I realize that people in real life never actually talk like this, but I love Aaron Sorkin’s dialogue so much. And this movie is brilliantly edited, too.
You’ve never met my 23yo son. He’s single at the moment, but I can imagine this is how his most recent breakup went. I love him unconditionally of course, but conversation is exhausting. His brain is just wired differently.
@ToxicGamer86454 People don't have lightsabers and use the Force, but a lightsaber battle can be amazingly choreographed, acted, blocked, shot, lit, edited, graded, and set up. This is not supposed to be realistic dialogue in the same way that people are not supposed to be realistically attractive in Hollywood films. It's consciously-elevated dialogue, which is not just a valid but an interesting, creative, and impressive stylistic choice if well carried out. Here it's well carried out.
I love how in this film Erika dumped Mark because he was being a weird asshole, but it made him angry and he became even more of an asshole and it led to creation of Facebook.
I’m sure we’d be surprised (or not) to find out that A LOT OF THINGS that were invented and made their inventors super rich/successful was because some past ex of theirs pissed them off at some point and they went on to decide that “living well would be the BEST REVENGE.” P.S. I wonder how that Erika chick feels NOW.
@jaythomas468 if she's smart casual about it. He couldn't have made it without her so that's decent reverse revenge to. Money is just money. It's fickle and comes and goes
Jesse was born to play Zuck lmao. In every movie he's an awkward, clever, arrogant, somewhat charming guy. All he had to do to play Zuck was drop the charm and turn up the rest.
I remember seeing this movie with a guy I was dating at the time. After the movie, he was going on and on about how out of like the girl was, how messed up it was for her to say that to him. I knew then and there that we shouldn't date anymore.
Feeling a bit sorry for him actually. When she asks which is the easiest club, he is intelligent enought to quickly grasp the pontential hurtful meanings behind the question, but he lacks the social intelligence to understand that she meant none of that, just smalltalk. And she's right at the end: that's exhausting. Ironically, this guy gave us a social network
I mean he was being pretty bitchy. He was complaining about how he's having a hard time getting in, so it's entirely logical to try and focus your efforts of the easiest one, she's being pragmatic and he's being emotional. Her asking that wasn't insulting given the context of the conversation but he took it that way because he's insecure.
The coddling of autistic men is so real. He telegraphed he’s more intelligent her and activated jerk level 100 meanwhile lacking the emotional intelligence to realize that her question was not malicious. It’s concern because he’s exhausting and pretentious but more so as of recent bc his obsession with the club. He suggests she’s less intelligent in the exact manner he believed her to be doing to him with the “people you otherwise wouldn’t meet” comment. He then proceeds to literally sl*t shame her. Her whole speech is nail on the head and you men will excuse a rock if a penis were drawn on it .
He was trying to think of steps he needs to take to try and get in, I think asking which is the easiest must makes sense, strategy wise. His ego picked it up a different way
Why does he keep talking so stupidly? He thinks he’s so brilliant but he’s ignoring literally half of her conversation. He’s literally acting like he’s 80x better than her but he can barely respond like a person. She’s absolutely right, it is like being on a Stairmaster. Like, does anyone actually think they could put up with this guy irl? This dialogue is hellish.
that's the whole point of the scene, despite being brilliant he lacks emotional intelligence. throughout the scene its implied he treats this like a computer program (is this real? if yes then apologize; still mad? offer food to fix her mood) only responding to essential information. the dialogue serves to drive this point (though i agree with you it is a bit overdone).
I've met people like how the character is portrayed here. They don't use conversations to connect. They use conversations to try to win. Yes, it is exhausting.
@@Couldthinkofabettername Totally! I cant stand watching him and Michael Cera act. It is literally the same Paulie Bleeker character from Juno over and over.
@@jampig1884he isn’t dating down if he lacks something as simple as social awareness, it’s why in the end she moves on with her life and he friend requests her 😂
is logic....that kind of hard weird ego dialog warm up too much to anybody....so after that is "fair" said, that gonna explode in some "dirty" way, u know...
@@RobertFraire-db1cv Long Island is generally looked down upon by snobs as classless, Wimbledon, where the famous tennis tournament is played, is considered by many to be the height of class. She was being sarcastic.
@mobiz711 I understand now. She's attempting to humble him for his blatant elitism throughout this conversation. On top of that, if you take into account the fact that Mark Zuckerberg comes from White Plains in West Chester County, New York, overlooking Long Island, it makes it come off as an even worse burn.
