I hope they never get rid of console otome, because I don't think mobile games are for me. Love and Deepspace is my first gacha game, but I'm already falling out of my honeymoon phase with it. The pacing is harmed by the gacha nature of it. I know this is to push people to buy packs in the store, but with people like me it just backfires and I start to lose interest instead. Sometimes i just want to play the game, ya know? Not just spend days grinding. I would love a console game with Love and Deepspace's quality minus the gacha aspect, but I'll still always love the 2D games too.
So true! I also hope so too especially considering how much money gacha games make compared to console games .. Totally understand the pacing aspect! I also can see myself stopping to play it when I've run out of content and have to wait for the next release....I try to enjoy LD in a really slow pace not too play through everything in an instant 😆 I'm also fine with different kinds of games! But for such high graphics games it needs a big budget ...
😂 Oh honey Love in Deep Space is not the worst of the grind, in fact it’s easy. Lovebrush stresses me out chasing the event, when the event is like an overstuffed turkey.
@@imari9997 Haha, yeah, if I'm already stressed at the thought of leveling up my memories in Love and Deepspace and you say it's one of the easier games for grind, it confirms that mobile gacha games are not for me.
i didnt even start love an deepspace because i also lost the last years alot of times the interest on mobile gacha games. I love to pick up a game and play it when I WANT and not a game that forces me to play everyday stamina system... so i prefer also switch or pc otome without any gacha system. And honestly if i wanna date a hot 3d char then i would pick Astarion in BG3 he atleast looks more realistic from the model design.
@@LivSnowflake Right? Exactly. I just want to play at my pace. Also, heck yeah, Astarion! Although, I'm going for Wyll currently. There's always Garrus from Mass Effect too. Or Alistair from Dragon Age. Come to think of it, we have plenty of 3D men!
Personally, I will always prefer "complete" console games - which I can pick up like a good book. Fascinating stories with great characters and beautiful 2D art. There are so many talented artists out there with their unique styles. And when I play games by RiRi, Satoi, Kagerou Usuba, or even Sui Ishida, their art adds invaluable value to my gaming enjoyment. This is something I miss from games like Love and Deepspace - it feels cold and somewhat generic to me. But I definitely agree that the entire gaming industry has missed the market for games aimed primarily at a female audience for decades. And the broader the market becomes, with more competition and diversity, the better. Definitely great times for us otome lovers!
Yes! I also hope that those unique styles will be preserved as well as our traditional visual novels 😍 at the same time I'm super excited for new innovative approaches! So true! Really hope there will be continues support for the female gaming taste ☺️
I looove gacha otomes, as much as I love some console ones. But most gachas are terrible. I can play Tears of Themis with almost no worries about things I can't get for free. But other games are terrible with their monetization. Like Love and Deepspace, it's such an awesome game (the interactions, the battle system), but it's so greedy that its revenue will stay at the current level. If they actually made an interesting story with more chapters released (they're currently planning on releasing 2 chapter every year, every chapter is less than 40min long), they could come close to half the revenue of Genshin, but as it is with terrible events and nothing for free at all, it'll probably fall into the fifth part of Genshin's revenue, or even lower. I enjoy gachas only because I can follow that story and universe for years and years and I don't need too much commitment since they only drop new story every month or so, and new events, new ways of interacting, AU stories etc. Lovebrush Chronicles is great at that as well, it's a shame the Global version is terribly managed and rushed as hell, wrecking my will to follow it.
Traditional 2d otome games focus on story telling. Those gaccha game focus on sucking our money (there’s not much stories - like water drops one by one for months -years😂, there’s not much character development) etc.
That’s so false that gacha games do not have that much stories, many of them continue through events and take it a slow run to extend the longevity of the game. They have to be slow for the long run.
Gacha games do have storylines. Some of them have very compelling ones I have been playing otome games on and off for a decade now and I have never liked the whole "you need crystals for this interaction" or "you don't have enough points for this outfit" type of situations Gacha games don't usually do that. You have the main storyline and no matter what, you can progress through it without those situations. It's the extra content that is gated behind pulling for characters or cards. But you can choose to go for that content or save for the next one. I prefer this model for otome games
For me, the thing that made me so immersed in Love and Deepspace was when I made my character she actually appeared in the special dates. I have tan skin, and trust me when I say I don't need my female lead to look like me or be me. I sometimes just prefer reading a romance of two characters rather than ever feel like 'I'm' romancing the male character. But man, it felt so nice just to see a darker skinned female lead be loved, held, kissed, etc. I like the differences a gatcha and console game can have. A more complete story with a defined female lead, and a gatcha one where female character customization can make you really feel that bond. I doubt console games would have that option, that feels like it would cost too much for production and it probably just isn't worth it. Or who knows maybe there is one who has that, just always fearful cuz most games might have dark skinned options but they don't look...'pretty', idk it feels wonky. But who knows, it isn't something I'm begging all otomes to do, but probably my standard for gatcha otome games.
It has, but none of them are gaining super a lot of traction. I’ve seen Eng, Japanese and Chinese ones and they are still for a very niche audience, it’s very good to get a thousand downloads already
@@LinLinLavendereven if they are it's hard to introduce them to people. I even promote some that have english subs or many other pc games that they can use sugoi translator on but nobody ever tries.
@@LinLinLavender yukari abyss would be the biggest since it got ported but there has been at least 4 i three money at in 2023 and we're all funded there's spicy option sweet options and very diverse ones out there
Strangely, even though I am so happy at all of this growth in the community which I hold the most close in my heart, I am so heartbroken Rejet don't produce games anymore...
