This RTS CV mechanic promoted teamwork, using overlapping AA networks, your allied CV's fighters, and AA cruisers to defend against the overwhelming power of the enemy CV. Strikes like this where certainly possibly, but if you'd suffered a strike like this it meant you fucked up in some fashion. Meanwhilst today's CVs deal not significantly lower damage numbers in similar timeframes (measuring time between strikes), whilst AAA has become impotent, CAP extremely limited, and defanging a far more easy to mitigate mechanic.
Btw the old CV's still had lower dmg outputs then current ones :D. DMG charts are topped by new tier 10's and super cv's. I agree with that you wrote otherwise. They just had to lower dmg on planes by 30% or so and CV's wouldnt be half as dangerous with working AA in old times etc.
@@ericli9103 what shima? nobody wrote anything about shima, but still dd's could have used cruisers AA at that time quite easy (as they just smoked them up, or used islands)
I think they should've made just a few changes to RTS CVs and they wouldve been fine, like adding plane health instead of their health being binary was one thing I thought they should've added to RTS and its in the current version but the unlimited planes kinda makes it pointless imo
just imagine, the resource management of rts cv. there are so many noob Cv captain, send all their planes early and quit in 10min because they are out of plane, this is why better balancing than the now CV. old CV promote team work gaemplay, ew cv promote passive gameplay, it is not rare to see today cv game where the planes took more hp than 2-3 BB hps combined.
RTS carrier play was only a good balance pass away from being a great class. Having the ability to actively counter-play the enemy CV by using your controllable fighters to screen critical ships, stop strikes and ultimately deplane your enemy is a feature that I sorely miss.
That BB never stood a chance alone in the first place. Just like in real life. This is why I was so mad when I got the Laptop/PC version because I can't launch the entire Kido Butai air strike
The good old days. When CV was CV. When full aa build ships denied CV when good players cancel each other. RTS CV was best. And then WG become greedy. They only reason rework was made wasn't because players ask for that. The really reason was that they wanted CVs in consoles and RTS do not work with joystick. That's why CVs were butchered
I think the best way to sum it up was that back then it felt more fair fighting a CV, notice how the BB was all alone of a flank with no one to support him? One CA there and you would be lucky to get a third of those torps in the water.
What is usually lost in the videos of these 'epic strikes', is that the opposing CV player is making mistakes and/or is less skilled, allowing this to happen
I remember the day when I learned the value of AA.. It was my first time in the Aoba, I lost all faith in the Japanese cruiser line.. Furutaka was a pain to get through.. Then it happened a squad from an RTS carrier tried to attack our teams CV, and My Aoba's AA lit up the planes taking them all out.. Sure, we lost the game eventually, but I learned some of the additional uses of the Aoba.. I grew to love CVs too, about a month or two before that stupid rework hit, lost my U.S.S. Bogue and had my Langley progress reset.. Today CVs are a joke in this game... If anyone were to tell me they are OP, I would say,"You Don't know the true power of the CV and you never will..Get good scrub.." I no longer follow, idiots who whine about how Op a CV of today is.. CVs of today can only spot, and harass the occasional BB.. Back in the day CVs commanded respect.. That was an era to be remembered, when wargaming absolutely nailed what it would be like to command a CV, it was almost like a simulation.. Cruisers back then, were important also.. Players learned to work as a team.. Too many DD drama queens, in PVP.. I will never hate the CV, whether I am the target, or not.. In fact, I don't hate any ship in this game, or the players who play these ships.. I only hate the whiners who want there to be less game to play..
