Elle Duncan and Lucy Discuss Why the Poor WNBA and Caitlin Clark Discourse Has Been Exhausting
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- Elle Duncan, host of ABC's WNBA Countdown joins the show after Lucy shares her thoughts on why the Caitlin Clark and WNBA discourse has been so exhausting. Then Elle, shares what it is like as someone so close to the league and how it can improve.
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People have loved making fun of the WNBA for my whole life, and their interest in Caitlin Clark hasn't dissuaded their desire to make fun of the WNBA at all.
I'm not gonna lie the WNBA is hard to watch even when CC is playing. It's almost like watching rec center basketball with a bunch of players that used to be good. At times it is fun also, but it is nothing like watching the NBA, and I can see why the league has struggled to grow. I used to watch the WNBA back when it first premiered. One thing I can say is we men want to league to succeed and be successful. All some of us are saying is that hey, you have this woman over here that can grow your league and put your best players in the spotlight. She doesn't have to be one of the best 12 players in your league, but if you put her on your USA roster millions more with watch and they will see first hand how talented the other women are. She won't play much, so the world will be able to see these women play. Now, instead of having one lady who's extremely popular, you now will have 4 or 5 women with new young fans.
If anything it’s easier too now seeing as they’re doing everything to fumble the bag
Thats how criticism works. Sports are supposed to be a profitable entertainment industry, not a subsidized charity.
Do you sit online and defend Sh***y movies that lost money in the box office, after you pretend that you watched them yourself?
Warranted criticism. You can't force people to consume bad entertainment
Seems like all the women in the wnba are more visible now because of CC coming into the league. Unfortunately there are those trying to grab their piece of the light she brings by throwing shade on her. Need to stop the negative and sit back and watch the play. Oh..and to those tauting that DT has slightly better shot average than this youngster I say, sure.. her arrival has got all those players stepping up AND while being double+ guarded and with little break in her schedule. Bottom line.. she be fine and is determined to keep working through the muck. And THAT is what we love about this kid!
“I’m tired of everyone talking about Caitlin Clark. Let’s have a 20 minute segment on it.”
😂
You sound like a hater
You don't have to listen or watch
Spot on 😂
😂😂
What about the women covering the nba and nfl should we tell them to stay on women sports because they don't know how to think
Yes
They wanted attention but are mad now that the attention is here cause of who is bringing it.
💯🎯
Sorry, most Caitlin fans didn't come here to help the WNBA. If you think so, you've got it backwards. The eyes are here. But we're just consumers who all like the same product. It's up to the WNBA to sell us something while we're in the store.
They don't come to 'help' the WNB a.A. Absolutely right. Dan's fans can barely tolerate female sports commentators here. And if they become a regular, oh boy, they pick them apart.
It seems like there are two opposing views here. The WNBA was excited to have Caitlin help the WNBA as it is. The new fans want to see more pure skills like the NBA and want the WNBA to change so that CC and the players to follow her can play like her too. I see that both sides feel very strongly about it. Unfortuanatley a lot of mean things have been said on both sides while the direction the WNBA will go is being decided.
@@ydcee3123so you’d rather 10 fans watching all the games than 100,000 fans watching fever games 💀
@@sarademoret425"pure skills" = someone jack up 3s at 31% shooting and turning the ball over on 1 out of every 3 pick and rolls while getting stomped by 30 or 40 everytime they play a good team. The idea that CC fandom is more informed about basketball is most absurd possible comment, as shown on a nightly basis. Give her time to actually improve her skills.
While what you're saying is true, it's also partially true that y'all can just watch more content that doesn't feature CC.
Lucy even wants to say "I love CC, let's stop talking just about her", then goes on to only talk about her and ZERO WNBA stories.
There are fantastic stories in the W, just y'all aren't tuning in or talking.
My issue with the Olympics is that they kept up trying to keep the CC fans interested even though they had the team decided months ago. What I mean is they invited CC to camp. Oh yeah its during the final four. Then they said well her first games will be her tryout. Well her number were better than Taurasi. Then they waited until the 3x3 had already announced so CC couldn't be on 3x3. She's far better the Hailey Van Lithe.
It's like when new people discover something and ruin it. That's what this feels like.
Ruin the wnba 😮 ummmm wouldn't that imply there was something good to begin with bruh 😅😅😅
@@idahoman325that's funny
It’s political now so it’s poison.
The wnba and women's bball has done this to themselves!
That's a daft defense for a sick league
That girl saying men cause all of women's problems is crazy.
Right just imagine if a man said that about women, which is probably a truer statement
Women don’t even watch the WNBA 90% of the audience are men. These women are embarrassing themselves and I am a left wing person.