The company that made those has actually released a TON of their otomes on Nintendo switch. That consoles a visual novel power house. Phone otomes suck and just take all your money 😂
I am positive that you have helped it grow too. After I played my first Otome game I found your channel immediately after, which helped me learn more about the genre and games that I didn't know about. So thank you very much! ❤
I hope the localization boom will last till my Japanese is so good that i don't have to worry about whether a game gets localized or not anymore 😂 Thanks for the informative video! A personal milestone for me when it comes to animation in VNs in general is "Witch of the holy night", the animations in this game are just so good 😍 I'm not a fan of self-insterting so I like a style like this more than what "Love and Deepspace" is doing (also the characters look so smooth they kinda unsettle me)
Sounds like a perfect plan! I think you still have a few years 😆 Glad you find it informative 🥰 Oh haven't heard of that game yet! Haha, I can understand how that's unsettling 😂 better know your boundaries ☺️
One thing I would love to see is animated cutscenes in otome. There was this one anime I heard of that was based on an otome. I can’t remember its name but the best endings had animated cutscenes and they were great! Game hasn’t got an English release.
Animated cutscenes are very expensive. Nowadays a lot of otomege is cost cutting. Older games used to have some animated cutscenes just like an anime but now there's no more of that.
I didn't know that! Sounds amazing! But yes, as otomate admitted, at least they don't have the budget...but maybe other companies will try that out again
My wish is for companies to breathe fresh air into the visual presentation of console titles. I was baffled when they released games for the switch and didn't implement lip movement and blinking. Come on, even the PSP had those! The idea of more dynamic live-2d seems lovely to me. I also was a huge fan of the cinematic scenes in Bustafellows and the moving backgrounds, it added so much to the atmosphere! I recently played "Witch on the Holy Night" which has hands down the most stunning visual presentation of any visual novel I have ever seen, it almost felt like "playing" an actual anime. The way they arranged the sprites, CGs, music and backgrounds to make every scene feel as natural as possible was, for lack of a better word, mind blowing and made me really think about the possibilities of the visual novel format.
Mahoyo was great for its time yes Unfortunately otome games today are given a lot less to work with so there's a lot of corners cut, fewer CGs, limited animations, cheaper engines etc
Personally I hope Love and Deepspace shows how many of us crave the combat and 3D world. I really hope we even move to a full blown 3D world like Genshin and be able to explore the beautiful worlds they create 😄 Lovebrush chronicles managed to pull me back into otome with great art and story.I kind of wished the gameplay was a bit more. Love and Deepspace hooked me with gameplay and I hope more games like this come out, especially on console. It’s made me excited for otome genre ❤
More of those companies who make combat and 3d with such large assets will tend to backtrack on elaborate romantic elements to appeal to a more general audience and cast a wider net. Things like LDS is still an outlier in the grand scheme of things. Even harder for console bc china is still very mobile prevalent and exports still not taken seriously, and the main switch market in japan is being downsized and cost cut.
I didn't think I'd like Love and Deep Space because of the Uncanny Valley kind of thing, but my gosh I'm glad I gave it a try! Rafayel is my boi, even if he's sooo selfish when it comes to the claw machine and just so... bad... at it. I really appreciate the fully voiced bits and how the quality is so high. I'm sad I've already zoomed through what story they have and I'm waiting for more, but it was unique and I used to play Tears of Themis but this one stole me away. I'm curious what do people think of Genius otome games? I've enjoyed them cause of their story and quality art but I never see them mentioned anywhere.
In my own opinion and how I like, i prefer a one time purchase game since game like Love and Deepspace made me disapointed to know that it is like Mr Love and others.. it alwasy feels uncompleted and need too much hard work ( i am a dentist and also work as a designer and artist so i wanna have fun and relax) since i love plot-based games balanced with good visuals and story telling. I alwasy end up feeling that that story is incomplete and i will never be able to know it fully cuz i missed an event or something. I really like the new challenging stories (i have been playing otome games since 2010 and stopped in 2014 then picked them up again last year) and have seen the drastic improvement in stories and story development and main characters etc so hopefully they make more games that have slight gameplay or even big gameplay like Persona games.
I really hope they continue creating good old otome games with nice 2D art and a nice plot with romance included. I also like even if tempest style. mobile games are not my thing. I hope they continue creating console games! I am also excited for future otomes! but not 3D!
Well, about otome with gameplay. Ruby Party doing exactly that, but none of their games are localised (what a shame). I liked vn with gameplay approach in Sakura Taisen series (though it's galge). There we have trpg stuff (main gameplay), timed choices and funny mini-games to bond with girls. Mini-games can sell me a lot of vn's XD
That's exactly why I think it would be wise to make more gameplay games with dating mechanics and deep story and choices, but not as much as Compile Heart games for example...just a bit more than we usually get in the Western market
Even ruby party is drastically tuning down their gameplay, compare haruka7 to previous harukas and you can see how downgraded it is. Many devs have said that the market doesn't want to be bogged down with too much complicated activity being the cause of it.
I mean, unless you want to call permanent MC autobattle like that of turn based mobage gameplay... But yeah overall many don't want to have too much complexity due to how fast food a lot of these games are
Sweet fuse on psp was so good. I think its about time otome hit 3d graphics because the visual novel games where you can only date girls as a male protagonist have hit 3d YEARS ago. They should've done it earlier , but if they didn't see a profit in it back then they weren't going to bother with it, at least until recently. Persona 3 portable on psp was the first mix of battle and also otome, I think more people should try now that it's been made digital for multiple platforms.
