Frodo: "I wish it need not have happened in my time." Gandalf in 2001: "So do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us." Gandalf in 1978: "Yeah. Sucks."
"What a pity that Bilbo didn't kill that vile creature when he had the chance!" Gandalf in 2001: "Pity? It was pity that stayed Bilbo's hand! Many that live deserve death, and some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them, Frodo? ... Do not be to eager to deal in death and judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends. My heart tells me that Gollum has some part to play, yet. For good or ill, before this is all over, the pity of Bilbo may rule the fate of many." Gandalf in 1978: "Yeah. Sucks."
@@raincoast_bear I must've forgotten he did the rotoscoped acting for that. Bilbo too. You can really see it at times with their mannerisms and with Bilbo's design and expressions. I guess that's maybe part of Sam's strange appearance - is they couldn't trace Billy's face for both characters, so they went with something *definitely* different that ignored the actor's face entirely.
Gandalf is a total dick. Same guy that press ganged Bilbo into going on a dangerous adventure and damn near got him killed, and later does the same thing with his nephew Frodo.
Crazy to think that Jackson's first LOTR film is now as old as the animated film was when his films started coming out. I'm still thinking of LOTR as a new, modern film that I just saw in the cinema!
@@Strideo1 I read somewhere apparently he planned a character arc for Sam in a sense, like he's a bumbling fool in the first movie, but he grows more in the next movie, it would probably be different tbh if he could complete the project
In this version Frodo’s like “I wish none of this had happened” and instead of Gandalf saying “so do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide” he’s like “yeah dude, me too” and then Frodo’s like “Bilbo should have killed Gollum”, and Gandalf is like “Yeah it was mercy. So make sure you don’t miss your chance to kill him”
I'm not sure that's what was intended by that part of the conversation's wording. The actual response was, "And now, Frodo, the decision lies with you. What will you do with the one ring?" I think Gandalf is just trying to get Frodo to stop whining and return to the main point, regardless of what Frodo thinks about Bilbo's handling of Gollum. The question is, "What will you do with the ring?", not, "What will you do with Gollum?"
Well dude would not shut up about all the Thick Elves he was about to encounter and how damn exciting that was going to be for him. Its all the guy wanted to talk about through the entire scene. How many elves? am I on my knees when the elves enter the chamber? How thick an elf will we be dealing with here just for a reference? I mean Sam goes on for a while he really does. That is not the last of his questions about the elves.
The look on Frodo's face when he offers the ring to Gandalf and it is rejected is a very... odd choice. Instead of looking concerned and confused (as Elijah Wood does in Peter Jackson's trilogy), Frodo looks disgusted at Gandalf. That was one thing that really weirded me out about this animated version as a kid. During key interactions, the characters seemed to perform comical or misplaced emotions on their faces and it really detracted from the dialogue.
Yeah, and look at how pleased Frodo looks when Gandalf is happy about his decision to go away - like he's fishing for approval. Odd. I wonder if the artists weren't given full context of the scene.
I don't know why, I've heard others say this also, but I never interpreted it this way. I always saw him look with a bit of shock and surprise. Maybe it's just less clear as a result of the rotoscoping.
I saw this in the theater a lot of times as a kid, and loved it, and later worked as an animator for Ralph Bakshi, so I'm a little biased, but I think it holds up really well. Of course, I wish they had come back and finished it...when the first live-action one came out in 2001 I e-mailed Ralph and listed three scenes they cribbed from ol' '78- all good swipes. He got a kick out of it, but they showed him some respect by retaining a few of his ideas. This version was also very beautifully scored.
Hey Joe! That's fantastic! Which Bakshi film did you work on? I love his stuff, and the fact that they didn't finish this project kills me to this day.... And yes, the score for the 78 LOTR is great too, I agree.
@@JackBeddows "Cool World", his last feature, in Burbank, a short walk down the hill from where I lived then. Ralph was/is a ball of energy, and would enthusiastically hire artists he met everywhere, and I knew maybe a dozen guys who had gotten their starts in the business on LOTR, "in-betweening orc hairs". I have a nice framed cel of Frodo and Sam, close-up in night colors, hanging in my office. I still love this film and its score, which I have on a Japanese CD from the nineties. Bought the tie-in book, painted the little metal figures, all when I was thirteen.
It's a truly a terrific movie. Animation let the book come alive on screen, and the rotoscoping let's it transcend animation into a beautiful blend of fantasy and reality, which is the perfect tone for the book. The mattes are fantastic too. Some character design and some of the dialogue and staging are a bit questionable, but all-in-all it's amazing. To be honest... I think Frodo in this scene is better than about any point in PJ's. Of course, I think everyone who really watches it wishes there was a RotK, but the one by Rankin & Bass has some bright spots in it. However, I love how Bakshi worked around the issues. If you ignore your knowledge of RotK, the movie concludes perfectly. It set up this idea of the end of mankind, and Helm's Deep encapsulates that well. Bakshi's LotR is epic poetry. You worked with a legend, and I mean, as an animator you brought such works to life. That's really an awesome story, being enthralled by a movie then going to work for that same director who helped inspire you. Those are the best cinema stories imo.
@SurferJoe1 I totally agree about Ralph finishing it. His version of LOTR is still my favourite and I wish he had had his chance to complete the story.
The hobbits hiding under the tree roots, Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli running sequence are the two things I can name off the top of my head as almost copy-pasted. Scenes and designs - movies borrow a lot. I'd even go as far as calling them a reboot, rather than an original work (so to speak). What Jackson brought to the table was beautiful landscapes of New Zealand... Which he did because of his previous projects in NZ. When you think about it, it's not THAT special. Just like Star Wars, if you've seen films of that period. I mean, R2 is a fleshed out bot from Silent Running.
Interesting, but I think Bakshi's choice to leave this scene unscored (which presumably made this video easier to produce) was legitimate. It allows the atmospheric sounds of the Shire at night to be the only background to the dialogue.
Yeah I had the same thought. I was watching the first half wondering “Is the joke that removing the score made the scene more atmospheric and dark and serious? Because this is good stuff.” I feel like the musical score kind of hurts the scene a bit and doesn’t quite match the tone and mood as well.
@@geovaughan8261 This concept got pointed out a lot in the tail end of the 2010s, where the people directing and editing movies are so afraid that an audience can't read a scene, that you have to triple down on every cue to tell them what they need to feel. No room to breath and internalize it.... just moving from one cue to another. Oh, and if something is serious, you need a comedy bit every 12 seconds to break it up. Because music does a really good job of invoking certain emotional beats, its become overused in movie productions like rapid cuts in action scenes, and statements of observation, as they don't trust a scene to work on its own merits. Don't get me wrong. Good music can totally elevate a scene. But now its doing more heavy lifting, to make up for deficiencies in other areas of the production. Writing especially. I noticed while watching the video that I stopped thinking about whats being said, and that my mood was completely set by the music. ..... and when I noticed it started to feel really weird. "Lets go on an adventure!!!.... wait.... wtf?".
@@freelancerthe2561extremely well put. I really wish more movies were scoreless. It would hopefully be an antidote to our overstimulated overcaffeinated brains.
