Atheist Came to Challenge Shamsi But ENDED up Praying with him - Speaker's corner
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Best way to give Dawah, simple clear straightforward and to the point. You don’t need to study or use philosophy or all that to prove a Creator.
Thank Allah for Islam.
this is philosophy which he used lol.
@@skywalker1296 philosophy based on Quran and not based on some atheist who doesn’t even know if he exists or not
@@hamedkorin2693 The prophet pbuh was also a philosopher.
There is nothing wrong with philosophy as the wahhabis claim
@@skywalker1296 you meant use of analogy?
Exactly, it’s simple something is created by a creator or not, simple!
Shamsi is so straightforward! Everyone else who discussed with this guy were wasting their time, they should have said 'go discuss with Shamsi' cause he keeps it simple!
He keeps it simple by ignoring pretty much everything the other guy says and spouting the same, predictable rhetoric. The guy made some good points but he flat out skirted around them.
He didn’t even understand what the guy was saying and he substituted that conversation with his nonsensical questions.
He asks those around if they understand and they just nod brainlessly.
@@lordlordylord4281 No, he has his own way of talking. If you don't like it, don't watch or talk to him
@@syruseye Nope, the atheist guy was asserting his philosophy on Shamsi. And English isn't his first language anyway
Being an atheist is like being on a sinking boat and trying to drown others with you. May Allah guide him if he's sincere.
There’s no atheist in a sinking ship they would also be praying to god
Being an atheist is not believing in any fairytale gods like you are.
Please demonstrate the danger before attempting to scare everyone with your fairytale.
@@tiktokasylum5186Wrong. Plenty of atheists died without praying nor had any faith.
When your "argument" is " I am looking for THE truth and I will do everything to stay doubtful about anything TILL I find it " !
Be assured that you will find the TRUTH ! ....and that will happen immediately after you leave this life !
hahaa
I'm muslim and I do not appreciate this clickbait
Lying is a sin, please change the title
Yes it is stupid actually and yes it is a sin
sFDawah is always trying to clickbait people... It's deception... Wallahi this is what Ibn Taymiyyah taught these liars... They cannot spread the truth except by cloaking it with lies...
God already crucified for your sins
Verily you have spoken the truth.
This is lies
Indeed,I am also scratching my head wondering,where did the Atheist went to pray with brother Shamsi?!?!
Shamsis Dawah to Islam is incredibly effective.
Dawah according to sunnah Will Always have good result
Nah, thats just the way the videos are cut. Everyone considers him rude with bad manners.
effective at deceiving
He’s clueless
@@hermitally419 the fact you just sad this proves you are lying he never cuts his videos iv seen same clips from different people who recorded from a different perspective. Shamsi is never rude maybe cus you are a hater you try to lie to destroy Islam but it wont work like that
Shamisi is straight to the point, Masha Allah keep going brother brother.
Again Shamsi has taught me something very important, it’s not logical to debate something with someone that is uncertain about a topic, khalas!
Thank you teacher Shamsi 🙏🏽
Love brother Shamsi for the sake of Allah. No NONSENSE straight forward ☝️
P2 - Must Watch!! For People Asking about the Praying...
ruclips.net/video/h6Nf3G9_Ang/видео.html
Wow, that simple example was awesome.
I think Tony is searching & was trying to understand, he seems learned, he just needs to let his heart find the truth..
hahah
lol 'because I am uncertain, you also have to be uncertain!' - What kind of thinking is this? May Allah guide the man to islam.
I really pray none of my children or descendants ever be like this uncertain man, what a depressing state Subhanallah
Ameen
There’s nothing wrong nor depressing with saying “I don’t know”.
Pretending you have answers when you actually don’t is far more sad.
You don't need to be an expert in Science to know your Creator ! Period
Mashallah ❤ Allah is an overwhelming truth! No need to debate him.
Its easy logic that if you see a chair you would understand somebody made it. Now think about something far far more sophisticated and complex and full of design.
What’s your evidence that there is a creator?
Our response is to deliver massage, which is simple.❤
Shamsi is a good brother masha Allah...he knows his stuff.
That atheist could understand the question if he had honest heart. He just wants to appear as wise and the question was pinning him down so he just didn't listen to the question fully.
not really, shamsi doesn't do ilm-ul-kalam and was refusing to debate him on that grounds
Look how wonderful the Qur'an is, the atheist came into the discussion as if he's loaded up for anything Shamsi would use as backup but eventually became dumbfounded to answer simple question. “Did you create yourself or you were created by nothing? ”.