3D has very high cost and because of how niche the market is no one wants to put their eggs in one basket. Meanwhile you have otome games from China being backed by some of the giants in the tech industry I don’t think you can compare that. You shouldn’t compare games like Persona with the otome market either because those kinds of general games have a lot more backing and budget. These big guys would rather have something that appeals to everyone than just romance games for women. Also, don’t use “otome” for Persona, the social links have both men and women and maybe you’ll call them romance elements, otome means strictly girl x boy.
@gilliantoh4658 tokimeki memorial has friendship /social links as well with girls. And on otome reviewer sites they also have persona 3 portable on their lists as an otome. I would think if the company makes games geared towards guys in 3d they could also release similar games but geared towards woman. And I was only talking about otome from Japan in this instance. Clearly you haven't played persona 3 portable, as what links you have with women are just friendships not romance so being that the romance it towards the male characters with events it is considered otome by reviewers. It's only a Google search away I swear.
i'm hoping they will add a few more real time interactions to console games, always felt like having special one on one time was missing in the otome games I've played. i basically love customization and having many choices; but i feel limited in most otome games.
Speaking of Even if Tempest, it’s on discount on the US eShop right now (there were other otome games too, but that was the one that jumped out at me). Awesome video! It’s such a great time to be an otome fan. I didn’t know about Virche selling out, that makes me so happy. It’s interesting to see stuff that’s been going on in the male-targeted VN space for awhile pop up in the otome space. Like Love and Deepspace makes me think of Love-Plus and the interactivity there (though maybe that’s not a fair comparison). But I think it’s interesting to see what otome fans will take to that maybe fans of VNs with male protagonists didn’t and vice-a-versa.
Thanks, I'm happy your liked my video! That's a very interesting perspective to take! What would you say are some similarities and differences between the male and female oriented VNs?
i really enjoyed even if tempest, if we get more games like that i wont say no, it had great music, very interesting routes, and the trials were well thought in my opinion
I loved the characters, the consequential choices, and storytelling of Bustafellows. So if more things adopted that and made romance a plus, but also allowed more range of steaminess, that would make me happy.
Before Deep Space and or Obey Me I use to play the "Shall we Date" mobile otome games. They were gatcha in which was mostly to dress up the avatar. Now I feel theyve become smarter!! By making the gatcha aspect for the male charcters rather then the avatars. They sell you the special mini seasonal stories and artwork. I tried Obey Me and I was so digusted by the gacha being changed... it was no longer mostly focused on the story but more so the male characters artwork and such. Safe to say I left the Otome community and glad I did. Seems like a chore now to have to play mini games just to progress the story instead of being a visual novel with decision making reflecting your route, picking it up whenever you want without having to be limited because of level gridning. It might be for others but just not for me. If I wanted to have a playing aspect Id just play a regular mmo or video game.
@@gilliantoh4658 It gives the best experience and immersion imo and if you want to imagine your own voice you can just mute MC voice just like you can with the rest of the chacaters. Sometimes even if MC is bland, she could gain a lot by being voiced (eg Ceres, she's so uninteresting but at least we could hear her screams and it would add a lot to the atmosphere since it's a horror game). Not to mention oftentimes 50% of MC "dialogue" is her thoughts, not actual lines, guys talk way more. It might be pricier but well, some games did it with no problem and imo it should be a standard.
so true. But the fact that some people dont want it bc then they cant "identify" themselves anymore with the MC then. Like damn; I dont want to Identify myself with the MC, i just want a good story 😢
I don’t like gacha games 😢 I hope we don’t lose our localization of standard otome games for more money grabbing mobile ones. I’m also unsure how I feel about the 3D men 😅
Though I did enjoy Love and Deepspace, nothing can replace a good console otome game! Though lately the ones that are being released in English are on the darker side, which I'm less into. Currently playing Radiant Tale and this might be my last otome purchase for a long while. I've actually started to enjoy replaying otomes I already finished, which I have never done before, especially on my psvita!! Anyways, though I lost all hope for it being available in english, if I could play any otome it would definitely be one of the Starry Sky games.
The last otome game I played was unholyc which felt like mystic messenger, but was distinct enough to stand on its own and be really compelling. But the last otome gacha game I played was tears of themis. But it got boring because it never got new updates to keep me interested and the difficulty level was too steep. I feel like the last game that really balanced the otome gacha game was mlqc, but we all know the situation with the original English voice actors. It didn’t feel pay to win and it was getting a consistent amount of story updates. I just wish the company didn’t make that horrible decision. Also, I prefer phone games because I can take them anywhere so they’re easier to pick up.
i've been into otome games ever since mystic messenger in 2016 and ngl, the flat "click and advance the text" vn otomes can get boring real fast for me. that's why i've been really enjoying love and deepspace! the story itself for that game is SUPER dry imo but the final fantasy-esque cgi and interactive elements make it a lot more fun. i'm hoping to get more into the visual novels though, as i played cupid parasite a few months back and actually really enjoyed it!
One of the biggest issues with Otome games for me is always feeling priced out of the market. Big name releases on the Switch etc are crazy expensive, and theres no way i can afford the type of smart phone that'll play Love and Deepspace. I know there are cheaper game options, but in my experience the quality can be very hit and miss. The Otome revolution feels like it's on it's way. I just feel frustrated that so many will have to miss out.