The voice actors for this movie were actually trying, but the animators did such a hilarious job. Every character looks like a Disney character with a facial siezure, and the way Gandalf walks is just marvelous.
@@joeyn985groundbreaking, yes. But very poorly done. The characters' movements speed up and slow down strangely. It looks natural one second and then suddenly bizarre and impossible.
@@bbgun061 2D animation is very time consuming and I bet they didn’t have that nor the money to hire talent. That being said, yeah I agree with you the animation could have been better but I’m sure they did the best they could given the circumstances.
I love how there talking about something so serious and scary and yet as there crossing over the bridge Frodo just starts strutting like he’s so proud of himself!
That's one of the odd things about this film, how the animation is so out of step with the dialog, and the fact that none of the characters can stop gesturing.
I don't get some of the hate for the animated films. They're certainly flawed (particularly with different people doing only two parts of the Lod of the Rings trilogy), but as a kid at the time, with no other Tolkien material on the screen (big or small), they were pure magic to me. This was before all the fantasy movies that came out in the 80s, and when major studios weren't doing animation. Seeing the Hobbit in two parts on TV (also the animated CS Lewis's The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe in two parts), I became hooked on fantasy. They opened up new magical worlds full of threat and beauty, and heroism. Even now I have to turn to old movies for my kids when I want to show them any serious fantasy because certainly the Rings of Power or Willow won't cut it. And even the Peter Jackson trilogy is 20 years old now. So I can't fault the animated films for being for kids, or for not being perfect adaptations or a highly polished major studio release.
This is well said. I've done my share of ragging on the Bakshi version. But I find in retrospect, it has its own charm. Either I've mellowed out or am more perceptive to the good stuff. And the other shows you mention... The Lion, The Witch, And The Wardrobe...the 1977 version of The Hobbit is actually superior in certain ways to the Peter Jackson: certainly less cluttered. I mention other shows where the animated is superior to the live action. Ghost In The Shell. Avatar The Last Airbender. The Disney original animated compared to the live action remakes. But I'm just gabbing away at this point.
I was only disappointed that Bakshi's movie ended where it did and was never continued. Wizards and Fire & Ice were great, too, but LotR remaining incomplete, as it is, is still disappointing. What bothers me about the Peter Jackson version is that, as well-made as it is, he chose particular artists' visions that I didn't always think were the best of how artists had imagined Tolkien's world over the years, particularly the dark creatures. Now, Jackson's choices seem to be locked in for good with anything Tolkien-related going forward. Also, I hate to say it, but Jackson's version Hobbit is more bad than good.
@@crimsonmask3819 I'd say that problem has more to do with lazy producers like Amazon than Peter Jackson though. Peter got people who'd been known for their Tolkien art long before he started the film to do work on it. And a limitation of live action films is that painting and drawing can be more symbolic and capture the underlying feeling and wonder, and can allow the viewer to interact with their own take, while photography locks it into the action on the screen. Personally, I prefer the more 70s aesthetic the animated films drew from.
@@rb1691 The Hobbit is certainly a bloated film that became a rush job due to studio interference. I will always wonder what del Toro, or Jackson if he was given more time to plan after taking over, would have produced.
It's crazy to me how much Frodo sounds like Elijah Wood and Sam sounds like Sean Astin. I guess that Peter Jackson was probably heavily influenced by this movie.
i was struck by that, too. though the whole time i was thinking "Oh, Sean... they did your character dirty." it seemed like they were trying to make him a bit... mentally not all there. and more than a bit simple. there was a cartoon i'm sort of thinking of but can't recall enough details -- "Tell me about the _____s, George". fak. can't get more than this half remembered quote. but they made that character kinda hurr durr. wish i could remember the word used as that'd help an ID. pretty sure they were animal characters?
I read somewhere that the producer or Bakshi himself thought Saruman sounded too much like Sauron, so they called him Haruman instead. I first saw this movie in French though and he was called "Saroumane". That's how they spell it in the French translation of the books.
Frankly, I like the original version of this scene better. The soundtrack isn't bad, but I feel like it detracts from the atmosphere. It's supposed to be solemn and somber, these are extremely heavy issues Frodo and Gandalf are talking about. This is a scene that was clearly written to be viewed without a soundtrack backing it.
It’s motion capture now. I used to want to be an animator but if you’re talking about this form of media, motion capture is the new form of roto-scoping, not to say roto-scoping is a dead artform, just a different form of art form. But when it comes to more accurately animated character’s body movements in 2D or 3D it’s motion capture. Gif knows how animation will evolve in the future now that we have A.I.
When I tell people about this movie, and make comparisons, I tell them that I tend to like Bakshi Frodo and Bakshi Aragorn better than their Jackson counterparts (though I still love Jackson Aragorn). But I always end it with, "And then there's Sam... we don't talk about Bakshi Sam..."
I grew up reading the books, and for me this depiction of Sam captures his heart and personality - his roots, as it were - better than Sean Astin’s portrayal. Astin’s acting is too…refined. His mannerisms and movements are not those of a hobbit who’s been a gardener most of his life. He also doesn’t LOOK like someone who spends most of his time outside.
Definitely a better Aragorn in this older movie. I like him a lot more than the newer one. As for Frodo, the older version speaks a lot more naturally.
I've always liked most of the portrayals in this version (I grew up on this and the Rankin Bass Hobbit and RotK) The one that I just can't understand from the Bakshi film is Roman Senator Elrond. Such a bizarre choice
Unironically this is the most captivating animation I have ever seen in my life. Immediately grabs my attention and I can't look away. I have to watch this movie. It's so lifelike it's unbelievable
@@Durwood71it looks to me like disgust at Merlin's weakness, but really Merlin was right to admit that he couldn't be trusted. If he hadn't been honest and vulnerable, all would be lost.
And what they did to Sam…and the Balrog…and by severing abridging the story…and the funky facial expressions on Gandalf in particular…ok maybe this was never meant to be a masterpiece but it could’ve been very good! 😂
Awesome treatment of this scene. FYI - For anyone wondering why Gandalf/Galadriel freak out when offered the ring... _The more powerful the being, the quickly it corrupts them._ That's why: A) The ring-bearer needs to be carried by the least-powerful of all humanoid species (Hobbits.) B) The ring cannot go ANYWHERE near the Eagles. The Eagles are _the most_ powerful beings (as species go) on Middle Earth at this time. Gandalf is a class of Archangel called _Istari_ , so he's (barely) strong enough to resist seizing the ring while traveling near it. Galadriel - is much more powerful. She is 1/4 God, 3/4 First Age Elf. Her temptation/pull is far greater. Both of them freak out - and give Frodo visions of what would happen once they took it. They are trying _very hard_ to get him to never do that again. Tempted often enough - they'd succumb. (But as a kid, this anger/freakout stuff they did just made me scared, and I didn't understand it.)
The eagles aren't more powerful than the ents, or the elves. They're servants of Manwe, but they keep mostly to themselves. Gandalf is a maia, not a vala; valar are the equivalent to archangels, like Manwe, Varda, and Orome. You're confusing Galadriel with Luthien--her mother was a maia, so she was 1/2 angel, half elf...which makes all her descendants (Elrond, Elros, Arwen, Aragorn, etc.) a touch of maia as well.
