The 7s26 in many Seiko 5 watches needs about 900 revolutions of the rotor to be fully wound. I'm wearing my watches only when I leave the house, and I have a couple, so most watches end up sitting on a shelf most of the day. For the 7s26 that doesn't have hand winding, the following method has proven to work for me: I hold the watch horizontally using its strap folded, so I can swing the watch horizontally but in a curve. I hold the watch in my hand and near my ear, so I can hear the rotor weigth revolving. With a little practise I find the swinging "frequency" that keeps the weigth spinning with every movement, then I count about ten revolutions, then counting the "times ten" I have already wound it, until reaching about 300 revolutions. Since the watch usually had some spring tension left, this makes the watch keep running for about twenty hours when sitting on a shelf in face-up position. When the watch is worn, the movement is slowed down about 90% of the time. Whilst the 7s26 in mine has a deviation of about +10 seconds per day (sitting on a shelf face-up) when wound at least 50% down to maybe 20%, wearing it slows it down to anywhere between +/- zero to -20 seconds per day. When the watch is sitting on the shelf, I check the deviation about two times a day, and when I find it to be on the negative side, it's time to wind it 200 to 300 revolutions again - going slow for more than some hours usually means the spring has lost all tension within the next few hours.
Very very useful n informative. Thanks a lot. I recently bought my first automatic watch, a basic one. I'm from India n it's an Indian brand I bought - Titan Grandmaster. It has this Miyota 8n24 movement. It says in the manual it should last at least 36 hrs on full wind, but hasn't mentioned what a full wind is. It also said, 'give it 15-20 winds'. I don't wear it in the night n found the watch stopping in the middle of the night. So i give it about 10 winds every night. With this video, now that I have a better idea of winding.. I'll give it a try and check how long it lasts. Thanks again.
This was a very helpful video! Thank you so much. I thought that my automatic pocket watch got broken because the crown never got tight when I wound up the watch.
Many thanks for this video I am just craze about watch winding being when ever I have free time I will wind my watch . It's like my break time and what not but yeah the sound of the crown being wind just music's to my ears well didn't realized am actually damaging the coil or movement so to speak. I didn't wear it for the whole day max around 5 to 6 hours before I change to a different watch but still base on this video I think I did overwind me watch to a certain extend.
own two Rolex and 1 Grand Seiko high end models and I'm always anxious about how much to keep em wound... I feel like winders and constant winding to max can't be good for the main spring..
All the manufacturer recommendations I've seen have also been for 30 turns. I was surprised it was so dead on in this case. How long seiko shuffle for roughly 10 hours?
Kinda agree to disagree. The looks and fashion of the watch that have power reserve indicator is indeed limited. And the ones that have it will have a higher price point 😁. Thus far Orient have several and On some Seiko Kinetics models. You surely can't find it in the likes of Rolex or other Swiss Movt.
@@R3aperCr3W Off the top of my head Ball Tag and Hamilton are 3 swiss brands that offer power reserves .'m sure thre are many ,more .Hublot prob do one lol
I didn't even KNOW you could manually wind an automatic watch until today. I kept wondering why my Citizen automatic watch kept quitting when I didn't wear it for more than 24 hours. Now I know, thank you. You just saved me from buying an automatic watch winder....
@@Darthbelal Haha! Same here. My Hamilton can be wound, but my Seiko cannot. Despite that, Seiko has to be one of the BEST watch manufacturers out there. I really appreciate my Seiko.
Power reserve can be a problem for me. I've learned that some movements can work better than others. I have an office job, I put on a watch Monday morning and wear it through Friday. I take it off at night then the next morning about 8 hours later I want it to be still running. Sometimes the cheap Miyotas and Seikos can have a problem, the Seiko 6R15 and the ETA 2824 and 2893 usually don't have a problem. I still have one Seiko 7S26 that normally runs fine for me, and now have a Miyota 9XXX that works well, but now my ETA 2824 and 2893 won't stay running. With them I will hand wind them Monday morning then by Friday night it is barely able to run through the night. So 16 hours of wear barely gains me 8 hours run time, on average. I've also noticed that the 2824 give good feedback while you are winding it, the 2893 I can't tell if I'm even doing anything. I detest the power reserve indicator on the dial because universally they seem to be very ugly, but it would be a complication that would be of benefit to me.
