Line 6 Helix - Amp Models, From A Tube Amp Guy's Perspective
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I got a Helix on a hunch and now I’m a huge fan boy, even coming from Fractal stuff. I haven’t gotten the hang of the stock cab blocks, but just using quality IRs makes it so easy to get a good FOH sound. I just bring my Helix whenever I play at my church and having the quality of sound plus the convenience of my whole rig with a pedalboard being in the floor unit makes it one of my favorite pieces of gear I’ve ever gotten.
Your video makes me think just getting a Helix rack with a power amp too would be a dope setup for a physical amp/cab rig.
If you don’t use the internal cabs it rocks out, compared to stock fractal though it’s not even close the IR list is way more than line 6 models
@@AdamManley7 as is the price !
People who still bash Line 6 have NO clue what they're talking about, and are probably still holding on to the perception from the 90s about modelers. They've come a LONG way, and Line 6 has been at the forefront of it, with some others. Respect to Line 6, for sure. I honestly wish they'd bring us a modernized, newer, Spider Valve series. They're killer modelers & tube amps, especially for the price on the secondary market. Great vid again man!
Line 6 makes great stuff now.
I agree...I got the spider solid state combos(upgraded speakers)and Spider Valve . 🔥
@@Count_Apollyon5 yeah, the Spider Valve's were a great idea in the mid 2000s, and pushed the idea of hybrid tech with the tube preamp and poweramp, combined with the modeling tech from Line 6. An iteration given the advancements in technology would make for a nice release today.
@@SolarWarden88 Definitely. I think a hybrid - with a full tube power amp section and even a couple of preamp tubes - alongside the Helix modelling system would be phenomenal.
@@ordohereticus3427 For sure. There are some builders like Omega who offer something like that, but their modeling tech is nowhere near that of Line 6 or Fractal.
Since getting my Helix about 3 years ago I've stopped using my tube amps. I go back to them everyone once in a while but more for nostalgia than anything else. I'm always happy to return to my Helix. There was a bit of a learning curve with it but I have the hang of it now and it is awesome.
Agreed! I'm really digging it!
What does your setup looks like for rehearsals, jamming sessions etc? Can I send it to the return of my amp to run it through a cab?
@@RadsnRems yes you can do that…better still is 4 cable method then you can use either your amp or the amp models in the Helix with all effects. I just play at home and it’s perfect for that. I have a real block letter 5150 that I’ve had since 1994 and the 5150 model in the Helix is very close.
The Helix is awesome!
These kind of videos are super awesome. This kind of pedal gear is very valuable to us players that play little shows all the time or even jam nights in bars.
Keep rocking Kyle _ I like your style (or as the old people would say - the cut of your jib). .... I use both a modeler and a tube amp in my live rig & ditched all pedals. VERY liberating.
I picked up a few Line 6 amps and modelers in the last few years and I really enjoy messing and tweaking with all the different amp models through different cabs and speakers! They all sound great. However, when recording, it just doesn’t cut through and sometimes just sounds muddy through the mix. When using one of these rigs live it didn’t cut through very well all the time either.
But I wouldn’t get rid of my Line 6 gear it’s a lot of fun and it does sound great for practice and messing around.
Love that Balaguer! That's a sub from me :) I love my HX stomp too, one of the best units to add to the collection i've bought. Super useful tool.
Shocked one of my long time jam buddies who's a bit of tube purist type... (i love both) he came over once while i was playing up loud, it looked like i was playing my tube head as it was still on from previously, and he was like "wow man, you got that dialed! that sounded absolutely killer!"... should have seen his face when i turned it off and he realized it was the rockerverb model in the stomp the whole time haha. He's been slightly assimilated into the borg now, which is kind of nice.
You just showed me an application I've never tried. I usually run the Helix through my Invective as a giant effects pedal board, and utilize the midi commands to get all the parameters out of the amp. I also use the Helix via USB, to record straight to my DAW...but it never occurred to me to run it into the return of the loop..definitely a new (to me), concept. I will have to start trying that method out. Great vid bro!
four cable method is awesome with these things, you can combine using your amp and the helix amps, for if you want a different flavor for a certain section of a song, or to get a really great clean 'channel'
Recording apart, or direct-in, it is made for that purpose or using the 4 cables method (to use effects only). You should try 😉
Just got a Stomp XL. Agreed, very cool and better than I expected. Lot of fun to explore.