@@rikk319 Exactly. Galadriel is not descended from the Maiar, and Gandalf "unveiled" is definitely more powerful than she is. I don't read it as the Ring corrupts the powerful more quickly than the weak (the resiliency of Hobbits is something separate), but rather a question of how much "damage" the person could do if corrupted. For example, Gollum/Smeagol is basically entirely corrupted by the Ring... but he doesn't become a dark lord, a Power, he uses it to sneak up on goblins and eat them. Sam's great temptation while Ringbearer is to use the Ring to... create a really big, really awesome garden. THAT's why it's far too dangerous to have Gandalf or Galadriel keep the Ring. They would not be able to resist using it to "put everything right" but as they became corrupted, the enormous power they wield would inevitably be used to do terrible things.
Trying to remember here. Galadriel was second in power compared to Feanor, but much wiser. Let’s suppose that some of Galadriel power can be applied to combat. Gandalf the Grey barely manage to win a battle against a Balrog. Feanor ate Balrogs for breakfast. If Galadriel is somewhere in between, I believe could beat Gandalf the Grey in power. Now now, Galadriel choose not to fight, therefore lack in experience. So in combat I trust Gandalf experience first. And then Glorfindel 😅
@@tandersan Tolkien himself said of Galadriel, in the First Age: "She was then of Amazon disposition and bound up her hair as a crown when taking part in athletic feats." Her name was Artanis Nerwen, "The Man-maiden". Until in Doriath, around 60 First Age, her husband Celeborn gave her a new name: 'Galadriel'. She loved this name so much she decided to go on with this name the rest of her life. Still...she was literally named by Tolkien as a broad-shouldered amazon type.
My high school English teacher loved this movie, and would play it on a VCR during study hall in her classroom (along with the first two Indiana Jones movies). Would have been around 1986-1988. Ah, memories.
3 time Oscar winner Howard Shore is a great artist. His use of music colors the scene and does much to guide our emotions. He has scored many films, but the LOTR franchise was truly a magnum opus of his career and will create a permanent place in the artistic archives for generations to both enjoy and learn from.
Everyone involved in Jackson’s trilogy absolutely poured themselves into it. But Howard Shore in particular was such a huge part of the soul of the saga.
I so love Bakshi's animation!! It'll always have a dear place in my heart so thank you so much for this. I just must add that Mithrandir will never ever be outdone! We need ever new rehearsals of that majestic musical masterpiece and children's choir!
I had seen the Bakshi version so many times as a kid and had the soundtrack on cassette and then CD to play while reading the books. I can bring up that specific tune in my mind as a read a certain section or chapter now. Leonard was a fantastic composer, RIP!
I also don't think it's sufficiently edited to fit this scene here. The mood feels weird and clashing with the way the scene is cut as compared to Shore's music. Even if you actually asked Howard Shore himself to go back to do a score for the Bakshi film, he would do it differently from the Peter Jackson trilogy because the feel and flow is just different!
This film was my introduction to Tolkien back in 1979 in the UK. No point comparing it to the Peter Jackson adaptation in my opinion, as they are both wonderful in different ways. Loved it then, and love it now!
This old cartoon is such a mixed bag.... so unique, beautiful and ahead of its time (or today) ; but also so weird and trippy; and goofy in places (I'm thinking of the 'oh hurray' memes, and Aragorn literally tripping over his own sword.)
@@Catherine_Longstaff People didn't have pants back then--even in the 1700s men wore breeches, not pants--they went down to your knee, and your socks covered your lower legs. Pants weren't a thing until the 1800s. Any pants before then in film are an anachronism.
I like how the 1978 version gave Sam an arc and had him become a lot more serious of a character by the end...but they still made him way too childish at the beginning. To date, I feel the best Samwise portrayal was Roddy McDowell from Rankin-Bass's RETURN OF THE KING.
Haven't seen either of those but having recently re-read the books I feel that Frodo's thunder was stolen as the senior hobbit in the Jackson films. In this short segment Frodi does look taller and more mature than Sam.
It was this movie that introduced me to the world of Tolkien, and the fantasy world in general. Personally this movie is very important to me and also had a big influence on my love for art and creativity. As others have said - very VERY UNDERATED!
Ralph Bakshi was a GOD in my school of ART & DESIGN where he attended. We all wanted to become animators because of his achievements. This film could use an updated directors cut, with some updated special effects.
This made the scene so much better. But they truly did ruin Sam in this movie, an unforgivable evil. Even though I liked how Gandalf basically summons Sam from a bush, as there is no prior indication of Sam being there.
I don't know about that. Sam does look like a simpleton in The Fellowship of the Ring, especially in the beginning. It is really in The Return of the King that he starts to shine. Too bad Bakshi didn't get to complete the story. I would have liked to see what he would have done with Sam's story ark.
@@Aenimus12 That’s most likely true but oh so disappointing. 🤦♂️ “Hi, we’re the filmmakers. We have no trust in Tolkien’s knowledge of languages and names, and no faith in the audience.”Surprised they didn’t change “Aragorn son of Arathorn” to “Aragorn son of Fred.”
While I still love the charm of the original, you did a spectacular job, here, not just laying over a blanket of soundtrack, but editing it perfectly. The darker theme with the shaking bush, etc., etc. Seamless stuff. Great job keeping the sound effects of the original, as well.
It's definitely two different styles of directing, building atmosphere, and two different approaches at how to tell a story that comes from a book. To hear Tolkien's opinions on both would be fascinating. Hate them or love them, it would be truly interesting to listen to his commentary on the matter. I'd love to hear his take on Howard Shore's music too.
The animation feels so genuine and real in these older animated tv shows, almost like they had real people perform the scene and then draw and animate from that.
I think I've seen this movie once, a long time ago. It was funny to me then, and it still kinda is. Those expressions, especially Frodo in 5:19.. But the music of Howard Shore does make a difference. It hits almost perfectly with the scenes. The Ring, Gollum, The Shire... You did an amazing job with this clip! Very well done! I actually now want to see the whole thing again, even if I end up laughing my head off! And yes, I agree with the comments here. What an earth did they do to Sam?!
People criticizing this movie don't understand how groundbreaking this movie was in terms of technicalities in animation and how influential it was for the later films. There are a LOT of frames and scenes that come from this movie. It's clear that Peter Jackson really liked them and used them as a creative basis.
Seriously huge, the cadence no longer feels like it’s so slow, the music fills the quieter moments with the emotion of the characters so you can really feel them. Sam is still weird though.
I actually did 13 minutes of the film and instantly got blocked by copyright claim. If the day ever comes I can put the whole shebang on my channel I'll do the rest in a heartbeat.
Reminds me of an observation my fam made watching the behind-the-scenes to Peter Jackson's; particularly the rough cut to the council of Elrond sequence. With the awkward pauses at the end of each take left in, and the total lack of music or sound effects; the acting _feels worse._ Made me appreciate the value of good editing. That last tightening up of all the pieces and finding the rhythm of the edit makes everything register better and you stop thinking about the actors and the stage. The RUclipsr "This Guy Edits" did a great video where he took a crack at improving a scene from a Niel Breen movie. Notoriously stilted and hammy material, the guy was able to tighten things up and even rearranged some lines to recontextualize a character being stupid and needing the same information repeated twice, to them being panicked and "not listening", making the repeated line a dramatic emphasis "hey, focus" rather than aimless repetition.
