*Alan learned when to be metaphorical :D According to Sarah in the first game he was quite heavy on the Metaphor before the "On Writing the Manuscript" Hotline Call in Control :D
I think what’s important in a remake/reimagining is showing respect for what was in the original work but not being afraid to put your own mark and creativity on it. Acknowledge that it did come before but this is YOUR version of it. Hell, you might be able to offer a perspective on the work that the original creator didn’t think of.
Correct, the best and most recent example of it is Silent Hill 2 Remake. The developers succeeded in remaining loyal to the original material while being bold enough to expand and even improve upon some aspects of the original.
the best one that was done was the Jumanji sequel when they found Robin William's character's treehouse "They built this, I'm just leaving a mark on this"
I don’t think that’s necessary true. The devil may cry remake dmc devil may cry’s creator actively disliked the original and its fans and let them know on twitter, with things even like the wig moment mocking the original series. It’s very possible that a creator can get on a project that’s remaking something while also coming at it from a viewpoint that’s not exactly respectful.
@GamingUniversityUoG (Imagines... Shivers... Hopes the reason for such future applications dissolve due to how lunacies of the past get phased out of the way humans 'identify' humanity)
'Sound of Silence' by Simon and Garfunkel - a song about people worshiping their own creations (neon lights), rather than God. 'Sound of Silence' by Disturbed - a song about the danger of nuclear Armageddon. If you change the punctuation on 'Enter Sandman', stress different words, and, "Say your prayers, little one, and don't forget, my son, to include everyone," turns into, "Say your prayers, little one, and don't forget my son, to include everyone."
This is EXACTLY how creatives feel when their works are overly managed by big business and people who don't remotely sympathise with their efforts. A once great piece (or pieces) of work gets increasingly worse as iterations continue. It starts to feel soulless and the creatives begin to revolt in their own ways. Funnily enough, this is what's been happening in the digital creative scene for several years now. In games, Unity Technologies made one of the biggest fumbles in gaming history and was at risk of complete collapse due to an overmanaged, greedy mindset. Microsoft overextended their purchases of IP and now has sold off and/or closed down many well known studios and franchises. Like the studio behind Hi-Fi Rush. I feel that Remedy made this entire scenario/story theme (even going back to AW1) as a warning of their own struggles as creatives, in a world that wants to overmanage them for absolute profit. And adding in that horror twist makes it very much about their own internal struggles. Honestly, brilliant storytelling.
I like to think one of the infinite monkeys is accurately describing my entire life right up to writing this, posting it and going on living my life. And another is writing your story as you read this, dear reader.
Lmao I appreciate it! Yeah my sister was obsessed with that film. Forced me to go to a live showing when I turned 18. It was... an experience to say the least 😅
An artist puts a piece of themselves in every work they create. If you aren't the original artist, you cannot fully replicate it. But by studying the artists, experiencing the work and understanding the circumstances surrounding it, you can make a replica that evokes how it made people feel and thus honor the original work. It is a process that requires you to withold your ego and criticism, focusing on entering a similar mindspace by utilizing a similar approach to method acting.
Exactly. And that piece of an artist cannot be replicated because it was already given to that work and that work only. Even new works by them are different pieces of themselves given to new works.
I don't think it's possible. Even with tech when we can save source code. Certain things end up being different. Like emulators for games. Even books sometimes get updated without us realizing it between reprints.
@@GamingUniversityUoG Yeah like even with Alan Wake the Alan who wrote Departure and the one who wrote Return are different and he worked with other people to create both. Barbara with Departure and Tom with Return. Darling might have also have had an influence on Return given we saw him getting real chummy with Tom.
Very insightful, thx! I wanted to point out the outstanding editing, loved Ed's shots. However, I dont know if its just me and my 2.1 speakers but ur punching up the bass of ur voice too much.
It’s what’s so interesting about adaptations, there is always a new spin to it. If every single adaptation was the same it would be quite boring, but spicing it up and adding things can take the story and give it a whole new meaning. I just KNOW Alan would be pissed off at AI. I mean it’s basically canon. Also not to mention with the automated typewriters never being able to produce writing similar to Alan’s. The Marmonts were incredibly inhumane, both using machinery and then manipulating people.
Keep this thought in your head. A future video may touch more in it. But at the end of the day I have no problems with adaptions. My biggest concern is when it becomes a replacement for the original. In long time, centuries later will the original be remembered or only the pale imitation?