It's true, it worked on me. I last played an Otome like... 5 years ago? But Love and Deepspace adding Action Gameplay? Well, guess I'll add that to the list of games I'll keep playing for a few years^^
I really hate what happened with otome games overall. Feel like the moving stone for this was mystic messenger? While MM is definetely a "worthy" otome game, the in-game purchased still bothered me. Id rather pay the full game price. This way it becomes so expensive.. Its a shame. Still waiting for a normal otome game from cheritz but I doubt it since its less profitable that way. (and the ssum was yikes)
Mainly it’s because it’s from China, mobile gaming is a huge franchise for China and you can’t go anywhere without it, it’s the most preferred style of gaming for portability and personablilty amongst ladies, no one has much time to sit down and buy a whole other machine for the game.
Even more tham the gacha otomes, I'm worried about the almost content-farm-like game companies in the mobile otome scene that push out monthly low-budget and low-quality games.
I hope the console otome games don't go the "Love and deep space" route. I'm not a big fan of breaking the fourth wall. I saw this game advertised and found it really creepy. I just want to read a romantic story with beautiful artwork.
I've also read that in another comment! Definitely fair point and I also hope that 2D stays with us, while I'm also excited to see other innovative approaches ☺️
I would like a 2d game story driven then random love moments with guy we dont even know his name yet (xavier) Love bloom through struggle not some random hookups
my last otome mobile game was Mystic messenger😅😅 I dont like Love and deep space or tears of themis..i tried those, but still i really like games visual novel styles, you read them like books in chapters.. guess i'm not really good on stats raising, cards raising whatever it is..😂😂😂
tbh mm can't be called as an otome game, but can be called as general dating sims and more general, joseimuke, cause they have a woman as one of the love interest, kinda similar with 'absolute deduction' cn game
Adding gameplay to otome game is like hell I mean for me i bought it for story and romance I dont care about random monster or grinding from hell Usually the gameplay is boring and repetitive unless they make it like immersive please dont
I never have play Nintendo or steam or pc games , especially otome,but idk....on reddit they said otome games are now boring.....i mean if it's boring you can find other things to enjoy,why do you have to say or really feel like not stonk then.....I mean if it's boring why do you play it at the first place!?!?
Because most of those ppl only play the one type of game from the one company, which really can't be helped but there's a lot of variation nowadays, yet so many complaints lol
Have you seen Salty Hounds yet? It's had an unfortunate rocky start because of a scummy coder literally holding the game hostage for money. Its gotten back on track but damage had been done. Could you possibly give your thoughts on it where it stands now?
I really can't get into Love and Deepspace, their setting and models are too much like Can Ci Pin donghua, and with me having read the novel as well (which is danmei), I just can't help but feel like a third wheel :D
As long as we don't have a consistent pc publisher for those games we're not getting it. And we haven't had one in a long time. Japan IPs aren't going to do it on their side bc PC has low ownership, its not worth to make.
@@arlekino0792bustafellows had steam on its horizon for a long time and they are a minority to do so under their own company. Everybody else doesn't do that.
I hope they never get rid of console otome, because I don't think mobile games are for me. Love and Deepspace is my first gacha game, but I'm already falling out of my honeymoon phase with it. The pacing is harmed by the gacha nature of it. I know this is to push people to buy packs in the store, but with people like me it just backfires and I start to lose interest instead. Sometimes i just want to play the game, ya know? Not just spend days grinding.
I would love a console game with Love and Deepspace's quality minus the gacha aspect, but I'll still always love the 2D games too.
So true! I also hope so too especially considering how much money gacha games make compared to console games ..
Totally understand the pacing aspect! I also can see myself stopping to play it when I've run out of content and have to wait for the next release....I try to enjoy LD in a really slow pace not too play through everything in an instant 😆
I'm also fine with different kinds of games! But for such high graphics games it needs a big budget ...
😂 Oh honey Love in Deep Space is not the worst of the grind, in fact it’s easy. Lovebrush stresses me out chasing the event, when the event is like an overstuffed turkey.
@@imari9997 Haha, yeah, if I'm already stressed at the thought of leveling up my memories in Love and Deepspace and you say it's one of the easier games for grind, it confirms that mobile gacha games are not for me.
i didnt even start love an deepspace because i also lost the last years alot of times the interest on mobile gacha games. I love to pick up a game and play it when I WANT and not a game that forces me to play everyday stamina system... so i prefer also switch or pc otome without any gacha system. And honestly if i wanna date a hot 3d char then i would pick Astarion in BG3 he atleast looks more realistic from the model design.
@@LivSnowflake Right? Exactly. I just want to play at my pace.
Also, heck yeah, Astarion! Although, I'm going for Wyll currently. There's always Garrus from Mass Effect too. Or Alistair from Dragon Age. Come to think of it, we have plenty of 3D men!
Personally, I will always prefer "complete" console games - which I can pick up like a good book. Fascinating stories with great characters and beautiful 2D art. There are so many talented artists out there with their unique styles. And when I play games by RiRi, Satoi, Kagerou Usuba, or even Sui Ishida, their art adds invaluable value to my gaming enjoyment. This is something I miss from games like Love and Deepspace - it feels cold and somewhat generic to me.
But I definitely agree that the entire gaming industry has missed the market for games aimed primarily at a female audience for decades. And the broader the market becomes, with more competition and diversity, the better. Definitely great times for us otome lovers!
Yes! I also hope that those unique styles will be preserved as well as our traditional visual novels 😍 at the same time I'm super excited for new innovative approaches!
So true! Really hope there will be continues support for the female gaming taste ☺️
Totally agreed!
If you dont mind me asking since i am obssessed with Satoi and Usuba's art, can you give me examples of the other ones you mentiond!