I loved the carrier in this game. RTS with random objetcs effecting the battle sigmificantly that are the players who're yet not playing RTS? That was a speciality found nowhere else. And then the rEwORk came, and I left
yeah, I always felt that the base WoWS gameplay combined with RTS CV was a unique selling point for WoWS. It made the game very interesting. Too bad that monetization flexibility and console accessibility considerations made them get rid of it
You know to be fair if RTS had as much HE spamming as we do today the AA back then would have been worthless as well, it would just have a better excuse. The amount of of micro management CVs needed though to just pull their weight, I'm not even talking about affecting the match just not being a burden on your team was insane to anyone but the committed RTS player. Still trying to figure out how WG thought that players who could make RTS work would be overwhelmed with a smaller workload in the rework.
indeed that was the best cv playstyle , still miss it 2 this day. cause your could actually play smart , outplay the other cv with fighters , spot properly for your team and strike where u were needed.not this gimicky spam squad after squad!
Had a ton of fun pairing my carrier, usually Kaga, with my buddy in an AA cruiser like Atlanta, depleting a few waves worth of the enemy carriers planes who came to snipe me. and then using that near total air superiority to kill him and a number of others. I really miss it, you had to think about what you were doing. Which is funny because according to Jingles WG thinks carrier players are too stupid to manage what they are given.
Unfortunately, no. This 'RTS CV' mechanic was removed in the so called 'CV rework' in update v0.8.0 in early 2019. It got replaced by a simpler way of playing aircraft carriers.
@@guntherultraboltnovacrunch5248 But RTS still use more brain than now and more rewarding because you need to know what the hell you are doing. Also AA actually works so that is another +1 for RTS.
I was lured to WoWs by youtube videos of RTS CV gameplay - only to find out that the cool map view was replaced by plane view. I still found fun with destroyers and later cruisers for happy few years ...until Subs arrived. CV + Sub teamp playing on my part of map equals frustrating experience and a rage quit. After year or so of nostalgic reinstall/rage uninstall I finally gave up when they announced hybrid BBs.
This shows perfectly how frustrating CVs used to be. Imagine being that Friedrich der Große and getting killed by a single cv strike. That's just not fun.
Bro you have no idea how hard it could be to set up a strike like this, and the guy you hit had to royally fuck up to put himself in a position like that. Carrier RTS gameplay was fucking HARD. A single cruiser with even the tiniest amount of battlefield awareness could shut down a carrier player hard, and if the enemy team stayed even a little condensed you'd pay a steep price to make a strike against it, and that was way more painful back then when you had limited numbers of aircraft.
@@chunkblaster Please you could cross torps destroyers and they had no way to evade. Ok it was harder to play Carrier RTS, but when you mastered it you were way too much powerful. And if you were bad then your team was even more screwed vs a good Carrier player.
@@kalh5158 bro a perfectly timed manual cross drop was THE HARDEST maneuver to master, and if you got caught in it you made about 6 other mistakes first. Carriers weren't perfect by anymeans but look at the alternative: the new carriers are even more annoying to deal with as they have infinite aircraft, can attack the same ship numerous times in one go and have no hard counter including the enemy carrier. How is that a positive change
Better die right away and go to the next game which was guaranteed to be CV-free (because no one was playing them) than to waist 20 mins of your life trying to "just dodge". A thousand times better. CVs eradicated naval warfare in real life and now they did the same in game.
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This is the time when you feel like a captain of your ship, Rather than a pilot.
CV player back then was the lord of WoWS ,not just a captain
@@user-yc2pk5iy7e a proper admiral of a grand fleet that what CVs made you feel like
@user-yc2pk5iy7e Yeah like it should be
This RTS CV mechanic promoted teamwork, using overlapping AA networks, your allied CV's fighters, and AA cruisers to defend against the overwhelming power of the enemy CV. Strikes like this where certainly possibly, but if you'd suffered a strike like this it meant you fucked up in some fashion. Meanwhilst today's CVs deal not significantly lower damage numbers in similar timeframes (measuring time between strikes), whilst AAA has become impotent, CAP extremely limited, and defanging a far more easy to mitigate mechanic.
Btw the old CV's still had lower dmg outputs then current ones :D. DMG charts are topped by new tier 10's and super cv's. I agree with that you wrote otherwise. They just had to lower dmg on planes by 30% or so and CV's wouldnt be half as dangerous with working AA in old times etc.
