Didn't the director say " this movie isnt made for men" and then when they found out their movie bombed and only females showed up they said " men should be more open to female leads"
I absolutely loved the Wonder Woman scene in No Man's Land. I didn't feel attacked as a man because she literally can deflect bullets because she's a goddess and was the only one that could cross it.
That's Hollywood for you. You very rarely are gonna see a studio or director admit that a movie just sucked. It is always either "the audience not being ready" or some superficial trait. Never do they consider that the script was simply bad. When "Mars needs Moms" flopped, Disney thought that audiences obviously don't wanna see movies set on Mars so they cut "John Carter from Mars" to "John Carter" (Becaue THAT was the problem). When "Catwoman" and "Elektra" failed, it was because audiences don't want to see female superheroes and this had nothing to do with the shit directing, awful lines and bad acting of these movies. When "Solo" failed it was obviously because of Star Wars-franchise fatigue. Says the same studio that has been putting out three MCU movies a year for several years. Its always mindblowing how little Hollywood Executives understand movies or audiences. They only see charts with superficial traits
Too bad real life has no participation medals and/or trophies for merely existing in space and time, @@StandWatie1862. What life does have to offer for sure are Darwin Awards.
Most men don't hate their mother, most women don't hate their father. Pandering to a demographic that vehemently hates an entire gender gives you a very tiny target audience...
Beyonce - All the women who independent Throw your hands up at me All the honeys who making money Throw your hands up at me All the mamas who profit dollars Throw your hands up at me Also Beyonce - Can you pay my bills? Can you pay my telephone bills? Do you pay my automo' bills? If you did, then maybe we could chill I don't think you do So, you and me are through iPOR QUE NO LOS DOS!
Just a thought - how sexist is it actually to make a movie where the only way they can elevate women is by degrading and tearing down men? Like, we're not stupid. If the directors feel the only way to elevate women is by tearing down men then that kind of implies that the writers and the directors themselves don't think women are capable of being in a good movie by their own merit alone. Ahh... the bigotry of low expectations rears its head once again.
This! I'm so tired of movies that try to empower women but ended up making it the whole plot. Why don't we just normalise strong female leads? Life imitates art imitates life, if we keep on making movies as a reminder that women were perceived less then we would never get over it
Very good point. never looked at it from that point of view. the truth is they had such a great opportunity to empower many ladies of all kinds through this movie. I remember the cartoon version of this was so good and entertaining especially to young boys. Had they proved individual skills and weakness can collect into an impressive team or that physically strong women can exist and smart but not so physical women can exist too, It would have been an amazing movie. Had Kristen's character had had an impossible child life and had had to be resilient on the streets to survive. then a journey where she learns to trust in her team and learns she can reliably rely on someone else without losing herself. wouldn't that have been very relatable to many girls and many guys. Such a great opportunity blown. all they managed to tell young girls is that if you are not very sexy and not very smart and also very physically strong and capable all the same time then all the men, who are all evil unless they sound so nice and tell you everything you want to hear, will destroy you.
I’m a woman, and I can’t relate to characters who are portrayed as having no flaws. It actually makes me feel like I’m not good enough, when they say women can do anything
Agreed and this is why Instagram can be such a dangerous place; it sets a range of unrealistic expectations about society that just don't reflect reality for the 99%.
This. The only point they make to the characters' gender is "every previous team was all male and failed so let's see what happens" and then don't mention it again. And it's a very good movie.
My mom was a fan of the original Charlie’s angles, and she took a writing class in her younger days, when we saw this she was literally yelling at the screen because of how bad it was. We legit had to calm her down.
@Trevor Philips It is, she was literally standing up and storming towards the screen just pointing and screaming. Any more and we would’ve had to buy a new TV. And we aren’t the most financially stable family lol.
This movie is very accurate. As a man, all I can think about is how to manipulate, harass, and endanger women as I am a simple, primal creature that feeds on tears and pain.
@@nyancat.123 A fellow demigod queen! I remember the day I first decided I wanted to learn Latin and then I just, like, knew it 🤪 that’s when I knew, being femail is sow kewl
Ripley was also written originally as a man. It was swapped last minute and made it more interesting. It could've been played by any gender and still be good cause the foundation writing was good.
In Alien and Aliens, Ripley didn't start out as a badass, she developed into a badass in the movie. Even in Aliens, Burk and the marines cast Ripley in a supporting role until she showed them she is the smartest, most capable person in the room. You finally see Ripley's character replace her public image among the marines after Burk's failed attempt to implant the aliens in her and Newt. I would say that is what makes good movies. Leave the politically-fueled agendas outside the studio, and just make great movies. Otherwise, it's just propaganda, because anyone can recognize it for what it is.
Remember when you could differentiate between masculine and feminine?
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@Benjamin McMullan what the fuck happen to women? They can vote, they can body build and star in movies,cartoons and more and they have the Gall to say THEY are OPPRESSED!?😡
fiveelms2011 it’s was fictional character from Star Trek “ I think it’s was fan fiction or something.. please don’t ask I not into Star Trek “ there was so good at anything that she didn’t have any faults..
This is one thing that annoys me so much. If you're gonna have a character that is a master martial artist, or even a street brawler, give them bodies that actually make those claims look realistic. The best example I can think of that lately was Angel Dust from Deadpool. She actually looked like she could fight and, surprise surprise, her actress is an an MMA fighter, so she's built like a brick.
@@xeecerzkaviuoer9200 if I'm not mistaken, kidnap, rape and murder. that's the only way an all female tribe can be inseminated. you kidnap men, rape them and get rid of the evidence. it's that or a skill to gender swap so they can inseminate each other. unless it's divine intervention (the feminist answer)
@@xeecerzkaviuoer9200 they left island at night in boats find sailors do snu snu with them and then kill them,9 months later if its a girl they'll keep her and if its a boy they'll sold them or there's a god who takes the boys with him and raise them and they work with him he's a Greek god who who makes weapons You can find the comic
When hard times come, it will, people will go back to what they naturally are. The pretend strong whamen, will all decide miraculously to wear skirts, put on heels, put their hair down and drop to their knees. History tells us this, so does reality and common sense. You will see the manly men be promoted by the MSM, politicians and corporations in unison. Everyone will know their roles, and this fake agenda, push towards communism(feminism/identity/SJW) will end within a month.
A O that’s no different than their roles forty years ago when they just existed as damsels, moms and love interests. Studios never know how to actually make them humans.
Male leading movies: beloved female dies at the beginning and he now manly takes revenge Female leading movies: there cannot be a beloved male, because if there was, he would be lead role.
@@endlessstudent3512 because having healthy relationship with men is not empowering and makes them dependent on men. Only relationships that are allowed is a lesbian relationship 🤣🤣
Im a male. I’m writing my anime story about a relationship during a dystopia where ones a female zombie and the male is a brainwashed soldier clone. In my story they both are willing to die for each other and I’ll even allow my male character to get wounded to allow the love interest to save him No not because of politcal statements but because they love each other and there is no gender bias crap. I believe in good characters not good gender characters. One problem with woke movies and video games is they throw the gender or race victim thing on to make a politcal statement. I have no problem with female leads example being lucina from fire emblem not that she’s the main character but you can control her and boy o boy I use her all the time like she’s a main character cause she’s a absolute badass and I ship her and robin. I never once looked at Lucina as a overpowered female. She’s a natural badass who’s female. I respect the fact that she never treats male genders differently she’s treats everyone the same. Woke movies always has to have female leads male men look stupid for no reason or there the white main villian
@@5552-d8b Sounds good, I'd read it! It sounds like neither character is defined by their gender, and you could probably switch the male/female roles without affecting the story.
@@paladinjones1833 thank you for the comment. You could switch genders and it wouldn’t be affected. In my story gender dispute is not in my anime story compared to woke movies. In my story i want my characters to be mature and not have a politcal statement to make about everything.
If you need to tear men down to raise women up, the actual message you're sending is "women can not be better then men without the odds stacked in their favour"
@@ashleycorp349 Thanks. The feminist dichotomy that history is basically a power game by men inflicted upon women is utter horseshit in my opinion. It also goes against nature, that is to say that in a level competition most women would be utterly dominated by most men to the point of mutual embarrassment. And that's only insulting to a modern sensibility that frames a woman as someone who is supposed to be a rival and a conqueror of her men. Very few People benefit from such a mindset.
Yeah i dont understand why they refuse strong characters to look strong. Like not even particularly ripped but just some clear muscle definition where they dont look like they weigh 100kg between them. Like they do mf martial arts and shit and they look like they drink fittea and cardio all day
@@fv8405 That's true. Kinda the human condition lmao, hopefully people will put their horny aside and support movies that have strong and well-written female characters
Yeah and she even said in a conference that men should had watched the movie as favor for women because we apparently watch "men movies" as a favor for them
@@Southparker42 When feminists says: "it's better for innocent men to be put in jail for false rape accusation than for a single rapist to be let free", it's not far off.
As a woman, this approach makes me like MALE characters more- because they're the underdogs, and most people love an underdog. They are more interesting and relatable. But what I find funny is how now we have all these female-led tv/movie REMAKES that we're supposed to think are ground breaking for women. As I said, REMAKES. Like this film, Mulan, Charmed, and Lara Croft. Do they think we're that stupid that we really do think there have been no good female roles before? I grew up in the 80s, and as a young kid I enjoyed Wonder Woman, Jamie Sommers aka the Bionic Woman, Leia in Star Wars, and so on. As a teen I had Ripley from Aliens, Sarah Connor, X-Files' Scully, Xena, etc.
Actually to me it feels like that is the target...make you root for the man. Also: in the 80th there were a ton of really sexist movies, treating women as object whose only reason for existence is to please men. Just watch the old movies with eyes open. However we had those good female heros in the 80th also, just very few. what makes me said, is the the movie industry just cooks up the same recipe of the old male-action movies, just replacing the man with a woman instead of using this opportunity (female action leads) to create a different type of action movies. Less: just beat everything down and win. More: avoid direct combat, use poisons, razors and yet to be invented gadget, make the female lead someone who can vanish, is clever but also looses sometimes. Why are they still not trying something new?
You'll see , in future, feminists are not embraced but thrown out of society. They become so toxic that we throw them out and their ideas burn out. Its clear that actually, feminism xinstead of empowering women, it actually is and will have very negative effects for women.
@@endlessstudent3512 bruh why u so butt hurt I've seen you in every comment trying to defend these kind of nonsensical movie and finding the negatives in the comments
Women : We want more well written female characters with realistic flaws and character motivations Hollywood : what's that? More Mary Sues, we got you covered.
brandoncheatem I think what they were tryna say is that this isn’t a problem exclusive to Elizabeth Banks. I understand that not all of Hollywood is like this and I think they do too, But it was just a simple generalization for the sake of flow in the comment and I don’t think they deserve to be judged on it :)
If it flops it's coz of men. I don't care how you portray men, as long as we don't throw any money at it and you don't get your bonus we will take any "criticism"
dude...i watched frozen 2 like 4 times in theatre. just me...no friends....no date...i just liked the movie and the music....oh boy...holy all that is good....that music....lol
In the original Charlie's Angels everybody were competent in everything but there was one who was outstanding. Lucy Liu's character was the nerd, Drew Barrymore was the adrenaline junkie and Cameron Diaz was the one who knew how to use guns the best; all of them knew their stuff from one another but one was the best at it, and it didn't tear down each other, they complemented each other, aside the fact all of them were dealing with bad stuff at the same time.
The weird thing is that the original Charlie's Angels have always been about badass women, so there was no reason to push the "gender agenda" when it was already done perfectly in the OG
@@eastlynburkholder3559 the gender thing gave the film the go ahead. like "ghostbusters sucked, so instead of doing a role reversal, lets exploit an already female franchise, to push the agenda". the sucky part is that they were not able to cover up these intentions with clever writing, instead they tried to use fast paced action and family guy gags - a la stranger things3.