I looove gacha otomes, as much as I love some console ones. But most gachas are terrible. I can play Tears of Themis with almost no worries about things I can't get for free.
But other games are terrible with their monetization. Like Love and Deepspace, it's such an awesome game (the interactions, the battle system), but it's so greedy that its revenue will stay at the current level. If they actually made an interesting story with more chapters released (they're currently planning on releasing 2 chapter every year, every chapter is less than 40min long), they could come close to half the revenue of Genshin, but as it is with terrible events and nothing for free at all, it'll probably fall into the fifth part of Genshin's revenue, or even lower.
I enjoy gachas only because I can follow that story and universe for years and years and I don't need too much commitment since they only drop new story every month or so, and new events, new ways of interacting, AU stories etc. Lovebrush Chronicles is great at that as well, it's a shame the Global version is terribly managed and rushed as hell, wrecking my will to follow it.
Traditional 2d otome games focus on story telling. Those gaccha game focus on sucking our money (there’s not much stories - like water drops one by one for months -years😂, there’s not much character development) etc.
That's a good point you're making! Both satisfy different needs one could say 🤔
That’s so false that gacha games do not have that much stories, many of them continue through events and take it a slow run to extend the longevity of the game. They have to be slow for the long run.
😂 And yet I’m still throwing my money 🤡
@@imari9997 😂
Gacha games do have storylines. Some of them have very compelling ones
I have been playing otome games on and off for a decade now and I have never liked the whole "you need crystals for this interaction" or "you don't have enough points for this outfit" type of situations
Gacha games don't usually do that. You have the main storyline and no matter what, you can progress through it without those situations. It's the extra content that is gated behind pulling for characters or cards. But you can choose to go for that content or save for the next one. I prefer this model for otome games
For me, the thing that made me so immersed in Love and Deepspace was when I made my character she actually appeared in the special dates. I have tan skin, and trust me when I say I don't need my female lead to look like me or be me. I sometimes just prefer reading a romance of two characters rather than ever feel like 'I'm' romancing the male character. But man, it felt so nice just to see a darker skinned female lead be loved, held, kissed, etc. I like the differences a gatcha and console game can have. A more complete story with a defined female lead, and a gatcha one where female character customization can make you really feel that bond. I doubt console games would have that option, that feels like it would cost too much for production and it probably just isn't worth it. Or who knows maybe there is one who has that, just always fearful cuz most games might have dark skinned options but they don't look...'pretty', idk it feels wonky. But who knows, it isn't something I'm begging all otomes to do, but probably my standard for gatcha otome games.
I feel like the indie otome scene has been impressive lately too!
That's a great hint, thanks! I sadly don't know much about indie otome games...what are some milestones there would you say?
It has, but none of them are gaining super a lot of traction. I’ve seen Eng, Japanese and Chinese ones and they are still for a very niche audience, it’s very good to get a thousand downloads already
@@gilliantoh4658 interesting, thanks! I'm also always impressed when I see them ported to the Switch
@@LinLinLavendereven if they are it's hard to introduce them to people. I even promote some that have english subs or many other pc games that they can use sugoi translator on but nobody ever tries.
@@LinLinLavender yukari abyss would be the biggest since it got ported but there has been at least 4 i three money at in 2023 and we're all funded there's spicy option sweet options and very diverse ones out there
Strangely, even though I am so happy at all of this growth in the community which I hold the most close in my heart, I am so heartbroken Rejet don't produce games anymore...
WHAT
@@s_sannyyeah they have not produced a brand new game since 2019 and is doing nothing but merch farming and maintaining two cd series from then
It's kinda wild to me that Amnesia and Hakuoki didnt start a wave because I clearly remembering them as some of my first otome games ever.
The company that made those has actually released a TON of their otomes on Nintendo switch. That consoles a visual novel power house. Phone otomes suck and just take all your money 😂
I am positive that you have helped it grow too. After I played my first Otome game I found your channel immediately after, which helped me learn more about the genre and games that I didn't know about. So thank you very much! ❤
That's sweet of you to say 🥰
You're welcome! I'm happy to be of any help!
Her, Ikémen Fangirl and other content creator sure have helped us on what to expect from games (mainly those of us who can't get all the otom€$ 😂)
I hope the localization boom will last till my Japanese is so good that i don't have to worry about whether a game gets localized or not anymore 😂
Thanks for the informative video! A personal milestone for me when it comes to animation in VNs in general is "Witch of the holy night", the animations in this game are just so good 😍 I'm not a fan of self-insterting so I like a style like this more than what "Love and Deepspace" is doing (also the characters look so smooth they kinda unsettle me)
Sounds like a perfect plan! I think you still have a few years 😆
Glad you find it informative 🥰
Oh haven't heard of that game yet!
Haha, I can understand how that's unsettling 😂 better know your boundaries ☺️
One thing I would love to see is animated cutscenes in otome. There was this one anime I heard of that was based on an otome. I can’t remember its name but the best endings had animated cutscenes and they were great! Game hasn’t got an English release.
Animated cutscenes are very expensive. Nowadays a lot of otomege is cost cutting.
Older games used to have some animated cutscenes just like an anime but now there's no more of that.
I didn't know that! Sounds amazing! But yes, as otomate admitted, at least they don't have the budget...but maybe other companies will try that out again
@@LinLinLavender Oh at least bring over the ones that never got a Western release lol.
Man, to see cutscenes of the quality of Professor Layton games for example, that would be so cool!
I was hesitating on downloading Love and Deep Space. But, I saw your video and now I'm addict to the game.
