
Hello. Did you connect the guitar directly to the Hiz input of the interface for the line 6 native audio included in this video? And if so, do you keep the interface gain level at zero, or do you add interface gain just right? before the clipping point without it occurring? I would also like to know, if possible, what interface you used. Thank you
Hey man. Long time listener, first time caller. You said you’re using the “high gain mic mix” in that IR pack. Is that exact what it’s called because I got the pack but I’m not seeing that specific file.
This may be a good candidate for your next Tonex capture! 😉 ...I guessed right by the way, only listening on my phone. The upper mids and transients just seem a little dead on the Helix models. Still VERY close, but I would love to hear if Tonex can produce a closer result. After using Tonex, the only amp Sims I enjoy playing are the NeuralDSP ones as they seem to have more harmonic complexity, but even those sound a little two dimensional compared to a good Tonex capture in my opinion. Really enjoy your vids! 👍
I liked more B than A in the mix because of the high frequencies. So, I thought B was the real amp. When isolated, I heard lot of fizz in B respect to the mixed sound, and A had very nice resonances in mid high frequencies. That shows the importance of testing amps in a mix.
I liked the VST for chugging. Ballsier in the lows, more growl. The Invective cuts better in the mix and gives less masking to the bass low-end territory. Nice to see Line 6 getting this close in modeling. Can't wait for their take on the 5150 III and the legendary preamps like JMP-1, Soldano X88R, ADA MP-1 and maybe some Red Seven or Mezzabarba.
the thing i noticed about the vitriol is that it's weirdly dull sounding, and the presence control doesn't fix it. adding a high shelf EQ around 5k and boosting the top end a bit between amp and cab opens it up a lot and gets it closer to the real thing.
I guessed wrong. I found the A was more punchy and compressed while B filled more of the spectrum and sounded "larger" for the lack of a better word. At the end of the video you told us you had the gate turned on on the real amp (afaik the sim doesn't have a gate at all), maybe that's why it sounded more punchy and precise? I had a hard time deciding which I liked more though, good job.
B sounds more open and roomy, I'd pick that one. If that's Line6 that means I was wrong thinking B is the real amp. (edit: I was wrong, I thought B is the real deal... B is Line6... I'm sold).
Helix records extremely well but it lacks that in the room feel for jamming at home. My studio monitors sound good now that I got rid of all my guitar amps lol. I'm dying for the sound of a real cabinet but recording it is a pain compared to helix.
Isolated I could hear the switch, in the mix not really, I mean w/o the visual queue showing you switched in the mix I don't think it came through. Both sound great like always.
I guessed that A was the real amp, but it wasn't even a tonal thing that led me to that. There's an ever-so-slightly wider stereo spread with the real amp compared to the Helix model. Likely due to the non-linearities of a tube amp, and it's mostly noticeable in the chugging sections. Both sound incredible though, regardless of the slight tonal differences! I don't expect everyone to hear such a subtle stereo difference though, as I'm in a treated room with calibrated monitors, hahah.
The Helix model was slightly more open in the top end than the Peavey. That's a trait that I actually thought would be the other way around. If you hadn't revealed that it was amp vs model it was so close that you'd never know it on a recording and as you said, 2 of these amps won't even sound the same. Good stuff.
I couldn’t say for sure which was the tube amp vs. the model. They both sounded similar…I felt amp B had a bit thinner upper mid range. Sounded a little fizzy but that kind of metal often does to me so it didn’t sound odd or out of place to my ears. Amp A was a little more full sounding…I mean…I could see layering the two in a mix and it would probably sound pretty good. Overall I feel I could use either and get desirable results. While I do enjoy this kind of music it’s not my bread and butter so which one would I use to define a signature sound for songs I write in that style? If I was going for a slicker metal sound I might go with B. If I wanted a more classic metal vibe, I’d probably go with A. I’m not as passionate about the style to commit to either one I suppose but those would be the two criteria I would use for deciding which to use if I was in a band that played that kind of music…are we going for slick production or more of vintage tinged metal sound. That’s my two cents. Great job on the demo. 👍
Woah, I thought B was overall better sounding. A bit more tight in the low end :D In the end this again shows that amps are more of a workflow tool for people who need to twist knobs and that vst plugins are more than fine to even use on commercial mixes :)
Alright my guess is that A is the Amp and B is the Sim. Build on in the bass and also a little bit more warm for the A. B is Sharper and more tight, Seem to have this thing on the high end that seem to be mostly on Sim. I'll reply my reaction to the reveal! ahah Love your videos by the way!