Amen to that. Hell say what you will about the early 2000's remakes, but at LEAST they had fun and were fun to watch and embraced the over the top nature of action and didn't push that gender crap
When I think about a great way to portray a “badass woman” I think of the animated Mulan movie. Yes, she accomplished a lot, but we see her initially really bad at what she does. We root for her and her victories are more deserved. Additionally, she still has plenty of funny moments, making her more well-rounded. I’m so tired of these “emotionless, badass, perfect” women in movies. Please. Literally give me anything else.
May I just add that I love the animated Mulan and I would never get tired of repeating it, I know it all word by word😂 You are totally right, she is portrayed as a real women, someone who is cable, strong and independent yet she also has a soft side where she cares for the people she love in this case going into war for her father and she also has a little crush on her commander, that's girly for me, the fact that she has flaws it's what makes her more humane and relatable and during combat she had support by the men to save china which overall shows that despite our differences in gender, race blah blah we are all human😊
Mulan is possibly the only female lead character in a Disney movie I have ever actually been able to label as "favourite" because of that. She struggles, she fails, but she doesn't give up, and that's a major part of what makes her a good character, that she's allowed to go through that and show regular, human emotion as she does so.
As a woman I'm so sick of seeing movies like this. It's insulting to women and men. I don't like being beaten over the head with a social message. I feel like this is in way too many movies lately, some group is completely demonized. I'm not capable of doing everything just because I'm a woman, I'll be good at some things, mediocre at other and bad at some. Can't we have strong characters that happen to be women in a realistic light.
My favorite movie about empowering women is “A League of Their Own” about the first female baseball team and what they had to go through. It’s based after a true story so obviously every character is very unique in their own way, and it shows how difficult it was for a woman to do a more male dominating sport (with catcalling and no one taking them seriously) it showed that women are capable regardless of what the men said, and it didn’t say “all men are bad” either. There were good men who grew to believe in the women baseball team. Because strong women don’t need to tear men down to feel strong. And what also helped was that the message wasn’t about feminism, it was about female baseball, specifically the main character and her sister and their relationship through it all. It was about the bonds the girls shared and the bond that grew with Tom Hank’s character. It’s such a lovely movie that teaches female empowerment 1000x better than movies like these.
when i say i want STRONG female characters, i don’t need female characters that are both physically strong and extremely intellectual. by “strong female characters,” i want interesting and flawed characters that go through obstacles + have their own stories and lessons to tell. them having to happen to be women or girls, even better!!!
I knew exactly what you mean. SEMI- LONG POST AHEAD! For a somewhat recent example of this, I'd look at the 2015 film 'Krampus,' specifically at the character Aunt Linda. She's not a strong Amazon who also happens to be a brilliant scientist; She's an average, slightly overweight homemaker who has some issues with her sister (Which they both can be blamed for) when they all get together for Christmas. Over the course of the film, she and her sister begin setting aside their differences amid the ordeal their families are going through. Then, around the film's second act, there's a scene when they and another adult are attacked in the attic by killer toys Krampus has sicced on them. When all seems lost, Aunt Linda (Who at the time was wearing a goofy- looking Rudolph sweater) gains a nice shot of courage, and uses a broken- off icicle and axe to bravely fight off the toys and save her family. I'd say THAT's an example of a strong, empowering, inspirational example for women; An average, seemingly- unimpressive woman whose love for her family gives her the strength to stand up to evil.
Captain Marvel is exactly this. Too strong. I mean, she destroyed a ship in seconds that the whole Avengers could not even make a dent in. It's not that she's a woman, it's that she doesn't have any character flaws.
@@invizcharlie9477 I think the biggest problem with Captain Marvel is that the creators are taking a character that's unlikeable and trying to convince us that she's likeable. With Tony, he's portrayed as unlikeable and we know he's unlikeable. And then he experiences character growth. Captain Marvel is a flat, arrogant, and dull character with no growth or likeability.
Nope. There were a few people and they were dubbed misogynist/sexist pigs. I mean, I knew the movie sucked when I found out that J.Law. + Zoe Kravitz were like, this script isn't good, and turned down the role. (+)
Michael pellegrini pretty sure even if they saw how sexist it was unlike most of the other staff that was helping to make it they would know it’ll be too much of a high risk and end up targeted to get fired for “other” reasons. And/Or they’re getting paid so whatevs and think about what to get on their break.
I agree. Some people take this too far tho. For example, there is this character from a video game who is gay. Being gay is a significant part of his story. People bitched about this fact. They apparently didn't pick up that his father throwing him out of the house for being gay was pivotal character moment for him. Just remember that focusing on one of these aspects to push the narrative in a well written way is not automatically bad.
@@oscara8454 Absolutely! This is a great example of a character's sexuality being important for the narrative so therefore it should be mentioned. Didn't meant to make it sound like no story can do that. I'm really sorry if it wasn't clear enough.
@@TheAlanon It should have some impact- their backstory/ childhood (abused/rejected as a kid for it) or their actions in a minor way (reacting differently to certain situations than others in the film). It should not be their entire identity. Liking horses or alcohol or fishing is not a personality. Having only one passion or trait is not something to build a character off of.
New angel's: women trying to be men, not the angels Classic angel's: women being themselves, the angels Btw i loved the original cast, it's a shame they got replaced, given that they're aged now. With that said they didn't really need a new Charlie's angels, the old one was gold(not perfect but awesome).
And not even the interesting kind of evil like his friend Erik Lensherr AKA Magneto, just a generic bland evil like the antagonists of all those dollar bin FPS games from the 2000s.
Re-ees Daniels capitalizing the letters in "No One" makes it look like there is a specific person named "No One". In this case Dash is talking about people in general so that shouldn't be capitalized.
Exactly. Take the Star Wars sequel trilogy. "Who's the pilot?" "Poe... and Rey." "Okay, well who's good with a blaster?" "Finn... and Rey." "That's, uh... well, then, who's the Jedi?" "That'd be Rey." "Isn't she the lead, though?" "Yeah - she does it all." "Then why do the other characters exist and what makes Rey special?" "...." "...." "...um..." "Riiiiiiggghht...."
@@hanburgundy4317 Who's the good guy? Rey. Who's the bad guy? Kylo and Rey. Who's the emotional weight? Rey and a couple others. Who's the tech genius? Rey. I rewatched episode 4 not too long ago and for all it's flaws, at least the characters have character and are consistent. If you need a thing hacking or bypassing, R2 and C3PO do it, not Luke. Hell, look shoots the door controls and realises right after that that's probably also the bridge controls. He's the hero, but he's not especially smart. If it were Rey, she'd have been breaking it open and bypassing shit like she does with the Millennium Falcon.
Honestly I want this trend to continue for a few years so it bombs to the point that these “directors” are blackballed from the industry and we can get actual movies with plots again.
I mean most action movies are unrealistic and require at least some degree of suspension of disbelief. That isn't even the main problem. The main problem is that it has terrible writing.
@@ZombieChan84 Most action movies require zome degree of suspension of disbelief...but that is out the window when you make something that is supposed to be somewhat "real world" and make it totally unrealistic.
@Liam Ward yeh I don’t know dude being built doesn’t mean you can fight well. That’s just a fact being big doesn’t mean you can beat everyone up I’ve seen a skinny boxer beat up a built bodybuilder with ease. Muscle alone doesn’t win fights and Arnold well he is a body builder not necessarily a fighter
I used to love Totally Spies when I was a kid and although I don't know if that's a good comparison, the point you made about them all being good fighters and that making them harder to differentiate reminded me of it. In Totally Spies the characters are incredibly similar on the surface, they're 'girls' girls' and they're all unstopable super spies. The thing is though, their personalities were so different, the way they looked at situations, the way they expressed their interests, the challenges each one of them faced and how they resolved it seemed so different and then they would be brought back together again on the common ground of being really into shopping and kicking ass. Obviously, too shallow for media for adults, but it's crazy to me that the writers of Totally Spies are better able to differentiate their protagonists and give them autonomy in the show than the writers of a hollywood blockbuster with a multi-million budget. Also, I was a boy and could still find great enjoyment from it even though I wasn't the target demographic. Powerpuff girls too but that's in a different league all together.
I disagree with that, a lot of people see the male gaze female character as the one that reminds you that they’re women, and the other side being what we see in Charlie’s angels. But gender can be a very important part of a characters identity, if someone approaches it (for either gender) with class, without going to those extremes
Amen to that. Iva always believed that. I remember watching Kill Bill, was like "Dam she can kick ass".... not... "for a woman she surely can kick ass"
I think the same any movie written and directed the right way will the a decent movie and you won’t even think about the gender about the character for example the first wonder women
a story about the struggle of women is going to make it evident that the main character is a woman - thats not a bad thing. its when it tips into being downright obnoxious, like this movie is. from the first minute we should understand that the character is a woman who struggles because of patriarchal society. we are not so dumb that we need constant, explicit and condescending reminders every 30 seconds for the remainder of the film.
I loved the 2000’s Charlie’s Angels- they were fun, lighthearted, imaginative with unique feminine heroes. Not to mention the obviously gold star cast...Lucy Lu, Cameron Diaz, and Drew Barrymore have no competition and each of them were captivating to watch.
I agree, even the second one wasn’t bad. And in that movie the characters were nerdy and strong but they had back stories and were so charming you kind of aloud suspension of disbelief just cause you liked them.
@@TheDelta016 Charlie’s Angels- Smart,Sexy Confident, Fun, Strong women. Whoever thought oh I know Kristan Stew in my own misery, should really reconsider a different career
I distinctly remember watching one of the old Charlie's Angles movies on tape as a child and loving it. Is pretty sad to see this is what they've done with the franchise
He probably woke up. Unless he didn't. I hate it when the people I'm supposed to support in movies unrepentantly attack and hurt innocent people and brush it off.
I'm a woman, and I am SO tired of these feminist movies making every male character out to be either a useless or terrible person. Why can't they be empowering without completely degrading the opposite sex?
I agree. To beat the male or to be better than the male isn't an accomplishment worth bragging about or watching. A worthy opponent and an interesting villain is needed in a story.
@@axelsmith4722 My dad has many great qualities. I say that first. However to play games (dominoes or cards or board games) with him is or can be painful. He needs to win in a childish way. I thought 'ok you have 500 or 5000 points for showing up at the table' and I suggested this to him but he refused it. My step mom said we declare you to have already be winning from before the first dice throw or card played and this he refused. I can enjoy a game if I am not the winning. I can enjoy polishing my skills and bettering my score and if the game allows by trying a different strategy. He wants to win and he is lavish and persistently petty and vengeful if he does not win. And it goes beyond that, you must lose. I enjoy beating you by sheer luck or by my brilliant strategy. However spoiling your win is not my only source of fun. I enjoy conversation during games and witty banter and mild mocking of other players. I also enjoy beating a good player. If the player were to be a fool or to be drugged so I could win, I would not enjoy the win.
I also think it's interesting how, in the beginning, Kristen Stewart's character says: "attractive women something something decoration but unattractive women are invisible". Supposedly criticing men. Then the "girl power" film go on to only feature conventionally attractive women. Except like two seconds where the lady they used to "be invisible" is shown.
And pretty much all Mary Sues are exactly the same. That's even worse when you have not only 1 but 3 Mary Sues like here. They're basically 3 times the same character, just portrayed by different actors. And i'm losing the term "character" losely here.
Funny enough, the movies made back in the 2000s were way more consistent and fun. Every Angel had a expertise, personality and flaws. And they commited to being cheesy and over the top. In this movie, they are all "jack of all traits, master of all" and everyone is so serious and act like an asshole with the protagonists. Fuck, they made Sir Patrick Steward the bad guy. Who does that?