And he claiming there's a third choice which he himself can't state and ended up avoiding the question. Subhānallah
thats a nonsensical and dishonest question
THIS is the reality we live in. One guy speaks eliquintly the highest form of engish but SHAMSI is terrible at speaking english YET when examining closely he speaks more truth than the guy speaking with tons of pretty words.
Just because u didnt understand the white guy doesnt mean he didnt say anything meaningful. It just means u need to go edicate yourself
@@junaidamin5137 to understand Shamsi that's a proof he is educated
@@junaidamin5137 prophet muhammed was ILITERATE man yet he created a following of bilions of people 1 of every 5 people in this world is muslim. You get doctors who smokes 4packs of sigarettes a day and you get scientist who dont believe in god and some scientist who do believe thers a god. you even get scientist who believes something could come form nothing so please your point is ABSOLUTE MUTE.
@@junaidamin5137 That's why he phrased his words his own way.
Exactly!
Just being a good native english speaker doesnt make you highly educated..
"Knowledge is power"!
Thats why shamsi burned this theist from the get-go!
Spotless response by Bro. Shamsi that bring with ceritinity.
How many disbelievers here pretending to be Muslims and sating bad things 🤔 about Shamsi. We are tired 😫 watching ridiculous 😴 long videos of Muslims debating atheists. Alhamdulillah Shamsi doesn't do that.
Shamsi isn't playing there 💪
"You talk with surety" it's called YAQEEN
Certainty
Inshaallah shamsi get jannatul firdaus. He only talks from the quran and the sunna.
May Allah bless our Muslim Brother and Sister. Ameen..
Man like Shamsi Allahhuma barik I love this guy he don’t business gangster
Gay
wow the insincerity towards the end is unbelievable. The guy wouldn't answer Shamsi's quite SIMPLE question!
He won't answer because if he answered it then he is certain about something and therefore he goes against his illogical principles
what was simple about Shamsi's question? it was incredibly difficult to understand.
I believe the question Shamsi asked was: is it the absolute truth to everybody that non-existence can not create something? I believe the answer is no. I don't know if in all cases (especially very close to the Big Bang) where it is considered that the laws of physics as we know them break down that we know or may ever know what happens. These conditions are so completely foreign to us that we can't be sure that what applies in our current conditions can be applied to these conditions.
@@reactionary what?
Lol
Dude you must definitely be related to the white theist guy!
💯
@@youssefzoro5087 exactly!
Thats why shamsi said: 'take care'..
Cause the white guy was clearly being dishonest!
... So which part has the athiest "ENDED up praying with him"?
Subhanallah asalam walkuim, the brother made a mistake simply by trying to say shamsi ended up praying but instead wrote and him.
P2- ruclips.net/video/h6Nf3G9_Ang/видео.html
He didn't want to be filmed when he was praying...
May Allah bless brother Shamsi well spoken 👍
indeed i think my brother Shamsi he is not successful in his answer to Mr Tony , the question of Tony is - as i understood him - that there is a hypothesis that the cosmos is eternal , and for me the answer be as follows : in the first the belief is by heart and in unseen things , and secondly as we know and as we study with physics that our world ruled by a very strict and accurate rules , so the rules have come before the substances of our world so our world not eternal because its rules have come before it , so it is not the first , and as we see that those rules runs into harmony with each other to create our world so there is no absurdity and therefor there is a purpose . and as we learn in physics how much the rules of our world it is too consistent and ramified so the probability of coincidence it is still declining ...
Title should be certainty vs uncertainty. Masha Allah great debate
Stop lying in your titles. It doesn't help the dawah. I'll definitely unsub the next time you do something like this. There are other channels that broadcast these dawah on YT. May Allah help us all.
Maybe he means playing, not praying. Just husnudzon with brother
@@wendyoscar3175 yeah right
U should know this isn't Shamsi's channel
Best way of presenting God to athiest
Its best only when he is also having complicated questions answered as well
In the boat of uncertainty enjoying being ignorant they are all going in right direction. While making mocking those whom struggle and strive with certainty.
