The panelist brought up some good points. The bottom line is, the lack of government to provide universal health care forced manufacturers to automate and lay off workers in order to survive. It was capitalism that brought all the wealth to Detroit. We need more capitalism and less government in America.
+TopShelf Point taken. America suffers from crony capitalism and the insane UN sustained development program of which the US gov't is fully committed to...
Of course, capitalism never had anything to do with Detroit's success, and everything to do with its demise. To pretend that Detroit automakers did not have a HUGE headstart after Europe and Japan were demolished in the 1940's is disingenuous, at best. Capitalism then decided that maximum profit would be gained through PLANNED OBSOLESCENCE, hence the total crap produced by Detroit during the 70's. While true that corruption played a role, it was the greed of capitalism that killed the auto industry in America. With every advantage, with a huge skilled labor force, with a decade or more headstart, the need for ever increasing profit and an alliance with Big Oil tanked the whole thing. Standard Oil and General Motors were CONVICTED in FEDERAL COURT for fraud in 1949 stemming from their scheme to by up all the trolly cars in American cities and mothball the system. Capitalism caused the demise of Detroit.
+Pot Dragon It also demonstrates the consumers power in a free market. Today if Detroit automakers were still the same size as then they would've probably been designated "Too big to fail..."
Pot Dragon Please explain how the capitalist ideology of men like Henry Ford, Walter Chrysler, and the Dodge brothers had nothing to do with the success of Detroit and the auto industry. Was it government that created that wealth?
+TopShelf Henry Ford made a big chunk of his money selling to Adolf Hitler and the Nazis in the lead-up to WWII, look it up. What does the government have to do with the question? Here's another question. If Ford, Chrysler, Dodge had changed after WWII to worker co-operatives, in which the profits were shared equally to the workers/owners and the workers had the opportunity to strategize the direction of the company (not the closed-group board of directors/major shareholders) do you think Detroit would be better off today? Why do you equate capitalism only with wealth creation? There are other forms of economic models that have proven better.
Great story especially as I just spent two days last weekend attending a satellite location of Trinity Institute's Listen for a Change: Sacred Conversations for Racial Justice. All the speakers agreed that racism is only a symptom and exists in conjunction with all the other isms. Emilie Townes - A People's History of Race, Eduardo Boniilla-Silva, Kelley Brown-Douglas - Soul Searching in a Culture of Control.... and many others. Rich conversations are rising up. Check out the resource list. Common themes of the criminalization of the black body and the institutional constructs that marginalize black lives.Keep these interviews coming!
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+Critical Perspective I have found that Capitalism in itself is more of a cultural mindset than an actual system which comprises of those very things you just listed, the various prejudices and preconceptions inherent within, an astute observation this interview has also made. It is very much a structural issue, and it is a very painful existence, a very wearying one indeed, to be aware of such a thing at all times with no way to extricate oneself from it.
Yeah, thats right. This is were I live alright. It is a sacrifice zone. Come to Detroit and look at what it has become. I live near there. I go to Wayne State University and I see it everyday. You talk about terror, I've been terrorized alright. The suburbs have been turned into safe havens for the people of Detroit who are forced to flee a zone of desperation and darkness. Come to Detroit to look into abyss of what Detroit has become. Look into the cavity of darkness and see what it is. Come to Flint and look into the economic disaster that Flint has become. For all the commentary from our so-called news media, especially the pimps and whores of msnbc, fox, cbs, and nbc to come here and cover the post-industrial disaster much the same way you all covered Hurricane Katrina. Because it is one in the same. I am angry because we all should be. This is a tragedy that corporate America has inflicted on us, I am tired. I am tired of doing this day after day. year after year, propping up this system of death and destruction. Detroit, Michigan has become what America will become, a hallowed out edifice. First the African American community is targeted than the middle class. It was no accident. Yeah, I've been terrorized alright. Thank you Chris Hedges for covering this!!!
Excellent!
My favorite (paraphrased) 'they'll pay to incarcerate but not to educate'.
