8:50 the uprising mechanics are the precursor to the civil war state control and monarchist sentiment mechanics used in later DLC. The idea is that you infiltrate the states to various degrees and can do things like spawn units, disrupt industry, or even take control of the state. The enemy can attempt to counter your influence. The control shift or whatever you’ve managed to proc from your infiltration will fire at the end of the counter after starting the uprising. You didn’t take any infiltration decisions so it did nothing.
@@krzaminecraft Not only this but every time Ive attempted this, the AI manages to reduce my level of State Infiltration, FASTER than I can infiltrate them, so it always amounts to Sunk Cost.
@@krzaminecraft I had good luck flipping states from the RoC to Communist China in my last Mao run. The trick seems to be to concentrate in a few key spots to have them flip immediately or isolate and encircle other areas. The units are weak and the industrial disruption not worth it. But flipping 3 states and cutting off Beijing is worth it. I’m not sure if trying it against the Japanese is harder or worth it, given the space constraints at the bottleneck by Mongolia
the focus has neither a bypass nor a cancel if unavailable, but requires Manchukuo to exist. My theory is that Japan began it before it capitulated (because the focus doesn't check if Manchukuo is capitulated or not) and the focus wouldn't cancel automatically when it got puppetted and Manchukuo ceased to exist. A reasonable player can just cancel normally but the AI wasn't smart enough
>To try to actualize the stillborn mechanics - no. >Try to balance the old factions under the new addons - no. >To add unique branched focus trees with new mechanics to the minors for three provinces that are unlikely to survive even until the middle of 1936 - yes, yes, yeah!
Nice strat... tho if you have enough army XP in the early game you can create a cheap 1 battalion cavalry division then mass produce them to make it even faster.
Maybe licensed equipment should have a buff like production efficiency base. as the nation from whom you are getting it from can give you insight on how to produce is effectively already? Has to be balanced.
It's not an exploit, all of china is cored from the started by comunnist china and getting your cores in peace dell is very cheap. So it works as it should
@@maksmoskwa8516 i think peace conferences should have some sort of "satisfaction" mechanic if the other faction members dont agree with you getting the lion share they may threaten with leaving a faction or even going to war with you. Would work pretty well in this case as no sane Japan would simply let you take everything.
@@andrefasching1332 yeah you've got the point. Honestly I think the peace deal system in hoi4 is huge mess. And also paradox AI in conferences is trash
@@andrefasching1332 They kind of do. I played GX clique yesterday, flipped fascist, joined Japan's faction and took basically all of China. And then I thought I leave the faction and join Axis since in one of my previous games they signed the triparty pact or whatever and Germany joined the war between me and Japan. As soon as I left Japan starting justifying on me. And six month later I fell faster than the original China..
Seeing your video I immediately tried this. Got 10% war participation and got almost all of china but japan made a chinese puppet (meaning they got cores on the states and i couldnt challenge them with such small war score)
can you test the effectiveness of Carrier Close Air Support on Naval Invasions by putting an Aircraft Carrier equipped with Carrier Close Air Support planes on the Naval Invasion Support mission
the Marxist theory goes a little like this "there are social classes that act in their own interests, and through process of capital accumulation, society slowly progresses naturally from one stage to the next, during which the ruling class changes for example from feudalism to capitalism, ai from the aristocratic dominated society to bourgeoisie dominated society and the end goal of this process is communism, a classless stateless society but between capitalism and communism there's another stage - socialism, which no one can agree on what or how it should be, everyone just knows that it's between capitalism and communism" there was a huge debate between the 2nd and 3rd internationale about whether Russia can become socialist since it didn't have a particularly developed capitalism its society went from semifeudal straight to socialist and 2nd internationale said that it shouldn't be possible and that first it needs to develop a capitalist system, which is why 2nd internationale supported Mensheviks and SRs while Bolsheviks wanted socialism here and now so they made their own internationale - the 3rd internationale eventually Bolsheviks had to concede on some points with NEP but overall the debate was won by the Bolsheviks (since they did end up building a functional planned economy in the end, which is *a* socialism, without going through developed capitalism first) but China seems split on this issue going from a position close to 2nd internationale, to the position close to 3rd and back and that is the vital context you need to understand the market socialist focus in this game
While your right i think theirs two things to consider neither the PRC nor USSR were Socialist because the Workers didn't own the Mean of Production it was own by the State with everything organize not by experts but Party Officials who fudge the numbers to keep their jobs. So you have a State Capitalist Command Economy where everything is run for profit and industries are run by Ideology and suffer from Corruption it's no wonder the USSR failed and in the case of China they Embraced Free Market Capitalism under Deng Xiaoping and have remained so since, this after their own experience with State Capitalist Command Economy. So while i think it's fine for some industries to be run by the State namely public utilities like Energy, Rail, Airlines, Telecommunications, Housing and healthcare possibly public options in the Press and Banking but everything else should be Worker Cooperatives.
