What is Qyburn up to? ASOIAF Theory
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What a sweet old doctor he's probably healing the sick and helping children.
Right, he's just a kindly old grampa, quite misunderstood
they said the same thing about the "angel of death" Joseph Mengele - he used to carry candy in his pocket for the children he experimented on.
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I really like the idea of Qyburn using these prisoners as dialysis machines to filter Ser Gregor's blood, until the filters become too poisoned.
Yeah, like it's a pretty wild thought. Somebody pointed out that it's maybe not the most medically feasible thing. But I think that george might be overlooking that in favor of like the rule of cool?
@@randominternetguyoffical I also agree he's probably not a real necromancer, but I don't doubt he at least believes he could practice some minor magic on Gregor. Tyrion unskeptically assumes the secret entrance to Varys' chamber has a spell on the stone slab to make it lighter, so there is an example of a well educated, reasonable person being unquestioning at the notion of some minor sorceling being present. And the alchemists refer to spells involved in the making of wildfire, spells which are seemingly actually affected by the 'rising tide' of magic since they did empirically produce more wildfire than they expected to. Unless they were just pulling Scotty's "Miracle Worker" exaggeration to make their production seem more impressive. The maesters think there's no magic at all, but we already know both that that's wrong, of course, and also that Qyburn is willing to dabble in some anathema for his research. I think Qyburn could at least be attempting to perform some sort of magic on the substances he's applying to Gregor and attributing some part of his success to it, regardless of any actual efficacy to it. If he could ressurect Gregor with no head, or the head of another Robert slapped on if you wanna get fun with it, you'd think he might have been able to save Jamie's hand Moqorro style or something. That'd definitely put him in the good graces of the royal family.
rule of [ aaaaaauuuuuuuuugggh!] more like!@@randominternetguyoffical
@@eric2500 rule of medical malpractice XD
oh yeah that too!@@randominternetguyoffical
Qyburn is definitely GRRM's take on Dr. Frankenstein. He's a charismatic scientist/doctor who creates an 8 foot tall undead monster with unspecified medical techniques out of corpse(s). On the surface he seems like a good man but underneath he is a bigger monster than his creation. In the original novel, Dr. Frankenstein crafts his monster's body parts with materials he gets in "the dissecting room and slaughter-house." Cersei is handing over people for Qyburn to experiment on. Mary Shelly was also similarly vague on how Dr. Frankenstein specifically brought the creature to life.
I also don't know why you are hesitant to say that Qyburn is using magic to create an undead monster. Qyburn names Marwyn as the only one in the Citadel who liked his ideas. The fact that Qyburn even brings up Marwyn implies magic is involved in his experiments. I cannot think of a character who brings up Marwyn non-negatively that *isn't* an incredibly sketchy magic user.
I do not think that Qyburn is working for any big players or has any grand goals but rather he's exactly what he seems to be. He's a mad scientist/necromancer who wants to perform his horrible unethical experiments. Qyburn will work for anybody who will allow him to perform them and Cersei is the only one foolish enough to do so. Think about how the Citadel tolerates Marwyn and even made him archmaester, awarding him with a mask made of Valyrian steel, but banished Qyburn. Marwyn is up there with Euron and Bloodraven as the sketchiest characters in the story. Yet somehow Qyburn's crimes must have been at least perceived as worse than anything Marwyn has done.
I don't know that just bringing up Marwyn means that Qyburn is using magic...
But certainly at this point we, the reader don't have any major reason to think so, like we haven't seen anything. We just hear him say that oberyn used magic to thicken a poison.
I suppose we'll have to wait and see if there's any big lab reveals. But I don't know if he's quite a dr frankenstein either.
@@randominternetguyoffical Marwyn is tied to magic everytime everyone talks about him. The first chapter and last chapter of AFFC leaves it clear that Marwyn is trying to experiment with magic, that's why he embarks to "help" Daenerys. Mirri Maz Duur is also someone tied to magic that mentioned Marwyn.