When hazrat saleh a.s was asked to show proof they wanted the impossible, so a camel was brought forth from the mountain and she was pregnant, even the they denied the creator. Moral of me writing this is if the person doesn't want to learn and understand even the prophets had the same argument with their people...hearts are dead,
the first law of thermodynamics only applies to a CLOSED SYSTEM.
The atheist logic is in itself illogic. He says those are the only options you know. Shamsi asks for 3rd option yet he’s not able to provide
Everything in this universe born and die this proves that universe is not eternal
Brother Shamsi is not there to waste his time on people waffling and goobly goop!! 😂😂
He's there to call people to 'Al-Islam' and to educate them if they are sincere.
For every effect there is a cause, therefore for every intelligent, willful effect there must be an intelligent, willful cause, no room can be left for chance for then creation can never occur, intelligent design is the definite proof of the Existence of the intelligent all encompassing Creator , Allah. Glorified is Allah high is he above all Existence.
the cosmological argument has nothing to do with a "prime mover"
It is better to speak to somebody open minded then wasting time with this clown
I muslim ... I proud of you all Shamsi .. Ali .. Muhammad Hijab .. Hamzah and all..
We muslim a one .. don t blame each athoer .. every one have style himself .. every one is difrent like Al Quran said ..
The Great Imam never blame another Imam ways ..Hanafi .. Maliki .. Syafie ... Hambali they have their ways but steak togater with Allah and propet Muhammad s.a w..
Than why i see you not close to great Imam blame each athor..
Shamsi immediately discounts that his methodology is not philosophic (Kalam) as is the way of Muhammad Hijab. Shamsi is presenting a position based on Yaqeen. This is not to discount or propose a refutation of Muhammad Hijab's approach of metaphysical argumentation. Shamsi's position is fundamentally Qur’anic in it's understanding and presentation.
This is the very first time I appreciated Shamsi's debate.
the problem with atheist are they are playing with philosophy and rethoric, that's why uncertain always comin indirectly, shamsi just want straightforward about this universe originator coming from
Shamsi I’m sorry you need to work on your English communicative skills. Your questions make no sense
Alif, Laam, Raa'. These are the Ayats of Revelation,- of a Qur'an that makes things clear.(QS Al Hijr: 1)
But if they see a Sign, they turn away, and say, "This is (but) transient magic." .(QS Al Qamar: 2)
No vision can grasp Him, but His grasp is over all vision: He is above all comprehension, yet is acquainted with all things.(QS Al An'aam: 103)
Atheist says : There is physical rule and there is random things. I see there is contraction or paradox in atheistic views.
Your free will is the biggest proof what else you need
What Free Will ?
@@srnp0007 his Brian to think
@@frankgilbert361 :-
In Islam A Believer is Not Supposed to Think.
May Allah bless the brother shamsi
Is there a part two because I want to see the part where he prays with him
Link in bio
One more false click bait and i am unsubscribing. Can't take religion from liers.
That atheist guy doesn't understand physics at all.
1. Its the law of conservation of energy that states energy can neither be created nor destroyed NOT 1st law of thermodynamics.
2 The law of conservation of energy applies to closed systems which the universe is Not because its infinitely and continuously expanding.
If Shamsi said Does this statement an absolute truth, yes or no? It would’ve been easier.
But it seems to me that the man was struggling to understand the question because of how the question was formed.
He didn't wanted to answer...
Bruh
We all understood the question including him.
Even a non native speaker can understand
haha, not just the man. I don't think anybody watching was able to understand the question. I still don't.
Next time, just ask can 0+0=1, if they say errrmmm...just walk away. These skeptical minds want the truth but when truth is presented in a universal mathematics, they doubt 0+0=0 and start becoming skeptical that 0+0 can =1 🤷🏾♂️
How can you EVER conclude on truth if you doubt basic math 🤷🏾♂️
Its like nothing will ever satisfy these people
There's absolutely nothing in math that proves the existence of a god. Nothing...
@@thedude0000 🤣 never said there was. Its a simple question to see if a truth claim can be achieved as all atheists become super skeptical when it comes to the question that a Creator might exist.
Its such an obvious answer to such an obvious question but atheists will still errrrrr and doubt that 0+0 might equal 1 🤷🏾♂️
@@thedude0000 0 x no matter what number you put in front will always equal zero because nothing how ever many times is still nothing. That necessitates that there had to be something always there for us to even be here. We call the one who was always there god.