No one tears down women like other women. They are blaming men when men are 90% of the WNBA audience - and the NBA the men of the NBA are why the WNBA exists.
Modern women want the authority of men, the privileges of women, and the accountability of children.
This CC thing has changed my entire perception of these sports “journalist” women - this has NOT been their finest hour and they are just proving all the shit men talk about is beyond true.
90% of the WNBA audience are men lol. I am one of them and have been for years. The gaslighting female reporters are doing is offensive on this topic.
We have female reporters covering the NFL that say all types of things about men that are in their feelings cause CLEAR JEALOUSY is being called out.
This is about women who just can’t handle being criticized by men. The gaslighting and pearl clutching going on is amazing.
Those of us that watch like myself can SEE with our eyeballs that CC is being guarded differently than ANY other rookie and ANY other player we have EVER seen - not just this year. We called men out of being jealous of rookies that came into various leagues - if you want to be talked about like a legit sports league - get talked about honestly like a legit sports league.
If you want gentle special treatment - go sit at the kids table and be content being a second tier league that begs for fans.
You are getting the attention and they are MAD at who is giving them the attention.
New fans are here and their response is “don’t talk about the sport”, “don’t criticize us”, “don’t get too hype about rookies we were here before!”.
You were here before and lecturing new fans will push away new fans.
Women play sports - men watch sports. Ask a random woman if she has ever watched the WNBA. They don’t. Women don’t support the WNBA - men do.
Get off your high horse - you sound ridiculous and I am a left wing person who watches the WNBA and this show - now a right wing hate monger and if I am nauseated by this I can’t imagine how hard others are rolling their eyes and changing the channel.
Newsflash buddy!
super typical. The gender that started that POS diet basketball league AND kept it afloat by subsidizing it and paying these women like its a necessary charity effort get s*** on by sexist, leftist women.
Why are you gatekeeping the wnba from new fans. These type of discussions make people not wanna watch the wnba.
The WNBA makes people not wanna watch the WNBA.
Not sure if you know this but things tend to not be fun when belligerent and ignorant people join the party.
just men, actually. The people that started this circus charity event. the people that would change it from losing 100 fking million dollars every year.
"dont watch if you have a weiner"
@@bradenhazle4378 not sure if you know this but most business ventures get shut the fk down if they lose 9 figures a fking year. they dont have room to gatekeep. smd
@bradenhazle4378 Imagine calling "those people" ignorant and belligerent when it's actually YOU!!😂😂😂
I miss the “Hey, please watch us” WNBA. I’d rather not be told how to fan, by a league that 12 people were watching for 25+ years.
The so called "12 people" that watched just appreciated the game and the sport and wasn't here crying about "petty, jealous and hatred" instead just talking about basketball.
You'd rather be ignorant about what you're seeing? Hm. Yeah, that checks.
That Duncan lady start watching woman basketball this year people can’t take her seriously she a joke she the type of person I’m tired keep talking about Caitlin then she keep talking about her 😂 tf
@@Jawand23 If she started this year, you started yesterday, champ. Carry on, though. **Mute**
@@EssAhrBeewhy don’t you carry on if you don’t like people’s takes on it
When is someone going to be up front..... it's a low level product and most consumers eyes.
See when you do that, then here comes the oh you hate women comments.
You can't stop talking about CC. Her popularity have global reach she is a player who has the star quality that piques your interest.
I couldn’t give less of a shit about Clark. A bunch of white folks and patriarchal dudes can’t figure out why a lot of folks don’t give a damn about miss white unicorn lady. She’s just another basketball player.
Amen. Agree 1000%...🇺🇸
Global?
I think you're vastly overestimating foreign interest in US college sports, women sports at that.
America is not global .....America really thinks what happens in our bubble, the world cares about. She is not global.
The NFL is the MOST PROFITABLE LEAGUE in the country, and they have an Annual “Competition Meeting” to assess the rules and what the fans want……WNBA is basically saying we will serve you what we want and you will have to eat it……w/o realizing that we don’t have to eat it……🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
And no one is eating it - the league has NEVER turned a profit and 90% of the audience ARE MEN!!!! Ask a woman if she has ever watched one WNBA game.
The gaslighting they are doing here is offensive. I am a liberal person but this is the kind of BS that gives liberalism a bad name.
The wnba guards CC like they are in kindergarten and then say shes not good enough to play for the olympic team. They are guarding her like she is the greatest player in history. No woman in the history of the wnba has faced this type of 90 ft faceguarding.
Well if she is so good, it shouldn't matter how they guard her, they doubled and tripled team Jordan all the time and he still dropped 30 on they ass, she just might not be as good as the hype, but we shall see.
