Thank you for your courageous work Chris and Allan, I hope the future holds places for others of your character to continue it, for we shall surely need those voices.
This was a very interesting conversation. You both suggested that it is important for the powers that be to keep an ongoing level of tension in place to justify these actions. It seems that these conversations are a part of that. Issues past, present and future are discussed, but no point of corrective actions are proposed. Start making and presenting concrete steps for change.
Gg Mo This election cycle has unfortunately proven that so many Americans get their so-called "news" from cable networks and official propaganda outlets such as Fox, CNN and MSNBC. At the same time a lot of people shake their head and roll their eyes when you tell them that you get your info from the internet.
@@itzenormous In other words, the same propaganda outlets that every nation has? Especially considering how every nation has their own propaganda outlets.
"The people united will never be defeated - not true, the people united get defeated all the time." Geez. Thanks for ending the interview on a hopelessly depressing note, bud.
As Glenn Greenwald pointed out: we've been inculcated to think that politicians are above the law. It does seem, especially in the West, that the rule of law doesn't apply to the political class.... And the rule of law is a very conservative position.
Alan keeps referring to South Africa but without going into any details. Anyone have more info about American death squads/covert involvement in South Africa?
Isn't impossible to prove that ISIS cannot be controlled and isn't it inaccurate to claim that the US can't control them? You may not be aware of proof, but absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Hedges has admitted that the black budget of the US military is enormous and can only be estimated. And then there's Rumsfeld who said that 2.3 trillion was unaccounted for in the Pentagon's budget back in 2001. Can you imagine what control that sort of funds can buy?
I've used that sow to the wind and reap the whirlwind analogy to describe things too. God, if you do intervene, have mercy on us who have resisted and stood for what is right.
Tariq Ali is the living legend who organized big processions against the Vietnam War in late sixties, when he was the President of Oxford University student union, My Q is that Vietnami Govt applauded his services to awards him
We must come together and focus on solutions. Focus groups, brainstorming groups. There are many of us and few of them. We can do it. Lets get started. Beating the drums of the problem will never move us forward.
Satisfyingly authoritative-sounding discussion! Missing, though, is a pair of elements without which these findings are deniable and therefore dubious even among supporters of 'the revolt'. First, an account of what is actually functioning as the rationale for the lossing of terror killing in these countries--what were our guys honestly and sincerely doing this FOR? And second, what is it that makes an army like Indonesia's or even homegrown mercs in Latin America willing to go out a kill thousands of their own citizens? What's the fear driving men into such savagery? We killed lots of people but racism designated them as unworthy of respect. What's going on in these other circumstance?
***** America isn't a democracy. So first you would have to explain how a country that isn't a democracy, goes around the world spreading democracy. simply taking a countries resources is a violation of international law and a war crime. This is an old trick the U.S. has been using throughout central/south America, Africa and Asian lands. Assassination of leaders, supporting coupes and arming numerous sides of a conflict. This is imperialism. We don't need to forcefully take the oil if you destabilize an entire region and have people willingly sell it to you for cheap for their own survival with a currency that we also control and manipulate. Learn histroy. Research the multitude of war crimes and genocides America has committed in order to control regions around the world and then move forward from there.
While I reject the argument that the American bourgeoisie and two parties can't find the money necessary to solve our economic problems, and I reject the idea there aren't ways of using democracy to get a hostile representative assembly to do the right thing, industrial democracy doesn't cost a penny, at least in theory, not the way huge social spending programs do. So if the American center left finds itself in control of the executive branch without the immediate resources to ease the downward mobility of the American working class, or lack of influence in Congress, a movement for industrial democracy could make gains just by the fact that for the first time, an explicitly pro-labor radical democrat may be president and would therefore have huge influence, and very visual bully pulpit from which to push labor and the social-political towards reorganizing itself. Not everything the government does has to be in the form of policies or directives. The millennial generation received an education that was explicitly hostile to organized labor. I remember having economics classes where the text books not only rejected all socialists in general, but also denigrated unions. My generation was taught that unions were actually worse than capital. There was no shortage of glorification of entrepreneurs, investing, accumulation of interests, and speculation over production. In the 90s in Oakland County school districts, the entirety of our economic and social curriculum glorified capitalists and their 'successes' and the invisible hand of the market. But most of our generation has never had enough money to even think of investing in the first place. What we really needed in our economics and social science curriculum, was an explanation of what to do when capitalist theories don't work for you because you have no money. No one taught us how to use social services like food stamps in the event we were underemployed. after all, the whole reason we let our minimum wage slip so low was because it was assumed that people would have access to medicaid and food stamps if they had inadequate income or employment. Of course, then the Republicans made it impossible to get social welfare, especially if your a man. No one ever explained to our generation that if you are getting ripped off by your boss, there are alternatives to legal action, namely unionization. No one ever told us you don't have to kiss your bosses ass and wait for a promotion just to have a job that will make ends meet. Why would the baby boomers, after all that shit in the 60s, sell out their kids so quick? I will never understand. Why would an entire generation think it was better that the next generation have LESS industrial democracy instead of more.