I have a Seiko 5 4R36 movement, and I'm really confused... When it says manual hand wind does that mean I can do the Seiko shake or wind it with the crown? I've had my watch since my birthday and love it, but hear these crazy stories... I just don't want to break it Thanks
New to the channel definitely subscribing! I have a SARB017 Alpinist, it has a 6R15 automatic movement. I really enjoy winding (20 turns) every morning before I put it on for the day. Is that okay?
Hi, again, hopefully you get to see my question. I have a pretty new Aristo running with ETA 2824-2 , I dont wind it too much and I wear it the whole day. I started to see that, sometimes the second hand, when i,it passes over 8 and 10, starts shaking then it goes smoothly , this patterns repeats , I actually have a video of it. Then in the course of the day it disappears . Question Does that has to do winding it? if not, What do you think it is? Thank you . Question: does that
I got a Seiko SARB035 on Sunday, wore it for three days and its been working great. I have hand wound it a few times a day (no more than thirty turns) just cause I think its fun but today as I wind the watch there is a noticeable difference in how winding it feels. It feels harder to wind and there is a bump every other click. Could the watch movement be damaged or is the main spring just fully wound? Im new to watches and this is my first automatic so any info would definitely help.
That most likely means the tth movement is fully wound and the main spring is turning inside the barrel, as designed. It's probably better for the health if the movement if you don't hand wind it at that point, and if you're wearing it you really only need to hand wind it to get it started.
Winding it will add a little bit of wear to the movement, but isn't harmful (unless you wind it excessively). It's more a question of whether or not you need to. You should wind your watch whenever needed, that is, if it stopped. As long as an automatic watch is running, and you're wearing it, there's no need to wind it. But if you're going to take it off, and want to be sure it's at full power, there's no harm in winding it up.
When an automatic watch is being serviced, braking grease is smeared inside the mainspring barrel prior to the installation of the spring, allowing the unattached end of the spring to slip inside the barrel. This prevents it from being overwound..
Hi @JustTheWatch I love your videos! Could you do a video on how to properly (or, how you wound wind and set an automatic watch)? There are so many videos out there that seem so easy to understand but then confuses me.
William Gregor. It's a fun one. 100m Water Resistance single domed mineral crystal that gives a lot of cool distortion on the dial, Seiko NH35A inside. I still have it, but I hardly wear it anymore.
To see the exact time the automatic watch stops, don’t we have to see that exact moment while watching the stopwatch? If we frequently check the process every 10 minutes, we might miss the stop between those 10 minutes. Any tips & tricks? Because I want to check the power reserve of each y watches. Thanks in advanced.
@@galuhrichata6148 keep it in a silent room and record it with your smartphone recording app. Listen to the recorded audio file later to find when the ticking stops
There's two types of mechanical watches (winding watches). Automatic and manual. An Automatic watch will wind itself when you are wearing it, just using the natural motion of your arm and wrist. Most of them will continue to keep time for about 40 hours after you take them off. So if you put it back on before it fully winds down, the time will still be correct and you won't need to set the time again. However due to the inherent inaccuracy of mechanical watches, after about a week or so they drift up to 5 minutes or more off time, so you're likely going to be resetting the time at least once a week no matter what. A manual wind watch works exactly the same, except it doesn't wind itself on your wrist. Typically after winding it fully it will keep time for 40 hours. But before that time is up you'll need to wind it again. As long as you wind it it will continue to run and keep time. But like an automatic it will drift off the current time requiring you to set the time probably once a week.
At 2:00: never do this ! You can damage the Rotor ! If it is a automatic movement, just wind the watch normaly till the watch goes on. If the crown is screwed, wear the watch for some minutes till she ticks and then put the time.
