I don’t think people realize how impressive it is to close a CoC #3 gripper. It’s essentially as impressive as his shooting. Nasty hand strength there. 🤙🇺🇸
Great Points!👍 I would add from the perspective of an older guy that as we age into our late 40s the extenser muscles on top of the forearm can develop problems from a very strong grip. This can cause a lot of pain at the top of the forearm near the elbow. I've tried the bands to strengthen the extensors to compensate but the best for me has been to hang from a pull up bar by one hand. That strengthens and stretches the extensors back out allowing me to have a strong grip with no pain.
So glad for this video. My hands were weak enough that my grip on the pistol varied greatly depending on how tired I was, or my energy levels etc. I watched this, ordered a 6 piece set, started with a 150lb. After 6 days of this, my right hand can close it and my left can almost close it, and my grip on the gun at any given time is consistent and sufficient. Once my left hand can close the 150, which at this rate will be like tomorrow, I’ll move up to the 200lb. Vogel is right, I truly am amazed at what a difference this has made, even in a very short time.
Just ordered some on Amazon. Because Im such a strong old goat with weights I have never dealt with the loss of grip strength due to aging but Ive been feeling it lately in my training. Thanks for the push, "A close buddy trained with you".
Looked online, I can’t find that wallpaper anywhere!! That might be the most expensive decor per square ft ever!😂 …And he closes a 3 like it’s nothing 😅
i got SKLZ grippers from the store and they are adjustable and the max is pretty good so maybe a good place for some people to get started. i'll have to pick up some of these crush ones though. thanks.
fyi, i just got my first captains of crush. I went with No. 1 which says it's 140lbs and i can do at least 8 reps. So i picked up a No. 2 and could already do 4 each hand and 2 inverted. Maybe move up to a 3 soon. Nice quality. The SKLZ gripper is 20-90lbs apparently and i was doing about 15-20 reps on the max setting. Think it feels harder bc grip is more slippery maybe. Just a point of reference for anyone interested
Bathroom scale for example shows at how many pounds you can squeeze and not shake, that shakiness in the hand goes away as your hand strength increases making the pounds go higher, the shake or bounce in the muscle means it has reached its limit and it can make your shots go off center, especially if your a competitive shooter who has many targets and stages you don't want shake or bounce in muscle, there is a tendency for a competitive shooter to loosen grip to go faster so focus must be on having that same grip pressure with no changes for your whole shooting course
So, I injured tendons in my support hand doing pronated dumbbell curls, and my grip strength on my left hand has been bunk for the past three months. I can feel it when presenting, and while I can close a grip tool easily with my right hand, my left hand takes a lot of effort, and causes a decent amount of pain.
Train finger extension. You're spending too much time trying to close the hand between training it and gripping firearms. Your extensors in your fingers can get weak and create a painful imbalance in your hands. Amazon has cheap rubber sets that fit all of your fingers and allow you to try to open your hand.
@samuraiman7777 I started off with the trainer it's 100lbs I recommend programs from Jed Johnson of Diesel crew helped me make huge gains. Stick to iron mind grippers they cost more but are the best made and most comfortable. Other brands use thinner handles that bruise your hands.
I have shooter's elbow (tennis elbow, whatever). Curious if Robert has dealt with this and if so, how he treated it. I think if I hit the grippers now it would make it worse.
@@saveapossum7195 It finally went away, though it's threatening to come back if I overdo anything. True to what I read online, it will go away on its own in about a year. Massage gun or maybe red light therapy could be good, but I've also changed my grip to Grauffel's grip, with the support hand index finger on the trigger guard and pressure front to back instead of crushing with the grip. Since he's world champ, the take-home is that with practice, there are many approaches that work. He switched to that style because the chest and back muscles are bigger and fatigue less, which allows him to put in more practice time. That would also help avoid hand/elbow injury. In any case for those of us with no hope or desire of being champion material, avoiding injury as we age is even more important, so I'm gonna call baloney on Vogel's gripper training, at least for me.
I don’t think people realize how impressive it is to close a CoC #3 gripper. It’s essentially as impressive as his shooting. Nasty hand strength there. 🤙🇺🇸
Right? Yeah, I think only two people on EARTH have closed a #4.
So is svt performance going to get a grip strength thread 🤔
Great Points!👍 I would add from the perspective of an older guy that as we age into our late 40s the extenser muscles on top of the forearm can develop problems from a very strong grip. This can cause a lot of pain at the top of the forearm near the elbow. I've tried the bands to strengthen the extensors to compensate but the best for me has been to hang from a pull up bar by one hand. That strengthens and stretches the extensors back out allowing me to have a strong grip with no pain.
The second you said captains of crush I knew your advice was solid. Low rep, strength, not from the spring goods store. Great advice.
Bob vogel has improved my shooting by a significant margin. Love this dude.
Are you using this tool? How did you know which one to start with ?
So glad for this video. My hands were weak enough that my grip on the pistol varied greatly depending on how tired I was, or my energy levels etc. I watched this, ordered a 6 piece set, started with a 150lb. After 6 days of this, my right hand can close it and my left can almost close it, and my grip on the gun at any given time is consistent and sufficient. Once my left hand can close the 150, which at this rate will be like tomorrow, I’ll move up to the 200lb. Vogel is right, I truly am amazed at what a difference this has made, even in a very short time.