I think that Qyburn is a necromancer/mad scientist that is binding shadows to animate Gregor's corpse. He needed those women that Cersei sent to him to use them as surrogate mother for shadow-babies like the ones Melisandre made, but is binding them to the physical world so they can control the corpse. Qyburn probable raped those women or opened them alive to use their womb and experiment on them.
@prieterico okay, surrogate mother's for shadow babies is actually one of the more interesting and intense theories i've heard, to be honest 😳
@@randominternetguyoffical That would be why he needed women on his experiments, can't see any other reason why he would need women to reanimated Gregor, so it must be that he's using them for their female organs. I think on it like how it's described that some mysticists and alchemist tried to created homunculus + the way Melisandre and Stannis created the shades they used to kill Renly and take Storms End. Qyburn might had ended up studying black arts in Ashai or roamed Essos to acquire more obscure data on the subject, now that magic returned to the world he went full Dr. Frankenstein.
Homunculi research, Melisandre, Bloodborne and Berserk had something to do on my reasoning about it haha I might be first one who thought this way about it, but I haven't looked enough in the fandom to see if that is the case
You have exceeded George in horror just now, you honestly freak me out, please wear a large sign around your neck at all ASOIAF fan gatherings with "prieterico" on it so I can leave any room you are in.....seriously man, DAMN!@@prieterico
I would argue that swapping out body parts and blood from living but unwilling hosts to keep the Mountain alive is still some Dr. Frankenstein-esque behavior
I mean, kinda, but I guess I think of Dr. Frankenstein being even a lil more extreme, idk maybe I'm off a lil in that perception tho
@@randominternetguyoffical I totally agree that there's a distinction between the two, but I can't help but see the similarities in the basics of what they're doing. Both are taking parts from disparate bodies and combining them in a single body with the intent to have the new body live. The horror in the Frankenstein story comes from the end result of that exchange where the horror in Qyburn's case comes from the beginning of the exchange and the fact that it's more a gruesome theft. I'd love to hear a conversation between Dr. Frankenstein and Qyburn, but I doubt they'd agree on everything the other had to say
@@ZendikarMage42750 A meeting between the two would certainly be some epic fuckin literature!
I suspect the head he sent to Dorne was one of the big dwarf heads Cersei got as a present. And he told Doran ahead of time.
I think this is highly likely, like could be a random head, but those head are the focus of a few scenes so like it would make way more sense if the head sent to Dorne was like Penny's brothers head..
I was to write the same but now I instead liked it that more people can see. Dwarf heads are larger than that of normal humans.
It is often noted that the dwarves killed in the hunt for Tyrion have large heads, so i think one of those was the skull sent to Dorne
I also think this could easily be the case!
"You know him, you love him, I dont know how the phuck to pronounce his name!" Hahahaha. Perfect opening line.
In my head canon Qwhyburn is an agent of Doran, just like PJ's wonky Deeper Dorn theory. I've also heard that Robb's head might be on The Mountain's body, thus the "Ser Robert Strong" moniker. Either way, the dude is scary. What he did to the Blue Bard, and that lady that Bronn evicted, is scary AF man.
I like this theory.
I also really like the idea that he is working for Dorne, I think it fits with a ton of the things we hear in the series.
Glad you like the intro too XD
I think this is main idea of Qyburn being like the Roman surgeon Valan, just way advanced for his time in modern medical ideas is less tin foil and more on the likely side. He was the only known maester in the main story who actually studied the human body to the degree needed to get an idea of how it all works. Where the tin foil can come in is the "how."
For instance I like to think he has tubing and a pump ready made by nature of the COTF. My tinny guess is that he uses weirwood roots for the tubing and a piece of a weirwood stump as the pump. yeah I know cover me in Tin Foil and call me Mr. Reynolds, but I like it.
One of the few newer characters that I actually think the show casted perfectly. The books describe him as looking and seeming like a kind old grampa, but he's dark and twisted in actuality
Tbh, I think he indeed started to delve into necromancy along with medicine. Maesters try very hard to convince everyone that magic isn't real in general (think glass candles), but it is indeed pretty real. We have various stories about necromancers like Dagon Drumm and Morgon Banefort, Mel said that the Others are practicing necromancy pretty much and Thoros too does the same thing and he never answered the "Can you bring him back without a head?".