Coddling, are you serious? Have you seen the assault? fouls and don’t give me anything about physicality. That word is used to cover updirty fouls you’re a little speech loses viewers every hour
LMAO at assault. Have you called the cops yet?
As Gilbert Arenas said, “ It’s hard for women to hear men speak honestly about women publicly. Yall don’t want our opinions just our viewership”
When they marry us. They only want our checks and labor, not our opinions.🤷🏾♂️
@@kennethsmith6367go read a book dummy
I just don’t think anyone wants to hear strong opinions from people who are uneducated on the topic they’re speaking about, which is happening a lot in these WNBA convos
@@HimieFreemanformer basketball players are uneducated on talking about basketball🤔 men aren’t allowed to have a public opinion like Gil said
@@terellcarter8780 yes, a former basketball player can be uneducated about a completely different league with completely different playstyle, history, and storylines. Most NBA players will not be knowledgeable about the CBL. Hell, there are NBA players who have admitted to not watching much NBA, let alone the W. Gil literally is quoted in the past saying the way to fix the WNBA was to have the women wear less clothes and have less ugly players. Does that sound like someone who has the requisite respect and understanding of the WNBA? If your answer is yes, then newsflash, you do not have the requisite respect and understanding of the WNBA.
The WNBA is the only sports league that has ever questioned their new fans and why they’re watching? I keep hearing that it’s about race, or sexuality, but who cares? Does anyone question why the NFL is a behemoth now and dominates any competition? All i have heard for 25+ years is people are missing out on a good product in the WNBA and how the players are underpaid. They finally have a player that is bringing in fans on a level the league has never seen, which will reward ALL of them with higher salaries in the future. And they are complaining about it? SMH
The people shouting about ‘growing the game’ aren’t the least bit interested in actually growing the game.
Great point
These fans should be questioned.... bc a lot of you don't seem to love basketball -
You seem to care only bc you wanna see a white person dominate a black person's sport.
And if that's true - and plenty of times it is true - then that's offensive....
This happened 35 or more years ago to my uncle - He invited his coworker over to his house to watch the fight. This coworker happened to be caucasian. One of the challengers on fight night was caucasian. The champion was black.
of course the white coworker really wanted the white guy to win - he probably didn't understand boxing, didn't care. This was all about race in his mind. Of course the white boxer lost.
But that was the early 80s ... .it's now the year 2024.
But that just proves a lot of you can be just as backwards and racist as people from the late 70s/ 80s who didn't watch the celtics
@@MrLarryLessorCC = Rocky Balboa and it’s sad
When did the league ever questioned its fans? That never happened.
I want people to ask good questions. I want someone to ask Elle how it is not a snub when Clark has better stats than Taurasi and Gray can't play right now? Also, why is no one criticizing US basketball that this is the first time they have ever not had anyone under the age of 24 on the roster? Also can we talk about "Diana Taurasi is shooting better from distance than anyone" when it's 34% to Clark's 33% and 22nd best in the league? I am not saying it is unfair that Clark was left off. There are preference reasons to pick others over her, but the narrative she hasn't earned it is not backed by actual stats. She has the 5th best stats of any guard and the 3rd best fantasy stats of any guard when 7 guards were selected. That is a snub. I am sorry if people don't want to admit that because no one can be rational on either side. In EVERY other sport we can use stats and claim players are snubbed for all star spots. Why is that not true now?
These players also tried out for the team and made it. So they should lose their spot that they worked for because someone draws better views?
@@tcincali9642yes
WNBA is trying hard not to grow...these ladies are insane blame the fans what???
“Everyone new to the sport is showing up with pitchforks”.??? If the coaches and veterans had welcomed her and embraced her , this could have gone a different way. But so many of the old guard in and associated with the league chose to diminish her, act petty and target her. That’s what happened. She’s a young talent who deserves mentorship. Instead her IDOLS tore her down publicly out of jealousy that they had not received the same popularity. The old guard started this mob scene..
Aside from that, her team isn’t talented, doesn’t seem to be well couched and her team mates don’t care to defer to her. As far as basketball is concerned, she’s in a pretty terrible situation for her skill set. All the while being double and triple teamed sometimes from full court. So all around, the league has exposed itself as dysfunctional and the Fever has exposed itself as not a complimentary fit for her game. It seems like a terrible situation and to her credit she is keeping her grace.
😂 They just said there are so many story lines this weekend in the wnba… yet no one is talking about any of these so called “headlines”. It’ll all be about CC right now. Goes to show how irrelevant the women’s game still is…
So you didn't listen to the entire episode. Elle went on for about 5 minutes about multiple other storylines.