I can't imagine why dev team insists not to implement a rule "land you've taken in combat is land you're guaranteed straight up in a peace deal" It's just so obvious
You already get the factories during war, besides, you don't have to be the one to do the fighting to get territory. what if it's a combined war? what if a country comes in defense of another nation? so they get to keep all the territory that originally belonged to the invaded country? your proposal makes no sense
im so glad im not the only one who has no idea why paratroopers dont work. I'll have 100% air superiority and it does the same thing as it does in this video. they just sit around. Sometimes they fire instantly too and I nearly fall out of my chair lol
@@FeedbackGaming The cheaper cores was in the old peace conference too but this is just insane that you got ALL of it for doing less than 1/3 of the fighting and most of it was already occupied by Japan which never would've happened. Like it was already ridiculous before in how you can exploit the Japanese ai by puppeting one province and they just leave the rest of the country to you but this is just on another level
5800x3D here w/32gb ram and 3080ti. The insane cache amount on the CPU destroys almost every cpu on HOI, Stellaris and every other RTS game (as well as almost any game in general). NVME over SSD and especially HDD speeds loading things up dramatically too. If you currently have an AMD system (any x300, x400, x500 motherboard) the 5800x3D is a cheap and big upgrade that’ll last for years. If you need new motherboard too, the new 7800x3D and x600 series is even better and the way to go right now IMO w/ AM5 being new and future proof for years. Intels 13600 is decent bang for buck on sale, but current 13 gen is EOL with no upgradability. Their next gen sockets are expected to be announced mid summer if you prefer them and want to wait, or buy the others above when their prices get cut. 😊
So...i found that in that in a war that chinese united front won won communist china took all of nationalist territory. I haven't managed to replicate it yet while playing mao annoyingly (mainly because without la resistance italy rollsover africa qnd germany capitulates russia, so the sino-japanese war never ends as the usa never goes all out vs japan 🙄) so i don't know whether it's a standard bug or just a one-off. Also the infiltration mechanics are broken. It costs 500 guns plus 25pp for each level of infiltration, but 500 guns plus 25pp clears 2 levels of infiltration. And you can only do 1 province at a time. The only time you can build up levels is when that side's having its arse kicked, but as soon as the tide turns the infiltrator loses rverything they've built up super quick (no I'm not bitter about 5 in game years wated, you're bitter... 🙄) basically the mechanic as it stands is a huge waste of time.
Glad I'm not the only one who doesn't get how things work in this game. For the longest time I couldn't figure out how amphibious invasions worked. *NOTHING* in this game is explained. All I want is an explanatory tooltip when I mouse over. Why can they not do this?
I always struggle (see whut I did thur?) to take socialist market economy without throwing up in my mouth a little. I hate letting Deng Xiaoping out of his crate.
I have saved Communist China save 1945 I lost like combained 110k losses against Chinas 3mil but the wars where separated cuz leadership of China was changed couple of times idk beetwen Clieqe and China it was Non Historical, Would You like to see it and comment on it, I have a bit less then 700h. 3 Strikes in a row is a fucked up thing I didnt had any but the game is like that unfortunately.
As much as i play china thats a new play sinkiang first huh checking the dates it is actually slower. Didnt even take tibet before 37 kind lf disappointed
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Glad to hear it!