@@ZVEB this scene is totally ruined by the LotR movie music. It doesn't need a score. the story was conveyed well by the actors and the visual. there was a reason the dirctor of the animated version didn't used music, so leave it that way.
What a drastic change to the pacing and drama of the scenes! Just by adding good music to carry the emotions. I loved these movies growing up, but even I have to admit I fell asleep more than once while watching them because they couldn't hold my focus. Now I wish the whole 1980s trilogy were set to the score from the 2000 era movies. Thank you for such a simple yet powerful demonstration of how much good music can enhance good stories.
I really wished Bakshi would have finished the work he started and made Return of the King it would have been more mature instead we got a childrens cartoon and WHERE THERES A WHIP THERES A WAY!!!!!
Frodo: "I wish it need not have happened in my time."
Gandalf in 2001: "So do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us."
Gandalf in 1978: "Yeah. Sucks."
"What a pity that Bilbo didn't kill that vile creature when he had the chance!"
Gandalf in 2001: "Pity? It was pity that stayed Bilbo's hand! Many that live deserve death, and some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them, Frodo? ... Do not be to eager to deal in death and judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends. My heart tells me that Gollum has some part to play, yet. For good or ill, before this is all over, the pity of Bilbo may rule the fate of many."
Gandalf in 1978: "Yeah. Sucks."
Completely with you! 2 very iconic quotes of gandalf reduced to nothing of significance
@@dalewatson9334did you even read the book??
@@revolutionishere He's talking about how the book lines werent delivered in the '78 show
@@revolutionishere Yes
That stank face frodo has towards gandalf freaking out is the best
meme-worthy
He was all “BE STILL! FOOL OF A WIZARD!”.
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The faces are all strange... you can see so much of the whites of Gandalf's eyes, he just looks mad
that shit killed me
I just love Gandalf's last move before he exits - just turns to Sam and "NYAH!"
Like Bilbo in that one scene
I loved that as a kid, made me laugth everytime i see it 🤣
Voldemort esque 😂
more like "oogie boogie!!!"
@TheRuddster95 right with that finger and hand movements
Sam's weirdo golf clap when he mentions Elves kills me every time lol
It's a gesture that anyone who remembers the little person actor Billy Barty will be familiar with.
@@raincoast_bear I must've forgotten he did the rotoscoped acting for that. Bilbo too. You can really see it at times with their mannerisms and with Bilbo's design and expressions. I guess that's maybe part of Sam's strange appearance - is they couldn't trace Billy's face for both characters, so they went with something *definitely* different that ignored the actor's face entirely.
Dude did not know what he was getting himself in to…
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@@raincoast_bear Holy shit that's Billy Barty?? Incredible!
That part where Gandalf jump-scares Sam before he leaves cracks me up 👻
It's exactly what any of us would do after spending two minutes with this version of Sam. 😂
You guys are hilarious! Gandalf has those lengthy set that he wiggled at Sam, calling it a jumpscare is perfect!😂😂
Poor Sam 😭
The intrusive thoughts won
Gandalf is a total dick. Same guy that press ganged Bilbo into going on a dangerous adventure and damn near got him killed, and later does the same thing with his nephew Frodo.
Crazy to think that Jackson's first LOTR film is now as old as the animated film was when his films started coming out.
I'm still thinking of LOTR as a new, modern film that I just saw in the cinema!
The Jackson Trilogy has aged so well, absolute classics
@@Alex-pk1iy Well is the understatement of the century
Come on man, you don't have to hit me with that...
y u do dis?
Oh my gosh, imagine watching it in theatres ahhhh that is so cool
„Don’t let him turn me into anything unnatural!“
Little late there, my guy.
Oh man, that’s hilarious 😂👏
7:13
Still beats Sean Astins Sam, kept slipping into American
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
you didn't have to do Sam dirty like that, he's got enough problems. Thanks for the laugh though.
The way Gandalf messes with Sam before he leaves 😢😂
Howard Shore can do anything, but even he cannot fix Sam.
Why did Ralph Bakshi hate Sam so much?
@@Strideo1 I read somewhere apparently he planned a character arc for Sam in a sense, like he's a bumbling fool in the first movie, but he grows more in the next movie, it would probably be different tbh if he could complete the project
@@alexandersmith4731Ah yes, the Neville Longbottom arc
@@InquisitiveEngineer Sorta yea 😂
Would have been nice to over dub him with Astin on top of the music.
In this version Frodo’s like “I wish none of this had happened” and instead of Gandalf saying “so do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide” he’s like “yeah dude, me too” and then Frodo’s like “Bilbo should have killed Gollum”, and Gandalf is like “Yeah it was mercy. So make sure you don’t miss your chance to kill him”
Suspiciously American
Yeah I know. Like, why NOT use the original text?
I'm not sure that's what was intended by that part of the conversation's wording. The actual response was, "And now, Frodo, the decision lies with you. What will you do with the one ring?"
I think Gandalf is just trying to get Frodo to stop whining and return to the main point, regardless of what Frodo thinks about Bilbo's handling of Gollum. The question is, "What will you do with the ring?", not, "What will you do with Gollum?"
There was no implication "so make sure you don't miss your chance to kill him" in Gandalf's speech in this cartoon, but it is in your imagination.
No. "Will you have pity? Will you show mercy?". Your take is horribly twisted.
That weird little psych-out Gandalf does to Sam at the end XD
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Such a great detail and strange relationship that I don't think is a thing at all in the live-action version, it couldn't be I guess.
Well dude would not shut up about all the Thick Elves he was about to encounter and how damn exciting that was going to be for him. Its all the guy wanted to talk about through the entire scene. How many elves? am I on my knees when the elves enter the chamber? How thick an elf will we be dealing with here just for a reference? I mean Sam goes on for a while he really does. That is not the last of his questions about the elves.
@marcussmith4913 Than they get to Mordor, and JRRT goes on and on about pebbles and leaves and trees that don’t move or talk. 😴💀
The look on Frodo's face when he offers the ring to Gandalf and it is rejected is a very... odd choice. Instead of looking concerned and confused (as Elijah Wood does in Peter Jackson's trilogy), Frodo looks disgusted at Gandalf.
That was one thing that really weirded me out about this animated version as a kid. During key interactions, the characters seemed to perform comical or misplaced emotions on their faces and it really detracted from the dialogue.
Yeah, and look at how pleased Frodo looks when Gandalf is happy about his decision to go away - like he's fishing for approval. Odd.
I wonder if the artists weren't given full context of the scene.
_Editor was smokin' crack._
I don't know why, I've heard others say this also, but I never interpreted it this way. I always saw him look with a bit of shock and surprise. Maybe it's just less clear as a result of the rotoscoping.
Hobbits don't think like us
@@ruskerdax5547yeah, I see it more as “Jesus, what the F, I thought you were wise and stuff and you’re scared of the ring? Chill out”
The 1978 LOTR movie is very underrated in my eyes. (Though what they did to Sam is horrendous)
Making him seem....special?
Yeah....real "special" and with bad dental to boot.