@@waleed-un3wk _That necessitates that there had to be something always there for us to even be here_
NOBODY says it was nothing...that's just a theist strawman. As for calling it god, THAT'S WHERE THE PROBLEM comes in.
It's simply an assertion on your part without evidence.
@@freeyourmind7538 atheist become skeptical of a god claim, because THERE'S NEVER BEEN A DEMONSTRATE that a god exist.
The whole "0+0=1" is a red herring on theist part. It's an attempt to deflect from providing actual evidence that a god exist.
He is looking for the truth And the quran says
"indeed this is all as true as the fact that you can speak"
Shamsi bro
Ask him
Are you human?
He should say im not sure uncertain😂
Since when a statement can be an absolute truth? You can say any statement you like but if it contradicts reality then its a false... Shamsi doesnt seem to understand his question thats why the atheist wants to clarify something and cannot answer it directly because its an ambiguous question.
Atheists can't clarify because they are uncertain about everything.
Top man
Shamsi believes he is right,so he is not open to anyone else's opinions
What’s the click bait about ?
@John Brandon what do you believe in?
@John Brandon By what means? Which scripture do you subscribe to?
@John Brandon so its a fairy tale when shamshi believes in god but not you ahahahah the hypocrisy johnny boy your crumbling
This video is not match with video .
Please change the title.
Jazakallahu khairan akhi
ruclips.net/user/shortsr0v4fALuID8?feature=share
Delete your comment inshalla
My dear brother , he doesn't pray with Shamsi in none of 2 videos.
If you saw him pray then I apologise to call you lier but the fact is that your video is not match with the title which is wrong.
So please change the title and I will delete my comment.
Jazakallahu khairan akhi
@@samufc3485 if they say he prayed why are you doubtful when people heard the guy say at the end I want come and pray too and there was video to show the wudu as well. SubhanaAllah fear Allah
I changed my comment akhi but the title is wrong base on the video which is wrong.
I hope you understand my point too.
Jazakallahu khairan akhi
He asks you first wrong question ,
The judge needs Evidence to charge you or dismiss their isn’t debate atheist or Muslim between
"Greek philosophy of skepticism or doubting everything"
Only if non-muslims didn't doubt whatever they saw they wouldn't have become a Muslim
Shamsi does it again, alhamdulilah!
I missed the part he prayed with him
we all missed it. some shameless individual lied and posted a clickbait title.
@@reactionary Not quite. He apparently DID pray with them after this, it just wasn’t filmed or put in here. That’s what many who witnessed it are saying. But I still think it shouldn’t have been mentioned if it wasn’t going to be shown as it makes it look like a lie
Link in bio
His understanding of the Law of Thermodynamics is flawed. He left out the part that energy is neither created or destroyed IN A CLOSED SYSTEM.
As always when a person is lost they have been covered from the reality infront of them,
How can a thing be a thing without no begging, every living things has begging you born and you Die that proves everything have begging and end 💔 no matter who they are except the Creator Allah don't have begging or end everything that has begging has ending times
What brought god into beginning?
man is arguing over everything, Shamsi brought Christianity once, and he quickly said "let me defend Christianity" 🤣
1+1=2
this guy : we don't know that !
SHAMSI PUT THIS GUY INTO HIS PLACE BY SAYING SOMETHING THAT CERTAIN -
EVERYTHING HAS CERTAIN THINGS ~ NOT BASE IN THE UNCERTAIN1
The Bible/Torah/Koran was not handed to mankind by a god,...
nor was it dictated to human stenographers by any gods;
all written by men!
The Olden Testes Bible/Torah were just fables from the stone ages by oral tradition...
the Bible, a books of fables, was VOTED on by a group of men after the 4th century;
the Koran was just the copied and demented dogma of a selfish and petty despot....
There are no gods...
[btw - any objections to these historical facts must be accompanied with evidence
to prove the existence of any gods/allahahas claimed]
This guy is incredibly confused and wishes to have everyone else become just as confused - uncertain 🤨
What is the best evidence for Islam and how do we know?
7:37 the brothers handshaking hahah
Where how to find the full video.. And when they were in mosque... Did he convert?
Blind faith is not TRUTH
You’re an atheist. So You're also following so called god dosent exist blindly. Without proofs
Where is the Athiest praying with Shamsi as according to the title of this video ?