@@FeedbackGaming as a
professional paratrooper user, build transport planes 50 per division
@@randombonapartist I thought I was the only one that actually uses paratroopers on a consistant basis
@@FeedbackGaming kiss yourself. Whooped I forgot the two lls
@@fish29I do use them on france great strategy to use them on soviets too maybe netherlands if you play as british malaya and went fascist
8:50 the uprising mechanics are the precursor to the civil war state control and monarchist sentiment mechanics used in later DLC. The idea is that you infiltrate the states to various degrees and can do things like spawn units, disrupt industry, or even take control of the state. The enemy can attempt to counter your influence. The control shift or whatever you’ve managed to proc from your infiltration will fire at the end of the counter after starting the uprising. You didn’t take any infiltration decisions so it did nothing.
the uprisings are really weak though and the units it gives you are few and not very good. its not worth dumping tons of equipment into to be honest
@@krzaminecraft Not only this but every time Ive attempted this, the AI manages to reduce my level of State Infiltration, FASTER than I can infiltrate them, so it always amounts to Sunk Cost.
@@krzaminecraft I had good luck flipping states from the RoC to Communist China in my last Mao run. The trick seems to be to concentrate in a few key spots to have them flip immediately or isolate and encircle other areas.
The units are weak and the industrial disruption not worth it. But flipping 3 states and cutting off Beijing is worth it.
I’m not sure if trying it against the Japanese is harder or worth it, given the space constraints at the bottleneck by Mongolia
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Bro who let the grand council of facism cook😭
@@juanon_industries7256 Fr, duce got deposed day 1
Japan started doing manchurian project after getting puppeted💀 like what are they gonna do on that project
its be funny if it gave china the factories.
the focus has neither a bypass nor a cancel if unavailable, but requires Manchukuo to exist. My theory is that Japan began it before it capitulated (because the focus doesn't check if Manchukuo is capitulated or not) and the focus wouldn't cancel automatically when it got puppetted and Manchukuo ceased to exist. A reasonable player can just cancel normally but the AI wasn't smart enough
>To try to actualize the stillborn mechanics - no.
>Try to balance the old factions under the new addons - no.
>To add unique branched focus trees with new mechanics to the minors for three provinces that are unlikely to survive even until the middle of 1936 - yes, yes, yeah!
hoi4 devs suck but the warlords don't get unique focus trees, they all share a "generic" warlord focus tree that later becomes the roc/cpc tree
That looked surprisingly easy
Nice strat... tho if you have enough army XP in the early game you can create a cheap 1 battalion cavalry division then mass produce them to make it even faster.
I used to do that. I usually only use cav with the Ma however.
Maybe licensed equipment should have a buff like production efficiency base. as the nation from whom you are getting it from can give you insight on how to produce is effectively already? Has to be balanced.
Dave always finding op exploits
What was the exploit
It's not an exploit, all of china is cored from the started by comunnist china and getting your cores in peace dell is very cheap. So it works as it should
@@maksmoskwa8516 i think peace conferences should have some sort of "satisfaction" mechanic
if the other faction members dont agree with you getting the lion share they may threaten with leaving a faction or even going to war with you.
Would work pretty well in this case as no sane Japan would simply let you take everything.
@@andrefasching1332 yeah you've got the point.
Honestly I think the peace deal system in hoi4 is huge mess.
And also paradox AI in conferences is trash
@@andrefasching1332 They kind of do. I played GX clique yesterday, flipped fascist, joined Japan's faction and took basically all of China. And then I thought I leave the faction and join Axis since in one of my previous games they signed the triparty pact or whatever and Germany joined the war between me and Japan. As soon as I left Japan starting justifying on me. And six month later I fell faster than the original China..
Lmao I wanted to ask Re-upload? Then I remembered I'm a Member lmao
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Seeing your video I immediately tried this. Got 10% war participation and got almost all of china but japan made a chinese puppet (meaning they got cores on the states and i couldnt challenge them with such small war score)
Yeah, I'd like to see how reliable this method is.
can you test the effectiveness of Carrier Close Air Support on Naval Invasions by putting an Aircraft Carrier equipped with Carrier Close Air Support planes on the Naval Invasion Support mission
Great for naval invasion support. Terrible for naval attacks. Tested 2 years ago
Based. Seen rental prices at the moment? Leeches.