Basically all automatic watches can happily be wound except movements based on the ETA 2824, Sellita 200, PT5000. The ETA 2824 has a weakness that if overwound the Cogs on winding mechanisms ware out / teeth on cogs break if repeatedly wound . With 2824 just slowly wind about 6 turns to start then wear it. The ETA 2892 winds like a dream , Seiko movements are fine to wind.
Hello, im worried im over winding my Orient Kamasu because after i hand wind it i screw it back but sometimes it wont bite when screwing it back and sometimes i feel like im winding it instead on screwing it back.
@@JusttheWatch thanks! Last question, do you think i shouldn't wind it everyday specially if im not using it? I use my watch once or twice a week. Should i wind it even if im not using my watch? Or is it better if i don't if its not in use?
@@kheandrae9894 It's not going to make a big difference either way, but if you let the watch rest on the days your not using it, it could help extend the life of the movement a little longer and give you more time before it would require a service. If you're going to be putting it aside for a long time it's best to wind it at least once a month to keep the oils from drying out.
If I take my Seiko 5 out of the box, manipulate it to adjust the time and put it on wrist, that's enough movement to get it going and it doesn't stop as long as I wear it. YMMV, but I've never really needed to shake it.
buy a auto winder that keeps the watch powered while you are not wearing it. You can find them for $15 on aliexpress. Its hard/impossible to tell if a automatic watch is "full" unless there is a power reserve hand that shows it
Full wind is about 30 cycles . Well to be save maybe wind it at 20 cycles and it is mostly 3/4 full if not a little tad more. But without watch winder you certainly need to pick up that watch after 2 days tops.
What happened to my watch? It ticks when I wind it. The kind of a tick which you hear when you change the date. It ticks kind of once per each round of winding. It’s an automatic watch.
Not sure, could just be the way your watches particular movement works, or could be a sign that something is wrong. If it's otherwise working fine, I probably wouldn't worry too much about it.
Just the Watch thanks for your answer. It didn’t happen before. But it’s been running some 10 hours by now very nice. Don’t really know what it could mean.
I think all watches should be windable because the main purpose is a status symbol of excellence nobody wants to fiddle with a stupid battery with tiny screws that get lost.
Literally the only video I found that answered my questions, just got my first automatic yesterday! Thank you!
The 7s26 in many Seiko 5 watches needs about 900 revolutions of the rotor to be fully wound.
I'm wearing my watches only when I leave the house, and I have a couple, so most watches end up sitting on a shelf most of the day.
For the 7s26 that doesn't have hand winding, the following method has proven to work for me:
I hold the watch horizontally using its strap folded, so I can swing the watch horizontally but in a curve.
I hold the watch in my hand and near my ear, so I can hear the rotor weigth revolving.
With a little practise I find the swinging "frequency" that keeps the weigth spinning with every movement, then I count about ten revolutions, then counting the "times ten" I have already wound it, until reaching about 300 revolutions. Since the watch usually had some spring tension left, this makes the watch keep running for about twenty hours when sitting on a shelf in face-up position.
When the watch is worn, the movement is slowed down about 90% of the time. Whilst the 7s26 in mine has a deviation of about +10 seconds per day (sitting on a shelf face-up) when wound at least 50% down to maybe 20%, wearing it slows it down to anywhere between +/- zero to -20 seconds per day.
When the watch is sitting on the shelf, I check the deviation about two times a day, and when I find it to be on the negative side, it's time to wind it 200 to 300 revolutions again - going slow for more than some hours usually means the spring has lost all tension within the next few hours.
Great information on the 7s26! I just picked up a Seiko 5 sl this is helpful!
Very very useful n informative. Thanks a lot. I recently bought my first automatic watch, a basic one. I'm from India n it's an Indian brand I bought - Titan Grandmaster. It has this Miyota 8n24 movement.
It says in the manual it should last at least 36 hrs on full wind, but hasn't mentioned what a full wind is. It also said, 'give it 15-20 winds'.
I don't wear it in the night n found the watch stopping in the middle of the night. So i give it about 10 winds every night.
