11) Plato's "Phaedo," part I
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This session is the first part of our discussion of Plat's "Phaedo," the dialogue that portrays the death of Socrates. The nature of the soul and its putative immortality is discussed, and we get a first pass at Plato's "Theory of Forms." 
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These lectures were what specifically motivated me to study philosophy more deeply on my own. When I got to the section on Socrates in Russell's History of Western Philosophy He talked about Socrates randomly standing or sitting in place for hours at a time. I'm confident enough to bet all my money that Socrates had Geschwind syndrome.
Thank you for the excellent lectures which make these Platonic dialogues come alive. Sadly in many of the lectures the writing on the board cannot be seen as the black pens used are too light to be read. I may be the lighting being too bright? Or pens not dark enough ?
Are the course notes and reading lists available?
Thanks for sharing. I will have to watch this entire playlist for few months in loop. I really owe you some coffee, hopefully I will get to meet you one day. :)
All the classes are great, but this one was awesome!
Thank you!
I feel like there should be more mouth trumpet intros to all lectures :)
My philosophy teacher is terrible!!! These lecturers helped me so much Thank you for saving my grade & gpa 😭🙌🏽
Mine too -.-
Of native Athenians who were present, there were, besides the Apollodorus I just mentioned, Critobulus and his father Crito; Hermogenes; Epigenes; Aeschines; and Antisthenes; also present was Ctesippus of the deme of Paiania; Menexenus; and some other native Athenians. As for Plato, I think he was not feeling up to it [= he was feeling weak, a-stheneîn].
Why would Plato write himself out of the scene then be the one who authors what happened there in Phaedo?
I think it's because Plato never actually wrote the dialogues, he recorded them, like how Euclid describes he did it in the Theaetetus
Euc. He wanted to get home: although I entreated and advised him to remain he would not listen to me; so I set him on his way, and turned back, and then I remembered what Socrates had said of him, and thought how remarkably this, like all his predictions, had been fulfilled. I believe that he had seen him a little before his own death, when Theaetetus was a youth, and he had a memorable conversation with him, which he repeated to me when I came to Athens; he was full of admiration of his genius, and said that he would most certainly be a great man, if he lived.
Terp. The prophecy has certainly been fulfilled; but what was the conversation? can you tell me?
Euc. No, indeed, not offhand; but I took notes of it as soon as I got home; these I filled up from memory, writing them out at leisure; and whenever I went to Athens, I asked Socrates about any point which I had forgotten, and on my return I made corrections; thus I have nearly the whole conversation written down.
Terp. I remember-you told me; and I have always been intending to ask you to show me the writing, but have put off doing so; and now, why should we not read it through?-having just come from the country, I should greatly like to rest.
Euc. I too shall be very glad of a rest, for I went with Theaetetus as far as Erineum. Let us go in, then, and, while we are reposing, the servant shall read to us.
Terp. Very good.
Euc. Here is the roll, Terpsion; I may observe that I have introduced Socrates, not as narrating to me, but as actually conversing with the persons whom he mentioned-these were, Theodorus the geometrician (of Cyrene), and Theaetetus. I have omitted, for the sake of convenience, the interlocutory words "I said," "I remarked," which he used when he spoke of himself, and again, "he agreed," or "disagreed," in the answer, lest the repetition of them should be troublesome.
Terp. Quite right, Euclid.
Euc. And now, boy, you may take the roll and read.
Euclid's servant reads.
I believe Socrates disciples had a bank of his conversations in Magara after they left Athens when Socrates was executed. That's why some of Socrates conversations are mundane, like the ones in Xenophone. Euclid too had six dialogues attributed to him that were lost.
Also Plato basically states in the 7th letter that he would never write any treaty to be learned from, rather its best to learn in front of a real teacher.
Im getting the creeps from this lecture... Always when we talk about the mind - in reality, there is something so uncanny about the idea!!
Without freedom we have NOTHING.