I saw that the channel guidelines say that questions are welcome, so I have one.
What is your opinion on the Shipping crisis on India's economy?
Not good
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10:03 using the discord alert sound... I went looking for a DM 😠
Got me too
the Marxist theory goes a little like this
"there are social classes that act in their own interests, and through process of capital accumulation, society slowly progresses naturally from one stage to the next, during which the ruling class changes
for example from feudalism to capitalism, ai from the aristocratic dominated society to bourgeoisie dominated society
and the end goal of this process is communism, a classless stateless society
but between capitalism and communism there's another stage - socialism, which no one can agree on what or how it should be, everyone just knows that it's between capitalism and communism"
there was a huge debate between the 2nd and 3rd internationale about whether Russia can become socialist since it didn't have a particularly developed capitalism
its society went from semifeudal straight to socialist and 2nd internationale said that it shouldn't be possible and that first it needs to develop a capitalist system, which is why 2nd internationale supported Mensheviks and SRs
while Bolsheviks wanted socialism here and now so they made their own internationale - the 3rd internationale
eventually Bolsheviks had to concede on some points with NEP but overall the debate was won by the Bolsheviks (since they did end up building a functional planned economy in the end, which is *a* socialism, without going through developed capitalism first)
but China seems split on this issue going from a position close to 2nd internationale, to the position close to 3rd and back
and that is the vital context you need to understand the market socialist focus in this game
While your right i think theirs two things to consider neither the PRC nor USSR were Socialist because the Workers didn't own the Mean of Production it was own by the State with everything organize not by experts but Party Officials who fudge the numbers to keep their jobs. So you have a State Capitalist Command Economy where everything is run for profit and industries are run by Ideology and suffer from Corruption it's no wonder the USSR failed and in the case of China they Embraced Free Market Capitalism under Deng Xiaoping and have remained so since, this after their own experience with State Capitalist Command Economy. So while i think it's fine for some industries to be run by the State namely public utilities like Energy, Rail, Airlines, Telecommunications, Housing and healthcare possibly public options in the Press and Banking but everything else should be Worker Cooperatives.
If you declare on warlords after doing first mao focus he doesnt loeses his op trait
It doesn't work
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nicely done and you had me cracking 😂.
PRC is my go-to run when I just want to play for fun.
oh goddammit, i knew it was only a matter of time before someone more popular finds this out and exposes it
hope PDX is slow to patch this one
I hope they fix border wars, its impossible win
"its not a bug, its a feature"
I can't imagine why dev team insists not to implement a rule "land you've taken in combat is land you're guaranteed straight up in a peace deal"
It's just so obvious
What if your trying to get land you have 95% war score but since a country got to that land first you can’t have it, it would be so much more annoying
You already get the factories during war, besides, you don't have to be the one to do the fighting to get territory. what if it's a combined war? what if a country comes in defense of another nation? so they get to keep all the territory that originally belonged to the invaded country? your proposal makes no sense
Communist China and exploitation - name a more iconic duo!
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Tf2 has Delfy, Hoi4 has Dave
why nobody plays the basic big China?
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Play more of this game
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i hope daddy mao comes back with the juche necromancy and liberates me from my evil l(eech)andlord
i also don't understand how paratroopers work.
Hm, quiet frankly, China.
im so glad im not the only one who has no idea why paratroopers dont work. I'll have 100% air superiority and it does the same thing as it does in this video. they just sit around. Sometimes they fire instantly too and I nearly fall out of my chair lol
Weird RUclips recommended but good video
Hoi4 is a dev oversight.
Japan doing manchurian project in The end?
Dave, have you been watching my games somehow lol!
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Thanks for sharing the exploits!
No problem!
Wazzup Beijing
I think you should change "find" to "found" in the title.
How do you get nothing with 70% contribution? Yeah the new peace conference is definitely broken
Cores give you a massive discount
@@FeedbackGaming The cheaper cores was in the old peace conference too but this is just insane that you got ALL of it for doing less than 1/3 of the fighting and most of it was already occupied by Japan which never would've happened. Like it was already ridiculous before in how you can exploit the Japanese ai by puppeting one province and they just leave the rest of the country to you but this is just on another level
Marshall Lmao is the guy!
