He may not be Christian, but young men everywhere are introduced to Christ through him, and end up leapfrogging Peterson to Christ. Myself included. So, I must give him credit where it's due.
Did he make someone believe in God, or did God use him to make someone believe in God? It's a rhetorical question. You cannot trust his intentions, because you don't know his intentions. I feel like JP is kind of using Christianity as a crutch because he knows his audience is mainly christian.
@@djeeeeeeeI would not say his audience was mainly Christian initially. It became that way because Jordan provided a framework for young men to seek out and it led several of them to Christ. Which, in turn, caused his audience to turn around and try and guide Jordan down that same path that helped them.
@ I get what you’re saying, and I am not denying it. However, I was talking about a majority. It’s not that the majority of his audience was converted by Jordan Peterson while he himself wasn’t even a Christian in the first place. I hope you can see that the few people you just described didn’t make up the majority of his audience.
Jordan Peterson is probably one of the biggest drivers of young men today to seek genuine Christianity, despite Jordan not being one himself. If you look into Jordan's comments when he does talk to or about Christianity, you'll see a significant amount of that viewership hoping he is guided to that same relationship with God that he started them on the path towards.
I’ve been a fan of JP for several years, while knowing that he doesn’t take the Bible literally. I’ve always thought of him as giving people a practical application of the kingdom of God in life, and I think he’s helped many many people get to a better place. So I think your advice is solid: Suggest the book for believers who won’t rely on JP, and also maybe for those really down in the dumps in life. But don’t think of it as an evangelical tool. Thanks for the review!
I’ve read two of his books. He’s a brilliant man. But your cautious recommendation is a wise one. This is for the grounded Christian should they seek to read it, not the babe in Christ. Excellent review. I’ll give this one a read when it comes out!
Just finished this and I would agree, but I do find that, at least from my personal experience, JP at least helped open the door for me to enter the church, but I generally find the church fathers much better at explaining these truths than he could ever be once I discovered them and pretty much left his insight as secondary. He wants to sit on the fence and (over) examine the faith from a psychological view, which I don’t mind and can be helpful in some ways, but it doesn’t do much to actually build up the faith.
An update here: I'm hearing the interview Piers Morgan recently had with Jordan Peterson here on YT, titled ""Go to HELL - You’re Not Stopping Me!” Jordan Peterson On Trump, Putin & More", and at 32:55 Jordan is asked about his faith in God. His answer is "I don't know" and that "I leave the things that are outside of my comprehension and I try to understand what I can understand". So there's a lot of things he doesn't talk about because he doesn't have much to offer on that particular subject. Which is fair to me. But Peterson has a lot of enemies so he's easily misquoted, and that may be where you got this understanding from?
I’ve been a fan and have read his previous works. I am waiting on We Who Wrestle to be released. It has crossed my mind lately that JP is so close to the kingdom, it has also crossed my mind that committing to Christ versus “toeing the line,” in this instance, courting Christians and the world might be more profitable for him (I am not asserting that is the case). However it seems like profiteering from Christians, the religiously curious, atheists and those who seek inspiration and self-help is a wider financial and fame “dragnet,” as opposed to accepting Christ and be on a defined side. While I must acknowledge the work he has done academically from lecturing and also to the intellectual development of people worldwide I must say, a Trojan Horse in any colour or package is just that - a Trojan horse. If it pulls a true believer an inch away from the Gospel or Christ it is a potential stumbling block. CH Spurgeon said, Discernemt is not only knowing right from wrong, but knowing what is right from what is almost right. Believers in Christ be wary of false doctrines. As we engage Peterson’s work let us examine his ideas against the light of scripture.
Great analysis. He is coming to my town in January 2025 and I want to see him but I wasn’t sure what to expect on this topic (haven’t read the book). It’s so interesting to see someone so connected to the Scriptures yet unwilling to accept Jesus as real and Lord. You don’t hear of someone like this all the time. However, my faith journey has had ups and downs throughout the years so I pray this is all in God’s plan and ultimately, Jordan to give in one day…..
I was very skeptical of watching this video because I myself am not a Christian but I respect Christians and my family are Christians and such and I really like how about you know into part two of your peace here I felt comfortable and wanted your opinions more
Haven't read that book yet but I love how JP delves into the New Testament after watching his debate with Richard Dawkins. He is a believer of Science and the Bible, the way merge both beliefs were explicably profound.
I'm used to seeing partial truths, as that's the only thing we as humans can give. I'm also trying to find a way to translate the contents of the Bible to a population that's often given a false perspective of it, as if it's offensive. So while I can agree to what you say, Jordan Peterson would never have survived so long in academia as he's had with a standard Christian perspective. So what he does is useful, even when he doesn't tell the whole story. Nobody does, so I'm fine with it. That being said, I wonder if the God that Moses spoke with was actually Christ. Where God is the remote, spiritual part and Christ "his son" is God's representative here on earth. No way to know I guess but we can wonder.