@@Destroyer2150 Didn't know Patrick Stewart was in this, I will have to watch it now. Kind of like when Brent Spiner was in The Master of Disguise (2002). It became a must watch for me even though I cringed most of the way through it and not in a good way like with Patrick Stewart in Extras, cringed for all the right reasons then.
This is the problem with feminist movies , they just take a perfect human and put it in lead , then they take all of the worst kinds of people and shove it up the movie's plot , thus making it so unrealistic , even the demographic they try to target sees the problems , it's like taking a bunch of devils and one angel , then putting them in a 90 minutes long film about how angels are great and devils are dumb and also rapists , that's not how good writing works....
That is how any sort of character should be written. Don't write a character about the fact that they are black, just make a good character, that is black. Just like in real life, being a woman, or a man, or white, black, etc. Is not what someone is. To reduce someone's personality to solely the physical or ethnic appearance is what people have fought against in the past but now, the new generation of activist seem to go for that. It's the main reason why i dislike the non binary shit and the constant need to put a name on what is you. You don't need too! It's stupid and it only create more insecurity. Why is the goal now to reinforce the separation instead of making it disappear ? This shows so incredibly well in storytelling as such a character is simply not interesting and is always written in an insulting way that reinforce the US vs THEM mentality that is toxic and retarded. What an author that visited our class once told me is that : If you want to write a character that is either good at everything because they are a minority or have a terrible life because they are a minority, you are not helping, you are not writing a good character, you are trying to give yourself good people points. You are writing for your own benefit, not for storytelling.
Remember, girls: You are valuable. You just need to learn to fight extremely well, be acrobatic, highly intelligent on a genius level, very good looking and entertaining and you need to be able to dance. But every woman can do that no biggie. So why can't you? Look at Kristen Stewart. She can do it.
@UCfRuEYoGq1fTUyc19InX3cA I would have to say you are quite wrong with your quip, sarcastic or not. Maintaining a thriving civilization is more dependent on leadership, specifically population control (not just increase), rules, and rule enforcement. So JUST making babies as a woman isn't directly important to the maintenance of that civilization. It is population control that DIRECTLY involves women's ability to birth, making her being a female important. JUST like men are required to impregnate. BOTH are required here, EQUALLY. Outside of reproduction, BOTH men and women are capable of doing OTHER important key things like building, working, farming, researching, teaching, and serving in the military which ALL (I would argue) are MUCH more important factors than reproduction. PEOPLE in general can work as much as needed for a thriving civilization while still being able to reproduce fairly quickly if required. Women's reproductive value is equal to men's. Further, I argue reproduction is NOT important at this point since the earth is becoming overpopulated. SO if your comment was a snarky way of saying "All men care about is women's reproductive ability" then stfu. Men in general do not behave as if or claim this is the case. If you weren't being snarky and actually meant what you said, then ALSO stfu. You are factually wrong.
12:26 that's exactly what happens in 2018 She-Ra. There's a character named Catra, who has grown up in an abusive environment, and we as the audience are supposed to sympathize with her (even when she willingly commits an apocalypse), because she's a lesbian girl. And then there's another character named Kyle, who has also grown up in an abusive environment and is constantly bullied by LITERALLY EVERYONE AROUND, and the show treats bullying and abusing him as a joke and a running gag... because he's a boy (moreover, a gay boy). Seriously, Kyle has never even made any kind of a sexist joke in the show. I don't get it.
The same thing happens here but not to the degree of apocalypse. I saw in this video alone how time and time again the angels kept hurting their male adversaries even though they were clearly out of commission. I would have been ok with the movie but the fact the angels were just needlessly cruel is what really put me off. They seemed more like villains than heroes. A hero feels bad for hurting people and they usually try to avoid it as much as possible, villains are the ones that relish in kicking their opponents when they are down. Kind of like the angels in this movie.
My mother is a fan of Charlie's Angels and loved the old movies. She was really excited to see this movie, but once she came home she told me how horrible it was and actually asked me if I could download the first movie so she could forget about this one.
In the old Charlie's Angels movies they weren't obsessed with gender but everything in Those films tell you how a woman can be intelligent, fierce and capable of everything.
@@KindredBrujah them bitches being born as some deity. That just means they're born great, they don't work to get there; they're born like that. That's Mary Sue af, and Mary Sue = Bad Writing
Right? It's like the franchise has been done twice. Both are beloved in their own way. And still was empowering to women. If it isn't broke don't fix it.
I did wish that these Angels would stand out as good in their own way. The 2000s Angels are fun and nostalgic; even the 70s Angels have their own charm to them that’s easy to understand why fans would like to see reboots of the series. But nothing to these 2019 Angels sticks out besides the “women are flawless because all men suck” mentality
Born in the 90s here. Back in those early 2000 days my friends and I all agreed Sarah Connor and ripley are some of the best action movie protagonists of all time
I really liked both the original and 2000's Charlie's angels. My generation was the 2000's one, so I watched those first. I loved how each of them had their own unique personality. Cameron Diaz was cute and hot with general smarts. Lucy Liu was this stoic, serious badass and was also technologically smart and Drew Barrymore was adorable and kind of "free-spirited" (not in a slutty way) with a dark past and was street smart. Even their smarts were unique to them. They complimented each other, instead of blending into each other. And then we have these wannabes...(-_-)
Or just make actual female characters with real female traits. No one wants women pretending to be men. EDIT: also, no, you can't design a good character and just genderswap them at the end. Men and women are different. A strong character has their gender decided early in the design process. You make a female character, THEN you make them good. Too many people just stop at the "make female" part and forget that that there's more to it than that.
Sad thing is some of these movies that have all female lead characters were wrote by females themselves. It's like those female writers don't know how to write a female character.
By making female characters good leaders, don't you make them masculine? The Mary Sue is the innate birthright value of the feminine projected by gender egalitarians onto masculine domains, where one is not born with value, instead value is is made by struggle, violence, competition and sacrifice.
Let's not forget that a woman directed shrek and I don't even need to explain how that's a good thing based off how good shrek is. Edit: ok you know what, alot of butthurt people keep saying that I'm saying that shrek was only good because a woman helped to develop it. I'm not. I'm saying this because some commenters were saying things like "see this is why women can't make movies and stuff" so I was basically saying that gender doesn't determine how good a movie is. I'm not giving that lady all the credit. So can people stop replying with BS attacking me. I had a person say that I'm disrespectful because I called the lady a female instead of a women so can you people grow a pair and stop getting offended by everything? Thanks
I like how the third good dude says "if you need to talk I'm also a licensed psychotherapist" completely omitting the fact that licensed psychotherapists NEVER do therapy for their friends and family because any sort of previous relationship with a client can severely impact the effectiveness, credibility and the client/patient - therapist level of relationship between them.
Yeah, always important to have a distinction between friend and patient. You can (and probably should) be friendly with a patient, but until they're no longer your patient you're not quite friends
@@hyperraidsaerofrights5649 yes, but she was talking about strong woman, and I remenber to think that was a diferent actor from the first, because she was so ripped off, this is common today with woman in movies, but not in that time.
@@rabbitsurvivor1896 To be honest, when she told me it was 'Charlie's Angels' I immediately thought 'I know what's gonna happen. It'll carry the tired old feminist tropes, it'll be badly received, it'll bomb at the box office, and the filmmakers will blame "sexism and misogyny" for its failure'.
@@07g53 Nah, she was fine. She said that people were professional, they didn't really notice her. Most of the blame seems to lie with Elizabeth Banks and her ego/lack of self-awareness.
Yes, if i was into conspiracy-theory would would think, that there is a secret organisation of movie-making men, that make the action movies with women so bad, that even feminist women do not want to see them. To undermine female-empowerment :D
Ironically, a feminist movie has turned into a sexist one Edit: aight since my inbox hasn't caught a break since I said this imma clarify some things. By DEFINITION feminism is about equal rights for EVERYONE. I was using the real definition of the word when I made this comment. Most feminists just want equal rights. But yes, all of you are right, there are those who want women to be above men. Yes, they exist. But people who claim to be feminists while treating men unequally aren't actually feminists. The irony is that they claim and think they're feminists when they aren't. That's what I meant when I made this comment. Let me stress this. Feminism by definition isn't bad. People who CALL themselves feminists but don't realize they aren't feminists ARE bad. Let's call these people "False Feminists". Most of you read "feminists" in my comment the same way I would view "false feminists". Thank you for listening to my Ted talk
Filmento really really knows how to break down movies. He doesn't criticize a movie because he hates the message in it. No, he criticizes movies because they were made bad.
Terminator, Aliens, Veronica Mars. My childhood favorite Monsters vs. Aliens where the protagonist is a 50-foot woman that doesn’t brag about being a “strong woman” but instead we’re given a protagonist that is relatable the way she reacts to the environment around her, and there’s an instance where she’s mad at “doing everything” without getting help is genuine.
We hit a very brief sweet spot, where we transitioned from weak-minded fragile women who are only house wives to Alien/Kill Bill, then we went to women are good at everything ever.
This whole "men hate strong female characters" arguement bothers me. Leia Organa, Elizabeth Swan, Furiosa, Wonder Woman, Sarah Connor, Peggy Carter, Black Widow, Hermione Granger, Ellen Ripley, Katniss Everdeen, Scarlet Witch, Padme Amidala, Ahsoka Tano, Ramona Flowers, Mulan, and Elastigirl would all like to know your location [accept] [deny] men just hate *poorly written* characters that just try to arrogantly talk down to them instead of being genuinely good characters.
Jessica Jones Wonder Woman Terminator Alien 3% Hunger Games The Previous Charlie’s Angels Etc... You know the difference between those franchises and franchises like Charlie’s angels? They had more to them than the gender of the protagonist
@HaremGodRance also Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Xena, Star Trek Voyager and Stargate SG1. But these examples don't count because the male characters equals
@@neonmaple5259 her Lara Croft now looks less unbeatable and unbearable thanks to these new do it all perfect female characters. I mean, there was a lot of bullshit in Lara Croft's action sequences in those movies, but now it's not that extreme, and it's obvious that Lara's character was much better written.
YES, Jessica Jones actually has quite a lot of feminist messages and themes, but it's handled very well and effectively, it doesn't hit you over the head with it.
Funny that the last Charlies Angels movie series easily defined the personalities of their characters. all three were pretty, flirty, and good fighters, but Lucy Lu was the techy person of the group, she was a bad cook, she was good with computers/electronics and came from a privileged upbringing. Cameron Diaz was the geeky/dorky one who was socially awkward, but also very book smart. Drew Barrymore was the hot headed, cocky one who was street smart and had a rough childhood, she also had bad taste in men
was about to say just this, the real Charlies Angels movies were so good, each character had their own distinguish traits and all of them came out funny and cool and relatable.
I also love how well they written the male characters, compared to how one dimensional they make them now in any female lead action story nowadays. Lucy Lu's father was unconditionally supportive of her despite the hilarious misunderstandings of her line of "work," the Bosley's were pretty solid, with Murray's being a funny goofball but still got things done, and Mac's reluctant attitude on these high stakes missions but knowing he wouldn't let anyone hurt the Angels. Even as a kid when Bosley went from a *white* male to a *black* male, I didn't even question it because the characters were just so well done. I didn't need to be painfully struck over the head that a character has this obvious trait like _this_ Charlie's Angels did.
Didn't the director say " this movie isnt made for men" and then when they found out their movie bombed and only females showed up they said " men should be more open to female leads"
Yeah that’d be the death of man.
I absolutely loved the Wonder Woman scene in No Man's Land. I didn't feel attacked as a man because she literally can deflect bullets because she's a goddess and was the only one that could cross it.