How Shima join the 'overlapping AA' ? Dont forget that radar can share enemy's position immediately in that time
@@ericli9103 what shima? nobody wrote anything about shima, but still dd's could have used cruisers AA at that time quite easy (as they just smoked them up, or used islands)
@@ericli9103 there were AA destroyers in game too, before they completely obliterated the value they had with stupid nerfs to their AA power.
Damn I miss old rts cvs..and those ap bombs on the Midway oh god..
1 shot a GK several times :p
I think they should've made just a few changes to RTS CVs and they wouldve been fine, like adding plane health instead of their health being binary was one thing I thought they should've added to RTS and its in the current version but the unlimited planes kinda makes it pointless imo
just imagine, the resource management of rts cv. there are so many noob Cv captain, send all their planes early and quit in 10min because they are out of plane, this is why better balancing than the now CV. old CV promote team work gaemplay, ew cv promote passive gameplay, it is not rare to see today cv game where the planes took more hp than 2-3 BB hps combined.
RTS carrier play was only a good balance pass away from being a great class. Having the ability to actively counter-play the enemy CV by using your controllable fighters to screen critical ships, stop strikes and ultimately deplane your enemy is a feature that I sorely miss.
I miss the old times....
Still better than the new CVs.
I miss old carriers...
That BB never stood a chance alone in the first place. Just like in real life. This is why I was so mad when I got the Laptop/PC version because I can't launch the entire Kido Butai air strike
The good old days. When CV was CV. When full aa build ships denied CV when good players cancel each other. RTS CV was best. And then WG become greedy. They only reason rework was made wasn't because players ask for that. The really reason was that they wanted CVs in consoles and RTS do not work with joystick. That's why CVs were butchered
Not the first time pc games have been dumbed down because of consoles.
In that case I don't know why they didn't make a different game for it, which they did with Legends. So the changes then and now are kinda pointless.
This makes no sense really
I so much miss them.
I think the best way to sum it up was that back then it felt more fair fighting a CV, notice how the BB was all alone of a flank with no one to support him? One CA there and you would be lucky to get a third of those torps in the water.
What is usually lost in the videos of these 'epic strikes', is that the opposing CV player is making mistakes and/or is less skilled, allowing this to happen
I remember the day when I learned the value of AA.. It was my first time in the Aoba, I lost all faith in the Japanese cruiser line.. Furutaka was a pain to get through.. Then it happened a squad from an RTS carrier tried to attack our teams CV, and My Aoba's AA lit up the planes taking them all out.. Sure, we lost the game eventually, but I learned some of the additional uses of the Aoba..
I grew to love CVs too, about a month or two before that stupid rework hit, lost my U.S.S. Bogue and had my Langley progress reset.. Today CVs are a joke in this game... If anyone were to tell me they are OP, I would say,"You Don't know the true power of the CV and you never will..Get good scrub.." I no longer follow, idiots who whine about how Op a CV of today is.. CVs of today can only spot, and harass the occasional BB.. Back in the day CVs commanded respect.. That was an era to be remembered, when wargaming absolutely nailed what it would be like to command a CV, it was almost like a simulation.. Cruisers back then, were important also.. Players learned to work as a team.. Too many DD drama queens, in PVP.. I will never hate the CV, whether I am the target, or not..
In fact, I don't hate any ship in this game, or the players who play these ships.. I only hate the whiners who want there to be less game to play..
looking back, im happy it didnt stay this way because of super carriers
I loved it when I could nuke the Yamato from orbit with a few AP dive bombers and drop a cross pattern of torpedoes...
I loved the carrier in this game. RTS with random objetcs effecting the battle sigmificantly that are the players who're yet not playing RTS? That was a speciality found nowhere else.
And then the rEwORk came, and I left
yeah, I always felt that the base WoWS gameplay combined with RTS CV was a unique selling point for WoWS. It made the game very interesting. Too bad that monetization flexibility and console accessibility considerations made them get rid of it
@@stuiterbalgaming9890 Introduction to consoles pretty much doomed world of warships imo
You know to be fair if RTS had as much HE spamming as we do today the AA back then would have been worthless as well, it would just have a better excuse.