I got my copy today and Im excited to read it. Im agnostic and admire Christians I know who have faith. My knowledge of religion is limited, do you think this book is more aligned with Judaism than Christianity?
I haven't read the book, but as far as I know Jordan he doesn't really touch upon the differences. Judaism and Christianity has a lot in common so there's a lot of ground to cover for them both. I'll try to explain the difference though: Judaism grew out of a slave revolt, where a large group of slaves led by Moses fled out of the Egyptian territory to stabilize and settle as a society in the desert. (Probably western Arabia as far as I'm concerned). And as Moses and many of those former slaves had their culture from today's Israel they then took back the territories they had been driven out of some generations earlier. This was at a time where families had many children, as that was a strength both when the parents grew older and when the society at large needed to survive a war. As a result the fast population growth met famine and pests as they grew towards the limits of what their land could support, and in such a situation going to war is actually an easier solution than knowing you're going to die sick in a bed. So wars were regular, with peoples wanting to exterminate each other's being a common norm. If you were going have any hope to survive at all wars were necessary, and in such a situation having the moral upper hand was important as you do not gain much people to support a war without an explanation people are able to buy. So that's the historical background. The young Jewish nation being primarily former slaves, didn't just suffer mentally from having grown up in slavery they were chaotic. Much like the people you find on the streets in major cities, doing drugs and all sorts of stuff, they were their own worst enemies. And it's in this situation Moses ended up with selling the idea of "if you can just abide by these simple rules you will succeed". This soon ended up in a competition of who were the best at abiding to "these simple rules" however, as any culture will have competitive people who use such things as something to compete for, and over the years this ended up as anything but simple. So I see Christianity as a revolt against overbearing rules becoming a hindrance to society, it's just that this too became a power game as the years went on. And the Roman society that took over Christianity was anything but friendly towards Jews, so interpretation of the scripture changed over the years. It didn't help that Rome was a society of many religions either, and that everyone wanted their political concessions once Christianity became a state religion.
Just started reading it helpful review suspected it may end up where it ends up sad really I’ve benefited so much from JP psychological insights but as a pastor I wondered if this would be the answer we didn’t want he’s not really a born again Christian.
JP has never confessed Christ as his Lord and Savior, but he has certainly driven people to Jesus. Dawkins has also driven people to Jesus. God can use anyone or anything to draw us to Him.
"I pray that Jordan will continue on his journey and that God will illuminate his path so that he will come to Christ in faith." There, I fixed your ungracious criticism of Dr Peterson. I hope that you have a nice day.
More protestant gibberish, just what young men are tired of hearing. Irrespective of wether Peterson is "a believer" in the conventional sense he is definitely doing more for the Christian faith than any pastor. They just don't get it.
The result of allowing Israelite culture to mix with pagan cultures would have destroyed Israel in the long term. It was the only way to preserve Israel.
Peterson is a psychologist and deep thinker, not a preacher or theologian. He has profound respect and admiration for scripture, but he’s not trying engaging in apologetics. The term “fairy tale” is not an accurate description of what Peterson thinks of the Bible accounts. Peterson views Biblical wisdom as pointing to far more salient realities than mere fairy tales. He is a student of Carl Jung, and expands on Jungian ideas that myths, legends, and religious literature are far more important for conveying the ultimate transcendent truths of being and purpose than mere scientific or historical fact can offer. The title is transparent - Peterson wrestles with God. He is a serious man who takes religion seriously. His wife has had profound religious experiences in her Catholic faith life. He keeps company with many religiously devout intellectuals. I expect that someday Peterson will be baptized and confess Christ as his savior. Just wait.
He may not be Christian, but young men everywhere are introduced to Christ through him, and end up leapfrogging Peterson to Christ. Myself included. So, I must give him credit where it's due.
Did he make someone believe in God, or did God use him to make someone believe in God? It's a rhetorical question. You cannot trust his intentions, because you don't know his intentions. I feel like JP is kind of using Christianity as a crutch because he knows his audience is mainly christian.
@@djeeeeeeeI would not say his audience was mainly Christian initially. It became that way because Jordan provided a framework for young men to seek out and it led several of them to Christ. Which, in turn, caused his audience to turn around and try and guide Jordan down that same path that helped them.
@ I get what you’re saying, and I am not denying it. However, I was talking about a majority. It’s not that the majority of his audience was converted by Jordan Peterson while he himself wasn’t even a Christian in the first place. I hope you can see that the few people you just described didn’t make up the majority of his audience.
