NLP is absolutely professional! So much so that someone in the UK, managed to get their cat registered as an NLP Coach. That is how professional these certifications are!
@itsdanielleryan thank you so much for this video. I didn't know about NLP until recently. Similarly, I'd love your take on a process called Circling (from Circling International).. I think it's a similar paid program to NLP with fake certifications, but with an additional layer under the guise of creating emotional connections with practitioners and learners, encouraging openness and vulnerability, similar to therapy. This kind of tactic makes unaware folks susceptible to being emotionally manipulated by coaches they trust. Would love your take on this concerning growing program to create more awareness.
I got into NLP myself to learn so ai don’t fall for manipulation. First teacher was horrible I got out after 2 hours. It was cold manipulative and I was out. Almost quit on Nlp when a friend referred me to my current teacher who is teaching us NLP in a way that you become you more authentic and live better life. He is also mindfulness and reiki teacher and I love it. I am becoming NLP trainer myself this year and I cannot explain to you how much I ve grown since started NLP courses. I am more clear, elevated consciousness simply living better life every day. Hope this helps someone ❤
But that‘is only your story, anecdotal evidence and not more. That’s no scientific evidence that is still missing. These have not been provided for over 40 years.
The challenge with NLP is that it has small elements of psychology and human behavior that can be useful for some people. People assume because one part is true or makes sense, all of it must be true. Please be careful who you put your trust in out there!
The problem is, is that those small things already exist in psychology under different names. Meaning that it's not NLP that's useful, but actual real psychology.
NLP is simply a method of modeling excellence. The same normal thing children do by modeling others to learn. Nothing magic on it. But creators of NLP made a model of the strategies of the most successful therapist in the 70's mostly Virginia Satir (family terapist) and Milton Erickson (Hypnoterapist). I dont think NLP is a scam just is misunderstood.
I got help healing from long term trauma using time line therapy / NLP. It was the only thing that really helped me after years and years of trying traditional therapies that only triggered and retraumatized me.
NLP is popular because it works. Francine Shapiro, the creator of EMDR (the gold standard therapy for truama) was an NLP practitioner beforehand and got most of the influence for EMDR from NLP techniques, name IEM. I personally did talk therapy for over a decade and NLP helped me more in 12 sessions than talk therapy did for my entire life. I now use it with therapy clients and it works so much better than traditional talk therapy.
I was really surprised to see this. I don’t know about the corses but read “good sugar, bad sugar” Alan Carr. I was 37 when I read it and tried every different way to stop sugar addiction and everything was short lived and didn’t work. The book cost me £10 and not only do I not eat it I don’t have any cravings whatsoever. This lead me to read one about quitting smoking weed which also worked amazingly. I sought out a practitioner for a couple of specific things there were not books on and the best money o spend as each thing took one session for not a huge amount of money vs loads of different more expensive thing that I had tried. I saw you have put some results down to being anecdotal but how do you explain the millions that have quit smoking from his original book? I am on side with the unregulated training that goes on and the money grabbing it is the case in all of these areas I guess.
I feel like I may need to share a bit of my personal experience with NLP/"Mind Programming" here. Years ago, I went with some family members to a two-day workshop on NLP where we would learn how to "open up new corridors" and "recalibrate our vibrations". Save for hanging out with old friends and having good food for the two days we spent, the rest of the session was just a corporate (because there was a whole group of people from my parents' company that showed up) gathering where we learnt some kooky stuff. One time, my cousin was sick and she used NLP techniques to get better. However, it was only a temporary psychosomatic reprieve and she would feel sick again. I remember being selected as a "middle man" for an exercise where I would close my eyes and be surrounded by four people with their hands outstretched and whoever exerted "positive energy" was the one I would be drawn to when I fell. I stayed rooted for the most part and it kinda troubled the presenter for a while because he has never seen me go against his program before. Wonder what your thoughts are?
@@robertlivingstone3364 if it isn't a science, then it is being asserted without evidence. that which can be asserted without evidence can be DISMISSED without evidence. if people think that NLP is a legit way to heal their mental physical issues, they will forego actual psychiatric or medical help and end up worse off than they would have been just getting actual help based in actual science. it is also dangerous to give out phoney liscences to random people who might use their fake stature to exploit innocent victims. seriously, read some scientific literature. get off that NLP nonsense
Where you 35 years ago? Oh y’a. You weren’t born. Lol. I have wasted tens of thousands of $ on this and other bull. Honest, eager, spiritual seekers. Completely guilty. Glad you’re here to stop others going down the same road I did. Keep up the great work.
NLP is designed to program humans to look outside of themselves. If everyone just sat there and breathed in and out for 10 minutes while just paying attention to their breath, then the body will automatically be connected to the soul. Which means there’s no need for techniques, or anything. One will automatically align with their path. Neurolinguistic programing or NLP is just something that will never guide you to what’s good for your soul because it requires needing something outside of yourself. Most people that want to shift in to something they’re not, it just means that they are being ran by the ego. The soul is already whole. When we feel whole then we move with more confidence than when we are trying to be something that the ego is telling us we need to be. “Identity shifting” is something that will mess up your mind in to thinking you are being something your soul wants to be but this is all ran by ego and at the end will do a whole lot of damage. If soul wants something then one needs to do nothing more but to be. Just be. Things that are in alignment with soul will always come easy. When I was in this school I had a bad feeling and I didn’t know why, then later I realized I had to go there to learn just so I Can find out the truth! I would love to join you and share my terrible stories from a very well known NLP program that misleads people everyday! Thank you for spreading awareness!
This is very much needed info. Too many people fall for these types of things, and the way you take them through it is good. I often hate/despise the debunking when it's not nuanced, or when it's only to laugh at people getting into it as it then is only preaching to your own choir. Your approach here seems better, thanks for that, keep doing it. There is a lot of scams and misinformation that still need to be covered... How easy we can be manipulated, and how critical thinking works (and what critical thinking is not) could be a nice video topic too I guess?
@@psyaviah thanks so much, I try to remain level headed in my content because I too was once someone who fell prey to a lot of the topics I discuss on the channel. A little empathy goes a long way. I did a video about a year ago that discusses why people get scammed/how easy it is to fall for these grifts. I’d love to hear your thoughts: ruclips.net/video/ruVpzvTWLO4/видео.html
I just watched it@@itsdanielleryan. I think it's important to explain these mechanics indeed, and repeatedly. It can happen to everyone - I'll answer on that post.
I looked into NLP once because someone I knew had been certified, and all the trainings were about manipulating people to buy your stuff. Like if you get NLP certified you'll be able to set up your web pages in a way that gets people to buy, post on social media and talk to people in a specific way that gets them to buy your stuff. It's all just manipulation to make more money, not help the other person.
Everything is about manipulation TV commercials, ads , offering girl a drink, politicians empty promises etc .. I believe there’s still useful parts NLP to be used and applied to your life rather than calling the whole thing crap
Really??? Can you further explain to me especially if you've seen ' that certified NLP coach / friend of yours content' I mean I'd love to help people from the bottom of my heart But idk if I can be able to do it without any tools specifically as NLP teaches that with timeline therapy to heal others etc in certain timeline ( which for me is weird because I've been into mu own healing journey for past 3 years and healing i feel is Ongoing process, you can't claim to Heal anyother person in certain time period) which makes me question if NLP Is actually telling us to help people with 4 or 6 week sessiona Or what? I'm very confused as i dont owj any certification and i wanna help people because others were there to help me as well so its kind of Payback /reciprocating time i feel " Also my region people have been offering NLP certification in 1000$ and it's Huge investment. They do say they've practice rooms as well on Zoom where participants will be coach and other will be client, vuce versa
As a student of Philosophy, most notably epistemology and psycho analytics..I’m so so glad you made this video. It was such a chore listing to these influencers. You are doing the lords work!
I am not exactly in agreement with your analysis but you do present good arguments. This is an interesting subject; I accidentally came across NLM researching evidence for linguistics, specifically words presented using particular techniques that would condition the recipient and shift their interpretation from one interpretation of reality, through Semantics, to an entirely different one (a neuro-synaptic-cognitive-shift of interpretion of reality), that when repeated, similarly, with others, either grouped or individually, would impact enough to cause a massive social-cultural reality shift. Anyway, this wasn't it, but I did pause and listen. Thank You. Moving On...
There is part of this that I have been hearing about (and that someone in the comments for this video mentioned), which is NLP being used for manipulation and undue influence. It has been said that Ray Higdon uses NLP principles when talking to those he trains. I'm not getting what he does that would be considered using NLP. I'd be interested in seeing you do a follow up video on how NLP principles can be used this way. I've watched hours of Ray Higdon doing training because I subscribe to Julie Anderson's channel.