With this video, now that I have a better idea of winding.. I'll give it a try and check how long it lasts. Thanks again.
This was a very helpful video! Thank you so much. I thought that my automatic pocket watch got broken because the crown never got tight when I wound up the watch.
Very professional made video and meaningful content. Highly appreciated. Thank you.
Great video, answered my question on winding exactly!
Glad I could help!
Love this video Just the Watch !!!!!
Excellent video! Very useful information that I was totally unaware of. Thanks so much for taking the time to make this video. Very much appreciated!
No problem Ed, glad it was helpful!
I'm coming to this way later on, but still, solid video. Nicely done, sir
Many thanks for this video I am just craze about watch winding being when ever I have free time I will wind my watch .
It's like my break time and what not but yeah the sound of the crown being wind just music's to my ears well didn't realized am actually damaging the coil or movement so to speak.
I didn't wear it for the whole day max around 5 to 6 hours before I change to a different watch but still base on this video I think I did overwind me watch to a certain extend.
Very interesting. Thanks for taking the "time" to do this little test. 👍
own two Rolex and 1 Grand Seiko high end models and I'm always anxious about how much to keep em wound... I feel like winders and constant winding to max can't be good for the main spring..
All the manufacturer recommendations I've seen have also been for 30 turns. I was surprised it was so dead on in this case. How long seiko shuffle for roughly 10 hours?
This is why a power reserve indicator is so useful .
Kinda agree to disagree. The looks and fashion of the watch that have power reserve indicator is indeed limited.
And the ones that have it will have a higher price point 😁. Thus far Orient have several and On some Seiko Kinetics models.
You surely can't find it in the likes of Rolex or other Swiss Movt.
@@R3aperCr3W Off the top of my head Ball Tag and Hamilton are 3 swiss brands that offer power reserves .'m sure thre are many ,more .Hublot prob do one lol
Good video. I bought my first automatic watch Victorinox Airboss Mechanical .
That orient watch is really nice to.
I didn't even KNOW you could manually wind an automatic watch until today. I kept wondering why my Citizen automatic watch kept quitting when I didn't wear it for more than 24 hours. Now I know, thank you. You just saved me from buying an automatic watch winder....
Not all have this ability, though. There are some automatic movements that do not have manual-wind capabilities.
@@QuasarPolaris Unfortunately, you're right, my Citizen watch can be manually wound, my Seiko can't, dammit...
@@Darthbelal Haha! Same here. My Hamilton can be wound, but my Seiko cannot. Despite that, Seiko has to be one of the BEST watch manufacturers out there. I really appreciate my Seiko.
Power reserve can be a problem for me. I've learned that some movements can work better than others. I have an office job, I put on a watch Monday morning and wear it through Friday. I take it off at night then the next morning about 8 hours later I want it to be still running. Sometimes the cheap Miyotas and Seikos can have a problem, the Seiko 6R15 and the ETA 2824 and 2893 usually don't have a problem. I still have one Seiko 7S26 that normally runs fine for me, and now have a Miyota 9XXX that works well, but now my ETA 2824 and 2893 won't stay running. With them I will hand wind them Monday morning then by Friday night it is barely able to run through the night. So 16 hours of wear barely gains me 8 hours run time, on average. I've also noticed that the 2824 give good feedback while you are winding it, the 2893 I can't tell if I'm even doing anything.
I detest the power reserve indicator on the dial because universally they seem to be very ugly, but it would be a complication that would be of benefit to me.
Useful video, appreciated- cheers 👍👍
I have a Seiko 5 4R36 movement, and I'm really confused... When it says manual hand wind does that mean I can do the Seiko shake or wind it with the crown? I've had my watch since my birthday and love it, but hear these crazy stories... I just don't want to break it
Thanks
New to the channel definitely subscribing!
I have a SARB017 Alpinist, it has a 6R15 automatic movement. I really enjoy winding (20 turns) every morning before I put it on for the day. Is that okay?
Yeah that's perfect!