Bran's vision also hints at Gregor not having a head or if he has, he doesn't have control of his body at all (head empty) similar to the wights.
There were shadows all around them. One Shadow was dark as ash, with the terrible face of a hound. Another was armored like the sun, golden and beautiful. Over them loomed a Giant in armor made of stone, but when he opened his visor, there was nothing inside but darkness and thick black blood.
- A Game of Thrones - Bran III
I think that Gregor is very much dead, the "no head" doesn't sound that crazy either, tbh. Qyburn's whole character looks like the magical equivalents of doctors from WWII to me. They were doing some crazy experiments for the sake of science and I mean really messed up stuff, pair that with magic and you have some crazy things.
I also see big parallels between Qyburn and warcrimials, someone brought up the kindly outward face of Mengele and that was something that came to my mind on my first encounter with Qyburn 0_0
I could easily see Gregor as being devoid of mind, like having the head but being manipulated or drugged up by Qyburn. The line definitely hints at it hard with the "thick black blood" line. Id say that's some of the best indication of a headless Gregor!
sorry RIG, YT is misplacing my responses again.@@randominternetguyoffical
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How scary can he be?
Personally, the tickler scares the shit outta me... but like I'm hella ticklish so that's probably a contributing factor...
@@randominternetguyoffical 🤣🤣🤣 i guess it is a little scary if someone you don't know comes and tickles you.
@kelechukwupraise6224 always terrifying 😳
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On a somewhat related note, what would house Randym's words be?
we did do a "head transplant" on a couple of monkeys. (just kept them un attached except for the main veins and arteries to keep the heads blood flowing. except we switched the bodies.) i think one woke up and ate some ice. they both died the same day if i remember correctly. idk if you'd call that a success but its official human lore.
I think it's definitely beyond the realm of Qyburn..?
But who knows with that guy 😂
Thanks again friend.
Let's go! Evil doctor grandpa. I like the Preston theory that the Brave Companions is the mercenary group Oberyn started in Essos. And that they are secretly working for Doran Martell. It's nuts but I like thinking that Qybern is in league with the Dornish. I don't belive it. But it's fun.
I too love this idea and it melds well with some seeming random Sandsnake dialogue!
Qyburn = Dornish Agent
Do Quyburn and Marwyn know eachother? I don’t remember anything in the book about that. But a mad scientist disgraced Maester and a crazy Wizard Maester must have at least heard of eachother if not had a few beers together at some point.
I do recall this and I would love to find out how much they chatted, cuz they certainly had some common interests.
Qyburn mentions that Marwyn was the only one that valued his work at the citadel. Lmao
(NOTE: Following is from the POV of a Pharmaceutical Science STUDENT at Uni, so do take some of what I say with salt, pepper, and a third, suckling, greasy thing served on a tray of steel with an underside of boiled leather)
I'm personally more of the neckless-multiheaded necro goop monstrosity that's the friendly best boy Robert Strong :), but i do enjoy the initial idea you propose of a magicless alternative.
My only issue is that it would basically consist of transfusion and organ transfers, which well... Will just kill him faster than the poison. The main reason why Organ/Blood donation isn't so great typically is because of rejection, and since he's getting his donations from Stokeworths to þucking Tyroshi dwarf-head sellers, I really don't see him coming across anything that wouldn't just kill lead to pus and blood a week later.
Also, even if he somehow got a complete miracle, and it turned out that the puppeteers where an ideal enough... how about immunosuppression? Like, literally outside of 1:1 same cell donations, people who've had organ donations need immunosuppressions to help prevent as much as possible rejections, even with generally ideal matches.