I am surprise that there is a big shift in the low end. The Line 6 seems to be a buildup in the lower frequencies (Isolated) and the Amp seemed more in the Low Mid. I didn't ear the Line 6 build up in the mix. If that wasn't a comparison I would probably not ear much of a difference unless i pay special attention to it tho!
Sick comparison. I’d say the “tone” itself was very close but the Invective to me sounded a little more dynamic and “juicier”. Helix sounded dryer and more “stiff”. Both sound badass though and as a proud owner of a real 5150III, Helix floor and Axe FX III, appreciate it all. They all have their own use and all sound great.
I thought it was B when it came to the mix. Even though I was wrong, it still worked well in the mix. Obviously, when you solo it, you can really hear the major differences. In the mix, it was a little harder to tell for me besides maybe the low end of the amp.
Once again, in the mix, it was impossible to tell. In isolation, there is a subtle difference. The Invective had a little bit more articulation? It just seemed there was more detail, and the Helix was...less? I don't even know what knob you could turn to make up for that. That's why I love the naked back-to-back comparison. I just put on the headphones and look away from the monitor.
I thought Amp B was the real thing since I can pick up on those low end frequencies on the palm mutes. I found Helix generally has tightened low end on their models, but it wasn't the case here!
I have a question…when you set up the Helix to get it to match the sound of the Peavey, did you have to tweak the basic settings on the Helix until they sounded close or were you able to set the treble, mid, bass, gain, etc. on the Helix to the same values as the Peavey and get them to sound close? If the former…how vast was the difference in the setting values on the Helix vs your reference amp? It would be interesting to know. 🙂
…like, say you had the treble set to 5 on the Peavy, were you able to set the treble on the Helix to 5 and feel it was close or did you start out in 5 on the Helix and move to 5.5, 6, 6.5, 7, etc. how drastic were the basic settings from one another to achieve the end result? 🙂
Initially I thought B sounded better, but later determined it was close enough that if it weren't a blind test I wouldn't have noticed and I doubt anyone that is not a musician would notice. Now let's see which it is. Edit: Looks like I prefer the model. Not as bright, a little warmer. Just personal preference.
I closed my eyes and watched for a second time. I couldn't hear any difference whatsoever. I couldn't tell when you changed from a to b. I'm listening through budget Bluetooth ear buds so wonder if that makes any difference.
Pretty darn close overall. Helix seemed to just have a looser, slightly flubby bottom end if that makes sense. I find that to be the case with pretty much all of the helix amp models. It just does something mushy on the low end that sucks for low tuned metal chords. IR's help but still don't quite get it there for me. EDIT august 2023: I'm an idiot. While my statement is still generally true, it isn't to the extreme I thought it was. I was doing something wrong with my routing in Helix native which was causing the input to get slammed with too much signal (though it doesn't show overloaded. Short story: If HX Native is on a stereo bus, sending a mono signal to it panned center will "double" the input). I'm now getting perfectly usable tones that are mostly indistinguishable in a mix. Helix is perfectly fine and I'm a moron :D
I am wondering that nearly noone talks about the "roundness" of the real amp. this thing was really easy because the real amp has this full sounding eq curve. A lot of oomph, nice lower mids and great and warm high mids - this is the so called 3d character of a real tube amp you can't get of a plugin. the top end is really clear and always there - in your face. you literally can feel the attack of those transients. BUT nevertheless for a homestudio recording the Helix sounds great and by the way it is much cheaper, in particular if you know that you get a full bundle of amps and even great sounding effects. I use it for recordings and it does a great job!
I used for this video motu m4 with AudioTechnica m40x and I hear almost no difference between A and B. And if there is it's so small it doesn't change anything in mix.