Sadly, I can't 'thumbs down' your post. I have been a practitioner for many years. Before this, I was a client who suffered intense PTSD and was greatly helped by this practice. I am not sure where you are getting your 'research' from but it is my deepest hope that anyone watching your video will do their OWN research before listening to your 'opinions'. I feel you are doing a great disservice to so many who can be deeply helped by this practice. Like any profession, including mechanics, there are good and bad out there. Find yourself a good qualified practitioner and get the help you need.... ignore this video.
I completely agree with all that you’re saying about NLP. I actually took a training and my intuition told me that it wasn’t “right”. So, this video has given me even more of a confirmation to stay away from NLP. Thank you
Yeah seems like a very general critique for a field of human change techniques that has hundreds of applications and even more practitioners that bring their own angles to it. I think the incollusive science is a reflection of the inability for mainstream science and psychology to understand the reality of consciousness and change. Maybe if you made some specific case examples of where its wrong would be nice. Its also a developing field and it learns from other fields.
I agree with you that there should be regulations that would limit people from duping people out of their money :( especially when they are not qualified to make the claims they are making. It seems to me that NLP is another placebo.
I am an NLP Master and NLP is an amazing tool to use in many situations. The psychologists in the video, after seeing him speaking, has problems with himself with all his affection. If you were on NLP training and did not help you, you are either not ready to be helped or the person doing it does not know how to do it properly. The change I got in my life due to NLP is tremendous but if I attended the course 2 years ago, i would say the same, because I was not ready for it. BTW. They don’t say it’s science. It is a model communication and modeling excellence. It is helping thousands of sport players every day.
Eh, I would have said the same thing as a mormon missionary, "they aren't ready to hear the truth.. yet!" It's an easy rationale for just about anything. I'm not mormon anymore, btw. The difference is I was offering my faith for free while so many "life coaches" want to charge hundreds for an hour of NLP therapy. Not to mention the thousands being charged to get "certified" in the first place. I think most people's negative perception is due to the exploitative, greedy environment NLP often exists in. As others here have said, NLP can be therapeutic in the right setting
The video is very welcome, there is no short cut to wisdom and healing no matter how much you are willing to pay, to truly grow as a person you have to read your inner book slowly and carefully, some pages may need to be reread many times, NLP is a symptom of the shallow impatient world we live in 🕊️
Really?? Can you further tell me Your own experience as a NLP Practitioner?? I've been interested in the certification from ny region which will cost me 1000$ above so im kinda intrigued to know someone who was / is in the field and tell me clearly if its a rabbit hole scam or legit to help humanity
Good work. I learned it myself in my studies to become a theraphist and i was deeply concerned about the potential harm such methods would reck on others. Over 100 years after modern psycho analytic stopped using hypnosis because off its drawbacks some shmocks try this on others. There is no shortcut for understanding the human mind, its complicated. We are complicated and its needs time to unreavel ourself, lower our defences to truly see where our problems and scars are. Such methods carve new scars or just masking you problem until they reach a boiling point and erupt into a depression.
Steve Hassan has a section on his website about NLP and how quickly it went from a therapeutic tool to used in an unethical manner. He was trained in NLP by the creator I believe. Nancy Salzman was considered an expert in the technique when she was a practicing therapist. She went on to help form NXIVM and used the technique in all her teachings. It just shows how a once considered useful tool for trained, accredited therapists became a tool for manipulation and undo influence. I wish more people would talk about this.
Call it whatever you want, but I've helped many people rid their phobias for free, using techniques I learned from Bandler. I used to use hypnosis, but now I realize that all these new age tactics exploit one thing. We are all capable of learning faster unconsciously than consciously. The "belief" that something strange done to them by a guru, is what allows them to accept the change. You can hypnotize hundreds to quit smoking for free, and hundreds of them for $250 each. The ones that pay are ten times as likely to quit smoking.
You’re spot on. I’d love to share my experience with you. What I’m certain will not happen, is none of these grifters would openly and publicly debate any of this
She's so sweet! In case you're wondering, this kind of NLP (neuro-linguistic programming) has nothing to do with the other kind of NLP (natural language processing). They both have the same acronym but are two completely different things. I thought they were related because they have the same acronym, so I was concerned for a minute. From Amazon web services: "Natural language processing is a machine learning technology that gives computers the ability to interpret, manipulate, and comprehend human language." Now that I know about the type of NLP that she talks about in the video, maybe I shouldn't tell people that I'm interested in artificial intelligence and NLP without specifying which kind of NLP.
Nice video i saw it completely ,I will be honest... Some things in Nlp works while others just doesn't. And i can see your frustration about these gold diggers practitioners..i feel same way so i wasn't trained from them,,, i just read old books and i saw that nlp took lot of things from other people's work like body language, rapport
They certainly did, they've never gave Milton Erickson the credit. And Erickson never liked Bandler because he knew he was trying to steal his work. Bandler didn't much care for Erickson as he admitted that he just saw him as a cripple.
Listen: if THE BEST coach in the world (who has worked with people like Hugh Jackman, Anthony Hopkins, Andre Agassi, Peter Lynch, the US military, Princess Diana, Bill Clinton, etc. etc. uses NLP then there is something to it which is much more important than your armchair philosophy assumptions about it. Nough said.
One of the mail NLP practitioners in my country organized a conference and invited the wolf of wall street T.T as a prime example of a person who knows how to communicae effectively. Also, he's a alumni of Grant Cardone university. Lol
Danielle. NLP practitioner trained. What!?!?!?! Oh em geeeeeeeeee. I have so many questions {insert parks and Rec gif of Chris Pratt} I also have a doterra convention I want to send you. My mind is blown.
there's this russian stand-up comedian who rose from working class to a very successful person and he has mocked manifestation big time! Laughing about how growing up poor he really was not there going through life envisioning a pretty wife and how big he was gonna get. I think it's really cool to hear from people who 'made it' in a certain industry and did not use any of these popular techniques.
As the previous commenter stated - methods in traditional talk therapy have been scientifically tested and proven in controlled environments. While I understand not every therapist/therapeutic method will work for every person, therapists are regulated and help to a very specific standard - there are safety measures in place to ensure individuals do not suffer at the hands of their therapists.
In practice they didn't work for me. They triggered me and I left each session dysregulated and retraumatized while time line therapy / NLP with no evidence was the only thing that helped me release the trauma from my subconscious and I'm finally free and have myself back. Many therapists may have that regulation but they are no good when they use "evidence" based methods to blame you and treat you like crap and don't actually help you. Here in Australia the Australian Psychological Association is now pushing for one type of therapy for each client so imagine if that doesn't work for you what will you do?
I would argue that many therapist will prolong therapy in order to keep you as a regular client and that is just as costly overtime as an NLP’s course can cost for a shorter amount of time!
@@itsdanielleryan " @itsdanielleryan 1 year ago As the previous commenter stated - methods in traditional talk therapy have been scientifically tested and proven in controlled environments. " Yeah Danielle I don't know how much you actually know about NLP but it is based off of Virginia Satire, Fritz Pearls, Pavlov, who were all originators of techniques in the field of talk therapy. So hate to be the guy but it sounds like you have no idea what you're talking about.
Off the top of my head... everyone I know who 'practices NLP' or believes in it, is a mess. A mess pretending to be a scientist, to boot. If even half of these people even know what a neuron is, I'm a flying saucer. (Also, a mess that can't even seem to 'program' themselves into getting anything done 🤣)
I know someone who got a certification and she is definitely not a mess. But I think she gives too much credence to NLP. It sounded ridiculous when I learned about it from her and sounds ridiculous now.
What if NLP was simply a collection of psychological practices to influence mind? And what if acted as a neutral tool, used by both skilled and unskilled practitioners alike, who all vary in degrees of integrity? Could it then be fair to make a distinction between those who practice NLP and the practice of NLP?
Making a positive impact, and being of service are some of my highest values- and I’d be lying if I said NLP doesn’t interest me. There’s a lot of validity in everything you’ve spoken of in your video, and I love your straightforward, truth seeking, intellectually strong perspective. You clearly want to protect people from exploitation, and I find that to be very honorable! But- I think there’s room to explore the subject vs the way it’s taught, the teachers, the students, the intention behind it, etc. I could definitely be wrong- but I’m fairly confident there’s at least some golden nuggets in the field. And when practiced with integrity and sophistication, it might be able to, potentially, change lives.
I juat started coaching sessions with someone training in CBT and NLP - I'm highly skeptical, but was under the impression NLP is one of the tools Derren Brown uses. Any thoughts on that?
I have a problem with the idea of deciding what to believe. I hear these and other woo types saying we can change our beliefs so we feel better. I want to find what's true, and belief is for things that are true. That said, I'm glad to hear NLP is baloney because I never looked into it and I was giving it too much credence.