I'm.. sorry? 😅
@@LinLinLavender Don't be sorry. I'm really enjoying the game.
My wish is for companies to breathe fresh air into the visual presentation of console titles. I was baffled when they released games for the switch and didn't implement lip movement and blinking. Come on, even the PSP had those! The idea of more dynamic live-2d seems lovely to me. I also was a huge fan of the cinematic scenes in Bustafellows and the moving backgrounds, it added so much to the atmosphere! I recently played "Witch on the Holy Night" which has hands down the most stunning visual presentation of any visual novel I have ever seen, it almost felt like "playing" an actual anime. The way they arranged the sprites, CGs, music and backgrounds to make every scene feel as natural as possible was, for lack of a better word, mind blowing and made me really think about the possibilities of the visual novel format.
Mahoyo was great for its time yes
Unfortunately otome games today are given a lot less to work with so there's a lot of corners cut, fewer CGs, limited animations, cheaper engines etc
Personally, at the start of 2024 I felt spoiled by the range of otome games available, and that feeling hasn't changed. 🙂
Same for me! I'm grateful for all the amazing games 🥰
Personally I hope Love and Deepspace shows how many of us crave the combat and 3D world. I really hope we even move to a full blown 3D world like Genshin and be able to explore the beautiful worlds they create 😄 Lovebrush chronicles managed to pull me back into otome with great art and story.I kind of wished the gameplay was a bit more. Love and Deepspace hooked me with gameplay and I hope more games like this come out, especially on console. It’s made me excited for otome genre ❤
More of those companies who make combat and 3d with such large assets will tend to backtrack on elaborate romantic elements to appeal to a more general audience and cast a wider net. Things like LDS is still an outlier in the grand scheme of things.
Even harder for console bc china is still very mobile prevalent and exports still not taken seriously, and the main switch market in japan is being downsized and cost cut.
For real. I have been enjoying Love and Deepspace combat aspect and their mini games more than I expected.
I didn't think I'd like Love and Deep Space because of the Uncanny Valley kind of thing, but my gosh I'm glad I gave it a try! Rafayel is my boi, even if he's sooo selfish when it comes to the claw machine and just so... bad... at it. I really appreciate the fully voiced bits and how the quality is so high. I'm sad I've already zoomed through what story they have and I'm waiting for more, but it was unique and I used to play Tears of Themis but this one stole me away. I'm curious what do people think of Genius otome games? I've enjoyed them cause of their story and quality art but I never see them mentioned anywhere.
I really love when they add gameplay elements to otome games , but I can't stand gameplay locked behind gacha :/
In my own opinion and how I like, i prefer a one time purchase game since game like Love and Deepspace made me disapointed to know that it is like Mr Love and others.. it alwasy feels uncompleted and need too much hard work ( i am a dentist and also work as a designer and artist so i wanna have fun and relax) since i love plot-based games balanced with good visuals and story telling. I alwasy end up feeling that that story is incomplete and i will never be able to know it fully cuz i missed an event or something.
I really like the new challenging stories (i have been playing otome games since 2010 and stopped in 2014 then picked them up again last year) and have seen the drastic improvement in stories and story development and main characters etc so hopefully they make more games that have slight gameplay or even big gameplay like Persona games.
I see Zayne i click XD
I'm also a Zayne fan 😍
I actually love LDS. I’m a HSR and Genshin player so I get the gatcha doesn’t bother me. Lol
I really hope they continue creating good old otome games with nice 2D art and a nice plot with romance included. I also like even if tempest style. mobile games are not my thing. I hope they continue creating console games! I am also excited for future otomes! but not 3D!
Well, about otome with gameplay.
Ruby Party doing exactly that, but none of their games are localised (what a shame).
I liked vn with gameplay approach in Sakura Taisen series (though it's galge). There we have trpg stuff (main gameplay), timed choices and funny mini-games to bond with girls. Mini-games can sell me a lot of vn's XD
That's exactly why I think it would be wise to make more gameplay games with dating mechanics and deep story and choices, but not as much as Compile Heart games for example...just a bit more than we usually get in the Western market
Even ruby party is drastically tuning down their gameplay, compare haruka7 to previous harukas and you can see how downgraded it is.
Many devs have said that the market doesn't want to be bogged down with too much complicated activity being the cause of it.
@@gilliantoh4658 so would you say it's a matter of complexity of the gameplay rather than gameplay itself?
I mean, unless you want to call permanent MC autobattle like that of turn based mobage gameplay...
But yeah overall many don't want to have too much complexity due to how fast food a lot of these games are
@@gilliantoh4658 that's really an interesting perspective
As always thanks for sharing all your insights and opinions!
It's so awesome to see otome on the rise the way they are now with many new games, companies and localizations
I'm also looking forward to new approaches of those companies 😍
Sweet fuse on psp was so good. I think its about time otome hit 3d graphics because the visual novel games where you can only date girls as a male protagonist have hit 3d YEARS ago. They should've done it earlier , but if they didn't see a profit in it back then they weren't going to bother with it, at least until recently. Persona 3 portable on psp was the first mix of battle and also otome, I think more people should try now that it's been made digital for multiple platforms.
Definitely! I fear it's a matter of budget though...let's see what the future holds 😍
3D has very high cost and because of how niche the market is no one wants to put their eggs in one basket. Meanwhile you have otome games from China being backed by some of the giants in the tech industry I don’t think you can compare that.
You shouldn’t compare games like Persona with the otome market either because those kinds of general games have a lot more backing and budget. These big guys would rather have something that appeals to everyone than just romance games for women. Also, don’t use “otome” for Persona, the social links have both men and women and maybe you’ll call them romance elements, otome means strictly girl x boy.