What? Are you high? This scene is a blatantly obvious introduction to how Zuck is very socially awkward and inexperienced, and probably especially with women. When this film came out, that was a well-known fact about him (that he was socially awkward), so it stands to reason he would have been like this at Uni as well.
You made an interesting observation, as Sorkin has said he fell in love with writing when his parents would take him to stage plays when he was a child. He couldn’t comprehend what the actors were saying, but he said the rhythm of their dialogue sounded like music.
@@taranpclive2965No, i refer to the frassbender one, because it was also written by Sorkin. The Aston Kutcher one is just crap Edit: oh I just realized I mistakenly titled the steve jobs movie, causing the whole confusion. My bad.
@@paperclip9558 No worries... Although I don't agree with the Ashton Kutcher one being crap. It gave a better view on how Apple came to be and gave a good amount of details of how they started out in the garage and stuff and managed to take the company to next levels... Fassbender one was just more about his Interpersonal connections and stuff
Rooney Mara is fucking unreal in this scene. That facial twitch at 4:03? And then she left this set, turned around, and transformed into Lisbeth Salander right after. Generational actor.
The beginning dialog is a statement of the entire movie, i don't see it realistic how ppl and lines are potraied, but the movie has a terrific groove from start to finish. So cinema not necessarily have to deplict reality, often is a transfiguration for entertainment.
It’s poetic-she breaks up with him, which results in him creating a platform so widespread (Facebook, IG, WhatsApp, etc) that she’s most likely on it, herself
In 0.01% fairness to Mark, her question about which is easiest *was* because she knows he'd never get into any Final club, which Mark understandably was offended by.
It’s actually sad because the first time I watched this I was only seeing surface level which was Mark was a dick and got broken up with, but this scene also masterfully shows how Mark cannot always tell when to be joking and when not to be and also has a hard time distinguishing straight words and context clues. Rewatching I actually felt a little bad. He is still conceited as hell, but he wasn’t actually trying to make her mad, he was just trying to get a playful rise out of her that she did to him
The thing is, his idea of a "playful rise" is insulting her intelligence. Meanwhile, he read so deeply into her questions it clearly shows he's INCREDIBLY insecure at any suggestion that HE isn't the best. He is, in fact, an asshole even if he does have an inability to read the room. That doesn't exclude someone from being a narcissistic jerk, and unless you are one, you would really REALLY benefit from being able to tell the difference (but that goes quadruple for women when it comes to dating). The entire movie actually demonstrates this exact premise, you should watch it sometimes lol.
Best part is how he uses the “really? You would do that for me?” line with the Wrinklevoss twins when they offer to “change his public image by working with them.” He correlated her saying that with sarcasm + an indication that she was actually deeply offended by what he said, so he used it to denote his own sarcasm. Dude’s a robot lmao.
How could you not see that? This scene is like the most un-complex scene, ever. Even by the end when he fully pisses her off but doesn't see it and asks "Would you like to get some food?" classic geek with zero social skills to read a situation. It's the most blatant scene about lack of social skills, ever. And it's something the actual Zuck shows time and time again in front of congress all these years later.
you look at the real zuckerberg and he's pretty close to this character. And that was the girl with the dragon tattoo! Amazing right? She is beautiful!
Imagine being a billionaire and knowing that most people on the planet hate your guts. Welcome to the world of Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, Steve Jobs, and Steve Ballmer.
I realize that people in real life never actually talk like this, but I love Aaron Sorkin’s dialogue so much. And this movie is brilliantly edited, too.
There’s actually people that talk like this
Maybe you haven't met a lot of people :)
You’ve never met my 23yo son. He’s single at the moment, but I can imagine this is how his most recent breakup went. I love him unconditionally of course, but conversation is exhausting. His brain is just wired differently.
Lots of ppl do.
I speak like this with my ex. He was a literature major and I'm a chemist/copywriter. Our text arguments looked like a tome. 💀
The dialogue in this scene is incredible
Sorkin is very good at writing. His words really take on a lot of life.
@BlackFlag714 Wdym
@ToxicGamer86454 People don't have lightsabers and use the Force, but a lightsaber battle can be amazingly choreographed, acted, blocked, shot, lit, edited, graded, and set up.
This is not supposed to be realistic dialogue in the same way that people are not supposed to be realistically attractive in Hollywood films. It's consciously-elevated dialogue, which is not just a valid but an interesting, creative, and impressive stylistic choice if well carried out. Here it's well carried out.