@@sigmus1475 They just wanted to make him more familiar with the folk of Tolkien's homeland
Oh my...Oh hurraaaayyy.
I feel that Sam deserved better. If comedy was needed, then Merry and Pippin could fit the bill just fine in their own way.
What makes Peters LotR so awesome:
15% scenery
15% camera & vfx
30% actors
40% music 🎶
Frodo's face when Gandalf says "Do. Not. Tempt. Me!" XD
The facial expressions in this film are totally wild. And all the gesticulating that doesn’t fit with the voice acting. I love it
@@ZeroCiero
The dialogue: "And he has heard of Hobbits at last. And of the Shire."
The hands: 🖐👈👐👇🤏👋👉👆👇
Frodo is like “Um, bro are you okay?…what a freak…”
@@RuthMcDougal "What a freak" 🤣 That's exactly what his face looks like!
I saw this in the theater a lot of times as a kid, and loved it, and later worked as an animator for Ralph Bakshi, so I'm a little biased, but I think it holds up really well. Of course, I wish they had come back and finished it...when the first live-action one came out in 2001 I e-mailed Ralph and listed three scenes they cribbed from ol' '78- all good swipes. He got a kick out of it, but they showed him some respect by retaining a few of his ideas. This version was also very beautifully scored.
Hey Joe! That's fantastic! Which Bakshi film did you work on? I love his stuff, and the fact that they didn't finish this project kills me to this day.... And yes, the score for the 78 LOTR is great too, I agree.
@@JackBeddows "Cool World", his last feature, in Burbank, a short walk down the hill from where I lived then. Ralph was/is a ball of energy, and would enthusiastically hire artists he met everywhere, and I knew maybe a dozen guys who had gotten their starts in the business on LOTR, "in-betweening orc hairs". I have a nice framed cel of Frodo and Sam, close-up in night colors, hanging in my office. I still love this film and its score, which I have on a Japanese CD from the nineties. Bought the tie-in book, painted the little metal figures, all when I was thirteen.
It's a truly a terrific movie. Animation let the book come alive on screen, and the rotoscoping let's it transcend animation into a beautiful blend of fantasy and reality, which is the perfect tone for the book. The mattes are fantastic too. Some character design and some of the dialogue and staging are a bit questionable, but all-in-all it's amazing. To be honest... I think Frodo in this scene is better than about any point in PJ's. Of course, I think everyone who really watches it wishes there was a RotK, but the one by Rankin & Bass has some bright spots in it. However, I love how Bakshi worked around the issues. If you ignore your knowledge of RotK, the movie concludes perfectly. It set up this idea of the end of mankind, and Helm's Deep encapsulates that well. Bakshi's LotR is epic poetry.
You worked with a legend, and I mean, as an animator you brought such works to life. That's really an awesome story, being enthralled by a movie then going to work for that same director who helped inspire you. Those are the best cinema stories imo.
@SurferJoe1 I totally agree about Ralph finishing it. His version of LOTR is still my favourite and I wish he had had his chance to complete the story.
The hobbits hiding under the tree roots, Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli running sequence are the two things I can name off the top of my head as almost copy-pasted. Scenes and designs - movies borrow a lot. I'd even go as far as calling them a reboot, rather than an original work (so to speak). What Jackson brought to the table was beautiful landscapes of New Zealand... Which he did because of his previous projects in NZ. When you think about it, it's not THAT special.
Just like Star Wars, if you've seen films of that period. I mean, R2 is a fleshed out bot from Silent Running.
Interesting, but I think Bakshi's choice to leave this scene unscored (which presumably made this video easier to produce) was legitimate. It allows the atmospheric sounds of the Shire at night to be the only background to the dialogue.
Wait, this is supposed to be at night?
@@greglaslo6371 There are stars in the sky :P
Yeah I had the same thought. I was watching the first half wondering “Is the joke that removing the score made the scene more atmospheric and dark and serious? Because this is good stuff.” I feel like the musical score kind of hurts the scene a bit and doesn’t quite match the tone and mood as well.
@@geovaughan8261 This concept got pointed out a lot in the tail end of the 2010s, where the people directing and editing movies are so afraid that an audience can't read a scene, that you have to triple down on every cue to tell them what they need to feel. No room to breath and internalize it.... just moving from one cue to another. Oh, and if something is serious, you need a comedy bit every 12 seconds to break it up.
Because music does a really good job of invoking certain emotional beats, its become overused in movie productions like rapid cuts in action scenes, and statements of observation, as they don't trust a scene to work on its own merits.
Don't get me wrong. Good music can totally elevate a scene. But now its doing more heavy lifting, to make up for deficiencies in other areas of the production. Writing especially. I noticed while watching the video that I stopped thinking about whats being said, and that my mood was completely set by the music. ..... and when I noticed it started to feel really weird. "Lets go on an adventure!!!.... wait.... wtf?".
@@freelancerthe2561extremely well put. I really wish more movies were scoreless. It would hopefully be an antidote to our overstimulated overcaffeinated brains.
The voice actors for this movie were actually trying, but the animators did such a hilarious job. Every character looks like a Disney character with a facial siezure, and the way Gandalf walks is just marvelous.
That's because they were actually actors shoot and then rotoscoped. Exactly like Disney used to do.
@@stefanocrespi5424 That's what I predicted
I think that's a bit harsh. The animation in these movies was groundbreaking at the time.
@@joeyn985groundbreaking, yes. But very poorly done. The characters' movements speed up and slow down strangely. It looks natural one second and then suddenly bizarre and impossible.
@@bbgun061 2D animation is very time consuming and I bet they didn’t have that nor the money to hire talent. That being said, yeah I agree with you the animation could have been better but I’m sure they did the best they could given the circumstances.
"Do not tempt me!" Dumbledore said calmly.
"Don't let him turn me into anything unnatural!" Ron ejaculated loudly.
@vangelina09 Geez, man, it was just an idea, chill...
When someone offers me a hit of the dab
Gandalf is the same type of creature as Sauron, so of course he would be aware of what he could become.
The music really helps the awkward silences where the characters are just gesturing and not talking at all
I love how there talking about something so serious and scary and yet as there crossing over the bridge Frodo just starts strutting like he’s so proud of himself!
😂
That's one of the odd things about this film, how the animation is so out of step with the dialog, and the fact that none of the characters can stop gesturing.
Swag Frodo smoke pipeweed every day
My man is SWAGGERING
@@Durwood71noooo my cartoon characters are too cartoony!!!
I don't get some of the hate for the animated films. They're certainly flawed (particularly with different people doing only two parts of the Lod of the Rings trilogy), but as a kid at the time, with no other Tolkien material on the screen (big or small), they were pure magic to me. This was before all the fantasy movies that came out in the 80s, and when major studios weren't doing animation. Seeing the Hobbit in two parts on TV (also the animated CS Lewis's The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe in two parts), I became hooked on fantasy. They opened up new magical worlds full of threat and beauty, and heroism. Even now I have to turn to old movies for my kids when I want to show them any serious fantasy because certainly the Rings of Power or Willow won't cut it. And even the Peter Jackson trilogy is 20 years old now. So I can't fault the animated films for being for kids, or for not being perfect adaptations or a highly polished major studio release.