OK, but I hear you say that through the miracle of Sure, Why Not, Quyburn can produce immunosuppressants, what's the issue now? HE LIVES IN THE MIDDLE AGES 😭😭😭 IN ASOIAF 😭😭😭 DAENERYS NEARLY DIES OF POOPING TO DEATH, ROBERT STRONG WOULD BE ÞUCKED😭😭😭
(Also, no of this explains why he isn't seen eating, drinking, or pooping, from sources that have no reason to lie about this)
TL;DR, I do agree that Robert Strong is probably not as purely magical as most make it out... but also, clearly *something* more is going on than just your stock standard "Gave him a plaster and a kiss and he got better and when :)"
So personally, I think of it. George is foregoing a bit of the realities of this kind of medicine in order to get the cool factor but one could easily make that argument for head swapping. So I understand that it's not really like a different argument. I'm just arguing in a different direction 😂
Funny how you argue with sience and think he has a different head. We both konw that ether way would not work in real life.
When I read the book, I never thought of that they cut his head of. I frist read about it on the internet. I would not make any sens if the Martells get the real skull because then later Cersai could not be exposed as a liar because the Mountain would be dead as promised.
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Thank you again for the artwork! So glad you've enjoyed the videos and wild ramblings XD
Another mystery about Qyburn is where his allegiences lie. Is he just self-serving in the pursuit of knowledge and thus attaches himself to Cercei for the power and means to carry out his research? Or is he a plant of someone or some cause?
Preston Jacobs' theory about him being part of the Dornish plan seems like a stretch to me, but at the least Qyburn is in the perfect position to manipulate Cercei and certain events in King's Landing.
I personally really like the idea of him being a Dornish agent it weaves Dorne in well and if fits with a few otherwise kinda random line of dialogue that crop up in Feast. But it's certainly an interesting topic no matter who he's serving if he is serving someone lol
What is often overlooked is the fact that George RR Martin has read a lot of works by H.P Lovecraft. I propose this: Qyburn isn't just based on Victor Frankenstein, but rather on Herbert West: Reanimator. Why? Well, for one in the original books Victor Frankenstein isn't a mad doctor, he isn't even a doctor at all but a student who was afraid of his creation. The madness and SCIENCE were movie inventions. Herbert West however, was all about science and research, ready to abandon all morals and good sense in the name of progress. Oh, and minor detail: in the novel Reanimator, Dr. Herbert West practices medicine in the town called Bolton. Funny coincidence that, eh?
Thats a very cool insight! I might have to look into the reanimator book if I have time!
Who says GRRM is only influenced by books? The idea of a mad scientist reanimating a monster, even if its more from the film than the novel is still an iconic motif that has ingrained itself into our culture and could very well be an influence.
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Qyburn. He's doing it for science.
Much like a Westerosi Bill Nye
I could’ve sworn Circe sent the head of the previous high septon to drone.The one who was implied to of gotten his office with some bribery on Tyrion. Though I admit it has been a while.
That would be an awesome twist! Now, I'm super curious if that happened...
I thought perhaps one of the dwarves' heads that she was given.
But wouldn't it be even creepier if it were Gregor's real head, and that Robert Strong is headless?
Soul-bound to a Glass -Candle
Gregors soul??
Jo sounds neat.👍
One thing that makes me highly doubt he's just doing normal medical intervention is the purpose of mr. "Strong". He clearly is experimented on so that he can be used again as indomitable fighter, and this will be straight up impossible if he's a living person constantly under strain of recent poisoning and a string of operations on top. He will be weakened, with multiple operation wounds mid healing, and definitely feeling very far from good.
It could be an interesting turn if he actually gets into combat and is immediately dismantled by his opponent, but I doubt JRRM is building up to this.
So my money is currently on undead Mountain.
Whatever is going on with him, it's gonna be pretty awesome when he does come out to fight in a trial!
I wonder if Cersei is going to have like a trial by seven kind of thing??
Absolutely headless. So much more creepy.
The reveal is gonna be great no matter what XD
What do you think of clegane bowl do you think it'll happen in book??
Arya asked Thoros if he could bring back someone without a head in the cave
He said no right? or did he just dodge that one??