@ToxicGamer86454if dialogue is supposed to sound like how people really talk, then there's not a single Oscar-winning film with good dialogue.
you mean....insufferable?
“Dating you is like dating a stairmaster” 😂😂😂
"and what's the Down side of your argument, babe?"😁
I love how in this film Erika dumped Mark because he was being a weird asshole, but it made him angry and he became even more of an asshole and it led to creation of Facebook.
I’m sure we’d be surprised (or not) to find out that A LOT OF THINGS that were invented and made their inventors super rich/successful was because some past ex of theirs pissed them off at some point and they went on to decide that “living well would be the BEST REVENGE.”
P.S. I wonder how that Erika chick feels NOW.
@@jaythomas468 well she wasn't wrong in the movie. he became successful in life but remained an asshole with no friends. who would wanna date that?
@jaythomas468 if she's smart casual about it. He couldn't have made it without her so that's decent reverse revenge to. Money is just money. It's fickle and comes and goes
I think that I read somewhere that she didn't exist, she's just in the film
@@jaythomas468her character was created for the film if I remember correctly. I believe mark was already dating his wife when he created Facebook
One of the best yet most overlooked opening scenes ever.
This is scene is the catalyst for everything that happens with Mark and his social network site
Jesse was born to play Zuck lmao. In every movie he's an awkward, clever, arrogant, somewhat charming guy. All he had to do to play Zuck was drop the charm and turn up the rest.
Que mal que por alguna razón zack snyder pensó que así era lex Luthor
I'm sorry, did you just say 'somewhat charming'???
This is so true
@@409raul I've never seen his other movies so I can't confirm
The most important scene of the movie.
Mark will think about Erika for the whole movie
But she never really existed, right? So the story of Mark Zuckerberg has nothing to do with this.
Him trying to friend her on Facebook is also the closing.
He is STILL thinking about her. Priscilla Chan is just a placeholder, has been for 20 years.
I remember seeing this movie with a guy I was dating at the time. After the movie, he was going on and on about how out of like the girl was, how messed up it was for her to say that to him. I knew then and there that we shouldn't date anymore.
Is his name Elon Musk??
@@khurrambashir7222 lol no it was Ian
@@nikkinitrogen lucky for you lol.. you don’t need to sing the song “one that got away” for the rest of your life 😀😀
He will invent the next big thing soon
You dodged a bullet there nikki. Far out even watching this makes me think dang what a pretentious prick. Good bit of acting though.
Feeling a bit sorry for him actually. When she asks which is the easiest club, he is intelligent enought to quickly grasp the pontential hurtful meanings behind the question, but he lacks the social intelligence to understand that she meant none of that, just smalltalk. And she's right at the end: that's exhausting. Ironically, this guy gave us a social network
I mean he was being pretty bitchy. He was complaining about how he's having a hard time getting in, so it's entirely logical to try and focus your efforts of the easiest one, she's being pragmatic and he's being emotional. Her asking that wasn't insulting given the context of the conversation but he took it that way because he's insecure.
The coddling of autistic men is so real. He telegraphed he’s more intelligent her and activated jerk level 100 meanwhile lacking the emotional intelligence to realize that her question was not malicious. It’s concern because he’s exhausting and pretentious but more so as of recent bc his obsession with the club. He suggests she’s less intelligent in the exact manner he believed her to be doing to him with the “people you otherwise wouldn’t meet” comment. He then proceeds to literally sl*t shame her. Her whole speech is nail on the head and you men will excuse a rock if a penis were drawn on it .
He was trying to think of steps he needs to take to try and get in, I think asking which is the easiest must makes sense, strategy wise. His ego picked it up a different way
Why does he keep talking so stupidly? He thinks he’s so brilliant but he’s ignoring literally half of her conversation. He’s literally acting like he’s 80x better than her but he can barely respond like a person. She’s absolutely right, it is like being on a Stairmaster. Like, does anyone actually think they could put up with this guy irl? This dialogue is hellish.
that's the whole point of the scene, despite being brilliant he lacks emotional intelligence.
throughout the scene its implied he treats this like a computer program (is this real? if yes then apologize; still mad? offer food to fix her mood) only responding to essential information. the dialogue serves to drive this point (though i agree with you it is a bit overdone).