I'm so glad I found your video becauseeeee I believe that I may be one of the NLP victims. I think I should share my weird experience with NLP. As a background, I have been clinically diagnosed with PTSD depression, and anxiety (by medical practitioners’ aka doctors, psychiatrists at actual hospitals) and I was on medication for years. But I wanted to get off the medication and a close friend of mine told me about the NLP program that helped her with her recent losses. So, I took a chance to try NLP. In each session, the practitioner told me to close my eyes, and when I took a peek, I saw him burning sage and when asked, he said to take away all the bad energy. And in two or three of the sessions, he would place a crystal in front of me and ask me to hold the crystal close my eyes, breathe in and out, and let go of all the bad thoughts and bad energy into the crystal. Then, he would go on with the breathing exercise and ask me to close my eyes and try to think of me floating outside of my body and seeing myself in the room from above (haha). Then, he would ask me questions about my goals and what are my limiting beliefs and said, “Give me the 1st answer that pops up in your head”. But, when I told him I cannot see myself floating, or from above, or if tell him I feel confused, I hear multiple answers, or I do not understand. He would say, “Don’t overthink it, let your higher self who is your subconscious mind guide you, and do not resist the answer”. After the 1st two sessions, I felt skeptical about it, but since I had paid for the program, I figured why not try this, it might work. I also was desperately looking to get off medications and therapy was getting more expensive by the week), so I thought maybe that was just my usual self-doubting, limiting belief thoughts that wanted to stop me from getting better (see how they already got to me from the 1st session, they are good at scamming!). So, I ended up finishing the entire 10-week program. And guess what I found at the end of the program? After spending around USD 3,000 for the program, I have been relapsing numerous times. Like the woman said in one of the videos you shared, whenever I faced a problem, I forced myself to turn it into positivity. I find myself telling myself, this is not real, this is just in my head, it is not real and I keep repeating that. Now, it has been almost 1 year (from last May) since I took the program, and not only have there been no follow-up calls or check-ins (like other doctors or therapists would), my depression and PTSD relapsed have been getting worse, and now I am back on psychotherapist sessions and on medications. So, the point I am sharing here is really, please be careful if you’re thinking on trying NLP. Do your research first and really trust your gut feeling. If the 1st consultation or 1st two sessions you already started feeling weird or skeptical about it, RUN!! There are plenty of other help you can find, but for me, the best is always a medical doctor. I would suggest DO NOT DO IT. And to Danielle, thank you so much for sharing this video and your opinion. I wished I watched this before I took the program, but I hope my statement can help others to not fall for this scam.
You should title your video beware of the exploitation of the legitimate practice of NLP. Therefore, that makes YOU the grifter, and entirely misleading.
99% of "coaching" is BS. What people usually need is simple grounding, good family relationships, friends, some personal discipline, a job, and a purpose in life. That usually solves most issues.
I agree with what you’re saying, but not everyone has grounding or a supportive family or any family! So life coaching just like any other coach in life can be helpful to some.
I can't change the perception of the content creator, however, I think that they should have focused on certification and service affordability. NLP in and of itself has been proven to work.... practitioners do not necessarily compile cases of success to add to a growing body research. She is technically correct....NLP is not a psychological science. Until it has been researched and documented, then anyone can call it a pseudoscience. NLP is a collection of tools, not an academic discipline. If she truly practiced NLP, then she should have provided solid examples from her practitioner experience. Meta-analysis doesn't for solid personal experience make.
Take a look at The NLP Workbook by Judy Bartkowiak. An excellent book of self exploration and you are completely trashing the concept, not the charletans. Shame!
This video in itself is so problematic. I waited 25 minutes for you to at least give your personal opinion based on you trying NLP and then dissing it. Did you actually try any NLP technique on yourself that didn't work on you or are you just giving an opinion based on an overview on the subject? It's good to have an opinion. All of us have opinions. But this video is so strongly made against the subject leaving literally no scope of looking it at in a positive light. I live in India. Here we have so many beautiful concepts to heal the soul and body. There's yoga, meditation, vipassana- concepts that may not even have a backing of "science" but are doing wonders for people. Should we then disregard them because it doesn't have enough evidence to please science? Or should we see the actual changes that people experienced because of it? Or will you brush it under the carpet by calling it a fluke or coincidence? What about Anthony Robbins? Is he fake too? After changing millions of lives with NLP? Joe Dispenza is known for healing people with his "own" programs. Just because science doesn't back it should we criticize it and disregard people healing from age old traumas, terminal illnesses in a matter of 5 to 7 days in his retreat. Louise Hay. Rhonda Byrne. All teach manifestation. Don't say you support them because manifestation and NLP are different concepts. Does science support the concept of manifestation? Do they really do? So all these well known changemakers I mentioned must be useless then? I would've appreciated your take if you shared a personal experience and not a personal take on NLP. In your video you mentioned several times- "in my opinion" and then further asserted to giving a call to action for people to not get into it. Also, yes NLP doesn't take history. It's a fact. They are not operating you under a knife for them to know your history. It's just how it works. It focuses more on future than past. About people charging money for it. Well, yes. Do you really expect someone to not make money when it's their career choice? And isn't it a personal choice to invest in the course or not? I'm sure people are paying for it that's why they're charging for it. And honestly, let's face it, currently every single person is going through some issue and if NLP offers quick results then who wouldn't pay to get rid of their problems? I've seen people losing their fears in a matter of 20 minutes. Something that caused them trouble for the longest time. How can this be ignored? The Toronto based practioner you mentioned. You just judged her from the outside. Maybe her "unique method" is worth thousand dollars and maybe her emphasized words like "legitimate opportunity" is actually an opportunity for people who need her help? Do you really think people like her will reach so high by not giving results? Will her clients let her do so? What's the need to be so harsh by terming NLP as Crap/ Rubbish/ Utter nonsense? Picking videos and questioning their credentials is not cool. You're questioning someone who's sole motive is to help people be a better version of themselves. You mentioned you journal and it helps in goal setting. But in your language does science back that journaling helps in goal setting? You'll still do it if it makes you feel good, right? Science doesn't back spiritualism. Do we then say that God doesn't exist? Having studied NLP and seeing rapid results in front of me, I have high hopes in its legit future. Please don't think I'm saying this because I practice it. In fact, I want you and everyone to try it and then give an honest opinion. No harm in trying right? Sometimes the simplest things work the best for us. Just to point out, you're using all three filters here of NLP, Danielle. You generalized that NLP is fake based on a few coaches you saw and deleted the positive life-changing impact it made on so many lives. You even distorted the whole subject based on your personal opinion. Much power to you. May we all keep learning and respect changes with an open mindset.
Well NLP isn't a science at all. Very limited evidence to support it's efficacy. If you want to really know how human cognition works then read up on cognitive psychology and cognitive neuroscience. In regards to modelling, that is legit but the way NLP teaches it is just plain wrong. You're better off looking into social learning theory by Albert Bandura that explains modelling or observational learning scientifically.
@@itsdanielleryan Well it is because NLP are taught to use fancy but vague word salad as part of their hypnotic language patterns. However there's a video on youtube of where Milton Erikson's son and daughter were interviewed and they definitely have said that their father (Milton Erikson) founded Bandler and Grinder to be strange and he knew that they wanted to pinch his work in order to create NLP. They said that Grinder was of the view that the hypnotic language that Milton Erikson uses has some meaning in them. But Milton disagrees as he was only using language to get the hypnosis going, there wasn't any meaning to his hypnotic words at all.
NLP has a lot of moving parts. It’s not about speaking seductively and using just the right words. It has many layers and one example is that people have patterns when they buy things and NLP gets you to remember the emotions you had when you bought your first new car or whatever and you used a certain language in the process of how you went about to buy that thing. Thus is just one part of it. It’s not sitting in a chair and having words hypnotize you! Thats hypnosis!
Do you know anything about NLP? Do you know what the Meta Model ls? Who was Virginia Satir? Who was Milton Erickson? Have you ever read the Structure of Magic? If you wanna see evidence of the effectiveness lf NLP then read Magic in Action by Richard Bandler
I don’t think they can be judges and jury. Evidence can’t be searched in the books that promote NLP because its information is obviously put there with an intention so is not objective information. Scientific evidence have to be found in scientific non bias articles with controlled study groups. If NLP were a product, would you believe in the customers reviews, specialists analysis or just what the brand says about it?