Listen to this interview from radio station 94.1 KPFA, San Francisco. The speaker is F. William Engdahl, Journalist. I hope you find the interview provocative and informative. Best wishes to all. Here is the link. kpfa.org/player/?audio=250067
Interesting, informative, and...sickening, actually. Then, towards the end...starting around the 26:30 mark, Allan begins giving what seems like an insight into, or explaining what's "really" going on, to Chris...which is no insight at all. Dynamics even I understand as almost a given as far as Iraq/Afghanistan/the Middle East goes.. Haven't we known since forever things like outside forces (like the U.S.) gave rise to organizations like Al Quada, ISIS, ISIL, etc, and haven't we've also known that whole region is completely uncontrollable? We know it, the Russians know it, the Brits know it, everyone already knew that...it's not news, Allan. Surprising to hear him "explaining" this to Chris, of all people. I'm nit picking, I know.
Why would the US need foreign capital to start up the American workforce again, and rebuilding manufacturing, so long as we control our own national resources, it seems to me direct action against and at least partial socialization of the big banks is the only way to really free up capital to be put at the disposal of workers groups and labor and environmental movements. I understand the third world position that they are the most immiserate workers and need the most immediate relief. But that's not what historical materialism teaches us. Also, the third wordlists line was developed when the American work force was 50% organized and sometimes earning more than the value they produced (although this was uncommon). But this labor aristocracy no longer exists, if only 6.7% of the workforce is unionized, and wages haven't kept pace with production in 30 years, there really isn't this dominance of third world workers by first world labor movements. American capital exploits the third world but this allegation doesn't make sense regarding first world workers anymore. If anything, this indictment might make more sense of European workers, but it seems decidely un-Marxist. I don't think we necessarily need a 20 dollar minimum wage like Denmark, but establishing basic socio-economic justice and security and industrial democracy doesn't have to negatively impact foreign workers.
so these people were sure that ISIS was a US operative, and they were intellectuals in the nations affected. You couldn't convince them otherwise. And I suppose you are the expert. I proved ISIS is an Israeli and US operative. But you are sure ISIS is independent of the US.
Thanks for the misinformation. This is propaganda that people really like to agree with, and I understand why. But this is just conspiracy after conspiracy.
Great interview
yea but have any of these 2 been murdered by america yet for telling the truth, because thats what usually happens.
Thank you for your courageous work Chris and Allan, I hope the future holds places for others of your character to continue it, for we shall surely need those voices.
We never see these stories on U.S. tv news; we go to the Internet.
because big business owns all the US "news" networks.
The more you learn about the west,the more disgust you will get
Best episode yet. Thanks, Chris.
Chris Hedges is amazing--a real voice of moral authority in an amoral America.
This was a very interesting conversation. You both suggested that it is important for the powers that be to keep an ongoing level of tension in place to justify these actions. It seems that these conversations are a part of that. Issues past, present and future are discussed, but no point of corrective actions are proposed. Start making and presenting concrete steps for change.
..as fascinating as this conversation is... and it is truly fascinating- isn't this what Gore Vidal was saying 40 years ago ???
+Cameron “Keith” Lowes Yes, and nothing has changed.
Yep
Gg Mo This election cycle has unfortunately proven that so many Americans get their so-called "news" from cable networks and official propaganda outlets such as Fox, CNN and MSNBC. At the same time a lot of people shake their head and roll their eyes when you tell them that you get your info from the internet.
Yeah, : "United States of Amnesia" Gore Vidal
@@itzenormous In other words, the same propaganda outlets that every nation has? Especially considering how every nation has their own propaganda outlets.
Mr. A.NAIRN
Should be given the Congressional Gold metal of Honor.
Miquelon Gray medal
The death counting medal.
Deep gratitude for the work you are offering the most humble of the world. We are emboldened by the truths you bring the world.
Very good and accurate interview.
"The people united will never be defeated - not true, the people united get defeated all the time."