To me they are almost indistinguishable. My guess is: A is real amp, B is amp sim. To my experience, simulation often sounds a little more pleasant, attack is rounder
B sounded a bit stiff and tighter which I find is a classic characteristic of the Helix, almost like it had a better gate on it. But you could do a whole album of swapping between A and B at any point and nobody would say a word. In a mix its too close to call a winner, let alone which one was real or modeled.
well, got it right, to my ears A sounded more clear and forward, and B was more dull I guess, but honestly somewhere after 3rd switch I lost the difference between them at all, that's weird and interesting at the same time lol
It’s an odd thing. The Helix sounds more neutral across the frequency range, with the real amp having more low end. But sometimes it’s completely opposite
Don't have my headphones on but on my phone speakers I literally cannot tell the difference between a/b. I don't usually watch your videos without headphones I know and trust.
I can't believe the one time I just throw out a guess I get it right. When I try to really dig in and give a thoughtful guess, I get it wrong every time. Lololol
In the mix, it was hard to hear much difference, but Amp B sounded less distinct in the mids and lows. When isolated, Amp A sounded a bit clearer and open. I guessed A was the Helix. 🤷
My guess is that "B" was the real amp. It sounded a little thicker than "A". And now to finish the video and find out if I'm wrong. Lol [EDIT] Well, at least I heard the differences in tone. I gotta say that in isolation, I like the bite and extra presence of the real amp. The Helix sounded a little muffled. But in the mix, I thought the Helix was the real amp. So close in a mix that it just comes down to personal preference. Maybe a different IR on the Helix could brighten it up to get even closer.
It's more than passable in a mix. Doing shootouts like this in a mix are almost pointless. There's a lot of other factors that contribute to the overall sonic profiles. However the isolated section is where you can tell the difference. And in that it's hard to match a digital signature with an analog one from mics, you did mention that but im just mentioning how it's much more identifiable in the solo clips.
I think B is the real. but they sound very simular. B have more attack transients. maybe a transient enhancer on A can fix that. but surprise how good the line 6 now sound
It's very interesting to see the differences between models and the real thing. A lot of us use amp Sims and tube amps so we enjoy these videos always.
I'm guessing the amp is A because it has a bit more liveliness but they both sound killer, not sur I would notice a difference in a not guitar emphasized mix Edit: It was actually way more obvious in the isolated tracks, the real amp sounds really better tbh
Sorry, but I think they sound like two different kinds of amp completely. Not even close. Completely different breakup speed, transient, tightness, gain structure, sagging and frequency response. It's like B was trying so hard to match the tone of A but failed.
So what do you guys think? It's definitely not bad imho but it was harder to dial the amp model in and a little frustrating since I couldn't get it as close as other times... Can't win them all I guess.
First notes: What an incredible circuit design by Peavey. Geez this thing is BRUTAL and so clear.
On the amp model: The real amp had a little more presence/sizzle. In the mix it was almost impossible to tell the difference because the cymbals cover that up. Isolated you could tell the difference but the model is very very good. This is THE amp in the helix for this sound, IMO.
Interesting. I noticed that amp A had a little bit high end clarity. Amp B was slightly squishy in the upper end. Still, close enough for Rock&Roll! Great job Jon!!!
Dude, in the mix the amps sounded almost identical to me, but then in the second half of the demo song I kinda picked up a slight difference and thought B was the VST. I genuinely liked both sounds.
You explained the sonic characteristics and differences pretty well. I haven't played many tube amps and I love using VSTs but they tend to lack some of those distinctive characteristics you mentioned about the Invective. Nice vid, man! U rock and the song was awesome, as usual!
I guessed wrong, because A sound is narrow and B is more detailed . Both pretty damn close
Thanks for this video
Excellent demonstration that speaks to how close they are in quality, but different, but not in a manner where I necessarily prefer one over the other as they perform well in the mix.
Close enough for rock and roll for sure! Great channel with a ton of great content, thanks for all the great stuff 🤘
Just dropping you a comment because I love the fact you just tell us what amp is what. You deserve the interaction just for doing us a solid. We should return the favor. I thought the Helix was "A". But love how close it go to the real deal. Love my helix! Enjoy the channel.