@@asterfield02 directors need to learn that if there is a female lead it has to be " awesome female CHARACTER" not "awesome FEMALE character"
@@NamelessViking01 or just AWESOME character
Seriously my brain hurts from all these contradictions ! Can I claim paracetamols from women?!
Writers and director: *makes a bad movie*
Movie: *flops*
writers and directors: “we did nothing wrong it was all the audiences fault”
Hey audience what are you doing to my movie!
I'm not doing anything
Than why is it a flop
Because I'm not doing anything
That's Hollywood for you.
You very rarely are gonna see a studio or director admit that a movie just sucked. It is always either "the audience not being ready" or some superficial trait. Never do they consider that the script was simply bad.
When "Mars needs Moms" flopped, Disney thought that audiences obviously don't wanna see movies set on Mars so they cut "John Carter from Mars" to "John Carter" (Becaue THAT was the problem).
When "Catwoman" and "Elektra" failed, it was because audiences don't want to see female superheroes and this had nothing to do with the shit directing, awful lines and bad acting of these movies.
When "Solo" failed it was obviously because of Star Wars-franchise fatigue. Says the same studio that has been putting out three MCU movies a year for several years.
Its always mindblowing how little Hollywood Executives understand movies or audiences. They only see charts with superficial traits
@@wjzav1971 i wanna add a terminator movie to that chart but theres so many examples I cant choose
have fun XD lol
Technically they're right. It was our fault it flopped. Because it sucked.
Gender politics shouldn't be a zero sum game. Supporting women doesn't necessarily mean you have to hate men to do it.
well said
WRONG! Or els you support the patriarchy!!
jk
Women want participation medals
Too bad real life has no participation medals and/or trophies for merely existing in space and time, @@StandWatie1862. What life does have to offer for sure are Darwin Awards.
@@adamgray1753 Unfortunately what we're witnessing is reverse Darwinism.
Most men don't hate their mother, most women don't hate their father. Pandering to a demographic that vehemently hates an entire gender gives you a very tiny target audience...
yep we as human dont hate mother and father
@@danielmuhkirz1373 me love mother, mother good, mother make me food
@@Celestial-Idiot grandma makes better food
Great grand mother made even better food.
Beyonce - All the women who independent
Throw your hands up at me
All the honeys who making money
Throw your hands up at me
All the mamas who profit dollars
Throw your hands up at me
Also Beyonce - Can you pay my bills?
Can you pay my telephone bills?
Do you pay my automo' bills?
If you did, then maybe we could chill
I don't think you do
So, you and me are through
iPOR QUE NO LOS DOS!
Just a thought - how sexist is it actually to make a movie where the only way they can elevate women is by degrading and tearing down men? Like, we're not stupid. If the directors feel the only way to elevate women is by tearing down men then that kind of implies that the writers and the directors themselves don't think women are capable of being in a good movie by their own merit alone. Ahh... the bigotry of low expectations rears its head once again.
It this movie was set in a fantasy world, then the writers would have an excuse to write this kind of script.
This! I'm so tired of movies that try to empower women but ended up making it the whole plot. Why don't we just normalise strong female leads? Life imitates art imitates life, if we keep on making movies as a reminder that women were perceived less then we would never get over it
Just the fact that they feel the need to do that is bad
@@milkeyway7105 It's almost as if strong characters should be a requirement in any movie.
Very good point. never looked at it from that point of view.
the truth is they had such a great opportunity to empower many ladies of all kinds through this movie. I remember the cartoon version of this was so good and entertaining especially to young boys.
Had they proved individual skills and weakness can collect into an impressive team or that physically strong women can exist and smart but not so physical women can exist too, It would have been an amazing movie. Had Kristen's character had had an impossible child life and had had to be resilient on the streets to survive. then a journey where she learns to trust in her team and learns she can reliably rely on someone else without losing herself. wouldn't that have been very relatable to many girls and many guys. Such a great opportunity blown.
all they managed to tell young girls is that if you are not very sexy and not very smart and also very physically strong and capable all the same time then all the men, who are all evil unless they sound so nice and tell you everything you want to hear, will destroy you.
As sad as it is, Hollywood tends to write strong FEMALE characters instead of STRONG female characters
Dang that's a really important distinction that I didn't think of before
Dayummm;What sort of wisdom is it💪🏻💯
How to make a classic strong FEMALE character:
-take a toxic male character;
-make it female;
-profit;
this means literally nothing, just a pseudo intellectual comment
I think the problem is that they don’t write strong female CHARACTERS because they’re too focused on the first two
I’m a woman, and I can’t relate to characters who are portrayed as having no flaws. It actually makes me feel like I’m not good enough, when they say women can do anything
I’m a guy and I know that you dont have to be a woman to understand this.
😑
I'm more likely to relate to a rock than these angels, regardless of my gender
And it's not like men can do everything either, that's just the way it. There some things women can do that men can't and vice versa
Agreed and this is why Instagram can be such a dangerous place; it sets a range of unrealistic expectations about society that just don't reflect reality for the 99%.
That was my first thought too, young girls are going to see this and feel confused that they aren't super good at everything at once.....
I understand "Woman can do anything" as "Women can do anything by working hard." but writers understand "women can do everything without any effort".
No woman can not do anything That's boshit woman were meant to be hoes wife that's your perpiss 🤣🤣🤣
In a nutshell:
❌ Female characters that happen to be strong.
✅ Strong characters that happen to be female.
Holy shit. That’s the smartest comment I’ve seen.
See "Annihilation". Sci-fi, weird and cool. The main cast just happens to be female. It's not used as a crutch or selling point.
This. The only point they make to the characters' gender is "every previous team was all male and failed so let's see what happens" and then don't mention it again. And it's a very good movie.
Am i the only one who saw the drake meme
That's why Wonder Woman was such a good movie.
My mom was a fan of the original Charlie’s angles, and she took a writing class in her younger days, when we saw this she was literally yelling at the screen because of how bad it was. We legit had to calm her down.
Hard-core fan.
That's how you know you have a cool mom. Wish I could have been there to see it.
Lmao
@Trevor Philips It is, she was literally standing up and storming towards the screen just pointing and screaming. Any more and we would’ve had to buy a new TV. And we aren’t the most financially stable family lol.
Damn
"If a character can do everything, then theres nothing for the character to grow from"
The critical drinker
Only in personality but a character need to have some personality flaws in the first place
Case in point: Rey from the Star Wars sequels.
Goddamned Mary Sue.
Well i mean the movie or show the character's from can be interesting (e.g. One Punch Man)
Goah Dejen he does have room to grew not in strength or power but in his mentality and mindset
@@goahdejen6176 OP is a satire anime where the main target of satire is being op.
This movie is very accurate. As a man, all I can think about is how to manipulate, harass, and endanger women as I am a simple, primal creature that feeds on tears and pain.
Wait WHAT?!? YOURE DOING THE SAME? Never thought i wasnt the only one.
Thid movie is super relatable. As a woman, by default I am a demigod who can get rid of climate change in just a minute.
@@nyancat.123 Of course!
@@nyancat.123 A fellow demigod queen! I remember the day I first decided I wanted to learn Latin and then I just, like, knew it 🤪 that’s when I knew, being femail is sow kewl
@@eileensnow6153 LatinX get it right 😆
Remember when being a cool character meant you were a cool character, regardless of gender? Like Ripley from Aliens?
Ripley was also written originally as a man. It was swapped last minute and made it more interesting. It could've been played by any gender and still be good cause the foundation writing was good.
In Alien and Aliens, Ripley didn't start out as a badass, she developed into a badass in the movie. Even in Aliens, Burk and the marines cast Ripley in a supporting role until she showed them she is the smartest, most capable person in the room.
You finally see Ripley's character replace her public image among the marines after Burk's failed attempt to implant the aliens in her and Newt.
I would say that is what makes good movies. Leave the politically-fueled agendas outside the studio, and just make great movies. Otherwise, it's just propaganda, because anyone can recognize it for what it is.
I member!
Remember when you could differentiate between masculine and feminine?
@Benjamin McMullan what the fuck happen to women? They can vote, they can body build and star in movies,cartoons and more and they have the Gall to say THEY are OPPRESSED!?😡
“Women can do anything”
Is a good message
“Women can do everything”
Is making a Mary Sue
Para Mommy so true..
And that's why Rey from Star Wars is a piss poor character.
What’s a Mary Sue?
fiveelms2011 it’s was fictional character from Star Trek
“ I think it’s was fan fiction or something.. please don’t ask I not into Star Trek “ there was so good at anything that she didn’t have any faults..
Coolt XZ thank you 😊
Why are all "badass" woman always some 40-50 kg woman with perfect skin, almost no muscle and the personality of a piece of wood?
It’s why I love Gwendolene Christie so much
This is one thing that annoys me so much.
If you're gonna have a character that is a master martial artist, or even a street brawler, give them bodies that actually make those claims look realistic.
The best example I can think of that lately was Angel Dust from Deadpool. She actually looked like she could fight and, surprise surprise, her actress is an an MMA fighter, so she's built like a brick.
Bc they still need to be sexy apparently so that the majority of men watch it too
@@Zikar Yay!!! another Gina Carano fan!!! She's also co-starring with baby Yoda and Pedro Pascal in the Mandalorian if you miss her.
@@MrPunch09 Gotta love Gina. I'm sad they didn't make her wonder woman.
"when everybody is special, the only thing they can't do is to be unique"
so damn true.
Exactly also when every one is super no one is
I always womder What wonderwomen Clan do for Breeding or Sex, do they use Monkeys or Black Horses
@@xeecerzkaviuoer9200 if I'm not mistaken, kidnap, rape and murder.
that's the only way an all female tribe can be inseminated. you kidnap men, rape them and get rid of the evidence.
it's that or a skill to gender swap so they can inseminate each other.
unless it's divine intervention (the feminist answer)
@@WilliamWizer Jeez Us
@@xeecerzkaviuoer9200 they left island at night in boats find sailors do snu snu with them and then kill them,9 months later if its a girl they'll keep her and if its a boy they'll sold them or there's a god who takes the boys with him and raise them and they work with him he's a Greek god who who makes weapons
You can find the comic
Fun Fact: More people saw this vid than the movie. But I guess we all already knew that.
I forgot this movie even existed until I saw this video.
RandomZach21 bruh factz
Olaf Lesniak You serious? Damn
i only knew about this movie coz the videos on you tube calling it a failure.
Shit dude I just did the math ur totally right if 1.6 million people went to go see this movie in theatres in would have made a little over 20 million
"In a world where women can do and be anything, the one thing they can't do is be unique"
_Your words cut deep into my soul_
@Rapper Riders
IKR? I heard that and was like:"Dang... That cut REALLLY DEEP dogg! O_O"
“When everyone is special, no one will be”
The villain from Incredibles
Legend
@@reflectivetrev2430 wasn't it the speed kid who said that
When hard times come, it will, people will go back to what they naturally are. The pretend strong whamen, will all decide miraculously to wear skirts, put on heels, put their hair down and drop to their knees. History tells us this, so does reality and common sense.
You will see the manly men be promoted by the MSM, politicians and corporations in unison. Everyone will know their roles, and this fake agenda, push towards communism(feminism/identity/SJW) will end within a month.
From a female perspective: I wasn’t interested in any of these actresses and it just looked over-produced, lame, and corny.
Which apparently was a correct assumption.
Let's not forget poorly written & poorly directed.
@@tonya4029 remember women dont have to do anything anymore, but turn up and all is good
A O that’s no different than their roles forty years ago when they just existed as damsels, moms and love interests. Studios never know how to actually make them humans.
lacountess lmao good point
Male leading movies : the hero tend to protect his beloved female .
Female leasing movies : tend to insult and villainize every male they meet .