Chris Hedges, a true patriot, deserves the recognition from all Patriots.
The panelist brought up some good points. The bottom line is, the lack of government to provide universal health care forced manufacturers to automate and lay off workers in order to survive. It was capitalism that brought all the wealth to Detroit. We need more capitalism and less government in America.
+TopShelf Point taken. America suffers from crony capitalism and the insane UN sustained development program of which the US gov't is fully committed to...
Of course, capitalism never had anything to do with Detroit's success, and everything to do with its demise. To pretend that Detroit automakers did not have a HUGE headstart after Europe and Japan were demolished in the 1940's is disingenuous, at best. Capitalism then decided that maximum profit would be gained through PLANNED OBSOLESCENCE, hence the total crap produced by Detroit during the 70's.
While true that corruption played a role, it was the greed of capitalism that killed the auto industry in America. With every advantage, with a huge skilled labor force, with a decade or more headstart, the need for ever increasing profit and an alliance with Big Oil tanked the whole thing. Standard Oil and General Motors were CONVICTED in FEDERAL COURT for fraud in 1949 stemming from their scheme to by up all the trolly cars in American cities and mothball the system.
Capitalism caused the demise of Detroit.
+Pot Dragon It also demonstrates the consumers power in a free market. Today if Detroit automakers were still the same size as then they would've probably been designated "Too big to fail..."
Pot Dragon
Please explain how the capitalist ideology of men like Henry Ford, Walter Chrysler, and the Dodge brothers had nothing to do with the success of Detroit and the auto industry. Was it government that created that wealth?
+TopShelf Henry Ford made a big chunk of his money selling to Adolf Hitler and the Nazis in the lead-up to WWII, look it up.
What does the government have to do with the question?
Here's another question. If Ford, Chrysler, Dodge had changed after WWII to worker co-operatives, in which the profits were shared equally to the workers/owners and the workers had the opportunity to strategize the direction of the company (not the closed-group board of directors/major shareholders) do you think Detroit would be better off today?
Why do you equate capitalism only with wealth creation? There are other forms of economic models that have proven better.
Really insightful piece on the real history of Detroit.
Excellent!
Great story especially as I just spent two days last weekend attending a satellite location of Trinity Institute's Listen for a Change: Sacred Conversations for Racial Justice. All the speakers agreed that racism is only a symptom and exists in conjunction with all the other isms. Emilie Townes - A People's History of Race, Eduardo Boniilla-Silva, Kelley Brown-Douglas - Soul Searching in a Culture of Control.... and many others. Rich conversations are rising up. Check out the resource list. Common themes of the criminalization of the black body and the institutional constructs that marginalize black lives.Keep these interviews coming!
+Critical Perspective I have found that Capitalism in itself is more of a cultural mindset than an actual system which comprises of those very things you just listed, the various prejudices and preconceptions inherent within, an astute observation this interview has also made. It is very much a structural issue, and it is a very painful existence, a very wearying one indeed, to be aware of such a thing at all times with no way to extricate oneself from it.
Yeah, thats right. This is were I live alright. It is a sacrifice zone. Come to Detroit and look at what it has become. I live near there. I go to Wayne State University and I see it everyday. You talk about terror, I've been terrorized alright. The suburbs have been turned into safe havens for the people of Detroit who are forced to flee a zone of desperation and darkness. Come to Detroit to look into abyss of what Detroit has become. Look into the cavity of darkness and see what it is. Come to Flint and look into the economic disaster that Flint has become. For all the commentary from our so-called news media, especially the pimps and whores of msnbc, fox, cbs, and nbc to come here and cover the post-industrial disaster much the same way you all covered Hurricane Katrina. Because it is one in the same. I am angry because we all should be. This is a tragedy that corporate America has inflicted on us, I am tired. I am tired of doing this day after day. year after year, propping up this system of death and destruction. Detroit, Michigan has become what America will become, a hallowed out edifice. First the African American community is targeted than the middle class. It was no accident. Yeah, I've been terrorized alright. Thank you Chris Hedges for covering this!!!