Haven't even watched the video yet but I've been waiting for your 3.5 vids since it dropped. Hope to see plenty more!
I was pretty satisfied with my own personal results. I ended up selling my invective 120 because of it :) cheers
It's all good!! You make music for common people, not for sound engineers, and common people couldn't bother less about this insignificant differences, if really there is any! Relax & Rock on!
Ok, this time is not appropriate to throw in my impedance curve joke. As always Jon, thank you for the awesome POSITVELY CHARGED super content. Cheers!😊
I like these types of comparisons. It shows that even the"old" amp modeler is still unbelievably good and not outdated or inaccurate.
It is ridiculous to argue about the differences.
It sounds good and that's the goal, right?
By the way... I thought B was the real thing.
Was finally right on one of these blind tests. The modeled amp always seems to have more presence even when set at similar levels as the original.
What a killer sound you did again 🤩
I completely overlooked this new amp at first, but the way you dialed it in is insane!!
I figured A was the amp, because it packed more of a punch
B was a bit more fizzy artifactory, so I thought that was the Helix
Was hoping I was wrong, since I do own a Helix 😂
The palm mutes are the biggest difference to me. The real amp has a bit of extra oompf and kick to it. But I like both tones, and couldn't pick which one was the real amp until I got to the isolated reveal section.
Hello. Did you connect the guitar directly to the Hiz input of the interface for the line 6 native audio included in this video? And if so, do you keep the interface gain level at zero, or do you add interface gain just right? before the clipping point without it occurring? I would also like to know, if possible, what interface you used. Thank you
Hey man. Long time listener, first time caller. You said you’re using the “high gain mic mix” in that IR pack. Is that exact what it’s called because I got the pack but I’m not seeing that specific file.
Please tell me what is ur all time favourite amp for metal ? I know it may change from week to week lol.. u rock, love ur channel btw 🤘👊🏼
This may be a good candidate for your next Tonex capture! 😉 ...I guessed right by the way, only listening on my phone. The upper mids and transients just seem a little dead on the Helix models. Still VERY close, but I would love to hear if Tonex can produce a closer result. After using Tonex, the only amp Sims I enjoy playing are the NeuralDSP ones as they seem to have more harmonic complexity, but even those sound a little two dimensional compared to a good Tonex capture in my opinion. Really enjoy your vids! 👍
I liked more B than A in the mix because of the high frequencies. So, I thought B was the real amp. When isolated, I heard lot of fizz in B respect to the mixed sound, and A had very nice resonances in mid high frequencies.
That shows the importance of testing amps in a mix.
Wow I was so wrong when it was in the mix - B seemed like the real amp
I guessed wrong)) Jon what do you think about new Helix cab section ?
I liked the VST for chugging. Ballsier in the lows, more growl. The Invective cuts better in the mix and gives less masking to the bass low-end territory. Nice to see Line 6 getting this close in modeling. Can't wait for their take on the 5150 III and the legendary preamps like JMP-1, Soldano X88R, ADA MP-1 and maybe some Red Seven or Mezzabarba.
the thing i noticed about the vitriol is that it's weirdly dull sounding, and the presence control doesn't fix it. adding a high shelf EQ around 5k and boosting the top end a bit between amp and cab opens it up a lot and gets it closer to the real thing.
Yep, in solo the difference is more obvious, but nonetheless it feels great to get it right! :D
That was a good listening lesson.
like you said, it seems to be an impedance curve thing and I only really notice the difference on the chugs.
I guessed wrong. I found the A was more punchy and compressed while B filled more of the spectrum and sounded "larger" for the lack of a better word. At the end of the video you told us you had the gate turned on on the real amp (afaik the sim doesn't have a gate at all), maybe that's why it sounded more punchy and precise? I had a hard time deciding which I liked more though, good job.
I liked B better. Good to see it was the Line 6
I think the influence of the Post Gain knob on the upper mids vs highs is underrated - it's definitely a tone shaping tool and not just a volume.
No idea. They both sound great.