Very use full i already knew this but you taught me some more ! Now I know not to wind it too much
Interesting and enlightening review!! Thanks for sharing!!
Excellent video. Very helpful. You thought of everything. Thanks man.
This is a cool video, you deserve more views my friend.
Thanks man, glad you enjoyed it!
Hi, again, hopefully you get to see my question.
I have a pretty new Aristo running with ETA 2824-2 , I dont wind it too much and I wear it the whole day. I started to see that, sometimes the second hand, when i,it passes over 8 and 10, starts shaking then it goes smoothly , this patterns repeats , I actually have a video of it. Then in the course of the day it disappears .
Question
Does that has to do winding it? if not, What do you think it is?
Thank you .
Question: does that
I got a Seiko SARB035 on Sunday, wore it for three days and its been working great. I have hand wound it a few times a day (no more than thirty turns) just cause I think its fun but today as I wind the watch there is a noticeable difference in how winding it feels. It feels harder to wind and there is a bump every other click. Could the watch movement be damaged or is the main spring just fully wound? Im new to watches and this is my first automatic so any info would definitely help.
That most likely means the tth movement is fully wound and the main spring is turning inside the barrel, as designed. It's probably better for the health if the movement if you don't hand wind it at that point, and if you're wearing it you really only need to hand wind it to get it started.
@@JusttheWatch I think you are right actually. The resistance and strange bump has gone away. watch seems to be working fine. Thanks for the reply.
Awesome! Thanks for info. Very Useful But is it ok to wind your watch daily?
Winding it will add a little bit of wear to the movement, but isn't harmful (unless you wind it excessively). It's more a question of whether or not you need to. You should wind your watch whenever needed, that is, if it stopped. As long as an automatic watch is running, and you're wearing it, there's no need to wind it. But if you're going to take it off, and want to be sure it's at full power, there's no harm in winding it up.
When an automatic watch is being serviced, braking grease is smeared inside the mainspring barrel prior to the installation of the spring, allowing the unattached end of the spring to slip inside the barrel. This prevents it from being overwound..
Hi @JustTheWatch I love your videos! Could you do a video on how to properly (or, how you wound wind and set an automatic watch)? There are so many videos out there that seem so easy to understand but then confuses me.
I have over-wound my Gen. 2, Ver. 2 Orient Bambino for like 5-8 times already and it got me worried. I hope I have not damaged the mechanism.
I know this is an old video but what was that blue dialed watch in the middel! Looks really nice.
William Gregor. It's a fun one. 100m Water Resistance single domed mineral crystal that gives a lot of cool distortion on the dial, Seiko NH35A inside. I still have it, but I hardly wear it anymore.
@@JusttheWatch It's a cool looking watch, Dave! Thanks
I fully wind my automatic watch and set a stopwatch to see how long it’s run time is 😎
Yo that is GENIUS
To see the exact time the automatic watch stops, don’t we have to see that exact moment while watching the stopwatch? If we frequently check the process every 10 minutes, we might miss the stop between those 10 minutes. Any tips & tricks? Because I want to check the power reserve of each y watches. Thanks in advanced.
@@galuhrichata6148 keep it in a silent room and record it with your smartphone recording app. Listen to the recorded audio file later to find when the ticking stops
@@beethan8214 aahh, that’s brilliant! Thanks, Bro…👍🏼👍🏼😃😃
@@zay-toven-onnat799 thanks 😊
No great video Dave, thanks for doing the work...
Fantastic video
Man, loved the orient. Whch model is that?
It's an Orient Polaris, I believe it's been discontinued.
I put my Yacht-master in with my washing , the full spin does the trick
So you have to set the watch to right time everytime you use it? New concept to me never had a winding watch and why?
There's two types of mechanical watches (winding watches). Automatic and manual. An Automatic watch will wind itself when you are wearing it, just using the natural motion of your arm and wrist. Most of them will continue to keep time for about 40 hours after you take them off. So if you put it back on before it fully winds down, the time will still be correct and you won't need to set the time again. However due to the inherent inaccuracy of mechanical watches, after about a week or so they drift up to 5 minutes or more off time, so you're likely going to be resetting the time at least once a week no matter what.