I think this really has to do with The Biology of Belief (Bruce H. Lipton PhD) at the root. Our minds are powerful and what we believe has power in our lives. So if NLP is the tool to get someone there, then great. The issue is making people believe that it’s worth thousands of dollars… when CBT or EMDR could also be effective. But honestly I spent nearly $2k on therapy last year so what do I know haha
Granted, the problems with a system that has no central authority will have people buying their licenses for 20$ without taking the test. Does it work? Of course it does. NLP didn't invent anything new. It just took and modeled the things that worked. I'm sorry to hear you had a bad experience. The map is not the territory. ;)
As a benefactor of NLP practices, I feel scammed. Glad you're a content marketing channel... yep, say controversial and misleading things and people will watch/comment. haha ya got me good, scammer!
Doesn't matter if the creators didn't call it one, the people who use it mostly do pretend that it's a science and that's also the mainstream view of it.
@@thenonexistinghero It matters that the creators explicitly stated that it was not a science. Also no most people who use it don't view it as a science, I don't and the people I know don't. We just view it as a system of communication. The mainstream perception of literally everything is incorrect so that doesn't surprise me they are willfully ignorant
@@JustFollowingOrders12 Pretty sure you're full of it. Literally every person I see come up on the podcasts/news/discussion videos that is referred to as an NLP expert or specialist pretends it's an actual science. Every time I cringe because of how wrong they usually are as well. Honestly not sure which are worse between social psychologists and NLP'ers.
@@thenonexistinghero "pretty sure" means absolutely nothing. I'm in that world. You aren't. You listen to podcasts for your info. I don't. It's called confirmation bias. Everyone is different and people will call things what they want. It doesn't make them correct. There are scam artists everywhere. Point it, and this is a fact. NLP is not a science and the creators stated it is not a science. There is no debate here
Please read my comment in the soothing voice and accent of @drpaulpsychology! Let me play devil's advocate, and ignore the fact that I happen to agree with 99% of what you're saying (NLP is almost complete crap). IF your inner experiences are made up of images, voices, sounds, smells, feelings etc AND if those experiences, in sum, make up your experience of life altogether, AND if you can influence those inner images, voices etc. THEN that is a way to change your life.
Actually there are a few techniques that work. Let's say you're the brunt of a bully campaign. It hurts, and you get stressed and worry about it. Imagining the person bullying you wearing bunny ears and talking like Micky Mouse helps.
No it won't be that affecting, not affective at all , but...meta model language pattern , rapport building technique would help greatly but they are actually taken from other people's work . So NLP is just application of modelling
This is the problem Of coaching! Some people take a 2h course and open an insta page and they claim to be coach! Do your research and be only certified by accredited entities !
Agree the majority of certifications for NLP are mostly worthless & scammy & also agree many practitioners are poorly trained & should not be coaching. You highlight some of the worst posts of NLP. Good NLP coaches acknowledge it is not a science. Anything relating to thought & experience basically cannot be scientifically explained, it is mysterious beyond current science - ie where do thoughts reside, explain the experience of smell. Why dont you go after a good practitioner like Damon Cart or Steve Andreas - take them down.. hint you wont let alone can.. With empathy i suggest you look into vitamin A toxicity, you are very angry
Please feel free to point out at which point in this video I come off as even the slightest bit angry 😂😂 you're entitled to believing that I am wrong or my opinion is incorrect, but please let's not conflate a difference in opinion with being hateful or upset LOL
Ummm you actually say you hate it! You do understand the concept of hate, don't you ?.... And that hatred is intimately linked to anger.. A wise person once told me when I was very young, it is the strongest word in the dictionary, & should be used very seldom if at all. You then refer to hatred in your reply again. Seems pretty deeply engrained. It just bled through in my very humble opinion
@itsdanielleryan cool I'm happy with that... if I made you smile and brought some comedy to your day, I'll take it... Wish you well & appreciate the interaction - takecare
Why are people so resistant to go to therapy to resolve their issues? I live in a culture that is resistant to therapy and even in my community, on top of my head, there are four agencies that provide therapy.
I think it’s quite complicated. There is a lot of stigma surrounding “needing therapy” almost as if there is something wrong with you if you do. These “coaches” spin their services as a noble offering in that if you hire them you are doing yourself some sort of elite favour. Honestly I think these coaches are just better at marketing/selling their services than therapists hahaha
@@itsdanielleryan I agree. There are two coaches, if I would go to one, that I would use because both of them actually went to therapy and they are ethical to know where it is too big of an issue for them to tackle. I myself have been in therapy for 10 years, three different therapists and I know that I am progressing because I'm learning to trust myself and to hear my own inner voice.
Therapy is not helpful. Can you tell how therapy has been "proven"?? Not to mention, some you therapy worshippers, recommend therapy to everyone though therapy is not for every problem, it cannot resolve every problem and who wants a stranger hearing all their personal business and when will it reach its end?
Because traditional therapies don't work for so many people. DBT is the so called gold standard for example if you've gone through lots of trauma yet it does nothing to help you heal from the trauma or release it. All it does is blame you like it's your fault for being traumatized and sees your ways of coping as problem behaviors then psychologists trained in DBT treat you worse then if you were a criminal. The whole idea of cognitive distortions while have merit the way you're taught to challenge those ideas is highly ineffective.
Karen, Maybe you could have an NLP person remove the negative anchor going back to your bad experience in your yoga business. At least you admit to being a troll.
So are we just calling everyone who has a different opinion than us a Karen or? In that case, thanks for the comment Kevin.. it helps get my video out to more people in the algorithm 😇
NLP is absolutely professional! So much so that someone in the UK, managed to get their cat registered as an NLP Coach. That is how professional these certifications are!
For a minute... you almost had me.... 🤣
My cat is a better therapist than my actual therapist was, so I'm on board.
@itsdanielleryan thank you so much for this video. I didn't know about NLP until recently.
Similarly, I'd love your take on a process called Circling (from Circling International).. I think it's a similar paid program to NLP with fake certifications, but with an additional layer under the guise of creating emotional connections with practitioners and learners, encouraging openness and vulnerability, similar to therapy. This kind of tactic makes unaware folks susceptible to being emotionally manipulated by coaches they trust.
Would love your take on this concerning growing program to create more awareness.
That’s ridiculous corruption does make something false ! That’s complex equivalence
This is not awareness this is misleading video !! 10% of it is correct!
I got into NLP myself to learn so ai don’t fall for manipulation. First teacher was horrible I got out after 2 hours. It was cold manipulative and I was out.
Almost quit on Nlp when a friend referred me to my current teacher who is teaching us NLP in a way that you become you more authentic and live better life.
He is also mindfulness and reiki teacher and I love it.
I am becoming NLP trainer myself this year and I cannot explain to you how much I ve grown since started NLP courses. I am more clear, elevated consciousness simply living better life every day.
Hope this helps someone ❤
But that‘is only your story, anecdotal evidence and not more. That’s no scientific evidence that is still missing. These have not been provided for over 40 years.
Scammers are a problem, but NLP itself can be a life changing skill
Just that.
Precious little actually works and that's the Milton model which BTW is hypnosis
people say a relationship with jesus is life changing as well, but that doesn't mean mythical jesus is real. nonsense and rubbish, just like NLP
The challenge with NLP is that it has small elements of psychology and human behavior that can be useful for some people. People assume because one part is true or makes sense, all of it must be true. Please be careful who you put your trust in out there!
The problem is, is that those small things already exist in psychology under different names. Meaning that it's not NLP that's useful, but actual real psychology.
NLP is simply a method of modeling excellence. The same normal thing children do by modeling others to learn. Nothing magic on it. But creators of NLP made a model of the strategies of the most successful therapist in the 70's mostly Virginia Satir (family terapist) and Milton Erickson (Hypnoterapist). I dont think NLP is a scam just is misunderstood.
Yes and thought by wrong people
Nah, there's nothing scientific about it. And they also window dress existing psychological terms and pretend that it came from NLP.
Yesss excited for this. So glad you’re covering this!
I got help healing from long term trauma using time line therapy / NLP. It was the only thing that really helped me after years and years of trying traditional therapies that only triggered and retraumatized me.
Still, that's anecdotal. Not to devalue your experience, but it's insufficient evidence under any metric.
I think the problem is mental health support is extremely insufficient. Pleased you got some relief x
NLP is popular because it works. Francine Shapiro, the creator of EMDR (the gold standard therapy for truama) was an NLP practitioner beforehand and got most of the influence for EMDR from NLP techniques, name IEM. I personally did talk therapy for over a decade and NLP helped me more in 12 sessions than talk therapy did for my entire life. I now use it with therapy clients and it works so much better than traditional talk therapy.