B sounds more open and roomy, I'd pick that one. If that's Line6 that means I was wrong thinking B is the real amp. (edit: I was wrong, I thought B is the real deal... B is Line6... I'm sold).
Helix records extremely well but it lacks that in the room feel for jamming at home. My studio monitors sound good now that I got rid of all my guitar amps lol. I'm dying for the sound of a real cabinet but recording it is a pain compared to helix.
Isolated I could hear the switch, in the mix not really, I mean w/o the visual queue showing you switched in the mix I don't think it came through. Both sound great like always.
B sounds better ...to my ears (more depth and punch ), but they sound so close !!! Great demo as usual. Oh B was the Vitirol??? Amazing
I guessed that A was the real amp, but it wasn't even a tonal thing that led me to that. There's an ever-so-slightly wider stereo spread with the real amp compared to the Helix model. Likely due to the non-linearities of a tube amp, and it's mostly noticeable in the chugging sections. Both sound incredible though, regardless of the slight tonal differences! I don't expect everyone to hear such a subtle stereo difference though, as I'm in a treated room with calibrated monitors, hahah.
my favorite amp in 3.5
The Helix model was slightly more open in the top end than the Peavey. That's a trait that I actually thought would be the other way around. If you hadn't revealed that it was amp vs model it was so close that you'd never know it on a recording and as you said, 2 of these amps won't even sound the same. Good stuff.
I couldn’t say for sure which was the tube amp vs. the model. They both sounded similar…I felt amp B had a bit thinner upper mid range. Sounded a little fizzy but that kind of metal often does to me so it didn’t sound odd or out of place to my ears.
Amp A was a little more full sounding…I mean…I could see layering the two in a mix and it would probably sound pretty good.
Overall I feel I could use either and get desirable results. While I do enjoy this kind of music it’s not my bread and butter so which one would I use to define a signature sound for songs I write in that style? If I was going for a slicker metal sound I might go with B. If I wanted a more classic metal vibe, I’d probably go with A. I’m not as passionate about the style to commit to either one I suppose but those would be the two criteria I would use for deciding which to use if I was in a band that played that kind of music…are we going for slick production or more of vintage tinged metal sound. That’s my two cents. Great job on the demo. 👍
in th mix both sound awesome
Woah, I thought B was overall better sounding. A bit more tight in the low end :D
In the end this again shows that amps are more of a workflow tool for people who need to twist knobs and that vst plugins are more than fine to even use on commercial mixes :)
I was right the low end chug of the real amp was what caught my ear.
I got it correct. The AMP didn't have as much cutting high end but both were very close
Alright my guess is that A is the Amp and B is the Sim. Build on in the bass and also a little bit more warm for the A. B is Sharper and more tight, Seem to have this thing on the high end that seem to be mostly on Sim. I'll reply my reaction to the reveal! ahah
Love your videos by the way!
\m/¬ Hell yeah! I got it right! hihi
Kinda proud not gonna lie! ahahah
I am surprise that there is a big shift in the low end. The Line 6 seems to be a buildup in the lower frequencies (Isolated) and the Amp seemed more in the Low Mid. I didn't ear the Line 6 build up in the mix.
If that wasn't a comparison I would probably not ear much of a difference unless i pay special attention to it tho!
You are the best!
It's so close that swapping cabs would have more of an effect that using one or another.
Any chance of you doing a video of midi cc and pc commands with the invective 120, maybe with some boss products gx100 or es8
Sick comparison. I’d say the “tone” itself was very close but the Invective to me sounded a little more dynamic and “juicier”. Helix sounded dryer and more “stiff”. Both sound badass though and as a proud owner of a real 5150III, Helix floor and Axe FX III, appreciate it all. They all have their own use and all sound great.
Oooh this a tough one, I'll go with A being the Invective.
I thought it was B when it came to the mix. Even though I was wrong, it still worked well in the mix. Obviously, when you solo it, you can really hear the major differences. In the mix, it was a little harder to tell for me besides maybe the low end of the amp.
I guessed A was the amp and B was the model. A had more punch. Have you tried using a tonematching EQ to see if that closes the gap?