Jordan Peterson is probably one of the biggest drivers of young men today to seek genuine Christianity, despite Jordan not being one himself. If you look into Jordan's comments when he does talk to or about Christianity, you'll see a significant amount of that viewership hoping he is guided to that same relationship with God that he started them on the path towards.
It is a definite step in the right direction for society
I’ve been a fan of JP for several years, while knowing that he doesn’t take the Bible literally. I’ve always thought of him as giving people a practical application of the kingdom of God in life, and I think he’s helped many many people get to a better place. So I think your advice is solid: Suggest the book for believers who won’t rely on JP, and also maybe for those really down in the dumps in life. But don’t think of it as an evangelical tool. Thanks for the review!
Thanks for the balanced comment!
JP is confusing, and I think that is a danger
Thank you for a very balance book review! I am reminded of the Proverbs where wisdom is shouting in the market place.
I’ve read two of his books. He’s a brilliant man. But your cautious recommendation is a wise one. This is for the grounded Christian should they seek to read it, not the babe in Christ. Excellent review. I’ll give this one a read when it comes out!
Some of us who have a purpose or mission in life....will have to wrestle if need be to get our mind around what God has plan for us
Just finished this and I would agree, but I do find that, at least from my personal experience, JP at least helped open the door for me to enter the church, but I generally find the church fathers much better at explaining these truths than he could ever be once I discovered them and pretty much left his insight as secondary. He wants to sit on the fence and (over) examine the faith from a psychological view, which I don’t mind and can be helpful in some ways, but it doesn’t do much to actually build up the faith.
I will be very thankful for anyone who comes back into church because of what he has written.
We have millions of " Christians " like Jordan who need to know God more because they need more love from God.
Thanks, good job. I 've been watching Jordan's journey. It's hard to become child of God through one's brain.
Yeah intellectuals have a difficult time with faith. It causes you to admit your intellect can't save you.
And that’s ironic because the greatest intellectuals in history were all men of faith
Nice review.
Thanks!
An update here: I'm hearing the interview Piers Morgan recently had with Jordan Peterson here on YT, titled ""Go to HELL - You’re Not Stopping Me!” Jordan Peterson On Trump, Putin & More", and at 32:55 Jordan is asked about his faith in God. His answer is "I don't know" and that "I leave the things that are outside of my comprehension and I try to understand what I can understand". So there's a lot of things he doesn't talk about because he doesn't have much to offer on that particular subject. Which is fair to me.
But Peterson has a lot of enemies so he's easily misquoted, and that may be where you got this understanding from?
I’ve been a fan and have read his previous works. I am waiting on We Who Wrestle to be released. It has crossed my mind lately that JP is so close to the kingdom, it has also crossed my mind that committing to Christ versus “toeing the line,” in this instance, courting Christians and the world might be more profitable for him (I am not asserting that is the case). However it seems like profiteering from Christians, the religiously curious, atheists and those who seek inspiration and self-help is a wider financial and fame “dragnet,” as opposed to accepting Christ and be on a defined side.
While I must acknowledge the work he has done academically from lecturing and also to the intellectual development of people worldwide I must say, a Trojan Horse in any colour or package is just that - a Trojan horse. If it pulls a true believer an inch away from the Gospel or Christ it is a potential stumbling block. CH Spurgeon said, Discernemt is not only knowing right from wrong, but knowing what is right from what is almost right. Believers in Christ be wary of false doctrines. As we engage Peterson’s work let us examine his ideas against the light of scripture.
Great analysis. He is coming to my town in January 2025 and I want to see him but I wasn’t sure what to expect on this topic (haven’t read the book). It’s so interesting to see someone so connected to the Scriptures yet unwilling to accept Jesus as real and Lord. You don’t hear of someone like this all the time. However, my faith journey has had ups and downs throughout the years so I pray this is all in God’s plan and ultimately, Jordan to give in one day…..
I was very skeptical of watching this video because I myself am not a Christian but I respect Christians and my family are Christians and such and I really like how about you know into part two of your peace here I felt comfortable and wanted your opinions more
'Truth can be gleaned'.... thats so kind :)
My friend has done a DEEP dive into JP and i have wrestled w his new hero
That's a dangerous place to dive deep. He has some good insight for wise living but deep Peterson is very much against the Gospel.
Haven't read that book yet but I love how JP delves into the New Testament after watching his debate with Richard Dawkins. He is a believer of Science and the Bible, the way merge both beliefs were explicably profound.
JP's theology seems similar to Benjamin Franklin's approach.
That's probably not too far from the truth.
Hey😊 is it recommendet to read his other books first ore can i start this first?
I didn't read any of his other books first and I was fine reading this.