@@williambrown6983 I did listen. You mean all of them “storylines” that none of these networks/podcasts/social media is talking about, right?!?!? 😂
@@Someone_VIP Ahh, gotcha. So you're not talking about what was discussed in the show. Just about other media and networks. I guess, depending on who you're listening and/or watching.
@@williambrown6983 correct. I guarantee you there is no major network, major podcast or major sports personality that leads of with a “wnba” headline, unless it’s got CC in it.
Caitlyn Clark made the league relevant for 5 minutes and you’re already complaining
Wnba is must not see TV
Ok, so the NBA screwed up believing the WNBA players, coaches and refs were ready for the phenom that is CC. They let amateurs mess up the bigly times that was supposed to be a fresh start on the road to profitability. No sweat, just correct: Refs need to protect players. Players need PR-classes. Coaches need management lessons. And CC needs to be at Paris. Obviously...
Also, LeBatard bashing Stephen A. then following his blueprint for clicks and views is hilarious.
It's very simple. Bully or not bully. Have character or not. Ladies? Make your move.
This activist you have reporting is giving a gaslighting and feminist talking point master class. Yikes.
Omg not the lady that says that Caitlin has pretty privilege 🤣🤣🤣 she’s really making a name for herself but constantly talking about Caitlin 🤦🏻♀️
thats a different lightskin woman
Lucy is absolutely annoying... She's like a whiny 6 year old...
The fact that the WNBA thought that Caitlin Clark fans would automatically embrace all their players is crazy. New viewers are not New Fans they are old Caitlin Clark fans, many who have been following her journey since high school. The reality is they are here for Caitlin and that is hard for alot of people to accept. The best thing WNBA players can do is play there best and shine and let people decide who they want to be fans of. Caitlin Clark has to face alot of other players so enjoy the spotlight and be recognized for your game like her and not all this other nonsense. The "MEN" who are now watching aren't the only ones, just look at the average audience in most fever games, from 8 to 80, male and female of all races and everyone is bringing their money with them so just embrace it and play your best game.
Well said.
New to the sport brining in pitchforks? This is off the charts bad faith.
where are Nike NBC and the other sponsors, they will lose business with this decision.
America loves 🥰 Catlin Clark and we demand she be part of the Olympic team
🇺🇸
Respect Lucia Harris the woman who has been awarded the honor of being the first woman selected by the NBA, New Orleans Jazz.
only black woman and lesbians are important fans is what elle is saying, men and strait white woman dont matter
Caitlyn is not straight her boyfriend is a beard. Iowa knows
"I didn't expect everyone to be that stupid." [1:45] Never underestimate the stupidity of groupthink.
There is no "coddling" by men for Clark, there is only hate by the loud men towards the rest of the WNBA league, players, and USA Women's Basketball. The mistake is thinking the men are doing this *for* her.
For all the guys who think women are out to hate on other women, just listen to the first thing Duncan says coming on the show [4:00].
Clark had to be left off the USA Women's Olympic team because of the Caitlin Clark Catch-22: she is popular because she is different in a different way (The Steph Curry Way), but the rest of the players are playing in the pre-Curry way. Clark and the other players will need time to figure out how to fit together. Curry needed several years until the Warriors were 'his' team.
And I finished writing this while getting to 12:40 in the video, when Elle (we're friends, right? 😂) finished saying exactly this.
Being her team and olympics are 2 different things..plus nba and wnba is different. Also the league lost 50 million this year
Now what
@@ralphpal The NBA and WNBA are linked companies. Making or losing money with companies like these is complicated.
What point are you trying to make with "Being her team and olympics"?
I am a founder/ceo and graduate of university of IOWA who was on on Dr Tom Davis’ basketball staff. Lucy sucks and it’s embarrassing you hired here. Love the show otherwise. Btw, I have never commented on anything in social media before
Listening to Elle Duncan hurts my brain absolutely zero logic all emotion.
😂
Your accusation is a clownish confession.
Lol horrible takes
This lady is CC biggest hater
I am so tired of these condescending hypocrites in the media. Instead of constantly doing TV shows, videos & articles bashing Caitlin Clark fans while complaining that other players deserve attention, why don't all of you just use your platforms to actually talk about those other WNBA players? Its because unlike those other players, talking about Caitlin Clark gets you a lot more clicks, views & money. So just stop with the fake outrage & hypocrisy.
That's right.
I mean CC is now also supposed to fix all of the countries intersectionality issues. FFS people
walks like a duck, looks like a duck, quacks like a duck... lets do in-depth analysis on why it's not really a duck. everyone, as in the USA, wants to see CC on the floor, not 42 year old diana taurasi, who's been to every olympics since jim thorpe. Golden opportunity to grow their brand completely ignored, and every person not emotionally entangled in ladyball sees the spite and jealousy clear as day.