Thanks, Great Run Through. Awesome Job Kyle!!!
Using a Helix LT in 4 cable method with my Tubeamps - mostly as an effects unit - but sometimes also like you did here just to have another flavour for recording.. Best thing of all is that once connected in 4 cable method I can switch just by pressing the knob from a sole effects unit to modeller mode without changing any cable!
awesome video Kyle!
reading the post, i can tell the power amp its getting a lot work here, those tube are making helix sound really cool. this is the best way tu use this modelers.
Thanks man! Agreed!
Thank you so much for including me in to your description of gearheads. I would fall into the category of guys who have more gear than brain cells, and I don’t have really that much gear. Wait, what just happened.😂
Did the modeling thing bout 10 years ago, I loved the cleans and all the options it had, but after plugging back into my old school tube amps I knew there is just something in those tubes that makes it feel so Alive! Don't get me wrong these new modelers are bad ass and alot of guys use them successfully but I guess I'm a tube snob. Lol
I went from tubes to Helix with line 6 powercab. It sounds great and is consistent.
I love my helix. I use it with a powerstage 200 and a 2x12 cab.
Just finding your channel thanks to the Line6 FB group. Happy to have found it.
Awesome, glad to hear it! Thanks for being here, man!
In my band, we use 3 helixes and they handle everything we need for anything we could ever want in our live gigs, except pour me a beer (although the rack they live in does have a retractable cozy). Everything from midi patch changes, automating reverb swells for the vocal mics, to splitting the bass into a sub track and distortion track (like I would do while mixing a record), and we still feel like we are under-utilizing it lol.
I have a pod go which is a helix light-light, has been my best pandemic purchase by far.
Great videos dude.... took me years to realize how important rhythm and downpicking are.... hitting hard etc, dynamics I guess. Really like how you play thanks
Thanks my man!!
I had an early 2000s Line 6 Vetta II that I loved.
Hey Jason Bourne!!...J/K...Great stuff...Was a tube guy...Been us Helix for about 4 years now...Poor tube amps in the corner covered up...lol
Technology will always win eventually, whether cars or music gear. All of these modelers today offer great sounds and stunning versatility. Never bet against technology.
Great information thanks for sharing I need some help with my line 6 floor
I've got one that I run into my Mesa RA and I feel like I've got so many options. I can use the helix as an effects unit for the royal or I can use it like you do running it into the power amp of the mesa. Like you said, more options than most people could ever discover.
Exactly!
Yep I agree I run pod go and headrush 4cable method or thru power section of my Evh 5150 stealth both are killer such amazing versatility great time to be a guitar player cheers
modelers through tubes amps sound way better than on its own no doubt technology is progressing those units are great
Try the preamp Selection If going into the the return of your amp ... Big difference ..... Great video
Great video line 6 is awsome
It took a while to get used to not have the "amp in the room" feeling. Today I prefer the Helix over the tube amp. Helix gives me way too more options. Yes, maybe too much.. I hate the tweaking. However when I finally found "my tone", the endless tweaking kind of stopped and now I just can focus on playing. Just lovelovelove the device.
I'm a tube guy for sure but this is the future. Sounds freaking great and like you said there's things you can do that you can with real amps, at least with out mods. I'm also an amateur for 29 years now, should be way better but, I digress. I'm definitely going to pick up a Helix. I already run a HXFX with my 5150 Stealth and love it. Yamaha and Line 6 have knocked it outta the park. I almost want to wait for the Helix 2 but it is Christmas and I can have one here by mid-week.
So been talking to the guys at Fender and seems they cant answer my question. How do I route the HX since the footswitch is a din. Can you help ?
I love my HX Stomp it replaced a lot of pedals and helped me figure out what type of high gain amps I liked.
I need to grab one soon!
@@belligerentamateur they are great bang for the buck
Damn, that axe is still killer looking.
I hated HX at first years ago, but the recent models and more importantly, the recent update to higher oversampling is a whole new ball game.
I have been messing with the Helix for some time now and found the best way to run it is exactly what you are doing in this video...using tube power (return loop) and a real cabinet. The next best way (and more convenient) is to use the Seymour Duncan 170 solid state power amp into a real cabinet, its not as responsive as a real tube amp but its not bad, you have to use the EQ on the SD170 for more fine tuning. I am not a fan of powered FRFR speakers and dealing with IRs and Cab blocks, I have a Headrush 108 but prefer not to use it.