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I'm used to seeing partial truths, as that's the only thing we as humans can give. I'm also trying to find a way to translate the contents of the Bible to a population that's often given a false perspective of it, as if it's offensive. So while I can agree to what you say, Jordan Peterson would never have survived so long in academia as he's had with a standard Christian perspective. So what he does is useful, even when he doesn't tell the whole story. Nobody does, so I'm fine with it.
That being said, I wonder if the God that Moses spoke with was actually Christ. Where God is the remote, spiritual part and Christ "his son" is God's representative here on earth. No way to know I guess but we can wonder.
I got my copy today and Im excited to read it. Im agnostic and admire Christians I know who have faith. My knowledge of religion is limited, do you think this book is more aligned with Judaism than Christianity?
I haven't read the book, but as far as I know Jordan he doesn't really touch upon the differences. Judaism and Christianity has a lot in common so there's a lot of ground to cover for them both.
I'll try to explain the difference though: Judaism grew out of a slave revolt, where a large group of slaves led by Moses fled out of the Egyptian territory to stabilize and settle as a society in the desert. (Probably western Arabia as far as I'm concerned). And as Moses and many of those former slaves had their culture from today's Israel they then took back the territories they had been driven out of some generations earlier. This was at a time where families had many children, as that was a strength both when the parents grew older and when the society at large needed to survive a war. As a result the fast population growth met famine and pests as they grew towards the limits of what their land could support, and in such a situation going to war is actually an easier solution than knowing you're going to die sick in a bed. So wars were regular, with peoples wanting to exterminate each other's being a common norm.
If you were going have any hope to survive at all wars were necessary, and in such a situation having the moral upper hand was important as you do not gain much people to support a war without an explanation people are able to buy. So that's the historical background.
The young Jewish nation being primarily former slaves, didn't just suffer mentally from having grown up in slavery they were chaotic. Much like the people you find on the streets in major cities, doing drugs and all sorts of stuff, they were their own worst enemies. And it's in this situation Moses ended up with selling the idea of "if you can just abide by these simple rules you will succeed".
This soon ended up in a competition of who were the best at abiding to "these simple rules" however, as any culture will have competitive people who use such things as something to compete for, and over the years this ended up as anything but simple. So I see Christianity as a revolt against overbearing rules becoming a hindrance to society, it's just that this too became a power game as the years went on. And the Roman society that took over Christianity was anything but friendly towards Jews, so interpretation of the scripture changed over the years. It didn't help that Rome was a society of many religions either, and that everyone wanted their political concessions once Christianity became a state religion.
Just started reading it helpful review suspected it may end up where it ends up sad really I’ve benefited so much from JP psychological insights but as a pastor I wondered if this would be the answer we didn’t want he’s not really a born again Christian.
JP has never confessed Christ as his Lord and Savior, but he has certainly driven people to Jesus. Dawkins has also driven people to Jesus. God can use anyone or anything to draw us to Him.
The christian idea is to follow Jesus. You should try to be like Jesus. It is the highest demand.
that's what I am working on with His grace
JP is the classic case of an intellectual trying to reason his way to faith. He’s never gonna make it.
"I pray that Jordan will continue on his journey and that God will illuminate his path so that he will come to Christ in faith."
There, I fixed your ungracious criticism of Dr Peterson.
I hope that you have a nice day.
More protestant gibberish, just what young men are tired of hearing. Irrespective of wether Peterson is "a believer" in the conventional sense he is definitely doing more for the Christian faith than any pastor. They just don't get it.
why did god gave that commands to wipe out the children and women from peterson's view ?
The result of allowing Israelite culture to mix with pagan cultures would have destroyed Israel in the long term. It was the only way to preserve Israel.
@RevReads oh peterson really said that ?
Peterson is a psychologist and deep thinker, not a preacher or theologian. He has profound respect and admiration for scripture, but he’s not trying engaging in apologetics. The term “fairy tale” is not an accurate description of what Peterson thinks of the Bible accounts.
Peterson views Biblical wisdom as pointing to far more salient realities than mere fairy tales. He is a student of Carl Jung, and expands on Jungian ideas that myths, legends, and religious literature are far more important for conveying the ultimate transcendent truths of being and purpose than mere scientific or historical fact can offer.
The title is transparent - Peterson wrestles with God. He is a serious man who takes religion seriously. His wife has had profound religious experiences in her Catholic faith life. He keeps company with many religiously devout intellectuals. I expect that someday Peterson will be baptized and confess Christ as his savior. Just wait.
Have you read the Quran?
Yes
Can you compre it to the Bible in a video? I know they have a lot of similarities but also curious about how they differ
@@RevReadswould you be interested to make a review of it?
@@PA_hunter it was one of my first reviews. ruclips.net/video/aiAL5Jbb5bM/видео.html
Wild lol