On the other clip
I guess he ended up praying with him behind the screens...
bro Shamsi is simply not educated enough to give da'wah to people like this man. he needs to study ilm-ul-kalam. the agnostic was quite nice but brother shamsi kept dismissing him because he didn't know what else to say
LOL Ilm ul Kalam? So what Allah sent down to His Messenger ﷺ isn't enough, what a kufri statement.
People who use kalam can't even convince anyone. Shamsi used Quran and sunnah and literally 3-5 people accepet Islam from him. See "DUSDawah" channel and see the proof there.
Now lets see how many people have accepted Islam after M.Hijab's Ilm ul Kalam "dawah" . You can't even find a video or two where that happens.
Lets see Uthman ibn Faaroq, also uses Quran and Sunnah only and look how every week they publish video with 1-4 new Shadadas taken.
Lets see Muhammad Ali who is also known from speakers corners, no Kalam and people accept Islam after his easy to understand explanation.
When Hijab speaks, you need a dictionary. This is a old joke that is based on a fact. No one understands when he speaks, specially when he is trying to prove that we are created by Allah.
This is because what Allah sent and what His Messenger ﷺ used to give dawah with works. Aristoteles nonsense doesn’t.
" *But, but its not about NuMbERs* " Yet people, educated or not seem to perfectly understand those who use Quran and Sunnah and Ahl kalam are not convining anyone. Using a haram way to achieve khair never works.
Not to mention, the Salaf specifically forbid to use Kalam. Here are some quotes of some Imam's:
Imam Ash-Shafi’i رحمه الله said:
“The creed which I hold is the same creed the Muslims before me were holding, namely, the Testimony of Faith: “There is no god worthy of being worshipped except Allah, that Muhammed is the Messenger of Allah, and that Allah is above His ‘Arsh, above the heavens. He descends to the lowest heaven whenever He wishes.” [Al-Juyush al-Islamiyyah, Ibn Al-Qayyim, p. 93]
Abū Dāwud and Abū Hātim narrated from Abū Thawr: I heard ash-Shāfi‘ī say: *nobody ever turned to Kalām and was successful* .
[Siyar A‘lām an-Nubalā‘ (8/241), authentic]
Imam Ahmad said:
"Whoever is given to Kalâm will not succeed, and whoever is given to Kalâm will not be free from becoming Jahmite."
[Source: al-Dhahabi, Siyar A'lam al-Nubala 11:291 and others]
Imam Ahmad said:
"Do not sit with the people of Kalâm, even if they are defending the Sunnah."
[Source: Ibn al-Jawziy, Manaqib al-Imam Ahmad p. 205]
There is a Chance it is eternal????
U can witness so many super novas, asteroids, comets exploded to smitherines.
jazakallah brother. all these atheist theories are problematic and has no good ending. the quranic way is the correct way.
yes in deed
The guy is looking for the sun with his eyes closed
I thought the same tbh but maybe after he went we don’t know let’s not judge we are not 💯 about it
When/where did the atheist pray with Shamsi?
no, its a click bait. shame on the one who wrote the title.
@@samiirrrr
A lot of exaggerated titles too.
Why is the title is misleading? He didn’t prayed with him?
Any physicists here? What is this man talking about Thermodynamics what his point isnt it wildy known or consensus that the most plausible explanation for the Universe that physicists hold to be true the big bang theorie? so what is he yapping about?
Why would you put such a misleading title.
the brothers give this clown more time than he deserves
No don’t say that - he is a nice dude and respectable.
@@S.Mir786 ive watched hours of debate with this guy he is a waste of time not sincere at all, if he wants to lead himself to hellfire who gives a f but there a people just waiting and need to listen to the beautiful message of islam.
SHAMSHI HIT THE NAIL WITH THIS GUY DEEP DOWN HE KNOWS ALLAH EXISTS AND ISLAM IS THE TRUTH.
😊😊😊
Emoootionallll Damage! @ 09:19 lol!!!
Lmao shamsi said walahi you going too technical...mi love you as a shia hahaha
A challenge to Islam for reformation is a book read it
Please don't make click baits. It is prohibited, you guys don't need that.
This isn't shamsi's channel
What's up with the sound once again?
dont clickbait for some mere views bruh...not expected from you
Whats Lonzo Ball doing at Hyde Park listening to Shamsi?
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30 By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.
Where did he pray?