Fryette Powerstation with my Helix is a monster!
I run a wet/dry/wet setup using a Pod go.....the PG runs to a PRS mt15 on one side and a Katana mk11 on the other. I run a Marshall dsl100h dry in the middle. It's totally impractical for anything but my home use,but MY GOD IT CRUSHES!!!!!
haha! I could totally see that. All possible grounds covered!
Jamie, I run somewhat a similar setup. I use my Helix as the preamps (my main is the Revv Purple) but with the sim power as well in front of my JCM2000 DSL100 clean channel as my dry side. My other JCM2000 is in the shop so I am using a Katana MKll head as my wet side right now.. My dry is two 412 cabs and my wet is one 412.. I have been using this setup for 2 years now. Freaking love it..
Every amp in my setup is running through its own 4x12.....I suggest running the Double Take modulation for that 80s Van Halen tone....or adjust the slop for that Zakk Wylde " No More Tears" tone....it's freaking huge!
I tend to lean towards the "Placater Dirty" sim, which I'm pretty sure is the Friedman BE-OD.
@@jamieferguson3338 I have a couple of Placater Dirty I use as well. Been loving this setup.
Sounded killer dayumm
Can you do a head to head video to see if you can match the helix to one of the amps you own. Not just in sound but in feel.
Also maybe run the Helix models through the heads themselves and see if the models can sound similar/identical going through the real world power amp section.
Great review on this board.. I have a vetta 2 and it is really decent. Reliability is not good though but overall the tones are great once treble clipping is realized and is avoided. P.s. do a review on the the mooer 250 pedal board!!
It will sound even better if you use the preamp models of the amps so you can use the real presence and resonance knobs on your amp I def suggest ya try it!
Good video..Guys like fluff can use ANYTHING & his live rigs a line 6
I was so used to my Marshall Tube Head, that I ended up selling my Helix LT after a couple of months. The feeling and pleasure just wasn't there for me. Also wasn't blown away by the drive and chorus effects in combination with the Marshall.
Hey Kyle, so Im new to the modelers back in the day we used to just run the digitechs into the guitar jack so the question is,, are you running the helix through the loop of the Mezz to use only the power section ? And cant quit tell if the setting on the mezz are at 12 ? Thanks man you really help alot of us out here !
hey man, yes I'm running it into the effects return to utilize the power section of the Mezz. Settings on the Mezz or amp you're using as the power section will depend on your situation
Damn dude, you made this sound really good running through a tube power amp. I am all about tube amps and also own all the main modelers but doesn’t it get to the point where you look at your warehouse of tube amps and think “hmm, time for a fire sale??”. If so, I might want to buy some of those crappy old tube amps :)
Lol, not a chance! These modelers do sound really cool though!
I run my kemper through the return on a bugera 333xl,sounds great,helix,neural,and axe are all great products,one reason I chose kemper is ease of use.
Things don't get much easier to use than the Helix though !
@@88Nikoli dammit, now I want a helix too!lol
Line 6 really cornered the market with their UI on Helix. Look at Neural's quad cortex. It's virtually identical.
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It's fine for heavy or totally clean.
There's a lot of nuance in between.
When I first bought my helix floor a few years ago it was so bad imo, but I didn’t know how to tweak everything and I didn’t know about IR’s and stuff so like it was pretty meh tbh but once I got into some IR’s and built a solid preset or two I love this thing.
I may be one of them torn between the tube amp and the line 6 helix which I have both.
I don’t think it’ll ever replace my tube amps but I love the hx stomp for practice with headphones while my kids are asleep. Kyle what ampeg cab is that? Would love to see more videos on cabs, they’re such a big part of tone and it seems like there’s so few videos on them.
same here use my tube amps or HX stomp with ENGL lunchbox amp. Diezel VH Micro looks great as well.
I know I'm 2 years too late, but the Archetype modeling of the Archon is super nice. Both channels
Sounds pretty good. Were you using the pre-amp or amp models here?
Tha actual amp models! I'll revisit with some preamp comparisons!
Love running my Axe II & Ultra through the Duncan Powerstage 170 into an EVH 212 cab. I mean - forget carbon copying another amp, you can practically create your own versions of these amps. Build a monster modded JCM800 - throw in KT88s and what not. The only downside is, you get lost too far into all these experimentations and tweaking instead of playing. That's where I love having my amps, just plug in the guitar and let it rip!