I was really surprised to see this. I don’t know about the corses but read “good sugar, bad sugar” Alan Carr. I was 37 when I read it and tried every different way to stop sugar addiction and everything was short lived and didn’t work. The book cost me £10 and not only do I not eat it I don’t have any cravings whatsoever. This lead me to read one about quitting smoking weed which also worked amazingly. I sought out a practitioner for a couple of specific things there were not books on and the best money o spend as each thing took one session for not a huge amount of money vs loads of different more expensive thing that I had tried. I saw you have put some results down to being anecdotal but how do you explain the millions that have quit smoking from his original book?
I am on side with the unregulated training that goes on and the money grabbing it is the case in all of these areas I guess.
I feel like I may need to share a bit of my personal experience with NLP/"Mind Programming" here. Years ago, I went with some family members to a two-day workshop on NLP where we would learn how to "open up new corridors" and "recalibrate our vibrations". Save for hanging out with old friends and having good food for the two days we spent, the rest of the session was just a corporate (because there was a whole group of people from my parents' company that showed up) gathering where we learnt some kooky stuff. One time, my cousin was sick and she used NLP techniques to get better. However, it was only a temporary psychosomatic reprieve and she would feel sick again. I remember being selected as a "middle man" for an exercise where I would close my eyes and be surrounded by four people with their hands outstretched and whoever exerted "positive energy" was the one I would be drawn to when I fell. I stayed rooted for the most part and it kinda troubled the presenter for a while because he has never seen me go against his program before. Wonder what your thoughts are?
The developers of NLP always said it's NOT a science.
Yes. It is a SCAM! And dangerous!
@@dunesunny3131 How, specifically?
@@robertlivingstone3364 NLP has been discredited as a pseudoscience and is a scam and dangerous. It has had serious implications.
@@robertlivingstone3364 if it isn't a science, then it is being asserted without evidence. that which can be asserted without evidence can be DISMISSED without evidence.
if people think that NLP is a legit way to heal their mental physical issues, they will forego actual psychiatric or medical help and end up worse off than they would have been just getting actual help based in actual science.
it is also dangerous to give out phoney liscences to random people who might use their fake stature to exploit innocent victims.
seriously, read some scientific literature. get off that NLP nonsense
@@robertlivingstone3364 Because they promise you something and then don't keep it, but you have to pay for it. That's a scam.
Where you 35 years ago? Oh y’a. You weren’t born. Lol. I have wasted tens of thousands of $ on this and other bull. Honest, eager, spiritual seekers. Completely guilty. Glad you’re here to stop others going down the same road I did. Keep up the great work.
Millions of people had their life changed through NLP ! And yes MRI will show you before and after
Nlp has worked faster than any therapy or magick for me. Ive tried a lot of self development tools
Boy, that British accent really helps drive home your point, way to go. You are wrong, madam.
NLP is designed to program humans to look outside of themselves. If everyone just sat there and breathed in and out for 10 minutes while just paying attention to their breath, then the body will automatically be connected to the soul. Which means there’s no need for techniques, or anything. One will automatically align with their path. Neurolinguistic programing or NLP is just something that will never guide you to what’s good for your soul because it requires needing something outside of yourself. Most people that want to shift in to something they’re not, it just means that they are being ran by the ego. The soul is already whole. When we feel whole then we move with more confidence than when we are trying to be something that the ego is telling us we need to be. “Identity shifting” is something that will mess up your mind in to thinking you are being something your soul wants to be but this is all ran by ego and at the end will do a whole lot of damage. If soul wants something then one needs to do nothing more but to be. Just be. Things that are in alignment with soul will always come easy. When I was in this school I had a bad feeling and I didn’t know why, then later I realized I had to go there to learn just so I Can find out the truth! I would love to join you and share my terrible stories from a very well known NLP program that misleads people everyday! Thank you for spreading awareness!
This is very much needed info. Too many people fall for these types of things, and the way you take them through it is good. I often hate/despise the debunking when it's not nuanced, or when it's only to laugh at people getting into it as it then is only preaching to your own choir. Your approach here seems better, thanks for that, keep doing it. There is a lot of scams and misinformation that still need to be covered... How easy we can be manipulated, and how critical thinking works (and what critical thinking is not) could be a nice video topic too I guess?
@@psyaviah thanks so much, I try to remain level headed in my content because I too was once someone who fell prey to a lot of the topics I discuss on the channel. A little empathy goes a long way.
I did a video about a year ago that discusses why people get scammed/how easy it is to fall for these grifts. I’d love to hear your thoughts:
ruclips.net/video/ruVpzvTWLO4/видео.html
I just watched it@@itsdanielleryan. I think it's important to explain these mechanics indeed, and repeatedly. It can happen to everyone - I'll answer on that post.
I looked into NLP once because someone I knew had been certified, and all the trainings were about manipulating people to buy your stuff. Like if you get NLP certified you'll be able to set up your web pages in a way that gets people to buy, post on social media and talk to people in a specific way that gets them to buy your stuff. It's all just manipulation to make more money, not help the other person.
Absolutely agree. In part two I describe some of the specific techniques and how they are used to manipulate people... so ICKYYYYYY
Exactly, and they completely endorse manipulation as if it was a good thing.
Everything is about manipulation TV commercials, ads , offering girl a drink, politicians empty promises etc .. I believe there’s still useful parts NLP to be used and applied to your life rather than calling the whole thing crap
Really??? Can you further explain to me especially if you've seen ' that certified NLP coach / friend of yours content'
I mean I'd love to help people from the bottom of my heart But idk if I can be able to do it without any tools specifically as NLP teaches that with timeline therapy to heal others etc in certain timeline ( which for me is weird because I've been into mu own healing journey for past 3 years and healing i feel is Ongoing process, you can't claim to Heal anyother person in certain time period) which makes me question if NLP Is actually telling us to help people with 4 or 6 week sessiona Or what? I'm very confused as i dont owj any certification and i wanna help people because others were there to help me as well so its kind of Payback /reciprocating time i feel "
Also my region people have been offering NLP certification in 1000$ and it's Huge investment. They do say they've practice rooms as well on Zoom where participants will be coach and other will be client, vuce versa
As a student of Philosophy, most notably epistemology and psycho analytics..I’m so so glad you made this video.
It was such a chore listing to these influencers. You are doing the lords work!
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks so much for watching 🫶
The world needs more self-help skeptics. Sometimes it's self-destruction. You're doing God's work. Thanks!
I am not exactly in agreement with your analysis but you do present good arguments. This is an interesting subject; I accidentally came across NLM researching evidence for linguistics, specifically words presented using particular techniques that would condition the recipient and shift their interpretation from one interpretation of reality, through Semantics, to an entirely different one (a neuro-synaptic-cognitive-shift of interpretion of reality), that when repeated, similarly, with others, either grouped or individually, would impact enough to cause a massive social-cultural reality shift.
Anyway, this wasn't it, but I did pause and listen. Thank You. Moving On...
..oops, typo, I meant, NLP not NLM
Thanks so much for watching and taking the time to share your perspective… even if you got here by accident 🤪
It’s almost like you fell for NLP.
There is part of this that I have been hearing about (and that someone in the comments for this video mentioned), which is NLP being used for manipulation and undue influence. It has been said that Ray Higdon uses NLP principles when talking to those he trains. I'm not getting what he does that would be considered using NLP. I'd be interested in seeing you do a follow up video on how NLP principles can be used this way. I've watched hours of Ray Higdon doing training because I subscribe to Julie Anderson's channel.
YESSSSS coming soon a tutorial on how to use NLP for evil lol
Sadly, I can't 'thumbs down' your post. I have been a practitioner for many years. Before this, I was a client who suffered intense PTSD and was greatly helped by this practice. I am not sure where you are getting your 'research' from but it is my deepest hope that anyone watching your video will do their OWN research before listening to your 'opinions'. I feel you are doing a great disservice to so many who can be deeply helped by this practice.
Like any profession, including mechanics, there are good and bad out there. Find yourself a good qualified practitioner and get the help you need.... ignore this video.
Ignore it even though she’s 100% correct. However, feel free to waste your money on anything you choose
shame on u. if what u are doing has no basis in science, u are a fraud and a scammer.
I completely agree with all that you’re saying about NLP. I actually took a training and my intuition told me that it wasn’t “right”. So, this video has given me even more of a confirmation to stay away from NLP. Thank you
Thanks for watching!!
It's about getting your $$$$, again great video keep going from Victoria 🎉
Thanks for watching!
Subbed! Been through this experience 4 years ago to & other self help crap! Thank you for shedding light on it 🙏
Thanks for watching, happy to have you here!
Seems like you don't understand how NLP is used in a treatment setting.
Yeah seems like a very general critique for a field of human change techniques that has hundreds of applications and even more practitioners that bring their own angles to it.
I think the incollusive science is a reflection of the inability for mainstream science and psychology to understand the reality of consciousness and change. Maybe if you made some specific case examples of where its wrong would be nice. Its also a developing field and it learns from other fields.