I don’t know why men and new Caitlin fans don’t understand why existing W fans and sensible sports fans can see right through there bs. It’s not sustainable to grow the league with these bandwagon fans- yall aren’t watching anybody else in the league so why would anybody take yall seriously? You want folks to anoint your ringless GOAT or they’re a hater or racist or both, it’s delusional and everybody is tired of it.
No one is saying that this is gaslighting at its finest. 90% of the WNBA audience are and always have been men.
Ask a random woman if she has ever watched the WNBA - see the responses you get.
I had league pass the last few years - I am a liberal person - the treatment she is getting is objectively different and lying about it is making these purists look ridiculous.
She isn’t “the goat” but she is getting guarded harder than any other player in the league including the MVP, vets, and her teammates don’t help her.
If she sucks so bad why is the entire league on a mission to shut her down every night? Can’t make those 2 things make logical sense.
Basketball fans know what we see - we don’t need the grandstanding and gaslighting because “real fans” now want to defend women’s basketball from the straight white girl.
People want her to fail so bad it’s scrambling their brains. Cause they wanna say “told you so” and “see we don’t need you!”
The WNBA has been a 27 year charity. They have never turned a profit one time. You need casual fans. I was excited for this season - I didn’t realize the women in the league would be so jealous they would rather see the league fail than have CC be the one who brings them attention.
Angel Reese celebrating that cheap shot was a big deal not cause the play was so insane - cause we know we are being gaslit by women deep in their feelings over this and people pointed to that moment to say “see we know what we are watching”.
Then punking out and running from the media and trying to make Chennedy a victim - straight clown show stuff!!!
Now CC is being criticized cause she isn’t speaking up for the women who hate her???
Like I said I am a liberal and this type of shit is used to give liberals a bad name.
Existing W fans - I am one of them - aren’t enough to sustain the league and existing W fans that are honest are the ones who KNOW the criticism is true - which is why they are so triggered and twisting in pretzels to gaslight people.
This why women will never be president
Kamala is going to be President in about 2 months
Keep Cote off the screen when you have a guest on.
As a 30 year watcher of the WNBA I am excited by the prospect of there being an influx of new fans. And if someone is watching solely because Caitlin Clark is playing then the league isn't in any place to be picky. Elle Duncan and Jemele Hill want everyone to love Breanna Stewart and Aja Wilson as much as they love Clark but fandom doesn't work that way. You can't tell people how to fan
True story, yesterday I found out Taylor Swift was tall. So I'm like how tall and Google; 5'11". Cool, what does that look like comparatively? So I Google "WNBA Taylor Swift" thinking maybe I'd get a pic or a something put together of Swift standing next a WNBA player. All the results, every single one for the first page were Caitlin Clark; "the Taylor Swift of basketball". All the pics were of Clark on the first two scrolls.
Elle the problem is not the new people coming to the sport. You are very disingenuous and want to blame new fans. Have you missed how the "ladies" in the wnba are talking? Nobody needs your one sided take. NOBODY WANTS ANYTHING GIVEN TO CC. We just want the current wnba players to be professional.
They’re exhausted about men and new fans talking too much CC and not enough other WNBA players. The WNBA doesn’t want to hear from new fans, well they’re just going to go back to having no one being able to name more than 5 players in the league. Before this season, people probably couldn’t name 5 teams.
True I only noticed the cocky big mouths that make no sense .
Nobody in charge and on the team wanted to see Caitlin go off. They did not want to be a part of the overshadowing Caitlin's celebrity would have brought and the potential exciting plays on court she would have done. They did not want to boost this women into the stratosphere by placing her on the global stage. The fanbase in the United States doesn't care about anyone else other than Caitlin. The numbers prove it. The potential of having the world wanting just this women was just too great. The women running the WNBA jealousy truly shows.
ALLOWING CAITLIN CLARK TO GET A GOLD MEDAL WOULD HAVE MADE HER A GOD AND THEY DID NOT WANT TO DEAL WITH THAT. SO INSTEAD THEY PREEMPTIVELY CUT THE PRAISE OF HER SHORT BY 4 YEARS.
Caitlin is averaging 16 points on 37% shooting. She didn’t earn a spot on the Olympic team because she is not currently one of the top players in the WNBA. There is a difference between being the most popular player versus being one of the best players. I have little doubt that Caitlin will eventually get to being one of the best WNBA players but she isn’t there yet.
This isn’t jealousy (at least not 100%), but it is a team putting their foot down that they are not just putting the most popular player on the team over a deserving player. It actually does matter to athletes to have a gold medal and it is an accomplishment.