Male leading movies: beloved female dies at the beginning and he now manly takes revenge
Female leading movies: there cannot be a beloved male, because if there was, he would be lead role.
@@endlessstudent3512 because having healthy relationship with men is not empowering and makes them dependent on men. Only relationships that are allowed is a lesbian relationship 🤣🤣
Im a male. I’m writing my anime story about a relationship during a dystopia where ones a female zombie and the male is a brainwashed soldier clone.
In my story they both are willing to die for each other and I’ll even allow my male character to get wounded to allow the love interest to save him
No not because of politcal statements but because they love each other and there is no gender bias crap. I believe in good characters not good gender characters.
One problem with woke movies and video games is they throw the gender or race victim thing on to make a politcal statement.
I have no problem with female leads example being lucina from fire emblem not that she’s the main character but you can control her and boy o boy I use her all the time like she’s a main character cause she’s a absolute badass and I ship her and robin.
I never once looked at Lucina as a overpowered female. She’s a natural badass who’s female. I respect the fact that she never treats male genders differently she’s treats everyone the same.
Woke movies always has to have female leads male men look stupid for no reason or there the white main villian
@@5552-d8b Sounds good, I'd read it! It sounds like neither character is defined by their gender, and you could probably switch the male/female roles without affecting the story.
@@paladinjones1833 thank you for the comment. You could switch genders and it wouldn’t be affected. In my story gender dispute is not in my anime story compared to woke movies. In my story i want my characters to be mature and not have a politcal statement to make about everything.
If you need to tear men down to raise women up, the actual message you're sending is "women can not be better then men without the odds stacked in their favour"
Which is in fact true and being enacted daily. Men and women aren't meant to compete we're meant to cooperate.
It's crazy, you two both had a valid point to make and did it without insulting each other??? What the hell site am I on right now lol!
@@TheAcad3mic that's very clever actually
@@ashleycorp349 Thanks. The feminist dichotomy that history is basically a power game by men inflicted upon women is utter horseshit in my opinion. It also goes against nature, that is to say that in a level competition most women would be utterly dominated by most men to the point of mutual embarrassment. And that's only insulting to a modern sensibility that frames a woman as someone who is supposed to be a rival and a conqueror of her men. Very few People benefit from such a mindset.
@@TheAcad3mic not that I disagree with what you are saying but when you say "competition" what are you envisioning? Competitions in what?
I love how the "super strong women" are 50kg models with perfect skin, makeup, and no muscles haha
Yeah i dont understand why they refuse strong characters to look strong. Like not even particularly ripped but just some clear muscle definition where they dont look like they weigh 100kg between them. Like they do mf martial arts and shit and they look like they drink fittea and cardio all day
@@mimries9612 A chad woman would look like zarya from overwatch. They prefer using models because beautiful women sell the movie
@@fv8405 That's true. Kinda the human condition lmao, hopefully people will put their horny aside and support movies that have strong and well-written female characters
@@fv8405 Some woman whom work out majority on legs, are hotter then these models i see.
Because people are gonna say that they look like males and their body is not feminine lol if he a female ur gonna understand
"This movie wasn't made for men to watch..."
-Men don't go watch movie...
Elizabeth Banks: **Surprised Pikachu Face**
Yeah and she even said in a conference that men should had watched the movie as favor for women because we apparently watch "men movies" as a favor for them
What's funny is that it turned out about 54% of the total audience that went to see the film was men.
@@Lugbzurg Not a difficult stat when only 15 people actually bought a ticket.
@Kurt Barryman I don't think you know what feminism is
@@Southparker42 When feminists says: "it's better for innocent men to be put in jail for false rape accusation than for a single rapist to be let free", it's not far off.
As a woman, this approach makes me like MALE characters more- because they're the underdogs, and most people love an underdog. They are more interesting and relatable. But what I find funny is how now we have all these female-led tv/movie REMAKES that we're supposed to think are ground breaking for women. As I said, REMAKES. Like this film, Mulan, Charmed, and Lara Croft. Do they think we're that stupid that we really do think there have been no good female roles before? I grew up in the 80s, and as a young kid I enjoyed Wonder Woman, Jamie Sommers aka the Bionic Woman, Leia in Star Wars, and so on. As a teen I had Ripley from Aliens, Sarah Connor, X-Files' Scully, Xena, etc.
Actually to me it feels like that is the target...make you root for the man. Also: in the 80th there were a ton of really sexist movies, treating women as object whose only reason for existence is to please men. Just watch the old movies with eyes open. However we had those good female heros in the 80th also, just very few. what makes me said, is the the movie industry just cooks up the same recipe of the old male-action movies, just replacing the man with a woman instead of using this opportunity (female action leads) to create a different type of action movies. Less: just beat everything down and win. More: avoid direct combat, use poisons, razors and yet to be invented gadget, make the female lead someone who can vanish, is clever but also looses sometimes. Why are they still not trying something new?
You'll see , in future, feminists are not embraced but thrown out of society. They become so toxic that we throw them out and their ideas burn out. Its clear that actually, feminism xinstead of empowering women, it actually is and will have very negative effects for women.
Exactly!
THANK YOU! There have been great women in movies for generations and trying to erase that with cheap knock offs with no story is childish.
@@endlessstudent3512 bruh why u so butt hurt I've seen you in every comment trying to defend these kind of nonsensical movie and finding the negatives in the comments
Women : We want more well written female characters with realistic flaws and character motivations
Hollywood : what's that? More Mary Sues, we got you covered.
Shade🤣
Ehh i think its more the feminism
The screenplay, direction and production was by Elizebeth Banks. Hollywood was not the problem here.
Not the M-word !!!!
brandoncheatem I think what they were tryna say is that this isn’t a problem exclusive to Elizabeth Banks. I understand that not all of Hollywood is like this and I think they do too, But it was just a simple generalization for the sake of flow in the comment and I don’t think they deserve to be judged on it :)
“Straight white men, don’t watch this movie”
A few moment later
“Why aren’t straight white men watching this movie?”
"Pikachu face"
If it flops it's coz of men.
I don't care how you portray men, as long as we don't throw any money at it and you don't get your bonus we will take any "criticism"
Hold on This whole operation was your idea
@@HM-wn2in what
@@HM-wn2in What? Are you saying it's men's fault?
"Men hate movies led by women"
Me watching Kill Bill for the 30th time
Kill bill is a piece of art
Xena, Alien, Tomb Raider, Long Kiss Goodnight, Underworld... maybe the problem isn't women.
Also didnt wonder woman make a shit ton of money AND was universally acclaimed?
dude...i watched frozen 2 like 4 times in theatre. just me...no friends....no date...i just liked the movie and the music....oh boy...holy all that is good....that music....lol
*Me watching Terminator 1/2 for the 100th time*
In the original Charlie's Angels everybody were competent in everything but there was one who was outstanding. Lucy Liu's character was the nerd, Drew Barrymore was the adrenaline junkie and Cameron Diaz was the one who knew how to use guns the best; all of them knew their stuff from one another but one was the best at it, and it didn't tear down each other, they complemented each other, aside the fact all of them were dealing with bad stuff at the same time.
The weird thing is that the original Charlie's Angels have always been about badass women, so there was no reason to push the "gender agenda" when it was already done perfectly in the OG
So true . They ran in high heels but they were wedges that are easier to run in and other thoughtful touches like that made it realistic.
Exactly
@@eastlynburkholder3559 the gender thing gave the film the go ahead. like "ghostbusters sucked, so instead of doing a role reversal, lets exploit an already female franchise, to push the agenda". the sucky part is that they were not able to cover up these intentions with clever writing, instead they tried to use fast paced action and family guy gags - a la stranger things3.
Amen to that. Hell say what you will about the early 2000's remakes, but at LEAST they had fun and were fun to watch and embraced the over the top nature of action and didn't push that gender crap
I had no problem with Charlie’s Angel but then again I’m not insecure.
How to write a female character:
Step 1: Write a character
Step 2: Character is female
Take out step 1 and your correct
@@Luna-xr3dk you're*
How to not write a female character:
1. Create superman
2. Make him female
3. Insert some misogynistic characters
Hollywood
Step 1: Character is female
Step 2: Write character around being female
@@justafurrywithinternet317 * YooYr
When I think about a great way to portray a “badass woman” I think of the animated Mulan movie.
Yes, she accomplished a lot, but we see her initially really bad at what she does. We root for her and her victories are more deserved. Additionally, she still has plenty of funny moments, making her more well-rounded.
I’m so tired of these “emotionless, badass, perfect” women in movies. Please. Literally give me anything else.
Padme
@Tracker X Agreed.
May I just add that I love the animated Mulan and I would never get tired of repeating it, I know it all word by word😂
You are totally right, she is portrayed as a real women, someone who is cable, strong and independent yet she also has a soft side where she cares for the people she love in this case going into war for her father and she also has a little crush on her commander, that's girly for me, the fact that she has flaws it's what makes her more humane and relatable and during combat she had support by the men to save china which overall shows that despite our differences in gender, race blah blah we are all human😊
Mulan is possibly the only female lead character in a Disney movie I have ever actually been able to label as "favourite" because of that. She struggles, she fails, but she doesn't give up, and that's a major part of what makes her a good character, that she's allowed to go through that and show regular, human emotion as she does so.
Alien's Ripley
As a woman I'm so sick of seeing movies like this. It's insulting to women and men. I don't like being beaten over the head with a social message. I feel like this is in way too many movies lately, some group is completely demonized. I'm not capable of doing everything just because I'm a woman, I'll be good at some things, mediocre at other and bad at some. Can't we have strong characters that happen to be women in a realistic light.
" when women by nature can be and do anything, the one thing they can't do is be unique "
This sentence has the potential to become a quote.....wow.
"technically it is a quote just not a famous one actually everything you say is a quote" -maximo rios
@@maximorios2000 Wow, thought provoking. Can I use this quote sometime?
@@maximorios2000
‘My ass hurts from sitting in wooden chairs’
Gotsomham
it's same idea as syndrome's quote "when everyone's super, no one will be"
@@gotsomham "Then buy one with cushion."
They're making strong female characters, except they forgot the "character" part
The main theme of a character should never be just their gender. The need a fricken personality first!
Lil Bastard they are chasing a ghost wishing to be alive
diane spencer
“In a world where everyone can do everything, the one thing they can’t do is be unique.” This shit just got real!
Who said that? Can't find the quote anywhere.
A Name You Can't Remember it was in the video around half way through
@@cfclegend7509 Ah, yes.. thanks! Was probably reading the comments when he said it 🤣😅
Was so deep when I heard it
Too many degenerates
My favorite movie about empowering women is “A League of Their Own” about the first female baseball team and what they had to go through. It’s based after a true story so obviously every character is very unique in their own way, and it shows how difficult it was for a woman to do a more male dominating sport (with catcalling and no one taking them seriously) it showed that women are capable regardless of what the men said, and it didn’t say “all men are bad” either. There were good men who grew to believe in the women baseball team. Because strong women don’t need to tear men down to feel strong. And what also helped was that the message wasn’t about feminism, it was about female baseball, specifically the main character and her sister and their relationship through it all. It was about the bonds the girls shared and the bond that grew with Tom Hank’s character. It’s such a lovely movie that teaches female empowerment 1000x better than movies like these.
That movie is absolutely fantastic.
Brilliant movie and a great cast well done and well written
I used to love that movie and haven't seen it in like 20 years. Thanks for reminding of it,
when i say i want STRONG female characters, i don’t need female characters that are both physically strong and extremely intellectual. by “strong female characters,” i want interesting and flawed characters that go through obstacles + have their own stories and lessons to tell. them having to happen to be women or girls, even better!!!
I knew exactly what you mean. SEMI- LONG POST AHEAD!