Geez. Thanks for ending the interview on a hopelessly depressing note, bud.
I am so glad to see from the comments below that there are fellow Americans who are nauseated by all this. And by our hypocrisy.
I feel the Burn. Time for reset. Allan Nairn is amazing. I think he should be appointed Secretary of State.
As Glenn Greenwald pointed out: we've been inculcated to think that politicians are above the law. It does seem, especially in the West, that the rule of law doesn't apply to the political class.... And the rule of law is a very conservative position.
i'm pretty sure he's wrong about the US not intending to create ISIS
V interesting thoroughly enjoyed this interview 👍
Alan keeps referring to South Africa but without going into any details. Anyone have more info about American death squads/covert involvement in South Africa?
Isn't impossible to prove that ISIS cannot be controlled and isn't it inaccurate to claim that the US can't control them? You may not be aware of proof, but absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
Hedges has admitted that the black budget of the US military is enormous and can only be estimated. And then there's Rumsfeld who said that 2.3 trillion was unaccounted for in the Pentagon's budget back in 2001. Can you imagine what control that sort of funds can buy?
thank you
I've used that sow to the wind and reap the whirlwind analogy to describe things too.
God, if you do intervene, have mercy on us who have resisted and stood for what is right.
Tariq Ali is the living legend who organized big processions against the Vietnam War in late sixties, when he was the President of Oxford University student union, My Q is that Vietnami Govt applauded his services to awards him
Salute the great patriot, Chris Hedges.
what is the name of the song at the beginning
darude-sandstorm
@@thievingcthulhu8632 no its not
Wow what song started the video?
Now I worried to see what they might do to Venezuela and what effects it might have on neighbouring countries
Rule by fear was the policy and still is the policy of the USA in central and South America.
We must come together and focus on solutions. Focus groups, brainstorming groups.
There are many of us and few of them. We can do it. Lets get started. Beating the drums of the problem will never move us forward.
Listen to Ken O Keefe....and ALL becomes clear on the political front .
will Chris Hedges ever talk about the partisans?
This stuff is written in serious magazines and newspapers all the time
Satisfyingly authoritative-sounding discussion! Missing, though, is a pair of elements without which these findings are deniable and therefore dubious even among supporters of 'the revolt'. First, an account of what is actually functioning as the rationale for the lossing of terror killing in these countries--what were our guys honestly and sincerely doing this FOR? And second, what is it that makes an army like Indonesia's or even homegrown mercs in Latin America willing to go out a kill thousands of their own citizens? What's the fear driving men into such savagery? We killed lots of people but racism designated them as unworthy of respect. What's going on in these other circumstance?
Brave man and journalist who had he reported it today would be standing beside Assange. On some fake charge.
The question becomes why all this killing. Why create instability in so many foreign countries?
going2sleep Control of resources/control of powers
+Chancelor Grey The same ole' same...the same ole' same!
***** America isn't a democracy. So first you would have to explain how a country that isn't a democracy, goes around the world spreading democracy.
simply taking a countries resources is a violation of international law and a war crime. This is an old trick the U.S. has been using throughout central/south America, Africa and Asian lands. Assassination of leaders, supporting coupes and arming numerous sides of a conflict. This is imperialism. We don't need to forcefully take the oil if you destabilize an entire region and have people willingly sell it to you for cheap for their own survival with a currency that we also control and manipulate. Learn histroy. Research the multitude of war crimes and genocides America has committed in order to control regions around the world and then move forward from there.
Chancelor Grey What you are saying, the multitude just doesn't want to deal with or really acknowledge.
***** Sadly It seems they don't.
seems like hedges wants to interview himself
While I reject the argument that the American bourgeoisie and two parties can't find the money necessary to solve our economic problems, and I reject the idea there aren't ways of using democracy to get a hostile representative assembly to do the right thing, industrial democracy doesn't cost a penny, at least in theory, not the way huge social spending programs do. So if the American center left finds itself in control of the executive branch without the immediate resources to ease the downward mobility of the American working class, or lack of influence in Congress, a movement for industrial democracy could make gains just by the fact that for the first time, an explicitly pro-labor radical democrat may be president and would therefore have huge influence, and very visual bully pulpit from which to push labor and the social-political towards reorganizing itself.