@@layziebdub The rest of the guards that play her position are not getting doubled teamed and played aggressively the moment they get the ball. Despite all of that she still is posting numbers that are competitive. If the outright jealousy did not exist and if she didn't have a target on her back everywhere she goes, maybe we would be seeing much different numbers.
@@sh0t0kan I’m just trying to understand your argument. Are you saying that her numbers are bad because they are playing great defense against her?
I would argue that players like Jewell Lloyd or Aja Wilson also have defenses keying in on them and they are able to be successful. Of course Caitlin would play better if she was left open but she came into the WNBA hyped up as the best thing since sliced bread and so she is receiving the type of defense that an elite offensive player would warrant. It’s up to her to figure out how to be successful, similar to how MJ had to figure out how to be successful when he was getting the focus of defense. At no point in MJ’s career did he average less than 20 points or less than 41% shooting. In fact, during the years in the late 80s where he was getting beat up by the Pistons and other teams he averaged more than 50% shooting and well over 30 points a game.
@@layziebdub The NBA changed the rules so MJ could play and be the legend he is today. In Jordan's early career he was getting crushed by other teams like the Detroit Pistons because players were double and triple teaming him just like Clark so the NBA changed the rules Google it.
@@azrael9986I did look up Jordan’s stats during the Pistons Bad Boy era. From 1986 to 1992 Jordan averaged 33.2 points on a shooting percentage of 52.3%.
Point missed by Lucy completely. It's not about CC as much it's about Women's Basketball finally making a profit and not living of men's handouts.
They are still not making a profit.
They aren’t making a profit even with all the weird ass Clark obsession.
@@tcincali9642 That’s because they haven’t negotiated a TV deal yet. Fever games will sell for a substantial amount next season. Still unsure on profitability as not sure there is a huge pull for other teams
US Olympic Committee could have selected CC if she decline WNBA draft instead play for IOWA 5th year NCAA elibility .No WNBA biases .There is no reason for them not select CC for US Paris 2024 Women Basketball Team .Then she can have another 1000 to 1100 points and add it to her 3951 score done in 4 years which will total her score to 5000 points after leaving NCAA in 2025 then nobody can break her score for the next 100 years.
It's already turning into the real housewives 😂
Espn has been The View and sports media soap operas for dopey men for decades.....🙄
If the women basketball would just embrace Caitlin just like how the MLS embraced Messi, they would be on a better place.
I heard that Clark can play either for Italy or Ireland due to her heritage.
I read she is italian so its not racism but a hate crime if she is italian
Elle is so patronizing. The new fans at least some of them are diehard hoops fans. We are attracted by clarks talent. She makes the games fun like Magic did. The Olympic decision was dumb to quote Stephen A.
Hey Lucy…. We’ve been sick of the CC talk since YOU started talking about it because she’s all you talked about…. This show literally created a position for you as the resident CC and Iowa correspondent… deal with it
I'm from the Caribbean.. And honestly CC is the only reason we in my country watch the WNBA..💯💫🌟✨
Aren't most of the new WNBA viewers existing NCAA Womens basketball fans and also men? Is the WNBA mostly, almost entirely men or families with children? You need to please your fan base if you want to keep them. I hope they don't loose me, but they seem to be trying really hard to.
If you dont agree with this woman then you aren’t researched and learned enough. Right?
I forgot why I don’t ever listen to this show. Thanks for reminding me.
For those women who are saying. What's wrong with the men. You are the same women were saying that and begging us to support the WNBA. I was supporting your broke league since before Diana Taurasi Now that we are here supporting one of your own that can sell out arenas even at away games and is captivating the whole world, you want to hate on us for loving her. Who is Caitlyn Clark. Shame on you all for your hate of Caitlin Clark and now us the ones that you need are financial support of you should be so lucky if we both just don't go away and then maybe in another 20 years you might be relevant. However I digress, Caitlin Clark is not going away anytime soon and are support of her as long as she continues to be the Superstar, smart and person and player that she is. PS Every cheap shot at Caitlin Clark and our support of her, is just showing your lack of appreciation for how the NBA has supported you thus far so that you will be able to have your league and Caitlin Clark forgetting you over the hump. Show some respect and stop being hateful and petty.
It's a league of petty, jealous and mediocre women missing layups for a couple hours. And Caitlin. WNBA and Olympic Team can go pound sand.
its unfortunate you say the correct things while then dismissing the cc issue... you can say she isnt the best 12.. but she is top 20.. and please tell me why DT and other rookies were put on the team and cc was not..NO ONE addresses that...