For a somewhat recent example of this, I'd look at the 2015 film 'Krampus,' specifically at the character Aunt Linda. She's not a strong Amazon who also happens to be a brilliant scientist; She's an average, slightly overweight homemaker who has some issues with her sister (Which they both can be blamed for) when they all get together for Christmas. Over the course of the film, she and her sister begin setting aside their differences amid the ordeal their families are going through. Then, around the film's second act, there's a scene when they and another adult are attacked in the attic by killer toys Krampus has sicced on them. When all seems lost, Aunt Linda (Who at the time was wearing a goofy- looking Rudolph sweater) gains a nice shot of courage, and uses a broken- off icicle and axe to bravely fight off the toys and save her family. I'd say THAT's an example of a strong, empowering, inspirational example for women; An average, seemingly- unimpressive woman whose love for her family gives her the strength to stand up to evil.
Like the new terminator
Anddddd you can have both types of 'strong female characters'! Ta-da!
Captain Marvel is exactly this. Too strong. I mean, she destroyed a ship in seconds that the whole Avengers could not even make a dent in. It's not that she's a woman, it's that she doesn't have any character flaws.
@@invizcharlie9477 I think the biggest problem with Captain Marvel is that the creators are taking a character that's unlikeable and trying to convince us that she's likeable. With Tony, he's portrayed as unlikeable and we know he's unlikeable. And then he experiences character growth. Captain Marvel is a flat, arrogant, and dull character with no growth or likeability.
It’s so hard to imagine, there wasn’t one person like “ummm this is a bad idea.”
There probably was. And he was ignored.
@@falsinar enphasis on "He"
Nope. There were a few people and they were dubbed misogynist/sexist pigs. I mean, I knew the movie sucked when I found out that J.Law. + Zoe Kravitz were like, this script isn't good, and turned down the role. (+)
Michael pellegrini pretty sure even if they saw how sexist it was unlike most of the other staff that was helping to make it they would know it’ll be too much of a high risk and end up targeted to get fired for “other” reasons. And/Or they’re getting paid so whatevs and think about what to get on their break.
@@falsinar or cancelled.
Unless the story demands it, a protagonist's gender, sex, or sexuality should only come across as a coincidence and not the point.
Is that a quote from somewhere because that should be in every “how to write a character” manual
I agree. Some people take this too far tho. For example, there is this character from a video game who is gay. Being gay is a significant part of his story. People bitched about this fact.
They apparently didn't pick up that his father throwing him out of the house for being gay was pivotal character moment for him. Just remember that focusing on one of these aspects to push the narrative in a well written way is not automatically bad.
@@oscara8454 Absolutely! This is a great example of a character's sexuality being important for the narrative so therefore it should be mentioned. Didn't meant to make it sound like no story can do that. I'm really sorry if it wasn't clear enough.
@@TheAlanon It should have some impact- their backstory/ childhood (abused/rejected as a kid for it) or their actions in a minor way (reacting differently to certain situations than others in the film). It should not be their entire identity. Liking horses or alcohol or fishing is not a personality. Having only one passion or trait is not something to build a character off of.
@@oscara8454 whats the character called? the game seems interesting.
Ah yes, the three angels:
1. The Tall One
2. Kristen Stewart
3. Princess Jasmine
The Charlie's Angels with Diaz, Luu, and Barrymore was pretty dope because it didn't take itself too serious.
Dude anything is better than this
I still prefer the 70's Angels myself. They were not cartoony and did take itself serious. And was believable. Of course they had a entire tv show.
The one with Drew and Co. was anti gun not anti men....
New angel's: women trying to be men, not the angels
Classic angel's: women being themselves, the angels
Btw i loved the original cast, it's a shame they got replaced, given that they're aged now. With that said they didn't really need a new Charlie's angels, the old one was gold(not perfect but awesome).
Putting Bill Murray in the movie helps too 👌
they. made.. Patrick Stewart an evil character.
That's it
we ride at dawn
I have assembled an army of sane people which Dawn?
@@emperorandreas6245 all dawns
And not even the interesting kind of evil like his friend Erik Lensherr AKA Magneto, just a generic bland evil like the antagonists of all those dollar bin FPS games from the 2000s.
Patrick Stewart became evil the moment he decided to be part of the new woke Trek.
Watch "conspiracy theory"
Fun fact: I only know the movie because of this video.
Me too haha
Same..😂
I forgot this movie existed until this video
I think I was vaguely aware of the idea, or had seen like one trailer, once, and then dismissed it
Same
Something that way too many movies do is try and strengthen one demographic by putting another down. Life is never black-and-white, it’s grey
pretty green tbh
@@cheesegreater5739 nahh, it's blue
@@UnknownUser049 but only when you look up
So it’s okay when men demean women but when they do the same it is terrible and sexist? Funny.
Elastic girl : " Everyone's special Dash"
Dash : "which is just another way of saying No One is" .
I was going to like but I didn't want to ruin the 420
@@MrHotstuff011 you can ruin it now
Basically a way to justify... "children in need"
Syndrome: And when everybody's super... No one will be.
Re-ees Daniels capitalizing the letters in "No One" makes it look like there is a specific person named "No One". In this case Dash is talking about people in general so that shouldn't be capitalized.
Syndrome: When everybody is Super, no one is.
Elastigirl: everyone is special.
Dash: which means no one is.
Exactly. Take the Star Wars sequel trilogy.
"Who's the pilot?"
"Poe... and Rey."
"Okay, well who's good with a blaster?"
"Finn... and Rey."
"That's, uh... well, then, who's the Jedi?"
"That'd be Rey."
"Isn't she the lead, though?"
"Yeah - she does it all."
"Then why do the other characters exist and what makes Rey special?"
"...."
"...."
"...um..."
"Riiiiiiggghht...."
@@WrathofFenrir99 "whos the chosen one?" Anakin... but rey is more chosen than him"
Also who's the Jedi master that teaches others? Yoda.... And also Rei, she teaches herself.
@@WrathofFenrir99 she's not the villain ... just fake outs ... damnit , I'm seeing how people can hate these movies
@@hanburgundy4317 Who's the good guy? Rey.
Who's the bad guy? Kylo and Rey.
Who's the emotional weight? Rey and a couple others.
Who's the tech genius? Rey.
I rewatched episode 4 not too long ago and for all it's flaws, at least the characters have character and are consistent. If you need a thing hacking or bypassing, R2 and C3PO do it, not Luke. Hell, look shoots the door controls and realises right after that that's probably also the bridge controls. He's the hero, but he's not especially smart. If it were Rey, she'd have been breaking it open and bypassing shit like she does with the Millennium Falcon.
men dont watch female movies
me a man who watched every disney princess movie:
My sister made me watch the old barbie movies and they were lit
I've watched most of the female led franchises ever made
Me who watched the 2000s Charlie's angels films
@@brayanflores8128 I still have the entire script of the diamond castle and the princess & the pauper memorized by heart
Me a boy who wacht Tinkerbell movie:
Honestly I want this trend to continue for a few years so it bombs to the point that these “directors” are blackballed from the industry and we can get actual movies with plots again.
"Men don't watch movies with strong female characters."
Kill Bill and Aliens: *cease to exist*
The OT Star Wars, Terminator 1 and 2, Anna and the King, even LOTR had strong female characters. I know I’m missing a lot but I’m really tired.
And who doesn’t love Game of Thrones either
Hunger games too my guy
Raizo Kurogane But Hunger Games was a really obscure, indie movie. Barely anyone watched that, so it doesn’t count, lol.
@@Digganob590 indie movie that barely anyone watched? I'm confused by this
110lbs woman punches 6’5 muscular man.
Dude goes flying across the room
“Why aren’t people watching this movie”
Have you seen birds of prey? A girl on rollerskates with a wooden mallet can beat up numerous 6 foot+ muscular men at the same time with ease
I mean most action movies are unrealistic and require at least some degree of suspension of disbelief. That isn't even the main problem. The main problem is that it has terrible writing.
@@ZombieChan84 Most action movies require zome degree of suspension of disbelief...but that is out the window when you make something that is supposed to be somewhat "real world" and make it totally unrealistic.
@@ZombieChan84 yeh but Charlie’s angels are not ment to have super powers lol there spies not mutants.
@Liam Ward yeh I don’t know dude being built doesn’t mean you can fight well. That’s just a fact being big doesn’t mean you can beat everyone up I’ve seen a skinny boxer beat up a built bodybuilder with ease. Muscle alone doesn’t win fights and Arnold well he is a body builder not necessarily a fighter
"Men dont watch movies with female protagonists"
*wonder woman casually makes 700 milion dollars*
Charlie actually liking wonder woman and giving it a good moist meter score
@This is the Way the first one was good
@This is the Way oh yeah two sucked
I didn't watch any of the ww movies.
It's a shit movie but better than this.
I used to love Totally Spies when I was a kid and although I don't know if that's a good comparison, the point you made about them all being good fighters and that making them harder to differentiate reminded me of it. In Totally Spies the characters are incredibly similar on the surface, they're 'girls' girls' and they're all unstopable super spies. The thing is though, their personalities were so different, the way they looked at situations, the way they expressed their interests, the challenges each one of them faced and how they resolved it seemed so different and then they would be brought back together again on the common ground of being really into shopping and kicking ass. Obviously, too shallow for media for adults, but it's crazy to me that the writers of Totally Spies are better able to differentiate their protagonists and give them autonomy in the show than the writers of a hollywood blockbuster with a multi-million budget. Also, I was a boy and could still find great enjoyment from it even though I wasn't the target demographic. Powerpuff girls too but that's in a different league all together.
I love Totally Spies
Dude you gave me flashbacks of my childhood
Dude totally spies and powerpuff girls are awesome. I loved watching those and I was also not the target demographic.
lmao, i watched it too, was a boy too
Fun fact if you didn't know: Totally Spies was inspired by Charlie's Angels. So it really is a good comparison you've made !
When a movie is well written you don't even think about the gender of the main character
Exactly! Isn't important strong female characters, is important good characters, in a movoe well made that don't matter for the character gender.
I disagree with that, a lot of people see the male gaze female character as the one that reminds you that they’re women, and the other side being what we see in Charlie’s angels. But gender can be a very important part of a characters identity, if someone approaches it (for either gender) with class, without going to those extremes
Amen to that. Iva always believed that. I remember watching Kill Bill, was like "Dam she can kick ass".... not... "for a woman she surely can kick ass"
I think the same any movie written and directed the right way will the a decent movie and you won’t even think about the gender about the character for example the first wonder women
a story about the struggle of women is going to make it evident that the main character is a woman - thats not a bad thing. its when it tips into being downright obnoxious, like this movie is. from the first minute we should understand that the character is a woman who struggles because of patriarchal society. we are not so dumb that we need constant, explicit and condescending reminders every 30 seconds for the remainder of the film.
Depicting ALL men as being purely evil in movies doesn't make woman look better. It makes YOU look hypocritical.
It makes the writer and director look like they have serious issues and need help.
I'm a man and most guys are..
@@drahzziizzard4322 sure thing, "dude".
@@drahzziizzard4322 Consider upgrading your peer group.
There is a deliberate agenda behind why the portray men the way the do
I loved the 2000’s Charlie’s Angels- they were fun, lighthearted, imaginative with unique feminine heroes. Not to mention the obviously gold star cast...Lucy Lu, Cameron Diaz, and Drew Barrymore have no competition and each of them were captivating to watch.
@@adolfohernandez4307 this one is the tv show, right?
I agree, even the second one wasn’t bad. And in that movie the characters were nerdy and strong but they had back stories and were so charming you kind of aloud suspension of disbelief just cause you liked them.