I've met people like how the character is portrayed here. They don't use conversations to connect. They use conversations to try to win. Yes, it is exhausting.
True(I'm literally him)
That micro-growl on Rooney's face at 4:02 is just genius acting.
She does it in Girl with the Dragon Tattoo as well
The chair slide was the best closer.😅😅
Jesse and Rooney are really great actors.
Eisenberg is a douche in real life though
Rooney yes Jesse plays the same character in every movie.
@@Couldthinkofabettername Totally! I cant stand watching him and Michael Cera act. It is literally the same Paulie Bleeker character from Juno over and over.
to think that a guy like this could even get a date with a girl like that is wild
exactly bc whaaaat?😂
He's extremely smart, and came from a rich family. She studies psychology, and isn't wealthy. He's dating down lol
@jampig1884 they're in Cambridge and Boston there are rich, intelligent men everywhere
@@jampig1884he isn’t dating down if he lacks something as simple as social awareness, it’s why in the end she moves on with her life and he friend requests her 😂
That was exahusting just watching that clip.
Agreed. The acting is great, but it's a little much.
It was exhausting mentally…
But did it really happen?
She asserted her dominance by farting when she left the table.
🤣🤣🤣
OMG bro thank you, that was hilarious I'm so glad I went back to listen. I rarely actually laugh out loud (kind of sad), but that totally made me.
Lmao 🤣 🤣
is logic....that kind of hard weird ego dialog warm up too much to anybody....so after that is "fair" said, that gonna explode in some "dirty" way, u know...
The wild thing is Jessie wasn't acting.
“You would do that…for ME?”😂
How they got together in the first place is the biggest mystery.
“What part of Long Island are you from, Wimbledon?”
I don't know this reference. Why is this funny or ironic or whatever it is?
@@RobertFraire-db1cv Long Island is generally looked down upon by snobs as classless, Wimbledon, where the famous tennis tournament is played, is considered by many to be the height of class. She was being sarcastic.
@mobiz711 I understand now. She's attempting to humble him for his blatant elitism throughout this conversation.
On top of that, if you take into account the fact that Mark Zuckerberg comes from White Plains in West Chester County, New York, overlooking Long Island, it makes it come off as an even worse burn.
The problem here is he can’t just be happy he compares everything to himself she’s not good enough because he’s smarter then her.
This dialogue is puzzled over in screenwriting courses. It's stylized, sort of how ancient theatre was.
What? Are you high? This scene is a blatantly obvious introduction to how Zuck is very socially awkward and inexperienced, and probably especially with women. When this film came out, that was a well-known fact about him (that he was socially awkward), so it stands to reason he would have been like this at Uni as well.
Listen I like this movie too but don't blow smoke up its ass lol
You made an interesting observation, as Sorkin has said he fell in love with writing when his parents would take him to stage plays when he was a child. He couldn’t comprehend what the actors were saying, but he said the rhythm of their dialogue sounded like music.
This movie and Steve Jobs is literally action movies but with words.
100% Accurate... The 2013 Jobs with Ashton Kutcher though not the Michael Fassbender one. Also Oppenheimer is wonderful for action with words
@@taranpclive2965No, i refer to the frassbender one, because it was also written by Sorkin. The Aston Kutcher one is just crap
Edit: oh I just realized I mistakenly titled the steve jobs movie, causing the whole confusion. My bad.
@@paperclip9558 No worries... Although I don't agree with the Ashton Kutcher one being crap. It gave a better view on how Apple came to be and gave a good amount of details of how they started out in the garage and stuff and managed to take the company to next levels... Fassbender one was just more about his Interpersonal connections and stuff
Rooney Mara is fucking unreal in this scene. That facial twitch at 4:03? And then she left this set, turned around, and transformed into Lisbeth Salander right after. Generational actor.
The lady seemed really nice but the guy was being a jerk.
Compatibility mismatch lol
"Mark!...."
*Erica!*
"...I'm not speaking in codes!"
The beginning dialog is a statement of the entire movie, i don't see it realistic how ppl and lines are potraied, but the movie has a terrific groove from start to finish. So cinema not necessarily have to deplict reality, often is a transfiguration for entertainment.
the amount of times he interrupts her?!?!
Never realised it was Rooney Mara
The screenplay of this film is the best screenplay that’s been written over the last 25 years
Argue with a wall
What if I’d rather argue with you.