A lot of this is why i feel "Death of the Author" not only has become extremely overused in recent years but also shows how often people misuse it ourely to justify their own personal opinion onna piece of art While art is subjective, it was not for the person that first made that artwork. It had something to it. Just because we interpret it in our own way, that does not suddenly mean the original doesnt mean anything anymore
Especially when you deal with stories that have been around for centuries. Millenia in some cases. These ones stuck around because of the substance. Some things are universal in the human experience that transcends generations, nations, and culture. When these stories are altered you lose the universal aspect and it is only relevant only in the time it was reimagined.
Incredible video! Love your work and how it expands my way of thinking towards this series. The Lake House DLC struck me on personal levels as an artist, and fueled my distaste in AI involved in art.
In tandem yes I agree. Ties into the last video on the meaning of art. The audiences emotional experience is a component. But claiming the author meant something else is undoing the work.
Hey GamingU! Unrelated question but I had a really interesting thought about the Dark Poem. What if it’s the ‘secret poem’ Samantha Wells describes in This House of Dreams? ‘Your friends will meet Him when You are gone’ was never about Scratch and Alan. It was about Alan and Zane.
I find my self thinking of journey of Star Trek, you have the the original series, Then you have TNG witch in season one felt very much like watching TOS in style but grew into it's own style and feel. Then you have Deep Space 9 witch was designed in subversion of Star Trek in many ways by the show runner of that series. Then you have Star Trek as it's been well since 2009 in the movies and TV shows onward on. Clinging on to it's past well forcing continuity to bend it's self while having five different shows running at once for the content.
I grew up in TOS and TNG. Dad was a huge Trekkie. It was so interesting to see the innovation into Deep Space 9, Voyager, and Enterprise. After that I kind of fell off. Innovation is welcome but undoing the soul of the series foundation is what disrupts the whole thing.
So would the study and practice of ancient religious stories and texts be eisegesis? Like if David vs Goliath was truly just a story, not a historic piece, just looking at the story on wikipedia, apparently the tale used to be commonly taken as King Saul being a bad ruler. But modern day, I've only ever seen it with the meaning of having faith in yourself and your god, the various churches I've been to take this further with stuff like saying it means to be wise with the tools you're blessed with, or just to go into situations with faith. None have ever commented on the apparently older message about a bad ruler.
What I would recommend is looking into examples and the philosophy behind Naru Literature. Basically using historical figures and writing them into fictional scenarios.
As usual, you give me something to think about. The bookers are another story I want to look into. Also, I left a comment on another video of yours. I can't remember which one. But I was wondering your thoughts on it.
Lots of bad ones but luckily there have been a handful of good ones too. It's why I think any remake should have a die hard fan hired into the production team.
Finally someone discussing AI who understands that it cant feel feelings. Not even if it tells you it can; it told you that because you told it to act like a person and people are always yammering on about their feelings.
I think it goes beyond AI. It goes to the heart of creativity vs production for the sake of producing. Being a creative person (or group) is hard enough, but when complications like AI (which is actively used to steal other works by Heartless people) arise it can all become too much.
If ATDs don't put any emotion into the text they write (because they are machines), how and why does "the lake" recognise it as art and manifests it in reality? It shouldn't have any affect on the lake, even if it mimics Alans writing.
High emotion can also come from the audience. Not just the creator. Possible the FBC staff added that component. Or the story without emotion is it's own thing. I don't think it is a requirement to have high emotion. But it certainly helps when the audience believes in it. The greater the Egregor the greater the effect.
6:49 Alan knows when to be metaphorical and when to be literal in his writing. Ed thinks everything's a metaphor.
*Alan learned when to be metaphorical
:D
According to Sarah in the first game he was quite heavy on the Metaphor before the "On Writing the Manuscript" Hotline Call in Control :D
Simplest way to out it.
I think what’s important in a remake/reimagining is showing respect for what was in the original work but not being afraid to put your own mark and creativity on it. Acknowledge that it did come before but this is YOUR version of it. Hell, you might be able to offer a perspective on the work that the original creator didn’t think of.
Correct, the best and most recent example of it is Silent Hill 2 Remake. The developers succeeded in remaining loyal to the original material while being bold enough to expand and even improve upon some aspects of the original.
the best one that was done was the Jumanji sequel when they found Robin William's character's treehouse "They built this, I'm just leaving a mark on this"
On this note I almost included another clip at the end. That scene from Scream 4 where Sydney explains the first rule of remakes lol
@@GamingUniversityUoG Wish you did. Sounds like it would have fit perfectly.
I don’t think that’s necessary true. The devil may cry remake dmc devil may cry’s creator actively disliked the original and its fans and let them know on twitter, with things even like the wig moment mocking the original series. It’s very possible that a creator can get on a project that’s remaking something while also coming at it from a viewpoint that’s not exactly respectful.
The DNA cannot... ... ... Yet.