Otome did that XD
Torawaru no Paruma from Capcom
Though 3d galge is still an exeption
@gilliantoh4658 tokimeki memorial has friendship /social links as well with girls. And on otome reviewer sites they also have persona 3 portable on their lists as an otome. I would think if the company makes games geared towards guys in 3d they could also release similar games but geared towards woman. And I was only talking about otome from Japan in this instance. Clearly you haven't played persona 3 portable, as what links you have with women are just friendships not romance so being that the romance it towards the male characters with events it is considered otome by reviewers. It's only a Google search away I swear.
@@arlekino0792 I tend to forget about Toraware no Palma! Nice example though
i'm hoping they will add a few more real time interactions to console games, always felt like having special one on one time was missing in the otome games I've played. i basically love customization and having many choices; but i feel limited in most otome games.
Speaking of Even if Tempest, it’s on discount on the US eShop right now (there were other otome games too, but that was the one that jumped out at me).
Awesome video! It’s such a great time to be an otome fan. I didn’t know about Virche selling out, that makes me so happy. It’s interesting to see stuff that’s been going on in the male-targeted VN space for awhile pop up in the otome space. Like Love and Deepspace makes me think of Love-Plus and the interactivity there (though maybe that’s not a fair comparison). But I think it’s interesting to see what otome fans will take to that maybe fans of VNs with male protagonists didn’t and vice-a-versa.
Thanks, I'm happy your liked my video!
That's a very interesting perspective to take! What would you say are some similarities and differences between the male and female oriented VNs?
@LinLinLavender honestly I feel like this would make an amazing community question!!!
i really enjoyed even if tempest, if we get more games like that i wont say no, it had great music, very interesting routes, and the trials were well thought in my opinion
Hope Voltage listens to our wishes ;)
I loved the characters, the consequential choices, and storytelling of Bustafellows. So if more things adopted that and made romance a plus, but also allowed more range of steaminess, that would make me happy.
You're right, Bustafellows really appealed to such a broad audience with the story and high production quality!
I would play it if it was steamy 🤣
Before Deep Space and or Obey Me I use to play the "Shall we Date" mobile otome games. They were gatcha in which was mostly to dress up the avatar. Now I feel theyve become smarter!! By making the gatcha aspect for the male charcters rather then the avatars. They sell you the special mini seasonal stories and artwork.
I tried Obey Me and I was so digusted by the gacha being changed... it was no longer mostly focused on the story but more so the male characters artwork and such.
Safe to say I left the Otome community and glad I did. Seems like a chore now to have to play mini games just to progress the story instead of being a visual novel with decision making reflecting your route, picking it up whenever you want without having to be limited because of level gridning. It might be for others but just not for me. If I wanted to have a playing aspect Id just play a regular mmo or video game.
Just give me more voiced MCs, that's all I want 😒
That still costs a lot of money plus many want to have their own voice for the MC. It offers a middle ground this way.
@@gilliantoh4658 It gives the best experience and immersion imo and if you want to imagine your own voice you can just mute MC voice just like you can with the rest of the chacaters. Sometimes even if MC is bland, she could gain a lot by being voiced (eg Ceres, she's so uninteresting but at least we could hear her screams and it would add a lot to the atmosphere since it's a horror game). Not to mention oftentimes 50% of MC "dialogue" is her thoughts, not actual lines, guys talk way more. It might be pricier but well, some games did it with no problem and imo it should be a standard.
@@Haneurit can't always be a standard because of how the market prefers it to be, and if they can cut it they will cut it.
so true. But the fact that some people dont want it bc then they cant "identify" themselves anymore with the MC then. Like damn; I dont want to Identify myself with the MC, i just want a good story 😢
@@reflectlight1368REALLL it bothers me so much sometimes MCs don’t have eyes and voice BECAUSE IT’S SO WEIRD AAAAA
I don’t like gacha games 😢 I hope we don’t lose our localization of standard otome games for more money grabbing mobile ones. I’m also unsure how I feel about the 3D men 😅
First of all, Love the way you speak.. it is absolutely relaxing and i can hear you talk for hours
That's so nice of you to say, thank you 🥰
Glad that video was helpful!
I think the Switch was massive for the localization of Otome games.
Having that prominent handheld device on the market really helped.
Though I did enjoy Love and Deepspace, nothing can replace a good console otome game! Though lately the ones that are being released in English are on the darker side, which I'm less into. Currently playing Radiant Tale and this might be my last otome purchase for a long while. I've actually started to enjoy replaying otomes I already finished, which I have never done before, especially on my psvita!! Anyways, though I lost all hope for it being available in english, if I could play any otome it would definitely be one of the Starry Sky games.
The last otome game I played was unholyc which felt like mystic messenger, but was distinct enough to stand on its own and be really compelling. But the last otome gacha game I played was tears of themis. But it got boring because it never got new updates to keep me interested and the difficulty level was too steep. I feel like the last game that really balanced the otome gacha game was mlqc, but we all know the situation with the original English voice actors. It didn’t feel pay to win and it was getting a consistent amount of story updates. I just wish the company didn’t make that horrible decision. Also, I prefer phone games because I can take them anywhere so they’re easier to pick up.
i've been into otome games ever since mystic messenger in 2016 and ngl, the flat "click and advance the text" vn otomes can get boring real fast for me. that's why i've been really enjoying love and deepspace! the story itself for that game is SUPER dry imo but the final fantasy-esque cgi and interactive elements make it a lot more fun. i'm hoping to get more into the visual novels though, as i played cupid parasite a few months back and actually really enjoyed it!