Wonder how these are next to the Fractal Audio and Kemper.
I need to hear you play through the Rockerverb model in the Helix (if you borrow a real one that is). Please make a part 2
I need to do that for sure, as I've recently been playing my Rockerverb extensively!
Kyle, I think I've seen some comments below discussing using the preamp only on these models. In your opinion, can you get close to the sound of the original amp you are modeling even when using the power amp of the Mezzabarba? There's a ton of amps that I want, but I don't want to fill a room with them, so maybe the Helix is the way to satisfy that urge.
With Helix you have the option of using just the preamp model, the preamp model with power amp modeling and preamp, poweramp and cab.
I run mine in 4CM with a Koch Powertone II and a Cascadia JTM45 clone. I actually prefer using the preamp with poweramp models. Your taste may differ bit it sounds great to me.
Now I'm interested to hear what you think about the Line 6 spider valve hd100!
I've got the MKi line 6 (bogner) hd100 head. Fuck'n love it, best bang for the buck 🤘
I have a video filmed on the MKI, will probably post it within the next week or two
I went for the headrush gigboard over this and although l liked it, this sounds better..the headrush was much simpler to set up and get sounds of though.
Interesting! I have the gig board here at the moment, but have yet to try it!
So, do I get it right, that you use a preset without a cab sim? How..?
"More gear than brain cells" 😂😂😂
Archetype is the PRS archon. My personal favorite amp
Wasn’t certain if anyone mentioned that or you became aware of that
If there is one thing I have learned in over three decades of playing guitar it's that I'm too stupid for a rig like this. I can barely stand to use my bare bones pedal board. In fact, I don't even like using a reverb pedal with my amp. All I've ever wanted to do is plug into one basic amp with good tone and play.
But, I do get the appeal of having hundreds of good tone instantly accessible. Even if it's not my jam.
Man, I gotta say, first off, it’s good to see traditional metalheads like yourself still exist. The metal scene is missing people like us these days, but we gotta keep the tradition going.
Second, I think I need something like this and need to work around using it since tube amps are getting closer to their demise. If only a certain three-letter agency didn’t ban the domestic production of incandescent bulbs…
*cough cough -- TSA -- cough cough*
@@DrBRockstar2000 cough cough EPA cough cough
You should get your hands on a Fractal FM9, much more amp models and in the competitive price range of a helix
I just sold an FM3, but I'm sure I'll revisit it soon!
Its all about the power amp being used when it comes to Helix and Kemper.
another vid with max 360P res
I'm in New Jersey, if we lived a little closer I would come by with my Axe FX III and have you try that out. It's a friggin monster!
It's in 1080p now
@@belligerentamateur we've become spoiled with the quality of your vids. 😂
How is the Sound and feel/response when using a non-tube power amp like the Power Stage? Any difference?
Not sure, haven't tried yet!
Tube amp is the best to put these through by far. If you want to go class d for portability, make sure it's high quality like the ICEpower (as found in the powerstage and rumble bass amps).
Sorry if you addressed this in the video: didn’t have time to watch the entire thing. That said, I scrubbed through and noticed you were using the Amp models and not the Preamp models in the Helix. From my understanding if you are using an actual tube power amp + cab you should stick with the Preamp models otherwise you’re “coloring the sound” twice, so to speak, with two power amps. Maybe I’m wrong, but it definitely changes the sound when I toggle between the two with my HX Stomp and 2555x FX Return.
I really should have explored both, but only had so much time to work with in the video, and the Mezzabarba poweramp is extremely clean so I figured it would be a fair approximation. Not opposed to exploring it in the future with just the preamp sims
@@belligerentamateur Yeah in the application you are using it in, you definitely want to make sure any power amp modeling is disabled in the helix. it makes a huge difference.
@@pwrmac7600 either way, the point is to show the tone capabilities of the modeler running through the amp. If it sounds good, it sounds good. And to me, this sounded really good
@@belligerentamateur Yeah definitely, no doubt. Just saying, if you have an opportunity still to try it out with no power amp simulation on it, i recommend. I think you'll dig it even more.
@@pwrmac7600 You are actually describing the correct way to do it.
Hey Kyle I know this is an old video but I'm just wondering how much post processing you did to the majority of the tones we heard or if it was just the straight Di sound with effects from the helix?
none at all
@xbigdaddybx Hey, thank you so much for the quick response! Perfect!