This is well said. I've done my share of ragging on the Bakshi version. But I find in retrospect, it has its own charm. Either I've mellowed out or am more perceptive to the good stuff.
And the other shows you mention... The Lion, The Witch, And The Wardrobe...the 1977 version of The Hobbit is actually superior in certain ways to the Peter Jackson: certainly less cluttered.
I mention other shows where the animated is superior to the live action. Ghost In The Shell. Avatar The Last Airbender. The Disney original animated compared to the live action remakes. But I'm just gabbing away at this point.
I was only disappointed that Bakshi's movie ended where it did and was never continued. Wizards and Fire & Ice were great, too, but LotR remaining incomplete, as it is, is still disappointing.
What bothers me about the Peter Jackson version is that, as well-made as it is, he chose particular artists' visions that I didn't always think were the best of how artists had imagined Tolkien's world over the years, particularly the dark creatures. Now, Jackson's choices seem to be locked in for good with anything Tolkien-related going forward.
Also, I hate to say it, but Jackson's version Hobbit is more bad than good.
@@crimsonmask3819 I'd say that problem has more to do with lazy producers like Amazon than Peter Jackson though. Peter got people who'd been known for their Tolkien art long before he started the film to do work on it. And a limitation of live action films is that painting and drawing can be more symbolic and capture the underlying feeling and wonder, and can allow the viewer to interact with their own take, while photography locks it into the action on the screen. Personally, I prefer the more 70s aesthetic the animated films drew from.
@@rb1691 The Hobbit is certainly a bloated film that became a rush job due to studio interference. I will always wonder what del Toro, or Jackson if he was given more time to plan after taking over, would have produced.
@@jschap712 I always say I'm happy that Jackson did the Hobbit, everything else would have ended *worse*
It's crazy to me how much Frodo sounds like Elijah Wood and Sam sounds like Sean Astin. I guess that Peter Jackson was probably heavily influenced by this movie.
He admitted that he was
Peter Jackson said he got into LotR because of this movie
Yeah I actually thought they put the movie's dialog on top of the animation because this Frodo sounds so much like Elijah Wood.
i was struck by that, too. though the whole time i was thinking "Oh, Sean... they did your character dirty." it seemed like they were trying to make him a bit... mentally not all there. and more than a bit simple. there was a cartoon i'm sort of thinking of but can't recall enough details -- "Tell me about the _____s, George".
fak. can't get more than this half remembered quote. but they made that character kinda hurr durr. wish i could remember the word used as that'd help an ID. pretty sure they were animal characters?
@@lurklingX"Tell me about the rabbits, George." That was Lenny from Of Mice and Men.
Animators: What do you want us to do with Gandalf's hands?
Director: Yes.
The "Aruman" kills me
The "S" is silent. 😆
I read somewhere that the producer or Bakshi himself thought Saruman sounded too much like Sauron, so they called him Haruman instead. I first saw this movie in French though and he was called "Saroumane". That's how they spell it in the French translation of the books.
@@Xerxes2005
And sometimes they still call him Saruman…this film is such a great mess, I love it
@@warlordofbritanniait’s even worse because in the scene where Saruman captures Gandalf, Gandalf is yelling BOTH pronunciations!
I always thought he said arrowman. Strange name for a wizard 😂
Frodo Swaggins at 4:04 ? Pretty dang slick
HA!
*Brodo Swaggins... 😎👉
Dude you absolutely KILLED me 😂
This shows how much of a role music plays in conveying character emotion and the tone of a scene. The composer "shore" knew what he was doing!
I bet you think that was terribly clever !
@@AliciaB. 😜
Nice
But the other composer knew how to put “rose in, man”… dangit, puns is tough.
What I notice about this scene is how well it’s done, with music or without. In fact, I like the non-musical version a little better.
Frankly, I like the original version of this scene better. The soundtrack isn't bad, but I feel like it detracts from the atmosphere. It's supposed to be solemn and somber, these are extremely heavy issues Frodo and Gandalf are talking about. This is a scene that was clearly written to be viewed without a soundtrack backing it.
The background mattes are amazing here, and the feel of the rotoscoping is really something you don't get even with mo-cap.
I love the backgrounds in this scene. This was a great imagining of LOTR.
Rotoscoping is such an underrated animation method at this point in time and should honestly be used way more.
It’s motion capture now. I used to want to be an animator but if you’re talking about this form of media, motion capture is the new form of roto-scoping, not to say roto-scoping is a dead artform, just a different form of art form. But when it comes to more accurately animated character’s body movements in 2D or 3D it’s motion capture. Gif knows how animation will evolve in the future now that we have A.I.
Rotoscoping for animation? Yes. Otherwise, rotoscoping for matting out actors and objects in a movie shot on film? No. Absolutely not.
Joel Haver uses a form of rotoscoping for his animations.
Another great example is AMERICAN POP.
You think this looks *good*?
When I tell people about this movie, and make comparisons, I tell them that I tend to like Bakshi Frodo and Bakshi Aragorn better than their Jackson counterparts (though I still love Jackson Aragorn). But I always end it with, "And then there's Sam... we don't talk about Bakshi Sam..."
I grew up reading the books, and for me this depiction of Sam captures his heart and personality - his roots, as it were - better than Sean Astin’s portrayal. Astin’s acting is too…refined. His mannerisms and movements are not those of a hobbit who’s been a gardener most of his life. He also doesn’t LOOK like someone who spends most of his time outside.
@@kennethdickinson2591 True, but to Astin's credit, he doesn't portray Sam as a complete buffoon.
i feel like the frodos have a lot in common actually. and no, this sam will never be mentioned again. fffffGAH.
Definitely a better Aragorn in this older movie. I like him a lot more than the newer one. As for Frodo, the older version speaks a lot more naturally.
I've always liked most of the portrayals in this version (I grew up on this and the Rankin Bass Hobbit and RotK) The one that I just can't understand from the Bakshi film is Roman Senator Elrond. Such a bizarre choice
"I must go south, to consult with the wizard, -S- aruman: the head of my order. Be careful, Frodo..."
...
"BOO!!!"
(3:24) I love the last little BOO! that Gandalf gives Sam. 😉
Unironically this is the most captivating animation I have ever seen in my life. Immediately grabs my attention and I can't look away. I have to watch this movie. It's so lifelike it's unbelievable
Those dead eyes though.
1:39 gotta love Frodo's poker face
I think Gandalf “cast a spell.”
😂
I have no idea what that expression is supposed to convey.
@@Durwood71it looks to me like disgust at Merlin's weakness, but really Merlin was right to admit that he couldn't be trusted. If he hadn't been honest and vulnerable, all would be lost.
@@UltimateDorito Merlin?
1:22 Lol, Gandalfs hand motions kill me. He's like "no no no."
The only thing preventing this animation being a masterpiece on its own is not getting finished.
Always remember watching this when i was 8 and thinking that ended weirdly lol
It is finished, just not by Hackshi.
And what they did to Sam…and the Balrog…and by severing abridging the story…and the funky facial expressions on Gandalf in particular…ok maybe this was never meant to be a masterpiece but it could’ve been very good! 😂
@@jbrisbyYou shall not speak of Bakshi in this manner again, heretic
The Fascinating thing about this movie is how You watch the budget fall apart minute by minute
I watched this on the big screen in 78 as 9 year old and I still love it....Mistakes and all !