Yasss Lucy was just so captivating
Also none were kristen stewart levels of bland
@@TheDelta016 Charlie’s Angels- Smart,Sexy Confident, Fun, Strong women. Whoever thought oh I know Kristan Stew in my own misery, should really reconsider a different career
I distinctly remember watching one of the old Charlie's Angles movies on tape as a child and loving it. Is pretty sad to see this is what they've done with the franchise
Rip donut guy, too pure for this world. The sheer happiness on his face when he got his tasty box of treats until he was struck by tragedy.
He probably woke up. Unless he didn't.
I hate it when the people I'm supposed to support in movies unrepentantly attack and hurt innocent people and brush it off.
F
F
I identified with donut guy. So sad. Rest in peace brotha. You're going to a better place now where there's no plains.
so true he is the hero of this story
"Men hate female characters becayse they're strong"
men playing resident evil village: *please stomp me*
Hell yea
She could break my spine I'd be grateful
@@musicchannel4453 bro im grateful shes chasing me
@@Crusader316 just reading it made me acts up 😭😭😩
@@musicchannel4453 no kidding
I'm a woman, and I am SO tired of these feminist movies making every male character out to be either a useless or terrible person. Why can't they be empowering without completely degrading the opposite sex?
I agree. To beat the male or to be better than the male isn't an accomplishment worth bragging about or watching. A worthy opponent and an interesting villain is needed in a story.
This movies aren't even feminist. They're just forceful.
because it's easier to make someone look powerful, intelligent etc... when you compare them with the lowest of the low
In one word : Laziness
@@axelsmith4722
My dad has many great qualities. I say that first. However to play games (dominoes or cards or board games) with him is or can be painful. He needs to win in a childish way. I thought 'ok you have 500 or 5000 points for showing up at the table' and I suggested this to him but he refused it. My step mom said we declare you to have already be winning from before the first dice throw or card played and this he refused. I can enjoy a game if I am not the winning. I can enjoy polishing my skills and bettering my score and if the game allows by trying a different strategy.
He wants to win and he is lavish and persistently petty and vengeful if he does not win. And it goes beyond that, you must lose. I enjoy beating you by sheer luck or by my brilliant strategy. However spoiling your win is not my only source of fun. I enjoy conversation during games and witty banter and mild mocking of other players. I also enjoy beating a good player. If the player were to be a fool or to be drugged so I could win, I would not enjoy the win.
I really enjoyed most of the movie... but they did bosley so dirty. Every single guy is useless or an asshole and it kinda killed my vibe
I also think it's interesting how, in the beginning, Kristen Stewart's character says: "attractive women something something decoration but unattractive women are invisible". Supposedly criticing men. Then the "girl power" film go on to only feature conventionally attractive women. Except like two seconds where the lady they used to "be invisible" is shown.
“You can do anything.” Is a positive message.
“You have to be everything.” Is a toxic image that leads to SO much anxiety for girls young and old.
^^^^
Revelation right here
If you have to be everything it means you won't need anyone, no wonder why these types of women are single and dying alone with their cats 🤔
“You can do anything “ is a bad message. Because let’s be honest, you CAN’T do everything.
@@Tes-qe1jc EXACTLY nobody is perfect
They went so deep into making the women "strong" and "powerful" that they literally forgot to give them flaws. The whole female cast are mary sues
And pretty much all Mary Sues are exactly the same. That's even worse when you have not only 1 but 3 Mary Sues like here. They're basically 3 times the same character, just portrayed by different actors. And i'm losing the term "character" losely here.
Funny enough, the movies made back in the 2000s were way more consistent and fun.
Every Angel had a expertise, personality and flaws. And they commited to being cheesy and over the top.
In this movie, they are all "jack of all traits, master of all" and everyone is so serious and act like an asshole with the protagonists. Fuck, they made Sir Patrick Steward the bad guy. Who does that?
Kirito type beat (anime sao reference)
@@Destroyer2150 Didn't know Patrick Stewart was in this, I will have to watch it now. Kind of like when Brent Spiner was in The Master of Disguise (2002). It became a must watch for me even though I cringed most of the way through it and not in a good way like with Patrick Stewart in Extras, cringed for all the right reasons then.
and it's sad because they wanted to empower women and young girls but we literally couldn't even relate to the protagonists
How to write a strong female protagonist:
Write a strong protagonist who is female
Write a human...How about that. With flaws, mistakes and character. But make her female and adjust accordingly. How about that
This is the problem with feminist movies , they just take a perfect human and put it in lead , then they take all of the worst kinds of people and shove it up the movie's plot , thus making it so unrealistic , even the demographic they try to target sees the problems , it's like taking a bunch of devils and one angel , then putting them in a 90 minutes long film about how angels are great and devils are dumb and also rapists , that's not how good writing works....
That is how any sort of character should be written. Don't write a character about the fact that they are black, just make a good character, that is black. Just like in real life, being a woman, or a man, or white, black, etc. Is not what someone is. To reduce someone's personality to solely the physical or ethnic appearance is what people have fought against in the past but now, the new generation of activist seem to go for that.
It's the main reason why i dislike the non binary shit and the constant need to put a name on what is you. You don't need too! It's stupid and it only create more insecurity. Why is the goal now to reinforce the separation instead of making it disappear ? This shows so incredibly well in storytelling as such a character is simply not interesting and is always written in an insulting way that reinforce the US vs THEM mentality that is toxic and retarded.
What an author that visited our class once told me is that : If you want to write a character that is either good at everything because they are a minority or have a terrible life because they are a minority, you are not helping, you are not writing a good character, you are trying to give yourself good people points. You are writing for your own benefit, not for storytelling.
How to actually do it, see Kill Bill
It’s almost like it’s the same as writing a good strong male character...
This is why 2000 Charlie's Angels was good. It was a fun action movie involving 3 female characters
That movie was utter trash also
Remember, girls: You are valuable. You just need to learn to fight extremely well, be acrobatic, highly intelligent on a genius level, very good looking and entertaining and you need to be able to dance.
But every woman can do that no biggie. So why can't you? Look at Kristen Stewart. She can do it.
No she can't
@@ghostlightx9005 thats the point
I'm a Man, trying to learn to dance myself.
Don't worry. Us guys have at least 1 flaw. Only 1 though
@UCfRuEYoGq1fTUyc19InX3cA I would have to say you are quite wrong with your quip, sarcastic or not.
Maintaining a thriving civilization is more dependent on leadership, specifically population control (not just increase), rules, and rule enforcement.
So JUST making babies as a woman isn't directly important to the maintenance of that civilization.
It is population control that DIRECTLY involves women's ability to birth, making her being a female important. JUST like men are required to impregnate. BOTH are required here, EQUALLY.
Outside of reproduction, BOTH men and women are capable of doing OTHER important key things like building, working, farming, researching, teaching, and serving in the military which ALL (I would argue) are MUCH more important factors than reproduction. PEOPLE in general can work as much as needed for a thriving civilization while still being able to reproduce fairly quickly if required.
Women's reproductive value is equal to men's. Further, I argue reproduction is NOT important at this point since the earth is becoming overpopulated.
SO if your comment was a snarky way of saying "All men care about is women's reproductive ability" then stfu. Men in general do not behave as if or claim this is the case. If you weren't being snarky and actually meant what you said, then ALSO stfu. You are factually wrong.
Kristen Stewart very good looking?
Best female trio I've ever watched, are the powerpuff girls.
Totally spies say hi
Gotham City Sirens would like to say hello, but I do love the Powerpuff Girls and Totally Spies.
Yeah that was some good shit
Damn straight 👍
Favts
Charlie's angels: staring Princess jasmine, Kristen Stewart, and *The Tall One*
that's one of the main problem casting the tall one didn't contribute to the movie
I think you mean bella swan
🤣🤣
OH NO NOT THE TALL ONE 😨😨😨
Not Kristen Stewart Bella swan
12:26 that's exactly what happens in 2018 She-Ra.
There's a character named Catra, who has grown up in an abusive environment, and we as the audience are supposed to sympathize with her (even when she willingly commits an apocalypse), because she's a lesbian girl.
And then there's another character named Kyle, who has also grown up in an abusive environment and is constantly bullied by LITERALLY EVERYONE AROUND, and the show treats bullying and abusing him as a joke and a running gag... because he's a boy (moreover, a gay boy). Seriously, Kyle has never even made any kind of a sexist joke in the show.
I don't get it.
The same thing happens here but not to the degree of apocalypse. I saw in this video alone how time and time again the angels kept hurting their male adversaries even though they were clearly out of commission. I would have been ok with the movie but the fact the angels were just needlessly cruel is what really put me off. They seemed more like villains than heroes.
A hero feels bad for hurting people and they usually try to avoid it as much as possible, villains are the ones that relish in kicking their opponents when they are down. Kind of like the angels in this movie.
The most hilarious aspect of these gender politic movies is that even the target audiences won't pay to see them.
Generally they like being loud and complaining. Not making or paying to see decent films.
Yeah because their badly written and just overcompensating with the whole were strong independent women bullshit birds of prey was brilliant
I wanted to see it, but they cancelled the release in the country I am from, so....
@@veronikarovenska4671 that sucks hope you can pirate it somehow maybe?
@@veronikarovenska4671 lol classic move
bite the hand that feeds
My mother is a fan of Charlie's Angels and loved the old movies. She was really excited to see this movie, but once she came home she told me how horrible it was and actually asked me if I could download the first movie so she could forget about this one.
the old movies were amazing
Your mom is cool.
Daaamn.
@@SirZeck Very cool.
Oh that cold
"...and when everyone's super...no one will be..."
-Syndrome, The Incredibles
Copy pasted ://
@@navedhasan4632 it's because its a quote
@@random-jn8ec but it’s a quote
Sums up this awful movie in a nutshell.
Copy pasta
This movie is EXACTLY why we need lesser “STRONG FEMALE CHARACTERS” and more “STRONG CHARACTERS WHO HAPPEN TO BE FEMALE”
In the old Charlie's Angels movies they weren't obsessed with gender but everything in Those films tell you how a woman can be intelligent, fierce and capable of everything.
When you think about it, both previous movies have men and women as good and evil. It evens the plainfield.
"Can be" being the key part, not "is".
@@KindredBrujah them bitches being born as some deity. That just means they're born great, they don't work to get there; they're born like that. That's Mary Sue af, and Mary Sue = Bad Writing
Yeah pretty much anyone can be become corrupt, see breaking bad for a good example
And while doing so, they don't try to put men down.
70s Angels: Perfect
2000s Angels: Fun
2019: Angels: Propaganda
2029 trans angels
@@martinjovanovic6783 ironically, there already is a website with that name (i wouldnt recommend accessing it with other people near you)
Right? It's like the franchise has been done twice. Both are beloved in their own way. And still was empowering to women. If it isn't broke don't fix it.
I did wish that these Angels would stand out as good in their own way. The 2000s Angels are fun and nostalgic; even the 70s Angels have their own charm to them that’s easy to understand why fans would like to see reboots of the series. But nothing to these 2019 Angels sticks out besides the “women are flawless because all men suck” mentality
Where did we go wrong.
We should have used this movie’s budget to feed starving kids.
hell, burning the money would've been more useful to society than this movie
@@natrod8628 true
@@natrod8628 bruh
@@natrod8628 No, we sholdve donated it to #teamtrees
you wouldn't feed one homeless men because the money didn't make any profit
"When women by nature can do and be everything,
the one thing they can't do is being unique"
Damn, well said!
“Men don’t watch movies with strong female leads.”
Watches Sigourney weaver in the Alien series for the hundredth time...
Born in the 90s here.
Back in those early 2000 days my friends and I all agreed Sarah Connor and ripley are some of the best action movie protagonists of all time
amazing that "aliens" gets it right in 1986 and yet hollywood cant do it over again. well maybe terminator 2.
I love the alien movies! I watch them as back ground entertainment while doing chores around the house.