Not everything the government does has to be in the form of policies or directives. The millennial generation received an education that was explicitly hostile to organized labor. I remember having economics classes where the text books not only rejected all socialists in general, but also denigrated unions. My generation was taught that unions were actually worse than capital. There was no shortage of glorification of entrepreneurs, investing, accumulation of interests, and speculation over production. In the 90s in Oakland County school districts, the entirety of our economic and social curriculum glorified capitalists and their 'successes' and the invisible hand of the market. But most of our generation has never had enough money to even think of investing in the first place.
What we really needed in our economics and social science curriculum, was an explanation of what to do when capitalist theories don't work for you because you have no money. No one taught us how to use social services like food stamps in the event we were underemployed. after all, the whole reason we let our minimum wage slip so low was because it was assumed that people would have access to medicaid and food stamps if they had inadequate income or employment. Of course, then the Republicans made it impossible to get social welfare, especially if your a man. No one ever explained to our generation that if you are getting ripped off by your boss, there are alternatives to legal action, namely unionization. No one ever told us you don't have to kiss your bosses ass and wait for a promotion just to have a job that will make ends meet.
Why would the baby boomers, after all that shit in the 60s, sell out their kids so quick? I will never understand. Why would an entire generation think it was better that the next generation have LESS industrial democracy instead of more.
may the rEvolution of consciousness prevail.
Cheers to all those awake. Good luck in the coming times. 🌎✌💚
chris, brilliant and courageous, just too bad he doesn't believe God is going to step in very soon and fix this morally corrupt, and violent world
Listen to this interview from radio station 94.1 KPFA, San Francisco. The speaker is F. William Engdahl, Journalist. I hope you find the interview provocative and informative. Best wishes to all. Here is the link.
kpfa.org/player/?audio=250067
Interesting, informative, and...sickening, actually.
Then, towards the end...starting around the 26:30 mark, Allan begins giving what seems like an insight into, or explaining what's "really" going on, to Chris...which is no insight at all. Dynamics even I understand as almost a given as far as Iraq/Afghanistan/the Middle East goes..
Haven't we known since forever things like outside forces (like the U.S.) gave rise to organizations like Al Quada, ISIS, ISIL, etc, and haven't we've also known that whole region is completely uncontrollable? We know it, the Russians know it, the Brits know it, everyone already knew that...it's not news, Allan. Surprising to hear him "explaining" this to Chris, of all people. I'm nit picking, I know.
Did Noam Chomsky eat The Beatles in the garden, please?
toby keiths got a ford truck.
Why would the US need foreign capital to start up the American workforce again, and rebuilding manufacturing, so long as we control our own national resources, it seems to me direct action against and at least partial socialization of the big banks is the only way to really free up capital to be put at the disposal of workers groups and labor and environmental movements.
I understand the third world position that they are the most immiserate workers and need the most immediate relief. But that's not what historical materialism teaches us. Also, the third wordlists line was developed when the American work force was 50% organized and sometimes earning more than the value they produced (although this was uncommon). But this labor aristocracy no longer exists, if only 6.7% of the workforce is unionized, and wages haven't kept pace with production in 30 years, there really isn't this dominance of third world workers by first world labor movements. American capital exploits the third world but this allegation doesn't make sense regarding first world workers anymore.
If anything, this indictment might make more sense of European workers, but it seems decidely un-Marxist. I don't think we necessarily need a 20 dollar minimum wage like Denmark, but establishing basic socio-economic justice and security and industrial democracy doesn't have to negatively impact foreign workers.
So much for Ben and Jerry's, if that radioactive crap is falling in Vermont.
USA. No more WOR😈😈😈😈😈😈 U.S.A. No MORE WORE!!!!!!!!!
must see
Thanks for the Russian Air Space Force in Syria. They got their you know what kicked hard
what about Obama admitting to training of ISIL!?
We're not so bad, all powers do it. So that justifies murder and assassinations I suppose. At least in a fascist's opinion.
Hardcore
Joseph James S. Stalin?
so these people were sure that ISIS was a US operative, and they were intellectuals in the nations affected. You couldn't convince them otherwise. And I suppose you are the expert. I proved ISIS is an Israeli and US operative. But you are sure ISIS is independent of the US.
Right wing death squads coming to the north east soon. Go hide in Canada
GOOD INTENTION! lol
what are they smoking?
Unwatchable garbage. Tried twice, but couldn't make it through.
Thanks for the misinformation. This is propaganda that people really like to agree with, and I understand why. But this is just conspiracy after conspiracy.
Get your head out of your ass, maybe you'll see the light
Yeah, right! And how many Pulitzer Prizes have you been awarded? Go home, troll! Back under your bridge. That’s a good little troll.