"The wizard Aruman".
Awesome treatment of this scene. FYI - For anyone wondering why Gandalf/Galadriel freak out when offered the ring...
_The more powerful the being, the quickly it corrupts them._ That's why:
A) The ring-bearer needs to be carried by the least-powerful of all humanoid species (Hobbits.)
B) The ring cannot go ANYWHERE near the Eagles. The Eagles are _the most_ powerful beings (as species go) on Middle Earth at this time.
Gandalf is a class of Archangel called _Istari_ , so he's (barely) strong enough to resist seizing the ring while traveling near it.
Galadriel - is much more powerful. She is 1/4 God, 3/4 First Age Elf. Her temptation/pull is far greater.
Both of them freak out - and give Frodo visions of what would happen once they took it. They are trying _very hard_ to get him to never do that again.
Tempted often enough - they'd succumb.
(But as a kid, this anger/freakout stuff they did just made me scared, and I didn't understand it.)
The eagles aren't more powerful than the ents, or the elves. They're servants of Manwe, but they keep mostly to themselves.
Gandalf is a maia, not a vala; valar are the equivalent to archangels, like Manwe, Varda, and Orome.
You're confusing Galadriel with Luthien--her mother was a maia, so she was 1/2 angel, half elf...which makes all her descendants (Elrond, Elros, Arwen, Aragorn, etc.) a touch of maia as well.
@@rikk319 Exactly. Galadriel is not descended from the Maiar, and Gandalf "unveiled" is definitely more powerful than she is.
I don't read it as the Ring corrupts the powerful more quickly than the weak (the resiliency of Hobbits is something separate), but rather a question of how much "damage" the person could do if corrupted. For example, Gollum/Smeagol is basically entirely corrupted by the Ring... but he doesn't become a dark lord, a Power, he uses it to sneak up on goblins and eat them. Sam's great temptation while Ringbearer is to use the Ring to... create a really big, really awesome garden. THAT's why it's far too dangerous to have Gandalf or Galadriel keep the Ring. They would not be able to resist using it to "put everything right" but as they became corrupted, the enormous power they wield would inevitably be used to do terrible things.
Trying to remember here. Galadriel was second in power compared to Feanor, but much wiser. Let’s suppose that some of Galadriel power can be applied to combat.
Gandalf the Grey barely manage to win a battle against a Balrog. Feanor ate Balrogs for breakfast.
If Galadriel is somewhere in between, I believe could beat Gandalf the Grey in power. Now now, Galadriel choose not to fight, therefore lack in experience. So in combat I trust Gandalf experience first. And then Glorfindel 😅
@@tandersan Tolkien himself said of Galadriel, in the First Age: "She was then of Amazon disposition and bound up her hair as a crown when taking part in athletic feats." Her name was Artanis Nerwen, "The Man-maiden". Until in Doriath, around 60 First Age, her husband Celeborn gave her a new name: 'Galadriel'. She loved this name so much she decided to go on with this name the rest of her life. Still...she was literally named by Tolkien as a broad-shouldered amazon type.
The Srongest Elf ever was weaker than the weakest Maia in inherent power.
It's nice when a scene doesn't have music, letting the atmosphere work its own magic
Yeah the music really doesn't fit here. It breaks the intended mood and distracts from the dialogue.
Agreed
Eh, disagree. There are times for silence. Other scenes are elevated by music and imo this was one of those scenes.
❤
You are in such a minority here, it's cute. XD
My high school English teacher loved this movie, and would play it on a VCR during study hall in her classroom (along with the first two Indiana Jones movies). Would have been around 1986-1988. Ah, memories.
Very nice. The music adds another layer of complexity and understanding to what is happening on screen.
1:39 "tf is wrong with you" 😂😂😂
the atmospheric sound is so beautiful, it really places you in the Shire.
3 time Oscar winner Howard Shore is a great artist. His use of music colors the scene and does much to guide our emotions. He has scored many films, but the LOTR franchise was truly a magnum opus of his career and will create a permanent place in the artistic archives for generations to both enjoy and learn from.
Feels more dramatic and cinematic
Everyone involved in Jackson’s trilogy absolutely poured themselves into it. But Howard Shore in particular was such a huge part of the soul of the saga.
Sam: Don't let him hurt me
Frodo: He won't hurt you
*Gandalf casually grabs a knife and*
Frodo: He won't hurt you. Much.
I so love Bakshi's animation!! It'll always have a dear place in my heart so thank you so much for this. I just must add that Mithrandir will never ever be outdone! We need ever new rehearsals of that majestic musical masterpiece and children's choir!
I love the score from the jackson films but in this case i don't think it works as well it distracts form the art work of the shire behind them
I had seen the Bakshi version so many times as a kid and had the soundtrack on cassette and then CD to play while reading the books. I can bring up that specific tune in my mind as a read a certain section or chapter now. Leonard was a fantastic composer, RIP!
Oh mark my words Peter Jackson definatley was inspired by this movie
I also don't think it's sufficiently edited to fit this scene here. The mood feels weird and clashing with the way the scene is cut as compared to Shore's music. Even if you actually asked Howard Shore himself to go back to do a score for the Bakshi film, he would do it differently from the Peter Jackson trilogy because the feel and flow is just different!
@@HawkOfGPYeah, they just took the first track from the ROTK soundtrack and stuck it under the film. It would’ve worked better with some editing.
This film was my introduction to Tolkien back in 1979 in the UK. No point comparing it to the Peter Jackson adaptation in my opinion, as they are both wonderful in different ways. Loved it then, and love it now!
I like when the rotoscope actor for strider falls over his sword and they just left it in anyway
This film is such a hot mess, you can’t help but love it 😂
Somehow I don't remember that happening. When was that?
@@BeefJerkey ruclips.net/video/5KCLdHpObBE/видео.html there you go dude
It warms my heart to see so many people find this
This old cartoon is such a mixed bag.... so unique, beautiful and ahead of its time (or today) ; but also so weird and trippy; and goofy in places (I'm thinking of the 'oh hurray' memes, and Aragorn literally tripping over his own sword.)
Cinematographer: Aragorn tripped over his sword. Ralph, should we do another take?
Ralph Bakshi: Naaah. It'll be fine.
did he break his toe when he tripped?
@@headecas Lol
Not to mention the fact that none of the humans wear pants
@@Catherine_Longstaff People didn't have pants back then--even in the 1700s men wore breeches, not pants--they went down to your knee, and your socks covered your lower legs. Pants weren't a thing until the 1800s. Any pants before then in film are an anachronism.
Amazing, I watched this cartoon over and over again when I was a child. I was hooked back then even without the music.
I like how the 1978 version gave Sam an arc and had him become a lot more serious of a character by the end...but they still made him way too childish at the beginning.
To date, I feel the best Samwise portrayal was Roddy McDowell from Rankin-Bass's RETURN OF THE KING.
Definitely agree with you on the rank and bass version
Haven't seen either of those but having recently re-read the books I feel that Frodo's thunder was stolen as the senior hobbit in the Jackson films. In this short segment Frodi does look taller and more mature than Sam.