Hello, is there any difference in the gun grip? I'm thinking of buying it too
Just ordered some on Amazon. Because Im such a strong old goat with weights I have never dealt with the loss of grip strength due to aging but Ive been feeling it lately in my training. Thanks for the push, "A close buddy trained with you".
Another great video 👏🏻
Thanks Bob I really appreciate all of your tips 😊
Order submitted. Thank you for the knowledge.
Looked online, I can’t find that wallpaper anywhere!! That might be the most expensive decor per square ft ever!😂
…And he closes a 3 like it’s nothing 😅
Thanks again Robert!!! I’ve been working my grip strength for a few weeks. Can’t wait to see if it helps in my comp next weekend.
How did it work out?
Fantastic. I’ve won 9 guns in a row at Glock GSSF matches.
Great advice as always :)
Would appreciate some grip tips for one handed shooting. Many thanks for the videos
You can close a 3 you are the MAN
Yes!!! Captains of Crush are the gold standard….Robert have you found the last piece of the puzzle for high level shooting?
The part about 70% and shake was very intersting 💪👍
i got SKLZ grippers from the store and they are adjustable and the max is pretty good so maybe a good place for some people to get started. i'll have to pick up some of these crush ones though. thanks.
fyi, i just got my first captains of crush. I went with No. 1 which says it's 140lbs and i can do at least 8 reps. So i picked up a No. 2 and could already do 4 each hand and 2 inverted. Maybe move up to a 3 soon. Nice quality. The SKLZ gripper is 20-90lbs apparently and i was doing about 15-20 reps on the max setting. Think it feels harder bc grip is more slippery maybe. Just a point of reference for anyone interested
Bathroom scale for example shows at how many pounds you can squeeze and not shake, that shakiness in the hand goes away as your hand strength increases making the pounds go higher, the shake or bounce in the muscle means it has reached its limit and it can make your shots go off center, especially if your a competitive shooter who has many targets and stages you don't want shake or bounce in muscle, there is a tendency for a competitive shooter to loosen grip to go faster so focus must be on having that same grip pressure with no changes for your whole shooting course
I remember Ron Avery talking about how important the strength of the hands and torque of the wrist was.
Strong arms and shoulders certainly don't hurt either.
Hi Bob, do you pratice also with the left hand?
this is the way I use the hand strengthening tools so also
So, I injured tendons in my support hand doing pronated dumbbell curls, and my grip strength on my left hand has been bunk for the past three months. I can feel it when presenting, and while I can close a grip tool easily with my right hand, my left hand takes a lot of effort, and causes a decent amount of pain.
Train finger extension. You're spending too much time trying to close the hand between training it and gripping firearms. Your extensors in your fingers can get weak and create a painful imbalance in your hands. Amazon has cheap rubber sets that fit all of your fingers and allow you to try to open your hand.
+1 on COC. They're awesome
Can confirm it makes a huge difference. I can close the coc2.5 and my g17 shoots flat. Don’t forget to work extenders and pinch grip.
@samuraiman7777 I started off with the trainer it's 100lbs I recommend programs from Jed Johnson of Diesel crew helped me make huge gains. Stick to iron mind grippers they cost more but are the best made and most comfortable. Other brands use thinner handles that bruise your hands.
My right hand has excellent grip strength, I work it out almost every night.
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I remember someone said "no one grips a gun as hard as bob vogel does".
Would you say training arm muscles is just as important as training the hands?
Thank you!
Someone help me so 10 reps of open and closing it and 10 reps of just holding it closed?
What about the gyroscope balls?
I have shooter's elbow (tennis elbow, whatever). Curious if Robert has dealt with this and if so, how he treated it. I think if I hit the grippers now it would make it worse.
Same problem, grippers make it worse. As far as relief I use a deep tissue massage gun.
@@saveapossum7195 It finally went away, though it's threatening to come back if I overdo anything. True to what I read online, it will go away on its own in about a year. Massage gun or maybe red light therapy could be good, but I've also changed my grip to Grauffel's grip, with the support hand index finger on the trigger guard and pressure front to back instead of crushing with the grip. Since he's world champ, the take-home is that with practice, there are many approaches that work. He switched to that style because the chest and back muscles are bigger and fatigue less, which allows him to put in more practice time. That would also help avoid hand/elbow injury. In any case for those of us with no hope or desire of being champion material, avoiding injury as we age is even more important, so I'm gonna call baloney on Vogel's gripper training, at least for me.
number 3 is really hard, i know people who are strong as a bull and can't close a number 2
I have 6 of these . True everything Robert states, USPSA A120158
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I'm not married I have a Kung fu grip lol
First to watch! I win!
Or... you could lift barbells. Never met a comp shooter who deadlifted, who had a grip issue
Fun fact, there's also a correlation between stronger grip strength and longer life expectancy
Correlation =/= causation but that's interesting nonetheless
Second place
Isn’t it also about wrist strength!!??
Great shooter. The smacking is like fingernails on a chalk board....
Or . . . . you could become a farmer and forgo the toys.
I cant see the 3 so I call BS. No disrespect just a fellow gun/grip enthusiast who cant close the #3 CoC yet lol.
Trump again
That explains why Jerry Miculek is so fast and accurate, he's got very strong thick hands with Popey wrists and forearms.