It’s poetic-she breaks up with him, which results in him creating a platform so widespread (Facebook, IG, WhatsApp, etc) that she’s most likely on it, herself
But she didnt exist in real life though.
Hes a real charmer
Never realized this was Rooney Mara
Mark was right. Students at BU do not need to study.
The best scene of the movie
She's pretty weird. Most people wouldn't put up with as much as she did.
In 0.01% fairness to Mark, her question about which is easiest *was* because she knows he'd never get into any Final club, which Mark understandably was offended by.
This makes Zuckerberg seem human.
Devil
He was human
It’s actually sad because the first time I watched this I was only seeing surface level which was Mark was a dick and got broken up with, but this scene also masterfully shows how Mark cannot always tell when to be joking and when not to be and also has a hard time distinguishing straight words and context clues. Rewatching I actually felt a little bad. He is still conceited as hell, but he wasn’t actually trying to make her mad, he was just trying to get a playful rise out of her that she did to him
The thing is, his idea of a "playful rise" is insulting her intelligence. Meanwhile, he read so deeply into her questions it clearly shows he's INCREDIBLY insecure at any suggestion that HE isn't the best.
He is, in fact, an asshole even if he does have an inability to read the room. That doesn't exclude someone from being a narcissistic jerk, and unless you are one, you would really REALLY benefit from being able to tell the difference (but that goes quadruple for women when it comes to dating). The entire movie actually demonstrates this exact premise, you should watch it sometimes lol.
Best part is how he uses the “really? You would do that for me?” line with the Wrinklevoss twins when they offer to “change his public image by working with them.”
He correlated her saying that with sarcasm + an indication that she was actually deeply offended by what he said, so he used it to denote his own sarcasm.
Dude’s a robot lmao.
Sounds like the words of another A-hole to be honest. Did you recently get broken up with too?
How could you not see that? This scene is like the most un-complex scene, ever. Even by the end when he fully pisses her off but doesn't see it and asks "Would you like to get some food?" classic geek with zero social skills to read a situation. It's the most blatant scene about lack of social skills, ever. And it's something the actual Zuck shows time and time again in front of congress all these years later.
I hope Jessie Eisenberg plays Destiny in the Destiny: DGG Movie
How to make a successfull man: give him a bad breakup.
It would be amusing if it wasn't so irritating when movies try to make a character appear "intelligent" by making them talk fast.
Whats the name of the song in the background
Ball and Biscuit, White Stripes
Every DARPA front guy needs a Hollywood mythos story.
Geez, riveting!!!
sometimes I feel I am him lol
He lacks social intelligence. Hr could be on the spectrum.
Nah, just a Jew
you look at the real zuckerberg and he's pretty close to this character. And that was the girl with the dragon tattoo! Amazing right? She is beautiful!
Well done Rooney 👏
This scene is professional quality the actor is monster most people European and girls hated him but he's incredibily
Imagine being a billionaire and knowing that most people on the planet hate your guts. Welcome to the world of Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, Steve Jobs, and Steve Ballmer.
are zuckerberg and eissenberg siblings?
No, but Heisenberg and Iceberg are. 😄
They’re both Jewish. Eww, I know
Turns out girls like those too
Erica doesn’t exist.
4:28
I can't tell you how many people I know need to hear this, especially the incels
You fraternize with a lot of incels? Why?
Why did she fart before leaving the table? That’s rude
😂 poor guy is trying so hard
watching this makes me annoyed.
perfect scene?
0:53
1600 on SAT, smart zuck
See ya this november.
0:01
1:16
1:25 she was NOT asking just to ask. Come TF on!
Geez
oui , marre marre marre
God hes awful 😂😂🤣🤣😂😂
Dip ak-47dip
Ida
why?
❤
Having gone to many Final Club parties… they WERE fun and no, Zuck never wd have been invited 😅🎉🥂🥂🥂🥂🥂🥂🥂🥂📚🚬🎶
Erica is the true villain
yes she planted the chicken and the cocaine
It would've been someone else if it wasn't Erica. Mark was already a ticking time bomb.
Not Mark is an elitist asshole
Ah yes, it's always the woman's fault. Typical incel logic
In actuality or in the movie?
Because in real life, I can assure you, Zuckerberg is the worst person.
If there was no Erika, would be no Facebook. She should have sued along with the Winkelvoss twins and Eduardo for Facebook money
Wonderful billionaire mark zuckerberg movie wonderful
Wonderful movie mark zuckerberg excellent