I’m a man and also have watched Aliens movies with Ripley exciting and sometimes scaring me over and over again.
Don't forget Kill Bill, Mad Max Fury Road, Faora from Man of Steel
The OG Charlie's Angels would've destroyed them.
When you say OG, do you mean Farrah Fawcett, Kate Jackson, and Jaclyn Smith?
Exactly. The OG tv series, or the McG movies actually had characters, interesting villains, etc.
Timothy Dalbeck
The Diaz/Barrymore/Liu trio are also amazing
@@IrbyPace
Yeah.. the OG, the McG's and these are the Wanna'Gs
I really liked both the original and 2000's Charlie's angels. My generation was the 2000's one, so I watched those first. I loved how each of them had their own unique personality. Cameron Diaz was cute and hot with general smarts. Lucy Liu was this stoic, serious badass and was also technologically smart and Drew Barrymore was adorable and kind of "free-spirited" (not in a slutty way) with a dark past and was street smart. Even their smarts were unique to them. They complimented each other, instead of blending into each other. And then we have these wannabes...(-_-)
How to make good female leads:
Make good characters.THEN make them female.
Or just make actual female characters with real female traits. No one wants women pretending to be men.
EDIT: also, no, you can't design a good character and just genderswap them at the end. Men and women are different. A strong character has their gender decided early in the design process. You make a female character, THEN you make them good. Too many people just stop at the "make female" part and forget that that there's more to it than that.
Sad thing is some of these movies that have all female lead characters were wrote by females themselves. It's like those female writers don't know how to write a female character.
By making female characters good leaders, don't you make them masculine? The Mary Sue is the innate birthright value of the feminine projected by gender egalitarians onto masculine domains, where one is not born with value, instead value is is made by struggle, violence, competition and sacrifice.
@Gerry C I actually saw a couple of Bourne movies but I don't remember her so she must have been a just a plot device.
@Gerry C
Ayn Rand didn't appreciate the feminine. Just like feminists.
I feel bad to all the staffs and actors that signed contracts to participate in this dumpster fire
Let's not forget that a woman directed shrek and I don't even need to explain how that's a good thing based off how good shrek is.
Edit: ok you know what, alot of butthurt people keep saying that I'm saying that shrek was only good because a woman helped to develop it. I'm not. I'm saying this because some commenters were saying things like "see this is why women can't make movies and stuff" so I was basically saying that gender doesn't determine how good a movie is. I'm not giving that lady all the credit. So can people stop replying with BS attacking me. I had a person say that I'm disrespectful because I called the lady a female instead of a women so can you people grow a pair and stop getting offended by everything? Thanks
So was hurtlocker but this movie is just shit
@@teroterskamaki3395 that the same director who make zero dark thirty and it's actually good
Female also wrote the "Harry Potter" highest selling non religious book of all time
@@shansidiqi8564 yeah i believe rowling now is going a little bit of crazy with sjw
Shriek forever!
''in a world were everyone's special no one is'' syndrome vibes right now
I remembered Dash quote first
@@nwoDekaTsyawlA oh yeah
"You're unique! Just like everybody else."
In the context of this movie review, I finally get the meaning of this message.😅
That what "equity" does. That is what "they" want.
I like how the third good dude says "if you need to talk I'm also a licensed psychotherapist" completely omitting the fact that licensed psychotherapists NEVER do therapy for their friends and family because any sort of previous relationship with a client can severely impact the effectiveness, credibility and the client/patient - therapist level of relationship between them.
Yeah, always important to have a distinction between friend and patient. You can (and probably should) be friendly with a patient, but until they're no longer your patient you're not quite friends
And also makes him an absolute SIMP 😂
To be fair, he says that to a girl who isn't his friend but rather someone he met a few minutes ago.
He should've just announced he has a vibrating detachable penis and a zipper mouth. Same energy
That is the element of this film that upset you? lol
This is such a perfect breakdown of why the movie failed. Thank you for this.
"If the movie doenst goes weel its because men dont suport female at movies"
Kill bill, Wonder woman, terminator 2 , alien: Shut up.
Terminator 2? doesn’t Arnold and John get more screen time than Sarah?
Or I mean I know terminator isn’t a female lead movie
@@hyperraidsaerofrights5649 yes, but she was talking about strong woman, and I remenber to think that was a diferent actor from the first, because she was so ripped off, this is common today with woman in movies, but not in that time.
Sr Saito right
WW was not good better than Captain Marvel but it was not a great film sorry
@@future-tm1tb I am not saying that is good, I am saying that it was supported, because of the huge money the estudio gained from the movie.
My GF was in costume for this movie, she said the script was so bad it made her want to gouge her eyes out.
Huh. Was she an extra?
@@rabbitsurvivor1896 No actually, she worked in the costume department.
@@rabbitsurvivor1896 To be honest, when she told me it was 'Charlie's Angels' I immediately thought 'I know what's gonna happen. It'll carry the tired old feminist tropes, it'll be badly received, it'll bomb at the box office, and the filmmakers will blame "sexism and misogyny" for its failure'.
Wow your girlfriend must had some hard times to not offend those people😬😬
@@07g53 Nah, she was fine. She said that people were professional, they didn't really notice her. Most of the blame seems to lie with Elizabeth Banks and her ego/lack of self-awareness.
Honestly, Dora the Explorer is more empowering than any of the women in this movie
edit: *wow mom i'm famous*
and she's BLIND
@@horsenuggets1018 ikr 🤣
@@horsenuggets1018 Love the representation *-*
Which empowered women should I kick next?
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Muy bien! Great choice!
And as a kid I actually used to root for the character wanted her to succeed in her goal as much as she wanted herself
Only a movie with a motive like that would make a wholesome man like Sir Patrick Stewart a bad guy.
As a woman, I was uncomfortable with this film. Honestly, the second hand embarrassment I felt for whoever made it, was through the roof.
As a woman, I couldn't even finish it , it was so bad .
As a man, I agree
Yes, if i was into conspiracy-theory would would think, that there is a secret organisation of movie-making men, that make the action movies with women so bad, that even feminist women do not want to see them. To undermine female-empowerment :D
“If everyone’s super,
No one will be”
-Syndrome, The Incredibles
The more I grow the more I start to understand villains from movies I grew up with
Dash says it earlier in the film than Syndrome.
Pick Flick yeah but he replaced it with special not super
Thank god the Incredibles movies and Syndrome exist
Franco Sal lol I grew up on that movie
Ironically, a feminist movie has turned into a sexist one
Edit: aight since my inbox hasn't caught a break since I said this imma clarify some things.
By DEFINITION feminism is about equal rights for EVERYONE. I was using the real definition of the word when I made this comment.
Most feminists just want equal rights. But yes, all of you are right, there are those who want women to be above men. Yes, they exist. But people who claim to be feminists while treating men unequally aren't actually feminists.
The irony is that they claim and think they're feminists when they aren't. That's what I meant when I made this comment.
Let me stress this. Feminism by definition isn't bad. People who CALL themselves feminists but don't realize they aren't feminists ARE bad. Let's call these people "False Feminists".
Most of you read "feminists" in my comment the same way I would view "false feminists".
Thank you for listening to my Ted talk
Ironically you say?
I Feel Like Its "Ironic" If You Think The Feminists Are ACTUALLY Trying To Be Equal And Not "woman good man bad"
I mean it’s not ironic
Hmm yes
The floor here is made out of floor
Its not iriny its just facts. I now this is sarcasm
Filmento really really knows how to break down movies. He doesn't criticize a movie because he hates the message in it. No, he criticizes movies because they were made bad.
Totally Spies is a better spy show than this. Shouldve made a movie on it instead
Even the original Charlie’s Angels movie is better
Bruh fr i watched that shit religiously as a kid
@@brandondaniels2027 same, it was amazing too bad they don't do stuff like that anymore
I would def watch a live action version of that
They already did years ago. Let’s keep it that way.
Remember when female protagonists were actually characters
Good times
Kill Bill for example
Terminator, Aliens, Veronica Mars.
My childhood favorite Monsters vs. Aliens where the protagonist is a 50-foot woman that doesn’t brag about being a “strong woman” but instead we’re given a protagonist that is relatable the way she reacts to the environment around her, and there’s an instance where she’s mad at “doing everything” without getting help is genuine.
We hit a very brief sweet spot, where we transitioned from weak-minded fragile women who are only house wives to Alien/Kill Bill, then we went to women are good at everything ever.
@@edmontonboy99 if only Monsters vs Aliens was good movie
God I hate that movie
@@panpan1287 Monsters vs. Aliens is my guilty pleasure, but I respect your opinion.
This whole "men hate strong female characters" arguement bothers me.
Leia Organa, Elizabeth Swan, Furiosa, Wonder Woman, Sarah Connor, Peggy Carter, Black Widow, Hermione Granger, Ellen Ripley, Katniss Everdeen, Scarlet Witch, Padme Amidala, Ahsoka Tano, Ramona Flowers, Mulan, and Elastigirl would all like to know your location
[accept] [deny]
men just hate *poorly written* characters that just try to arrogantly talk down to them instead of being genuinely good characters.
Hell, every person who has commented on my name being Sarah Connor has been a guy.
the animated Mulan, not the live action please
@@doggie0819 oh yeah obviously
Peggy Carter, lol
Holy shit great examples
The original angels were feminine, fun, and strong! That was a feat, not this.
“In a world where everyone is special, no one is special” very true.
『Wheel of Fortune』 the ordinary people will be special.
Syndrome! Epic
"And with everyone super....no one will be." -Syndrome-
Syndrome was right when everyone is super no one will be
Lmao just realized he got that from syndrome. Sorry bout that.
Jessica Jones
Wonder Woman
Terminator
Alien
3%
Hunger Games
The Previous Charlie’s Angels
Etc...
You know the difference between those franchises and franchises like Charlie’s angels? They had more to them than the gender of the protagonist
@HaremGodRance also Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Xena, Star Trek Voyager and Stargate SG1. But these examples don't count because the male characters equals
I like to add Angelina Jolie's classic "Tomb Raider"
@@neonmaple5259 her Lara Croft now looks less unbeatable and unbearable thanks to these new do it all perfect female characters.
I mean, there was a lot of bullshit in Lara Croft's action sequences in those movies, but now it's not that extreme, and it's obvious that Lara's character was much better written.
Wonder woman was a enjoyable film
YES, Jessica Jones actually has quite a lot of feminist messages and themes, but it's handled very well and effectively, it doesn't hit you over the head with it.
Funny that the last Charlies Angels movie series easily defined the personalities of their characters. all three were pretty, flirty, and good fighters, but Lucy Lu was the techy person of the group, she was a bad cook, she was good with computers/electronics and came from a privileged upbringing. Cameron Diaz was the geeky/dorky one who was socially awkward, but also very book smart. Drew Barrymore was the hot headed, cocky one who was street smart and had a rough childhood, she also had bad taste in men
was about to say just this, the real Charlies Angels movies were so good, each character had their own distinguish traits and all of them came out funny and cool and relatable.
At least the Chad was great
Wade don’t forget Sam Rockwell amazing dancing scene..
I also love how well they written the male characters, compared to how one dimensional they make them now in any female lead action story nowadays. Lucy Lu's father was unconditionally supportive of her despite the hilarious misunderstandings of her line of "work," the Bosley's were pretty solid, with Murray's being a funny goofball but still got things done, and Mac's reluctant attitude on these high stakes missions but knowing he wouldn't let anyone hurt the Angels.
Even as a kid when Bosley went from a *white* male to a *black* male, I didn't even question it because the characters were just so well done. I didn't need to be painfully struck over the head that a character has this obvious trait like _this_ Charlie's Angels did.
And that's why those movies were awesome.
This is why i (as a women) NEVER even thought of watching this movie!!