I have not but obviously that would make them sound closer. However since that's not a feature that's in the Helix in avoiding that and EQ in general
There's just that great high-end "hair" or presence that's missing on the Helix model. Shame because that's the nicest part of the sound.
Once again, in the mix, it was impossible to tell. In isolation, there is a subtle difference. The Invective had a little bit more articulation? It just seemed there was more detail, and the Helix was...less? I don't even know what knob you could turn to make up for that. That's why I love the naked back-to-back comparison. I just put on the headphones and look away from the monitor.
Spot on. I looked away in the comparison and could not tell in the mix
I thought Amp B was the real thing since I can pick up on those low end frequencies on the palm mutes. I found Helix generally has tightened low end on their models, but it wasn't the case here!
I have a question…when you set up the Helix to get it to match the sound of the Peavey, did you have to tweak the basic settings on the Helix until they sounded close or were you able to set the treble, mid, bass, gain, etc. on the Helix to the same values as the Peavey and get them to sound close? If the former…how vast was the difference in the setting values on the Helix vs your reference amp? It would be interesting to know. 🙂
…like, say you had the treble set to 5 on the Peavy, were you able to set the treble on the Helix to 5 and feel it was close or did you start out in 5 on the Helix and move to 5.5, 6, 6.5, 7, etc. how drastic were the basic settings from one another to achieve the end result? 🙂
With the same settings as in the actual amp I felt like it definitely wasn't close enough. You can see the actual settings in the video if that helps
@@SonicDriveStudio : Awesome…thank you. 🙂
Initially I thought B sounded better, but later determined it was close enough that if it weren't a blind test I wouldn't have noticed and I doubt anyone that is not a musician would notice. Now let's see which it is. Edit: Looks like I prefer the model. Not as bright, a little warmer. Just personal preference.
I closed my eyes and watched for a second time. I couldn't hear any difference whatsoever. I couldn't tell when you changed from a to b. I'm listening through budget Bluetooth ear buds so wonder if that makes any difference.
Pretty darn close overall. Helix seemed to just have a looser, slightly flubby bottom end if that makes sense.
I find that to be the case with pretty much all of the helix amp models. It just does something mushy on the low end that sucks for low tuned metal chords. IR's help but still don't quite get it there for me.
EDIT august 2023: I'm an idiot. While my statement is still generally true, it isn't to the extreme I thought it was. I was doing something wrong with my routing in Helix native which was causing the input to get slammed with too much signal (though it doesn't show overloaded. Short story: If HX Native is on a stereo bus, sending a mono signal to it panned center will "double" the input).
I'm now getting perfectly usable tones that are mostly indistinguishable in a mix. Helix is perfectly fine and I'm a moron :D
Hola! Disculpa, cuál es el IR de OH que tú utilizas?
I am wondering that nearly noone talks about the "roundness" of the real amp. this thing was really easy because the real amp has this full sounding eq curve. A lot of oomph, nice lower mids and great and warm high mids - this is the so called 3d character of a real tube amp you can't get of a plugin. the top end is really clear and always there - in your face. you literally can feel the attack of those transients. BUT nevertheless for a homestudio recording the Helix sounds great and by the way it is much cheaper, in particular if you know that you get a full bundle of amps and even great sounding effects. I use it for recordings and it does a great job!
Agreed
They are very close. I prefer A. So Im going to say A is the tube amp. Sick tones as always, Jon. Try out a precision drive with it sometime. 🤘
I used for this video motu m4 with AudioTechnica m40x and I hear almost no difference between A and B. And if there is it's so small it doesn't change anything in mix.
I have the invective mh with one jj high gain preamp tube with mud killer overdrive and it sounds mean.
I was right, B had a fake thump depth response in the bottom end that normal amps can't really get mic'd. Either that or I'm lying to myself lol
Both sound good, I believe A is the helix
My guess is B is the real amp. Something about the low end made me think it sounded like a tube amp.