Its 4:28 and in watching this😅
+10000 Social credit
6:55 So... BRICS?
I got that achivement with no dlcs and a game that lasted after 47, would not recomend
What are feedbacks pc specs? I was wondering because I also want to play pdx games fast.
I think he has a 9900k and I recommend getting something over 5ghz because I have the R7 7700x and it runs hoi4 amazingly
5800x3D here w/32gb ram and 3080ti. The insane cache amount on the CPU destroys almost every cpu on HOI, Stellaris and every other RTS game (as well as almost any game in general). NVME over SSD and especially HDD speeds loading things up dramatically too.
If you currently have an AMD system (any x300, x400, x500 motherboard) the 5800x3D is a cheap and big upgrade that’ll last for years. If you need new motherboard too, the new 7800x3D and x600 series is even better and the way to go right now IMO w/ AM5 being new and future proof for years. Intels 13600 is decent bang for buck on sale, but current 13 gen is EOL with no upgradability. Their next gen sockets are expected to be announced mid summer if you prefer them and want to wait, or buy the others above when their prices get cut. 😊
Wonder if there's a way to do something like this with Manchukuo. Just got steamrolled by Japan twice after starting the independence war..
its way better if you manually justify on your neighbor, they have way less troops that way
Mixed results but fair
In your guides can you please go step by step like showing template and each focus you take pleasr
70 day focus to rename your nation....
So...i found that in that in a war that chinese united front won won communist china took all of nationalist territory. I haven't managed to replicate it yet while playing mao annoyingly (mainly because without la resistance italy rollsover africa qnd germany capitulates russia, so the sino-japanese war never ends as the usa never goes all out vs japan 🙄) so i don't know whether it's a standard bug or just a one-off.
Also the infiltration mechanics are broken. It costs 500 guns plus 25pp for each level of infiltration, but 500 guns plus 25pp clears 2 levels of infiltration. And you can only do 1 province at a time. The only time you can build up levels is when that side's having its arse kicked, but as soon as the tide turns the infiltrator loses rverything they've built up super quick (no I'm not bitter about 5 in game years wated, you're bitter... 🙄) basically the mechanic as it stands is a huge waste of time.
Glad I'm not the only one who doesn't get how things work in this game. For the longest time I couldn't figure out how amphibious invasions worked. *NOTHING* in this game is explained. All I want is an explanatory tooltip when I mouse over. Why can they not do this?
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First! But excited
did something change with the chanhi shek path? last i recalled that worked much better then the mao path.
I always struggle (see whut I did thur?) to take socialist market economy without throwing up in my mouth a little. I hate letting Deng Xiaoping out of his crate.
Nice 👍
MAO VICTORIOUS
seeing people completely butcher chinese names due to Postal Romanization will always be hilarious to me
How can your generals hold 75? Please reply I'm new
Garrison order
@@FeedbackGaming ty
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Glorious mao has lead us to victory 🇨🇳
Lore of I Accidentally FOUND The BIGGEST Exploit Yet... Momentum 100
i feel like i got trolled. where is the exploit?
what's the exploit?
I am guesing the peacedeal stuff with China.
I don't think it's an exploit, you might get states cheaper due to them being cores.
Lmao, that's great
Ahhh yess more exploit
You got +69 social credit score 👍
templates?
new peace system is so bad... it cant continue
interesting
I've finnished this achievment yesterday
same
+100 social credit
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Social Credit score 15000
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Error exploit not found (404)
Very nice
awesome
wazzup beijing
Ok but what about the Social Democratic path
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I have saved Communist China save 1945 I lost like combained 110k losses against Chinas 3mil but the wars where separated cuz leadership of China was changed couple of times idk beetwen Clieqe and China it was Non Historical, Would You like to see it and comment on it, I have a bit less then 700h. 3 Strikes in a row is a fucked up thing I didnt had any but the game is like that unfortunately.
No YOU did NOT...
As much as i play china thats a new play sinkiang first huh checking the dates it is actually slower. Didnt even take tibet before 37 kind lf disappointed