Imagine going to court in the future and trying to explain that the DNA was artificially created to frame the defense attorneys client
@GamingUniversityUoG (Imagines... Shivers... Hopes the reason for such future applications dissolve due to how lunacies of the past get phased out of the way humans 'identify' humanity)
We are already seeing the starts of that with Deep Fake technology as it relates to video evidence.
Art. Replicants. "Do androids dream of electric sheep?" What kind of monster will dream the Shadow thanks to an AI plugged to it?
Some of the backstory to the Dune universe touches upon this as well.
'Sound of Silence' by Simon and Garfunkel - a song about people worshiping their own creations (neon lights), rather than God.
'Sound of Silence' by Disturbed - a song about the danger of nuclear Armageddon.
If you change the punctuation on 'Enter Sandman', stress different words, and, "Say your prayers, little one, and don't forget, my son, to include everyone," turns into, "Say your prayers, little one, and don't forget my son, to include everyone."
This is EXACTLY how creatives feel when their works are overly managed by big business and people who don't remotely sympathise with their efforts. A once great piece (or pieces) of work gets increasingly worse as iterations continue. It starts to feel soulless and the creatives begin to revolt in their own ways.
Funnily enough, this is what's been happening in the digital creative scene for several years now. In games, Unity Technologies made one of the biggest fumbles in gaming history and was at risk of complete collapse due to an overmanaged, greedy mindset.
Microsoft overextended their purchases of IP and now has sold off and/or closed down many well known studios and franchises. Like the studio behind Hi-Fi Rush.
I feel that Remedy made this entire scenario/story theme (even going back to AW1) as a warning of their own struggles as creatives, in a world that wants to overmanage them for absolute profit. And adding in that horror twist makes it very much about their own internal struggles. Honestly, brilliant storytelling.
"unforeseen consequences" nice reference
I like to think one of the infinite monkeys is accurately describing my entire life right up to writing this, posting it and going on living my life. And another is writing your story as you read this, dear reader.
Don’t dream it, be it.
Oh, Rocky!
I never thought I'd hear a rocky reference in the channel lmao
@@GamingUniversityUoG Hey, man... They get set up, I knock 'em down. Your boy don't miss. 🙂
@@GamingUniversityUoG I thought of typing out a couple of crowd response lyrics, but this is a family channel... So... Yeah...
Lmao I appreciate it! Yeah my sister was obsessed with that film. Forced me to go to a live showing when I turned 18. It was... an experience to say the least 😅
Having finished Alan Wake 2 recently, I can finally watch your videos! They've all been absolutely excellent.
Thank you! Hope you've been enjoying your Remedy adventure
WOOOOOOOOOOO!!! New Alan Wake Video!
Haha. A day late but we got it out
An artist puts a piece of themselves in every work they create. If you aren't the original artist, you cannot fully replicate it. But by studying the artists, experiencing the work and understanding the circumstances surrounding it, you can make a replica that evokes how it made people feel and thus honor the original work. It is a process that requires you to withold your ego and criticism, focusing on entering a similar mindspace by utilizing a similar approach to method acting.
Exactly. And that piece of an artist cannot be replicated because it was already given to that work and that work only. Even new works by them are different pieces of themselves given to new works.
I don’t think a perfect one to one comparison even exists.
I don't think it's possible. Even with tech when we can save source code. Certain things end up being different. Like emulators for games. Even books sometimes get updated without us realizing it between reprints.
@@GamingUniversityUoG Yeah like even with Alan Wake the Alan who wrote Departure and the one who wrote Return are different and he worked with other people to create both. Barbara with Departure and Tom with Return. Darling might have also have had an influence on Return given we saw him getting real chummy with Tom.
I can't wait to see what videos you end up making after FBC Firebreak releases
Fully plan to live stream it with some members of the team and community
@@GamingUniversityUoG hell yeah
Very insightful, thx! I wanted to point out the outstanding editing, loved Ed's shots. However, I dont know if its just me and my 2.1 speakers but ur punching up the bass of ur voice too much.
It’s what’s so interesting about adaptations, there is always a new spin to it. If every single adaptation was the same it would be quite boring, but spicing it up and adding things can take the story and give it a whole new meaning.
I just KNOW Alan would be pissed off at AI. I mean it’s basically canon. Also not to mention with the automated typewriters never being able to produce writing similar to Alan’s.
The Marmonts were incredibly inhumane, both using machinery and then manipulating people.
Keep this thought in your head. A future video may touch more in it. But at the end of the day I have no problems with adaptions. My biggest concern is when it becomes a replacement for the original. In long time, centuries later will the original be remembered or only the pale imitation?
I love your AW videos! Thank you again for another wonderful deep dive.
You got it!