To me they are almost indistinguishable. My guess is: A is real amp, B is amp sim. To my experience, simulation often sounds a little more pleasant, attack is rounder
Awesome peavey
B sounded a bit stiff and tighter which I find is a classic characteristic of the Helix, almost like it had a better gate on it. But you could do a whole album of swapping between A and B at any point and nobody would say a word. In a mix its too close to call a winner, let alone which one was real or modeled.
why this guy isnt 1mln subs?
well, got it right, to my ears A sounded more clear and forward, and B was more dull I guess, but honestly somewhere after 3rd switch I lost the difference between them at all, that's weird and interesting at the same time lol
A inches out but by very little. Both are really good.
B had less bass, guessed it was the Helix, pretty much what jumped out most at me!
It’s an odd thing. The Helix sounds more neutral across the frequency range, with the real amp having more low end. But sometimes it’s completely opposite
Can someone help me with amp settings for modern metal / metalcore live sound? Going with the Revv red or vitrol
Don't have my headphones on but on my phone speakers I literally cannot tell the difference between a/b. I don't usually watch your videos without headphones I know and trust.
Just for a guess a is real and b is native. No actual clue
I can't believe the one time I just throw out a guess I get it right. When I try to really dig in and give a thoughtful guess, I get it wrong every time. Lololol
The 5150 style circuits seems to be missing the frying bacon up top. The frequency just seems not to be there
In the mix, it was hard to hear much difference, but Amp B sounded less distinct in the mids and lows. When isolated, Amp A sounded a bit clearer and open. I guessed A was the Helix. 🤷
ok, wrong answer, 😁B was more opened sounding to my ears and I always associate 5150 or 6505 with fizzy high end so.
Dayum, I was definitely wrong lol 😂
My guess is that "B" was the real amp. It sounded a little thicker than "A". And now to finish the video and find out if I'm wrong. Lol
[EDIT] Well, at least I heard the differences in tone. I gotta say that in isolation, I like the bite and extra presence of the real amp. The Helix sounded a little muffled. But in the mix, I thought the Helix was the real amp. So close in a mix that it just comes down to personal preference. Maybe a different IR on the Helix could brighten it up to get even closer.
damn, very close. I like A more. Sits better in a mix sure to the tighter low end
invective sounds like it have the low and high knob at max
Ok the Real amp sound slight better but ever so slightly, but its $3,000.00 How much was the Vitriol ?
Over here it definitely costs way less than 3 grand tbh
I can't tell any difference. When I looked away and just listened without the visual prompts, I couldn't even tell when the amps were swapped.
And that is the point of these types of videos. Well done.
I knew it!
I guessed right, but it was pretty close.
It's more than passable in a mix. Doing shootouts like this in a mix are almost pointless. There's a lot of other factors that contribute to the overall sonic profiles. However the isolated section is where you can tell the difference. And in that it's hard to match a digital signature with an analog one from mics, you did mention that but im just mentioning how it's much more identifiable in the solo clips.
I think B is the real. but they sound very simular. B have more attack transients. maybe a transient enhancer on A can fix that. but surprise how good the line 6 now sound
Ha, I actually thought B sounded slightly better and assumed it was the real deal.
I want to say A is the real amp, there is an excitement, a crunch and fizz that it has that B does not.
Hearing them outside of the mix it was more evident the difference between the two.
Isolated there is a clear difference in attack. But in the mix it's a wash.
I couldn't hear the switching between a and b 🤷
What's the reason for you doing this?
It's fun? I do it all the time on the channel. I enjoy trying to make digital amp sims sound as close as possible.
It's very interesting to see the differences between models and the real thing. A lot of us use amp Sims and tube amps so we enjoy these videos always.
I honestly don't understand why you asked this question haha
I'm guessing the amp is A because it has a bit more liveliness but they both sound killer, not sur I would notice a difference in a not guitar emphasized mix
Edit: It was actually way more obvious in the isolated tracks, the real amp sounds really better tbh
In the Mix I thought b was the real amp cuz of the low end
Sorry, but I think they sound like two different kinds of amp completely. Not even close. Completely different breakup speed, transient, tightness, gain structure, sagging and frequency response. It's like B was trying so hard to match the tone of A but failed.
Ha! Joke's on me! I guessed B as the real amp, because the low end was bigger. I was wrong, apparently.
My guess is A - Helix.
Wow, I was so wrong. Helix model is darker