She lost with her men do most of bad things to women.....long time listener.... yall didn't push back at all. You lost a viewer
Why are the women in the WNBA not talking about how unfair it is to the women that biological men are playing in their league take them out Caitlin Clark would be on the Olympic team and I think a few others
Never underestimate the ability of the WNBA to get in its own way, even when presented with a winning lottery ticket.
she's just talking and don't even know the numbers of the growth in the W since the rookies entered. Be careful of who you listen to.
CC is definitely is a breath of FreshAir. Looks like coach Sides has been given instructions not to overly showcase CC’s talents so as not to give her a place on the women’s Olympic squad. Why ?? Because the WNBA is subsidized by the NBA, it, the WNBA administration has no skin in the game - they have guarateed salaries, and as a result has developed a culture corporate welfare: no growth and the grooming and maintenance of the ‘status quo’. The las thing on the minds of the administration and the ‘ground forces’ is that they don’t want to ride on the coat tails of a rookie sensation. They would rather see CC ‘fail’ so that they can say, “See, she wasn’t that great anyway.” They double down on ‘cutting their nose to spite their face.’ Though, who knows they might just cave into the great pressure of fans wanting to see her on the team
That was GREAT. I agree 100%. Not only will this come back to haunt them but it will come back to bite them in the "A$$$$" too...🇺🇸
Ain't nothing no one can say to make me not love Elle ! I love her now, i loved her yesterday, and ill love her tomorrow ❤❤❤❤
Gilbert arenas had a good take on this. Mind you the usa womens olympic basketball team been winning since 92' 😂. The question to the wnba, do you want to grow the sport or do you want to win gold. Hate it or love it, tye wnba missed out on the marketing side of this situation.
Plus they will.still.win gold
I agree 100% CC can handle her own and she knows what she’s doing when she is out there flopping like Lebron does to get calls
Well she isn't quite as bulked up as some of those women so she is more likely to go off balance. Next thing you'll be saying she ran her head into Angel' arm the other day. 😂😂😂 whatever. .
If the women would be honest it would be easier to deny her a spot on the team.
She does not deserve it right now, she’s a rookie let her gel with her team and get ready for all stars.
@@niecyxTM Her stats are better than the menopausal Taurasi. Facts!
@@NeighborTom Diana is a leader who WON in college! Who won in WNBA . Caitlin has not won anything in terms of things that matter to people. She is popular the great white savior for people who were not watching .
@@niecyxTM It's obvious what the problem is and it's not about basketball, the envy others feel towards Clark is easy to understand. Clark has made more money than all other 143 WNBA players put together and the attention she gets far surpasses all of them as well. Human nature is unwilling to look past these things and is demonstrated across all societies, men and women are equally yoked with this trait but it is most evident with women.
@@hochha her own teammates don’t even like her, let her prove herself to them first get ready for all stars her time will come .
the discourse has been exhausting so lets talk about the discourse and make more discourse
*QUESTION FOR ALL CAITLIN CLARK FANS:*
You have admitted that you don't think Caitlin is the "best player in the world". So, I ask this: If you admit that (for example) A'ja Wilson is a great player, and an exciting player... then why haven't you been watching , supporting and buying tickets to see A'ja Wilson play?
The same reason ppl rather watch Stephen curry than jokic...30 foot bombs!!
@@jaahnnn
Fake answer. cc shoots a low % and averages 15 points a game.
Now, give me the REAL reason?
Style of play. Her range and shooting like Steph Curry. She isn't shooting well this year but she will need to improve and get better no question. If she doesn't then her star will fade. Tim Duncan was great but not many wanted to see him play because he's low post, playing in the paint.
Lucy with the (Clark) doesn't say anything defense.
Lucy, how can Clark not be bothered by her name being used to justify racism, bigotry, misogyny, xenophobia, homophobia & the intersectionalities of them? WNBA players all have a platform. All have a voice & they all hold weight. Clark's silence is a luxury, and your silence, Lucy Rohden, makes you complicit in not calling out Clark's lack of defense of racism, misogyny, etc.
Cameron Brink acknowledged her white privilege, support for more masculine WNBA players, and her endorsement of they/them pronouns. All of Brink's statement applies to what 90% of LeBatard Show viewers believe, but you and Caitlin remain silent.
I thought she did speak to say it wasn't right for people to use her name connected to their racists agenda. I don't blame her for wanting to focus on the game. No matter what she does, there will be critics. She admits she can't let all the buzz get in her head because she has a lot of work ahead of her.
😂she cheated! You can’t throw it in😂
If the Fever want to trade CC then I'd love to see her on the Liberty.