There's hardly any evidence to confirm it's efficacy for any kind of treatment
well shoot, enlighten us
I agree with you that there should be regulations that would limit people from duping people out of their money :( especially when they are not qualified to make the claims they are making. It seems to me that NLP is another placebo.
I am an NLP Master and NLP is an amazing tool to use in many situations. The psychologists in the video, after seeing him speaking, has problems with himself with all his affection.
If you were on NLP training and did not help you, you are either not ready to be helped or the person doing it does not know how to do it properly.
The change I got in my life due to NLP is tremendous but if I attended the course 2 years ago, i would say the same, because I was not ready for it.
BTW. They don’t say it’s science. It is a model communication and modeling excellence. It is helping thousands of sport players every day.
Eh, I would have said the same thing as a mormon missionary, "they aren't ready to hear the truth.. yet!" It's an easy rationale for just about anything. I'm not mormon anymore, btw.
The difference is I was offering my faith for free while so many "life coaches" want to charge hundreds for an hour of NLP therapy. Not to mention the thousands being charged to get "certified" in the first place. I think most people's negative perception is due to the exploitative, greedy environment NLP often exists in. As others here have said, NLP can be therapeutic in the right setting
The video is very welcome, there is no short cut to wisdom and healing no matter how much you are willing to pay, to truly grow as a person you have to read your inner book slowly and carefully, some pages may need to be reread many times, NLP is a symptom of the shallow impatient world we live in 🕊️
Came from coffeezilla jay shetty video
I always doubted this nlp niche
Good stuff keep it up👍
Music to my ears, thanks for being here!
Robbins used it on me, it's a legal scam ❤
Sorry to hear that 😪
As a former trainer myself, I concur. I couldn’t in good conscience continue to grift people out of their money. It’s largely horse shit
Really?? Can you further tell me Your own experience as a NLP Practitioner??
I've been interested in the certification from ny region which will cost me 1000$ above so im kinda intrigued to know someone who was / is in the field and tell me clearly if its a rabbit hole scam or legit to help humanity
Good work. I learned it myself in my studies to become a theraphist and i was deeply concerned about the potential harm such methods would reck on others. Over 100 years after modern psycho analytic stopped using hypnosis because off its drawbacks some shmocks try this on others. There is no shortcut for understanding the human mind, its complicated. We are complicated and its needs time to unreavel ourself, lower our defences to truly see where our problems and scars are. Such methods carve new scars or just masking you problem until they reach a boiling point and erupt into a depression.
Hypnosis is one of the most profound treatments. Plenty of scientific evidence out there on hypnosis treatment
You should review the Black Belt In Thinking (BBIT), based on your analysis of NLP, I think BBIT will be refreshing for you.
Steve Hassan has a section on his website about NLP and how quickly it went from a therapeutic tool to used in an unethical manner. He was trained in NLP by the creator I believe. Nancy Salzman was considered an expert in the technique when she was a practicing therapist. She went on to help form NXIVM and used the technique in all her teachings. It just shows how a once considered useful tool for trained, accredited therapists became a tool for manipulation and undo influence. I wish more people would talk about this.
Thanks for sharing Charleen, I will have to look into that further and follow up with a part two! Appreciate your insight 🥰
@@itsdanielleryan part 2 sounds amazing!
This is a great video of him talking more about NLP 😊 ruclips.net/video/1jbD6cnm0Ro/видео.html
Call it whatever you want, but I've helped many people rid their phobias for free, using techniques I learned from Bandler. I used to use hypnosis, but now I realize that all these new age tactics exploit one thing. We are all capable of learning faster unconsciously than consciously. The "belief" that something strange done to them by a guru, is what allows them to accept the change. You can hypnotize hundreds to quit smoking for free, and hundreds of them for $250 each. The ones that pay are ten times as likely to quit smoking.
She's going to use deletion on this and every comment that doesn't agree with her.
You’re spot on. I’d love to share my experience with you. What I’m certain will not happen, is none of these grifters would openly and publicly debate any of this
Awesome, submit a brief summary here and let's set up an interview: forms.gle/ZaZJNRwB3gUQAQfj9
She's so sweet! In case you're wondering, this kind of NLP (neuro-linguistic programming) has nothing to do with the other kind of NLP (natural language processing). They both have the same acronym but are two completely different things. I thought they were related because they have the same acronym, so I was concerned for a minute. From Amazon web services: "Natural language processing is a machine learning technology that gives computers the ability to interpret, manipulate, and comprehend human language." Now that I know about the type of NLP that she talks about in the video, maybe I shouldn't tell people that I'm interested in artificial intelligence and NLP without specifying which kind of NLP.
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Nice video i saw it completely ,I will be honest... Some things in Nlp works while others just doesn't.
And i can see your frustration about these gold diggers practitioners..i feel same way so i wasn't trained from them,,, i just read old books and i saw that nlp took lot of things from other people's work like body language, rapport
They certainly did, they've never gave Milton Erickson the credit. And Erickson never liked Bandler because he knew he was trying to steal his work. Bandler didn't much care for Erickson as he admitted that he just saw him as a cripple.
isn’t the evidence of nlp the results? i thought they were making people stop smoking and stuff in like a 30 minute session?
Frank William Abagnale Jr. understood where"Modeling" could take him; so did Keith Raniere 😃😃😃😀😄😄
Listen: if THE BEST coach in the world (who has worked with people like Hugh Jackman, Anthony Hopkins, Andre Agassi, Peter Lynch, the US military, Princess Diana, Bill Clinton, etc. etc. uses NLP then there is something to it which is much more important than your armchair philosophy assumptions about it. Nough said.
Thanks for brining common sense to the coaching scam.
Here to serve 🤗
That's exactly the purpose of it, manipulation.
One of the mail NLP practitioners in my country organized a conference and invited the wolf of wall street T.T
as a prime example of a person who knows how to communicae effectively. Also, he's a alumni of Grant Cardone university. Lol
Danielle. NLP practitioner trained. What!?!?!?! Oh em geeeeeeeeee. I have so many questions {insert parks and Rec gif of Chris Pratt} I also have a doterra convention I want to send you. My mind is blown.
if you want to book an NLP session with me you can pay at my L1nK !n bi0, for you - friends only discount of $666 per hour.
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The only grift is calling the tool a scam because it was used by a scammer.
there's this russian stand-up comedian who rose from working class to a very successful person and he has mocked manifestation big time! Laughing about how growing up poor he really was not there going through life envisioning a pretty wife and how big he was gonna get. I think it's really cool to hear from people who 'made it' in a certain industry and did not use any of these popular techniques.
Review your understanding
I agree with what you said about NLP but therapy is also a scam. What is proven about therapy and therapists??
Scientific evidence...therapy is scientifically proven. NLP is not
As the previous commenter stated - methods in traditional talk therapy have been scientifically tested and proven in controlled environments. While I understand not every therapist/therapeutic method will work for every person, therapists are regulated and help to a very specific standard - there are safety measures in place to ensure individuals do not suffer at the hands of their therapists.
In practice they didn't work for me. They triggered me and I left each session dysregulated and retraumatized while time line therapy / NLP with no evidence was the only thing that helped me release the trauma from my subconscious and I'm finally free and have myself back. Many therapists may have that regulation but they are no good when they use "evidence" based methods to blame you and treat you like crap and don't actually help you. Here in Australia the Australian Psychological Association is now pushing for one type of therapy for each client so imagine if that doesn't work for you what will you do?
I would argue that many therapist will prolong therapy in order to keep you as a regular client and that is just as costly overtime as an NLP’s course can cost for a shorter amount of time!
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As the previous commenter stated - methods in traditional talk therapy have been scientifically tested and proven in controlled environments. "
Yeah Danielle I don't know how much you actually know about NLP but it is based off of Virginia Satire, Fritz Pearls, Pavlov, who were all originators of techniques in the field of talk therapy. So hate to be the guy but it sounds like you have no idea what you're talking about.
Stick to what you know. Whatever that is. 😂
Can you talk more about your own experience with NLP?
Off the top of my head... everyone I know who 'practices NLP' or believes in it, is a mess. A mess pretending to be a scientist, to boot. If even half of these people even know what a neuron is, I'm a flying saucer.
(Also, a mess that can't even seem to 'program' themselves into getting anything done 🤣)
Maybe you need more NLP in your life to re-write your timeline lol
I know someone who got a certification and she is definitely not a mess. But I think she gives too much credence to NLP. It sounded ridiculous when I learned about it from her and sounds ridiculous now.
What if NLP was simply a collection of psychological practices to influence mind?
And what if acted as a neutral tool, used by both skilled and unskilled practitioners alike, who all vary in degrees of integrity?