The amount of of micro management CVs needed though to just pull their weight, I'm not even talking about affecting the match just not being a burden on your team was insane to anyone but the committed RTS player. Still trying to figure out how WG thought that players who could make RTS work would be overwhelmed with a smaller workload in the rework.
Yes, as an 'RTS player', the CV rework mechanics had no appeal to me and would eventually be a big part of why I quit the game
Oh god pls return RTS CV
I agree with new AA and perks system, just bring me normal fighters back.
enemy's cv is too strong, then it was your cv being bad
indeed that was the best cv playstyle , still miss it 2 this day. cause your could actually play smart , outplay the other cv with fighters , spot properly for your team and strike where u were needed.not this gimicky spam squad after squad!
Had a ton of fun pairing my carrier, usually Kaga, with my buddy in an AA cruiser like Atlanta, depleting a few waves worth of the enemy carriers planes who came to snipe me. and then using that near total air superiority to kill him and a number of others. I really miss it, you had to think about what you were doing. Which is funny because according to Jingles WG thinks carrier players are too stupid to manage what they are given.
As a guy who missed out RTS CVs, I now start to really think the game's getting worse and worse
there is a way to play with RTS CV in 2022?
Unfortunately, no. This 'RTS CV' mechanic was removed in the so called 'CV rework' in update v0.8.0 in early 2019. It got replaced by a simpler way of playing aircraft carriers.
@@stuiterbalgaming9890 :(
Of course we all know 😂👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@@stuiterbalgaming9890 I wouldn't call it simpler.
@@guntherultraboltnovacrunch5248 But RTS still use more brain than now and more rewarding because you need to know what the hell you are doing. Also AA actually works so that is another +1 for RTS.
I was lured to WoWs by youtube videos of RTS CV gameplay - only to find out that the cool map view was replaced by plane view.
I still found fun with destroyers and later cruisers for happy few years ...until Subs arrived.
CV + Sub teamp playing on my part of map equals frustrating experience and a rage quit. After year or so of nostalgic reinstall/rage uninstall I finally gave up when they announced hybrid BBs.
the carrier rework is the reason carriers today SUCK!!!, the RTS gameplay for carriers was a massive W...
This shows perfectly how frustrating CVs used to be. Imagine being that Friedrich der Große and getting killed by a single cv strike. That's just not fun.
Now imagine getting killed regardless, but slowly, and the carrier won't lose much messing up a strike and never gets deplaned
Bro you have no idea how hard it could be to set up a strike like this, and the guy you hit had to royally fuck up to put himself in a position like that. Carrier RTS gameplay was fucking HARD. A single cruiser with even the tiniest amount of battlefield awareness could shut down a carrier player hard, and if the enemy team stayed even a little condensed you'd pay a steep price to make a strike against it, and that was way more painful back then when you had limited numbers of aircraft.
@@chunkblaster Please you could cross torps destroyers and they had no way to evade. Ok it was harder to play Carrier RTS, but when you mastered it you were way too much powerful. And if you were bad then your team was even more screwed vs a good Carrier player.
@@kalh5158 bro a perfectly timed manual cross drop was THE HARDEST maneuver to master, and if you got caught in it you made about 6 other mistakes first. Carriers weren't perfect by anymeans but look at the alternative: the new carriers are even more annoying to deal with as they have infinite aircraft, can attack the same ship numerous times in one go and have no hard counter including the enemy carrier. How is that a positive change
Better die right away and go to the next game which was guaranteed to be CV-free (because no one was playing them) than to waist 20 mins of your life trying to "just dodge". A thousand times better. CVs eradicated naval warfare in real life and now they did the same in game.
As a DD player who start from CBT , i agree that RTS CV should be banned from the game😂
Meanwhile today your entire wing is destroyed because you play tier 8 CV on 10
That BB so hopeless