You say Diana Taurasi is doing so great! WoooHooo but I got something for ya girl Caitlin Clark's stats are better than Diana Taurasi's and Alyssa Thomas's and Kelsey Plums!!! That woman on the selection committee said the reason they picked Taurasi was she was putting up monster numbers she didn't look at stats before hand I don't think!!!! And I don't need to be told how to watch sports I'm 54yrs old!!!
I don't think you can compare to Thomas because Thomas is a forward and you have to pick a roster with all positions. I also am not sure how you are weighting your stats to say Clark's are better. Plum is scoring more and shooting at a better percentage right now. The question I have is, should we really be putting a player on who has yet to play this year (Gray) when the games start in 7 weeks? Clark is the reserve, so ultimately it looks HIGHLY likely that Gray will be left off due to injury and Clark will be added.
There is only 1 MUST SEE TV. Let’s not kid ourselves here. CC PERIOD T
I don’t tune into the WNBA or Olympics to watch CC
Look how these ladies get so upset when they have to talk about Caitlin Clark. Men do all the bad stuff to women. Really??? Anyone thinking Caitlin Clark is OK with not being on the USA team, doesn’t know her very well. Caitlin unlike these ladies just knows how to speak well and say the right thing.
Montgomery and Co out Elle Duncan in
also note arike is a ballhog....CC is a ballhog too just not as bad as CC but arike more versatile on offense than CC but CC a better playmaker or at least tries to be a playmaker (yes that was a shot at arike)
I partially agree, but CC is not a ball hog. She was #3 on the all time top assist leader in college. Arike on the other hand is a ball hog. Arike is averaging 24 shots per game this year, while CC is only averaging 12.8, so Arike is getting twice the shots each game that CC is.
Isn't she Nigerian anyway?
@@amyk6319 CC is also a ballhog but she is a undercover ballhog in the sense the offense runs through her so she can shoot alot of shots...it like james harden or russell westbrook in which they since they on ball alot they stuff their stats...and as we seen with russ and CC they can't really play off ball as well...like i said before CC reminds of jason williams in a good way and in a bad way
I can tell you men are having a field day. 😂
Are we talking about the welfare team
I love you Lucy!!!!!!
Critique. That popular men just go to the one clickbait story. Then Jessica ask about the incoming dept without mentioning CC, but then Ms. Duncan's answers has a CC element to it, that I would dare say, didn't need to be in the answer.
Then, you have the WNBA anchor from ESPN, and instead of talking about, oh any of the top WNBA stories, you go to a clip of a trick shot from practice. Which of course, fits the show, but its another example of not talking about the play of the court, but instead of fluf or click bait candy. Which is part of the problem of the WNBA, is that the media doesn't go to more stories about the sport.
Although, good job going to the games for the weekend
Diana Turasi is a Dinosaur Bully
Awful show...thanks!
This show is propaganda.
Aja Wilson is not must see tv, stop it.
Elle CC hater Duncan😁
Do y’all want men to watch or not?
Ignoramt panel
You guys gotta decide if you want the WNBA to be a charity or a successful business.
Men cause women’s problems but men are 90% of the WNBA audience and the WNBA exists purely cause of the NBA.
Women support the NBA and not the WNBA. Men support the WNBA. Look at the viewership breakdowns.
This is Fox News style gaslighting. It’s so disappointing to see people I respected embarrass themselves like this.
This is just showing the pandering has gone too far. Like it was good to have me too and make things more fair but we knew we were gonna get to an absurd place and here we are lol.
Men are running the WNBA but the WNBA exists only because men watch it and fund it….make that make sense.
ELLE: "Everyone who's joining the party now (CC FANS) came in with pitchforks out"
UMMM....if memory serves, Caitlin was getting plenty of shade and hate and racism even BEFORE she got drafted. Upon entering the WNBA, it has literally exploded off the charts. As for CC FANS, myself included, who have said harsh things about other players, it has been in RESPONSE to their words about her and her treatment of her. Period.
People see all the unfair bs in their life happening to Caitlin Clark and it upsets them because it's so wrong and it's relatable.
Caitlin is an avatar for people, that one annoying host got that right.
You left out 'white' in front of 'people' there buddy.
How is Clark the one being treated unfairly? She's making 80x-100x what players who are objectively better than her make in endorsements. Hopefully a rising tide lifts all boats, but she getting far more than players who are far more accomplished than her. It really says something about you if you believe she is the one being treated unfairly.
No one is staying for none of those other players. With all due respect
Men aren’t the only ones just getting here. Women weren’t watching either lol. And I hate that women are telling guys we know nothing because it’s women’s basketball. We watch how every other league runs their business and what they did when they got their version of a Catlin. Men know sports more just stop saying we know nothing just because it’s women on the court
wnba 👎
CC👍♥️