I would love to hear the Ork chant from the 1978 film used in *The Two Towers.*
1:40
The facial expression here is priceless
Looks constipated
i had this VHS tape. i watched it half a dozen times.
i have no memory of this scene.
why ?
am i getting old ?
no, its the children.
It was this movie that introduced me to the world of Tolkien, and the fantasy world in general. Personally this movie is very important to me and also had a big influence on my love for art and creativity. As others have said - very VERY UNDERATED!
I loved everything about this especially the coloring !
Wow... even the timing of the dialogue seems more natural with the musical score of the Peter Jackson movies.
Setting everything else aside, the '78 film does an excellent job creating a cozy atmosphere that matches the tone of the books so well.
Ralph Bakshi was a GOD in my school of ART & DESIGN where he attended. We all wanted to become animators because of his achievements. This film could use an updated directors cut, with some updated special effects.
57th st?
@@baxpiz1289 - Yes.
Frodo has a pretty sassy walk for someone who's getting such terrible news.
Really pro job of editing the soundtrack to fit the old movie.
5:46 when Frodo gets back from Turkey with his new teeth 😁
I think you chose the music and pacing very well! Especially in the first minute and a half! It really feels like it was supposed on that scene. :)
Great way to demonstrate the impact of music - I’ve always said the soul of a film, or indeed videogame, is it’s score.
Thank you SO MUCH for putting PERFECT music into this NOSTALGIC & TIMELESS scene! PLEASE do more of this!
This made the scene so much better.
But they truly did ruin Sam in this movie, an unforgivable evil. Even though I liked how Gandalf basically summons Sam from a bush, as there is no prior indication of Sam being there.
29 seconds. You see the bush move and can hear the sound of Sam's shears.
Yeah, there’s pretty much no indication other than a small shake of a bush.
Still better than Sean Astins sam
I don't know about that. Sam does look like a simpleton in The Fellowship of the Ring, especially in the beginning. It is really in The Return of the King that he starts to shine. Too bad Bakshi didn't get to complete the story. I would have liked to see what he would have done with Sam's story ark.
Congratulations for nominating yourself to dubbing the soundtrack for the entire movie! I can't wait!
"Howard Shore is a genius", correct. This is a great comparison you did.
It's been so long since I've seen this, it's so beautiful. Need another watch!!
My only question is why they insisted on mispronouncing Saruman's name every chance they got.
I read that they decided to change Saruman to Aruman because they felt the names of Sauron and Saruman were too similar
@@Aenimus12 That’s most likely true but oh so disappointing. 🤦♂️ “Hi, we’re the filmmakers. We have no trust in Tolkien’s knowledge of languages and names, and no faith in the audience.”Surprised they didn’t change “Aragorn son of Arathorn” to “Aragorn son of Fred.”
THAT WAS THE SS-STUDIOS FAULT
Instill have the VHS Tapes, of the originals. Now on DVD too!
Amazing how the score of the films is iconic as the book itself. You can't do a LotR movie or series without that score
While I still love the charm of the original, you did a spectacular job, here, not just laying over a blanket of soundtrack, but editing it perfectly. The darker theme with the shaking bush, etc., etc. Seamless stuff. Great job keeping the sound effects of the original, as well.
It's definitely two different styles of directing, building atmosphere, and two different approaches at how to tell a story that comes from a book. To hear Tolkien's opinions on both would be fascinating. Hate them or love them, it would be truly interesting to listen to his commentary on the matter. I'd love to hear his take on Howard Shore's music too.
The animation feels so genuine and real in these older animated tv shows, almost like they had real people perform the scene and then draw and animate from that.
"FRODO! DID YOU PUTT THE RING IN THE RIVER OF FIRE"
Gandalf said Calmly
Dumbledalf
@@alonk1060 Ganondorf
That little hand flick Gandolf gives Samwise at the end...........Perfect.
I enjoy this animated version more each time I watch it.
I loved this film when I was a child. The newer score is amazing, really brings it home.
4:12 Simply spine-tingling.
Hearing the soundtrack makes me want to watch the movies.
Musicless scenes are powerful and underused
The music makes it much more intense. You can immerse yourself into this animation. Wonderful.
sean austin did a real good job doing the samwise accent
It's weird, its a mix of Gloucester/Bristol in the West Country and Norfolk/Norwich in the East of the UK. Both have similar accents. Kind of farmers.
I think I've seen this movie once, a long time ago. It was funny to me then, and it still kinda is. Those expressions, especially Frodo in 5:19.. But the music of Howard Shore does make a difference. It hits almost perfectly with the scenes. The Ring, Gollum, The Shire...
You did an amazing job with this clip! Very well done! I actually now want to see the whole thing again, even if I end up laughing my head off!
And yes, I agree with the comments here. What an earth did they do to Sam?!
People criticizing this movie don't understand how groundbreaking this movie was in terms of technicalities in animation and how influential it was for the later films. There are a LOT of frames and scenes that come from this movie. It's clear that Peter Jackson really liked them and used them as a creative basis.
I understand... Doesn't mean it didn't SUCK BALLS... Which it does.
Seriously huge, the cadence no longer feels like it’s so slow, the music fills the quieter moments with the emotion of the characters so you can really feel them. Sam is still weird though.
Any chance you can do this for the full movie? Amazing how the music even makes the line reads better
I actually did 13 minutes of the film and instantly got blocked by copyright claim. If the day ever comes I can put the whole shebang on my channel I'll do the rest in a heartbeat.
The og soundtrack to the movie is really good tho
Reminds me of an observation my fam made watching the behind-the-scenes to Peter Jackson's; particularly the rough cut to the council of Elrond sequence.
With the awkward pauses at the end of each take left in, and the total lack of music or sound effects; the acting _feels worse._
Made me appreciate the value of good editing. That last tightening up of all the pieces and finding the rhythm of the edit makes everything register better and you stop thinking about the actors and the stage.
The RUclipsr "This Guy Edits" did a great video where he took a crack at improving a scene from a Niel Breen movie. Notoriously stilted and hammy material, the guy was able to tighten things up and even rearranged some lines to recontextualize a character being stupid and needing the same information repeated twice, to them being panicked and "not listening", making the repeated line a dramatic emphasis "hey, focus" rather than aimless repetition.
@@ZVEB this scene is totally ruined by the LotR movie music. It doesn't need a score. the story was conveyed well by the actors and the visual. there was a reason the dirctor of the animated version didn't used music, so leave it that way.
Any chance you could complete the script, animation & score for the Return of the King?
What a drastic change to the pacing and drama of the scenes! Just by adding good music to carry the emotions. I loved these movies growing up, but even I have to admit I fell asleep more than once while watching them because they couldn't hold my focus. Now I wish the whole 1980s trilogy were set to the score from the 2000 era movies. Thank you for such a simple yet powerful demonstration of how much good music can enhance good stories.
This is great! I haven’t seen these in at least 20years and do not recall enjoying them…
I really wished Bakshi would have finished the work he started and made Return of the King it would have been more mature instead we got a childrens cartoon and WHERE THERES A WHIP THERES A WAY!!!!!
I got chills! Thanks for posting