@@randominternetguyoffical dodged and said sorry about Ned
What is he up to 🤔
I know right? What's that wacky guy doin??
theory:
Qyburn is the age that the last Tarbeck or Rayne would be. Is there a possibility that house Tarbeck or Rayne had a single son who would be slightly younger than Tywin but learning at the Citadel when they were all killed? While there is little evidence of this in the narrative, the Rayne's of Castimere is a) a main theme in the story and B) has no furtherance at all. Could it be possible that it was Qyburn who was slowly poisoning Tywin? The last son of a dead house exacting revenge is a common trope in ASoIF. I know some will point to the fact that he healed Jamie and didn't kill him, but killing Jamie right off wouldn't have allowed him to play the long con and get into the service of the Lannisters, allowing him a shot at Tywin. Qyburn - Tywin even the names are similar. Could Qyburn be the last scion of house Rayne or Tarbeck and cause the final fall of house Lannister?
Gods you're so good. That Tywin funeral scene is so good. Cersie chapters in Feast is so good. Pure intrigue. Could you imagine the event of the lifetime that is the release of Winds? I want you in the mix when the book drops. Could you please do a series dramatizing the books 📚 🙏 🤔
I'm really glad you enjoy the readings. They don't seem to be the most popular thing but I really like doing them.
I've done a few chapters so far from the books. Only three but I'd like to start doing more eventually 🙂
@@randominternetguyoffical I'll check them out
@@mongezimaepa The most recent one I did was the house of the undying, but the first 1 I did was 1 of the final Santa. Chapter is from a storm of swords and I still think that one holds up pretty well
I will say people overlook how evil Euron and Kal Drogo are not to mention the the others the nights king the bloodstone emperor. The ghiskari the valyrians are. But i digress
Do we know why Qyburn lost his chain? I'm wondering if it's because he managed to light a glass candle. Binding Gregor to a glass candle to stop him dying would be in keeping with the in-world lore on the undead.
Algormancy!
For the algorithm!
WtF made Qyburn even think it was possible to do WHATEVER it is he did to get Robert Strong back online and running? He couldn't do shite like that BEFORE? So what changed? Who did he learn that new bit of rez-magic information from? Well-he learned HOW to do WHATEVER he did to Robert Strong AT Harrenhall. Prolly the name Strong is also a clue to this. Roose burns a book when Arya walks in on him at one point. THAT book was ALSO read by Qyburn. There is a sort of change here-Qyburn goes on his own, Roose flips sides. THAT book is what gave Qyburn the knowledge he needed to be able to make Robert Strong happen. It means Roose has that same knowledge as well. O-whispering disembodied heads are loosley covered in Brienne's chapter heh
That is very interesting, I will have to go back and take a look at that section of the book!
@randominternetguyoffical yeah-it's between an Arya chapter and I think Jaimie's? But the book thing-THAT is an Arya chapter. So that means we are supposed to make note of it lol. Honestly-it is the ONLY thing that makes sense for Qyburn's new knowledge. I STRONGLY suspect that book also has something to do with why Roose flips. But for sure it has to be what teaches Qyburn how to actually rez the dead. He can sew em back together ALL day long, perfectly. BUT he can't bring life into the dead until Harrenhall.
Interesting and well thought out, but I respectfully disagree. I think the most likely explanation is that he’s using a combination of magic and medical knowledge. ASOIAF is still a fantasy story and magic is a real force in this world. Using a hellish combo of magic and science makes the most sense for explaining how Qyburn was able to raise the mountain. Perhaps some of the prisoners were used as blood/organ donors and others were magical sacrifices - only death can pay for life.
Odd its girls organs or blood for a giant warrior.
lol probably a Frey, tell me random internet guy, where were you at the time of the red wedding? TELL ME
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Sorry I must come to defend this good old guy. He has done nothing wrong. The gray sheeps are afraid of his desire for sience. We have done the same things as he did in your world to get knowledge. It is a shame that you compare him to evil guys such as Remsei.
Fair point...
lol you do kinda hate a lot of my favorite theories
It's okay, I act all pretentious like I know better but my theories are equally as insane XD
Im the guy who came up with "Hoster Tully was Aborted" and "Howland Reed killed Arthur Dayne with a Fishing Net"
😂 I can’t tell if you’re joking or not…yeah those are…not likely to pan out 🤣
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The net is.. oddly well supported, so it sounds tin but it has a decent chunk of support which is surprising to be sure.