Could it then be fair to make a distinction between those who practice NLP and the practice of NLP?
Making a positive impact, and being of service are some of my highest values- and I’d be lying if I said NLP doesn’t interest me.
There’s a lot of validity in everything you’ve spoken of in your video, and I love your straightforward, truth seeking, intellectually strong perspective.
You clearly want to protect people from exploitation, and I find that to be very honorable!
But- I think there’s room to explore the subject vs the way it’s taught, the teachers, the students, the intention behind it, etc.
I could definitely be wrong- but I’m fairly confident there’s at least some golden nuggets in the field.
And when practiced with integrity and sophistication, it might be able to, potentially, change lives.
I juat started coaching sessions with someone training in CBT and NLP - I'm highly skeptical, but was under the impression NLP is one of the tools Derren Brown uses. Any thoughts on that?
They're pro-bono sessions btw
I have a problem with the idea of deciding what to believe.
I hear these and other woo types saying we can change our beliefs so we feel better.
I want to find what's true, and belief is for things that are true.
That said, I'm glad to hear NLP is baloney because I never looked into it and I was giving it too much credence.
I recommend CBT and REBT for belief change
You are absolutely flawless by the way and have super pretty eyes & features
Nlp has helped many many people. What are you saying!! Who pays you to diminish such wonderful knowledge !!
People need 2 see this video 💯
NLP is an amazing tool ! If you think it’s fake you will prove it’s fake - you just showed how NLP works 😅
I'm so glad I found your video becauseeeee I believe that I may be one of the NLP victims. I think I should share my weird experience with NLP.
As a background, I have been clinically diagnosed with PTSD depression, and anxiety (by medical practitioners’ aka doctors, psychiatrists at actual hospitals) and I was on medication for years. But I wanted to get off the medication and a close friend of mine told me about the NLP program that helped her with her recent losses. So, I took a chance to try NLP. In each session, the practitioner told me to close my eyes, and when I took a peek, I saw him burning sage and when asked, he said to take away all the bad energy. And in two or three of the sessions, he would place a crystal in front of me and ask me to hold the crystal close my eyes, breathe in and out, and let go of all the bad thoughts and bad energy into the crystal. Then, he would go on with the breathing exercise and ask me to close my eyes and try to think of me floating outside of my body and seeing myself in the room from above (haha). Then, he would ask me questions about my goals and what are my limiting beliefs and said, “Give me the 1st answer that pops up in your head”. But, when I told him I cannot see myself floating, or from above, or if tell him I feel confused, I hear multiple answers, or I do not understand. He would say, “Don’t overthink it, let your higher self who is your subconscious mind guide you, and do not resist the answer”.
After the 1st two sessions, I felt skeptical about it, but since I had paid for the program, I figured why not try this, it might work. I also was desperately looking to get off medications and therapy was getting more expensive by the week), so I thought maybe that was just my usual self-doubting, limiting belief thoughts that wanted to stop me from getting better (see how they already got to me from the 1st session, they are good at scamming!). So, I ended up finishing the entire 10-week program. And guess what I found at the end of the program? After spending around USD 3,000 for the program, I have been relapsing numerous times.
Like the woman said in one of the videos you shared, whenever I faced a problem, I forced myself to turn it into positivity. I find myself telling myself, this is not real, this is just in my head, it is not real and I keep repeating that. Now, it has been almost 1 year (from last May) since I took the program, and not only have there been no follow-up calls or check-ins (like other doctors or therapists would), my depression and PTSD relapsed have been getting worse, and now I am back on psychotherapist sessions and on medications. So, the point I am sharing here is really, please be careful if you’re thinking on trying NLP. Do your research first and really trust your gut feeling. If the 1st consultation or 1st two sessions you already started feeling weird or skeptical about it, RUN!! There are plenty of other help you can find, but for me, the best is always a medical doctor. I would suggest DO NOT DO IT. And to Danielle, thank you so much for sharing this video and your opinion. I wished I watched this before I took the program, but I hope my statement can help others to not fall for this scam.
You should title your video beware of the exploitation of the legitimate practice of NLP. Therefore, that makes YOU the grifter, and entirely misleading.
99% of "coaching" is BS. What people usually need is simple grounding, good family relationships, friends, some personal discipline, a job, and a purpose in life. That usually solves most issues.
And good health. NLP attracts a lot of people who are mentally well, often due to growing up in financial and/or emotional or educational poverty.
I agree with what you’re saying, but not everyone has grounding or a supportive family or any family! So life coaching just like any other coach in life can be helpful to some.
It’s a pity you don’t see that the beauty of NLP is in its simplicity!
I can't change the perception of the content creator, however, I think that they should have focused on certification and service affordability. NLP in and of itself has been proven to work.... practitioners do not necessarily compile cases of success to add to a growing body research.
She is technically correct....NLP is not a psychological science. Until it has been researched and documented, then anyone can call it a pseudoscience. NLP is a collection of tools, not an academic discipline. If she truly practiced NLP, then she should have provided solid examples from her practitioner experience. Meta-analysis doesn't for solid personal experience make.
People respond to their map of reality
Take a look at The NLP Workbook by Judy Bartkowiak. An excellent book of self exploration and you are completely trashing the concept, not the charletans. Shame!
This video in itself is so problematic. I waited 25 minutes for you to at least give your personal opinion based on you trying NLP and then dissing it. Did you actually try any NLP technique on yourself that didn't work on you or are you just giving an opinion based on an overview on the subject?
It's good to have an opinion. All of us have opinions. But this video is so strongly made against the subject leaving literally no scope of looking it at in a positive light.
I live in India. Here we have so many beautiful concepts to heal the soul and body. There's yoga, meditation, vipassana- concepts that may not even have a backing of "science" but are doing wonders for people. Should we then disregard them because it doesn't have enough evidence to please science? Or should we see the actual changes that people experienced because of it? Or will you brush it under the carpet by calling it a fluke or coincidence?
What about Anthony Robbins? Is he fake too? After changing millions of lives with NLP? Joe Dispenza is known for healing people with his "own" programs. Just because science doesn't back it should we criticize it and disregard people healing from age old traumas, terminal illnesses in a matter of 5 to 7 days in his retreat. Louise Hay. Rhonda Byrne. All teach manifestation. Don't say you support them because manifestation and NLP are different concepts. Does science support the concept of manifestation? Do they really do? So all these well known changemakers I mentioned must be useless then?
I would've appreciated your take if you shared a personal experience and not a personal take on NLP. In your video you mentioned several times- "in my opinion" and then further asserted to giving a call to action for people to not get into it.
Also, yes NLP doesn't take history. It's a fact. They are not operating you under a knife for them to know your history. It's just how it works. It focuses more on future than past.
About people charging money for it. Well, yes. Do you really expect someone to not make money when it's their career choice? And isn't it a personal choice to invest in the course or not? I'm sure people are paying for it that's why they're charging for it. And honestly, let's face it, currently every single person is going through some issue and if NLP offers quick results then who wouldn't pay to get rid of their problems? I've seen people losing their fears in a matter of 20 minutes. Something that caused them trouble for the longest time. How can this be ignored?
The Toronto based practioner you mentioned. You just judged her from the outside. Maybe her "unique method" is worth thousand dollars and maybe her emphasized words like "legitimate opportunity" is actually an opportunity for people who need her help? Do you really think people like her will reach so high by not giving results? Will her clients let her do so?
What's the need to be so harsh by terming NLP as Crap/ Rubbish/ Utter nonsense? Picking videos and questioning their credentials is not cool. You're questioning someone who's sole motive is to help people be a better version of themselves. You mentioned you journal and it helps in goal setting. But in your language does science back that journaling helps in goal setting? You'll still do it if it makes you feel good, right? Science doesn't back spiritualism. Do we then say that God doesn't exist?
Having studied NLP and seeing rapid results in front of me, I have high hopes in its legit future. Please don't think I'm saying this because I practice it. In fact, I want you and everyone to try it and then give an honest opinion. No harm in trying right? Sometimes the simplest things work the best for us.
Just to point out, you're using all three filters here of NLP, Danielle. You generalized that NLP is fake based on a few coaches you saw and deleted the positive life-changing impact it made on so many lives. You even distorted the whole subject based on your personal opinion.
Much power to you. May we all keep learning and respect changes with an open mindset.
Well NLP isn't a science at all. Very limited evidence to support it's efficacy. If you want to really know how human cognition works then read up on cognitive psychology and cognitive neuroscience. In regards to modelling, that is legit but the way NLP teaches it is just plain wrong. You're better off looking into social learning theory by Albert Bandura that explains modelling or observational learning scientifically.