One of the biggest issues with Otome games for me is always feeling priced out of the market. Big name releases on the Switch etc are crazy expensive, and theres no way i can afford the type of smart phone that'll play Love and Deepspace. I know there are cheaper game options, but in my experience the quality can be very hit and miss.
The Otome revolution feels like it's on it's way. I just feel frustrated that so many will have to miss out.
And that's why we need Steam ports for those sweet sales
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Free pc games exist, everything is just going to get more expensive
I usually buy them on sale on the switch. But we already had a switch for other games
What quality issues have you encountered? Asking as an indie game dev working on an otome
It's true, it worked on me.
I last played an Otome like... 5 years ago?
But Love and Deepspace adding Action Gameplay? Well, guess I'll add that to the list of games I'll keep playing for a few years^^
That's super impressive! What was your last otome game before that?
@@LinLinLavender It was two games from the Ikemen series that I also played actively for about 2 years.
@@JJKMagic interesting! Never could get into them personally...
I really hate what happened with otome games overall. Feel like the moving stone for this was mystic messenger? While MM is definetely a "worthy" otome game, the in-game purchased still bothered me. Id rather pay the full game price. This way it becomes so expensive.. Its a shame. Still waiting for a normal otome game from cheritz but I doubt it since its less profitable that way. (and the ssum was yikes)
Mainly it’s because it’s from China, mobile gaming is a huge franchise for China and you can’t go anywhere without it, it’s the most preferred style of gaming for portability and personablilty amongst ladies, no one has much time to sit down and buy a whole other machine for the game.
Even more tham the gacha otomes, I'm worried about the almost content-farm-like game companies in the mobile otome scene that push out monthly low-budget and low-quality games.
I hope the console otome games don't go the "Love and deep space" route. I'm not a big fan of breaking the fourth wall. I saw this game advertised and found it really creepy. I just want to read a romantic story with beautiful artwork.
I second this!
ME TOO AND THE 3D MEN GENUINELY FRIGHTEN ME JNSFSJNM
totally!
I also think 3D men are creepy! @@charismahousefan5593
Honestly, you are the minority the game is amazing
I've also read that in another comment! Definitely fair point and I also hope that 2D stays with us, while I'm also excited to see other innovative approaches ☺️
I don't want Otome games to be gone for good. 😭
I don't think they will ☺️
Ok good. Because I commented before watching the video. And I thought it was about Otome games going under. My apologies.
@@AnimeGirl4891 all good 😁
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Oh. Never thought I'd see the day mobile is rising to the top again😟 I started with mobile but I refuse to go back to those money milking trenches
Its always been there, its just mostly region locked. This is also the major platform for chinese games.
I would like a 2d game story driven then random love moments with guy we dont even know his name yet (xavier)
Love bloom through struggle not some random hookups
I was so excited to have many ways to deliver otome !
Exactly! Me too! Can't wait to see further developments
What is your favourite otome game you've played that you love
I’m not sure if it’s true, but maybe the money sucking is to help with funding: extended characters, more routes, new games to create.
I think it's because these animations are crazy expensive 😆
my last otome mobile game was Mystic messenger😅😅
I dont like Love and deep space or tears of themis..i tried those, but still i really like games visual novel styles, you read them like books in chapters.. guess i'm not really good on stats raising, cards raising whatever it is..😂😂😂
Haha, I get this 😁 are you still playing any otome mobile games or other otome games?
tbh mm can't be called as an otome game, but can be called as general dating sims and more general, joseimuke, cause they have a woman as one of the love interest, kinda similar with 'absolute deduction' cn game
I've been collecting otomate years ago, if we read that infold x otomate, I think people is gonna understand more about otome games
Adding gameplay to otome game is like hell
I mean for me i bought it for story and romance
I dont care about random monster or grinding from hell
Usually the gameplay is boring and repetitive unless they make it like immersive please dont
Same for me personally! But I think we're in the minority 😅
I never have play Nintendo or steam or pc games , especially otome,but idk....on reddit they said otome games are now boring.....i mean if it's boring you can find other things to enjoy,why do you have to say or really feel like not stonk then.....I mean if it's boring why do you play it at the first place!?!?
Because most of those ppl only play the one type of game from the one company, which really can't be helped but there's a lot of variation nowadays, yet so many complaints lol
I mean hey atleast love & deepace tells you how many more pulls you need to do to get a 5 star.
Have you seen Salty Hounds yet? It's had an unfortunate rocky start because of a scummy coder literally holding the game hostage for money. Its gotten back on track but damage had been done. Could you possibly give your thoughts on it where it stands now?
I really can't get into Love and Deepspace, their setting and models are too much like Can Ci Pin donghua, and with me having read the novel as well (which is danmei), I just can't help but feel like a third wheel :D
I just want pc ports of switch games 😍
As long as we don't have a consistent pc publisher for those games we're not getting it. And we haven't had one in a long time. Japan IPs aren't going to do it on their side bc PC has low ownership, its not worth to make.
@@gilliantoh4658 as I remember the last one was Bustafellows. And this game is from 2019. Nuff sad
@@arlekino0792bustafellows had steam on its horizon for a long time and they are a minority to do so under their own company. Everybody else doesn't do that.
I don't like playing games, i hope light and night get manhwa adaptation like mistic messenger 😢😢
I like reading more than playing game
I was so happy to see a fine looking otome game like love and deepspace in my ads, only to be completely repulsed by it bc of the gacha mechanic 🥲🥲