You really need to adjust the global EQ settings, or use a parametric EQ pedal model in each rig to get the best out of these modelers.
Your name is Kyle? So is me!
2 months ago I sold both of my Victory amps and my entire gigantic, expensive pedalboard and bought a helix and power an 212. I have zero and I mean zero regrets. I love tube amps and pedals but I don't need them. Sort of has the same feeling of when I got rid of Facebook 😂😂.
LOL I could see that
Check out the mx5 headrush. It kills for the money (400usd).
Sold my Headrush after trying out the Helix
Hey, for some reason RUclips shows this video in 360p only, there’s no other option to choose, neither on my Xbox nor my phone. Because of this I could not read the logo on your guitar. What’s that one called?
Balaguer. I think this model is the "Espada."
Yes, it's the Balaguer Espada! Hopefully RUclips fixes the quality issue, this has happened a couple times recently. In a few hours it should show in 1080p
Thank you both!
The video is now showing in 1080p
2204 sounded like a boosted 2204 to me and lacked the stringy marshall 'kerrangg'. Perhaps this modeler starts to fall short when the amp gets less of a hi gain thing.
Agreed on the 2204 model
So, you have to run the Helix though a Tube amp to get the tones and sounds you covered here?
Through the effects return, yes.
@@belligerentamateur OK thanks! i just purchased a Helix LT and i have a cable running from the Helix LT Left mono 1/4 to a Boss Katana 100 mk2 power amp in. I'm new to all this modeling stuff so i cannot understand why one needs the modeler (Helix) if one needs the tube amp to make it sound like the tube amp? Btw, Great playing also!!!!
Save for a Fryette Powerstation to run with your Helix.. Monster tone sounds. Just badass.
The tube power section makes a huge difference with modelers. Fryette explains it pretty well but my experience tells me he is absolutely correct.
Im kinda new with amps and lingo. What is a tube power section?
@@curtmetallic188
I'll do what I can to help on this one.
Tube amps have a preamp section that makes most of your tonal flavors such as distortion and whatnot. The power amp then amplifies that kind of weak tonal signal into something with more loud potential once it gets pushed into a speaker. Power amps can and do impart some tonal characteristics onto the preamp signal which is sort of where you hear guys talking about headroom/breakup and the difference in tone between different sets of power tubes (EL34s/6L6s/KT88s or their smaller brethren in smaller amp heads).
In this Kyle Bull video I believe he said he is running his preamp stand-in, the Helix, into the effects return of his Mezzabarba amp, which bypasses the preamp section of the amp head and puts the signal straight into the power amp section of the head. There's more that could be said, but I'm getting sleepy. I hope I've given you some explanation that helps without making you search terms all night. If I have only complicated your life, I apologize. Also, if anyone can add information below my response to assist this fine human, I'd take that as a kindness. I've only been back in the guitar game for a year now and had no previous tube amp experience. It was just me, a Crate practice amp, the cheapest Ibanez around, and a Digitech RP200 for high speed operations back then.
@@JoelCSabo holy shit really!! I plugged my helix straight into the input of my peavy 5150 with everything clean as possible. But this makes so much more sense!
@@curtmetallic188 if it worked don't sweat. You'll probably get a more pure tone if you just plug into the return, though. Also might be loud af. Try with minimal guitar volume.
@@JoelCSabo i just wanna take this time to thank everyone with my issue. My helix sounds amazing though my 5150, out a mesa cab
How much mids ? Carnivore Kyle: Yes. CALI RECTIFIER BOOTY IS LIFE !
YAS
LOL - more gear than brain cells!!!!!
Sounds fuckin' awesome!
Does it sound the same and feels the same as the Pod Go?
Cheers from Portugal 🍺🤘🇵🇹
Yessir! The modeling is exactly the same between the two!
There is a rumor..... Helix 2.0 is on the way.
There's gonna be a spike in Line 6 Helix sales after people watch this video. 👍
LOL
Bro just tell us you're related to John Cena
Just can’t justify buying line 6 after my many awful experiences. Much rather go kemper. Literally free apps on my iPad with a cheap irig sound better than any line 6 I’ve used.
Sell out!
Okie dokie!
The line 6, Kemper, fractal, etc are like comparing an mp3 to vinyl. If you like a jar of bees sound enjoy it.. there's no weight no depth it's just flat and lifeless. 1s and 0s are just that....they are numbers and information not musical at all.
Sorry if i missed it, but what are the pickups?