A lot of this is why i feel "Death of the Author" not only has become extremely overused in recent years but also shows how often people misuse it ourely to justify their own personal opinion onna piece of art
While art is subjective, it was not for the person that first made that artwork. It had something to it. Just because we interpret it in our own way, that does not suddenly mean the original doesnt mean anything anymore
Especially when you deal with stories that have been around for centuries. Millenia in some cases. These ones stuck around because of the substance. Some things are universal in the human experience that transcends generations, nations, and culture. When these stories are altered you lose the universal aspect and it is only relevant only in the time it was reimagined.
Manipulation, Control and Dylan.
P6 and subject P (Rudolf Lane)
Amazing work Dean.
I appreciate you Willis. Nice seeing you
Provoking thought experiments. I love it.
That's my job lol. Glad you enjoy
keep up the good work
Will do. Thank you!
2:16 a copy of a copy of a copy
Same brain wave!
Haha should have added dylons voice in the background there just as a little flair. Saying just that
Incredible video! Love your work and how it expands my way of thinking towards this series. The Lake House DLC struck me on personal levels as an artist, and fueled my distaste in AI involved in art.
Knowledge is an objective past. Wisdom is a subjective future.
such a great video！ keep up the good work
Will do! Thank you so much
The FBC should hire you as a kind of paranatural advisor. Lord knows the Marmonts should have done that XD
11:03 and the real meaning is a mix of both. Hegel - Dialectic process
In tandem yes I agree. Ties into the last video on the meaning of art. The audiences emotional experience is a component. But claiming the author meant something else is undoing the work.
Heck yeah, ‘nother video.
Hope you enjoy!
Hey GamingU! Unrelated question but I had a really interesting thought about the Dark Poem. What if it’s the ‘secret poem’ Samantha Wells describes in This House of Dreams?
‘Your friends will meet Him when You are gone’ was never about Scratch and Alan. It was about Alan and Zane.
I find my self thinking of journey of Star Trek, you have the the original series, Then you have TNG witch in season one felt very much like watching TOS in style but grew into it's own style and feel. Then you have Deep Space 9 witch was designed in subversion of Star Trek in many ways by the show runner of that series. Then you have Star Trek as it's been well since 2009 in the movies and TV shows onward on. Clinging on to it's past well forcing continuity to bend it's self while having five different shows running at once for the content.
I grew up in TOS and TNG. Dad was a huge Trekkie. It was so interesting to see the innovation into Deep Space 9, Voyager, and Enterprise. After that I kind of fell off. Innovation is welcome but undoing the soul of the series foundation is what disrupts the whole thing.
So would the study and practice of ancient religious stories and texts be eisegesis? Like if David vs Goliath was truly just a story, not a historic piece, just looking at the story on wikipedia, apparently the tale used to be commonly taken as King Saul being a bad ruler. But modern day, I've only ever seen it with the meaning of having faith in yourself and your god, the various churches I've been to take this further with stuff like saying it means to be wise with the tools you're blessed with, or just to go into situations with faith. None have ever commented on the apparently older message about a bad ruler.
What I would recommend is looking into examples and the philosophy behind Naru Literature. Basically using historical figures and writing them into fictional scenarios.
As usual, you give me something to think about. The bookers are another story I want to look into. Also, I left a comment on another video of yours. I can't remember which one. But I was wondering your thoughts on it.
Thank you!
You're welcome
You beat me to it Jake lol
@@GamingUniversityUoG 😂😂XD
Got me thinking about all those recent franchises that got butchered recently and theres alot
Lots of bad ones but luckily there have been a handful of good ones too. It's why I think any remake should have a die hard fan hired into the production team.
Finally someone discussing AI who understands that it cant feel feelings. Not even if it tells you it can; it told you that because you told it to act like a person and people are always yammering on about their feelings.
I think it goes beyond AI. It goes to the heart of creativity vs production for the sake of producing. Being a creative person (or group) is hard enough, but when complications like AI (which is actively used to steal other works by Heartless people) arise it can all become too much.
If ATDs don't put any emotion into the text they write (because they are machines), how and why does "the lake" recognise it as art and manifests it in reality? It shouldn't have any affect on the lake, even if it mimics Alans writing.
High emotion can also come from the audience. Not just the creator. Possible the FBC staff added that component. Or the story without emotion is it's own thing. I don't think it is a requirement to have high emotion. But it certainly helps when the audience believes in it. The greater the Egregor the greater the effect.
I would say if you can replicate something 100% then it wasn't truly artistic in the 1st place...
Just a copy of a copy
@@GamingUniversityUoGOrange peel. The picture is you holding the picture. When you hear this you will know you’re in new you
Why does the author’s intention matter so much?