A manual wind watch works exactly the same, except it doesn't wind itself on your wrist. Typically after winding it fully it will keep time for 40 hours. But before that time is up you'll need to wind it again. As long as you wind it it will continue to run and keep time. But like an automatic it will drift off the current time requiring you to set the time probably once a week.
Thank you at least we now have a solid ball park amount of turns.
At 2:00: never do this ! You can damage the Rotor ! If it is a automatic movement, just wind the watch normaly till the watch goes on. If the crown is screwed, wear the watch for some minutes till she ticks and then put the time.
Basically all automatic watches can happily be wound except movements based on the ETA 2824, Sellita 200, PT5000. The ETA 2824 has a weakness that if overwound the Cogs on winding mechanisms ware out / teeth on cogs break if repeatedly wound . With 2824 just slowly wind about 6 turns to start then wear it. The ETA 2892 winds like a dream , Seiko movements are fine to wind.
Hello, im worried im over winding my Orient Kamasu because after i hand wind it i screw it back but sometimes it wont bite when screwing it back and sometimes i feel like im winding it instead on screwing it back.
The movement in the Kamasu has a feature that prevents overwinding, do you don't need to worry about that.
@@JusttheWatch thanks! Last question, do you think i shouldn't wind it everyday specially if im not using it? I use my watch once or twice a week. Should i wind it even if im not using my watch? Or is it better if i don't if its not in use?
@@kheandrae9894 It's not going to make a big difference either way, but if you let the watch rest on the days your not using it, it could help extend the life of the movement a little longer and give you more time before it would require a service. If you're going to be putting it aside for a long time it's best to wind it at least once a month to keep the oils from drying out.
@@JusttheWatch Thankyou very much for the information! Such a huge help. 🙌
If I take my Seiko 5 out of the box, manipulate it to adjust the time and put it on wrist, that's enough movement to get it going and it doesn't stop as long as I wear it. YMMV, but I've never really needed to shake it.
If I want to just wind an automatic watch and not wear it how do I get it to full charge?
buy a auto winder that keeps the watch powered while you are not wearing it. You can find them for $15 on aliexpress. Its hard/impossible to tell if a automatic watch is "full" unless there is a power reserve hand that shows it
Full wind is about 30 cycles . Well to be save maybe wind it at 20 cycles and it is mostly 3/4 full if not a little tad more.
But without watch winder you certainly need to pick up that watch after 2 days tops.
The hand wind watches are the best
What happened to my watch? It ticks when I wind it. The kind of a tick which you hear when you change the date. It ticks kind of once per each round of winding. It’s an automatic watch.
Not sure, could just be the way your watches particular movement works, or could be a sign that something is wrong. If it's otherwise working fine, I probably wouldn't worry too much about it.
Just the Watch thanks for your answer. It didn’t happen before. But it’s been running some 10 hours by now very nice. Don’t really know what it could mean.
Interesting!
My watch only has a 24hr. power reserve so I have to wind it every day.
Hold it vertical and turn it 360° circle, about 30 circles to fully wind. Shaking it is not that convenient, it takes forever.
so automatic watches never reach a point where the crown stops turning?
In most cases yes
So basically if you wear your automatic mechanical watch during the day, everyday, you shouldn’t need to ever wind it?
That's right! But because of the level of accuracy of a mechanical watch you'll likely have to adjust the time around once a week.
@@JusttheWatch Thank you, very informative video.
Great videos, but, it’s spelled “mechanical”
Great video. Get a spell check though.
Believe it or not, your watch is heavier when it is fully wound.
There are some automatic watches that you can not just keep winding without damaging them so I wouldn't say that's a hard and fast rule
its really too ling, automatic watches you cant over wind it, he says with 7 turns + using it should be enough.
I think all watches should be windable because the main purpose is a status symbol of excellence nobody wants to fiddle with a stupid battery with tiny screws that get lost.