The whole thing is grift and it's sad to see people fall prey to it 😔
@@itsdanielleryan Well it is because NLP are taught to use fancy but vague word salad as part of their hypnotic language patterns. However there's a video on youtube of where Milton Erikson's son and daughter were interviewed and they definitely have said that their father (Milton Erikson) founded Bandler and Grinder to be strange and he knew that they wanted to pinch his work in order to create NLP. They said that Grinder was of the view that the hypnotic language that Milton Erikson uses has some meaning in them. But Milton disagrees as he was only using language to get the hypnosis going, there wasn't any meaning to his hypnotic words at all.
NLP has a lot of moving parts. It’s not about speaking seductively and using just the right words. It has many layers and one example is that people have patterns when they buy things and NLP gets you to remember the emotions you had when you bought your first new car or whatever and you used a certain language in the process of how you went about to buy that thing. Thus is just one part of it. It’s not sitting in a chair and having words hypnotize you! Thats hypnosis!
Uh huh and where's the evidence to confirm what you say?
@@MrMattias87He has none. That's what NLP is about. Word salad and dressing. No actual evidence.
The placebo effect is effective.
Do you know anything about NLP? Do you know what the Meta Model ls? Who was Virginia Satir? Who was Milton Erickson? Have you ever read the Structure of Magic? If you wanna see evidence of the effectiveness lf NLP then read Magic in Action by Richard Bandler
I don’t think they can be judges and jury. Evidence can’t be searched in the books that promote NLP because its information is obviously put there with an intention so is not objective information. Scientific evidence have to be found in scientific non bias articles with controlled study groups.
If NLP were a product, would you believe in the customers reviews, specialists analysis or just what the brand says about it?
There is ZERO scientific evidence of the effectiveness of NLP. It’s a load of crap
I think this really has to do with The Biology of Belief (Bruce H. Lipton PhD) at the root. Our minds are powerful and what we believe has power in our lives. So if NLP is the tool to get someone there, then great. The issue is making people believe that it’s worth thousands of dollars… when CBT or EMDR could also be effective. But honestly I spent nearly $2k on therapy last year so what do I know haha
Granted, the problems with a system that has no central authority will have people buying their licenses for 20$ without taking the test. Does it work? Of course it does. NLP didn't invent anything new. It just took and modeled the things that worked. I'm sorry to hear you had a bad experience. The map is not the territory. ;)
Very good explanation about pseudoscientific theories in general, not only NLP. Thank you for doing this.
Thanks for watching! I recommend you check out my video on quantum manifestation if you haven’t seen it yet. The pseudoscience in that one is 🤯
As a benefactor of NLP practices, I feel scammed. Glad you're a content marketing channel... yep, say controversial and misleading things and people will watch/comment. haha ya got me good, scammer!
Kind of the same con as specific religious cults being chosen over others 😂
I understood this
NLP never claimed to be a science
Doesn't matter if the creators didn't call it one, the people who use it mostly do pretend that it's a science and that's also the mainstream view of it.
@@thenonexistinghero It matters that the creators explicitly stated that it was not a science. Also no most people who use it don't view it as a science, I don't and the people I know don't. We just view it as a system of communication. The mainstream perception of literally everything is incorrect so that doesn't surprise me they are willfully ignorant
@@JustFollowingOrders12 Pretty sure you're full of it. Literally every person I see come up on the podcasts/news/discussion videos that is referred to as an NLP expert or specialist pretends it's an actual science. Every time I cringe because of how wrong they usually are as well. Honestly not sure which are worse between social psychologists and NLP'ers.
@@thenonexistinghero "pretty sure" means absolutely nothing. I'm in that world. You aren't. You listen to podcasts for your info. I don't. It's called confirmation bias. Everyone is different and people will call things what they want. It doesn't make them correct. There are scam artists everywhere. Point it, and this is a fact. NLP is not a science and the creators stated it is not a science. There is no debate here
Would you be open to change your mind?
Therapy does work with everyone neither
Great video!❤
Thanks for watching!! 🤩
Your so right ...Toxic Positivity is way over done...
Who certified you?
Please read my comment in the soothing voice and accent of @drpaulpsychology!
Let me play devil's advocate, and ignore the fact that I happen to agree with 99% of what you're saying (NLP is almost complete crap).
IF your inner experiences are made up of images, voices, sounds, smells, feelings etc
AND if those experiences, in sum, make up your experience of life altogether,
AND if you can influence those inner images, voices etc.
THEN that is a way to change your life.
The funny thing i noticed, you kinda use NLP Techniques yourself all the time. I neither support nor deny NLP.
NLP means Natural Language Processing. The one and only sience based usage of the abbrevation NLP. -> LLM -> e.g. leading to ChatGTP
Actually there are a few techniques that work. Let's say you're the brunt of a bully campaign. It hurts, and you get stressed and worry about it. Imagining the person bullying you wearing bunny ears and talking like Micky Mouse helps.
That's a delightfully fcktarded example, why would anyone need NLP to make that projection work?
No it won't be that affecting, not affective at all , but...meta model language pattern , rapport building technique would help greatly but they are actually taken from other people's work .
So NLP is just application of modelling
I can heal you from distance😊😊. Don't call it sacm. It is not science it is vigyaan
Not fake at all!!!!
You use so many distortion deletion and generalization !! Meta model your says … and you’ll shift your mindset
NLP hahahaha ... sold as a way to pick up woman back in the day...
WHAT!!! Tell me more 👀
Only the really dumb ones
This is the problem
Of coaching! Some people take a 2h course and open an insta page and they claim to be coach!
Do your research and be only certified by accredited entities !
There's an NLP technique to make your voice go from nails on the blackboard to a pleasant tone, maybe look into that.
Agree the majority of certifications for NLP are mostly worthless & scammy & also agree many practitioners are poorly trained & should not be coaching. You highlight some of the worst posts of NLP. Good NLP coaches acknowledge it is not a science. Anything relating to thought & experience basically cannot be scientifically explained, it is mysterious beyond current science - ie where do thoughts reside, explain the experience of smell. Why dont you go after a good practitioner like Damon Cart or Steve Andreas - take them down.. hint you wont let alone can.. With empathy i suggest you look into vitamin A toxicity, you are very angry
Please feel free to point out at which point in this video I come off as even the slightest bit angry 😂😂 you're entitled to believing that I am wrong or my opinion is incorrect, but please let's not conflate a difference in opinion with being hateful or upset LOL
Ummm you actually say you hate it! You do understand the concept of hate, don't you ?.... And that hatred is intimately linked to anger.. A wise person once told me when I was very young, it is the strongest word in the dictionary, & should be used very seldom if at all. You then refer to hatred in your reply again. Seems pretty deeply engrained. It just bled through in my very humble opinion
@@lucashunter4738 I think you’re grasping at straws here, this is comical. It’s really not that serious 😂
@itsdanielleryan cool I'm happy with that... if I made you smile and brought some comedy to your day, I'll take it... Wish you well & appreciate the interaction - takecare
Dude she just probably got the wrong people to teach her 😂
Why are people so resistant to go to therapy to resolve their issues? I live in a culture that is resistant to therapy and even in my community, on top of my head, there are four agencies that provide therapy.
I think it’s quite complicated. There is a lot of stigma surrounding “needing therapy” almost as if there is something wrong with you if you do. These “coaches” spin their services as a noble offering in that if you hire them you are doing yourself some sort of elite favour.
Honestly I think these coaches are just better at marketing/selling their services than therapists hahaha
@@itsdanielleryan I agree. There are two coaches, if I would go to one, that I would use because both of them actually went to therapy and they are ethical to know where it is too big of an issue for them to tackle. I myself have been in therapy for 10 years, three different therapists and I know that I am progressing because I'm learning to trust myself and to hear my own inner voice.
Therapy is not helpful. Can you tell how therapy has been "proven"?? Not to mention, some you therapy worshippers, recommend therapy to everyone though therapy is not for every problem, it cannot resolve every problem and who wants a stranger hearing all their personal business and when will it reach its end?
Because traditional therapies don't work for so many people. DBT is the so called gold standard for example if you've gone through lots of trauma yet it does nothing to help you heal from the trauma or release it. All it does is blame you like it's your fault for being traumatized and sees your ways of coping as problem behaviors then psychologists trained in DBT treat you worse then if you were a criminal. The whole idea of cognitive distortions while have merit the way you're taught to challenge those ideas is highly ineffective.
What are the three dimensions of therapy
1. Secrecy
2. Speaking
3. Listening
Karen,
Maybe you could have an NLP person remove the negative anchor going back to your bad experience in your yoga business.
At least you admit to being a troll.
So are we just calling everyone who has a different opinion than us a Karen or? In that case, thanks for the comment Kevin.. it helps get my video out to more people in the algorithm 😇
Yawn... well yea, few minutes in and I am out.
Cope.