Haunting Episode, Incredibly Delivered! - Frieren: Beyond Journey’s End Episode 7
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- Опубликовано: 19 окт 2024
- Impressions of Episode 7 of Frieren: Beyond Journey’s End. Japanese title Sousou no Frieren.
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I absolutely LOVE the author's take on demons. It's so alien, but it carries its own inherent logic, albeit a logic that could only come from an intellect completely devoid of any semblance of humanity.
You could almost argue that they're not even really _evil,_ at least not individually. There's no more morality in the equation than there is in an anglerfish using its lure, or a spider using its web. Demons are predators; humans are the prey. They didn't learn to use human speech to deceive for the sake of some evil goal. They did it to catch prey, like some predator might do by imitating a bird call. And even though they are extremely intelligent, because they aren't human, they don't fully understand the meaning behind what they say. They just use what has worked before, and if something isn't successful, they adjust.
The child demon in this episode doesn't understand _why_ crying "mama" makes humans let down their guard and cease violence towards her, she just knows that it does, and that's a positive outcome for her.
Oh btw spoiler alert (kinda I’ll still be vague about it but read at your own expense ig):
Yeah they explicitly reinforce that demons aren’t “evil” cuz concepts like “morality” aren’t something demons really feel in one of the more recent arc in the manga so you’re right btw
If you notice later on, the demons from.further back resembled humans much less and monsters much more. The newer demons seem to look like 'attractive' humans. The females are small, non threatening and cute. The men tall, distinguished, attractive. This is yet another evolution to decieve.
It makes me wonder though if one day the demons will accidently evolve empathy and actually become like humans.
I think the hero party's statues aren't made so that Frieren remembers. Frieren seemed sad that she was the only one who remembers her master's face, so Himmel made sure that there would be people who could share the memory of their party long after they died. One of my favorite aspects of this series is how it recontextualizes certain facets of the characters and world as we go on the journey. Frieren, magic, and the demons have a lot of depth and I delightfully anticipate all the anime onlys experiencing it for the first time.
It's so that in far future Frieren remember that the Hero party really exist, not just some fairy tale unlike her master Flamme who don't have a statue and nobody remember the face anymore making it looks like the legendary mage is just a fairy tale.
The thing i liked about when Lugner is about tell his story is how we focus on his eyes scanning the room.
It's like the scene in the Usual Suspects where the MC created a convincing fake story just from looking at different things in the room.
Sociopaths with extra steps these demons are!
I gave the episode a rewatch and just realized something. At the beginning Freiren mentions that she is probably the only person who remembers Flame’s face and it seems like Himmel is having all the statues made so that she isn’t alone in remembering their faces.
Wait…this is sad asf 😢 I really love himmel man 😞
Lol yeah that was 100% the point they were goingnfor
I want to point something out.
At the start, i think himmel did the statues, mainly for himself. Thats why (besides the capital, because that was their last stoppoint) all we see is statues of only himmel, until we reach that episode.
Then we see statues of the whole group. So its kinda like what himmel said, also struck a chord with Eisen and Heiter. And they basically decided to make statues of them.
@@TheDwagonHDhe definitely does it for frieren. at that point himmel is madly in love with frieren, he is a bit narcissistic yes but he is also kind so it seems its clear the main goal is just so frieren can see it from time to time.
The demon in the village probably learned to cry out "Mother" because that's what the child she was killing and eating was doing.
Frieren literally asked this question, and the demon girl explained it.
As always the author of Frieren is very on the nose with the naming of characters. As a german it really makes me chuckle.
"Lügner" is german for "liar", because well.... he's lying
"Draht" is german for "wire", which refers to his wire-like magic he used to cut the guards heads off
"Linie" is german for "a straight line", which seems a lot more abstract. And because I don't know the sauce material I have no idea how that relates to her.
It seems so as if the author just took a german dictanory and just named his Characters acording to there main charakteristic attribute
@@IldovanEinheyer I think it is because japanese names are often made of kanjis that have meanings (like Ichigo of Bleach whose name is written with the kanji for protection). The author probably wanted the names to have meanings but also sound really fantasy. Hence the german words. Must be wierd when you are actually German though XD.
Well linie didnt seem like the sneaky sort. She just came right at you with weapons.
Frieren was around when demons evolved from monsters that made a sound similar to "save me". Her teacher invented the concept of "demon". She sees demons for what they are because they saw them before they came to be the way they are.
I feel like Perugius would love to have conversations with Frieren. Btw my guess is Aura was long prepared but hid purposely till Himmel died, because he crushed her so badly, just in case when she raises again 80-year-old Himmel would show up outta nowhere and cut her into thousands of pieces, she would rather wait a mare 50 years or so.
In the manga it is hinted that the demons hided until Himmel death because they were afraid of him and time is not a problem for them. "This guy will pass soon, we can rise again later" sort of plan.
It kind of sounds like she has seen the evolution of demons from monsters who yell “help” in the darkness to being capable of more complex speech patterns. At the very least even if they can’t be reasoned with, the seem to be capable of reason.
Absolutely. They may not have human intelligence, but they do have a form of intelligence. It's just that they don't see any other intelligent being as anything more than food, & they see no point in communicating with food, beyond luring it in for the kill. They have no compassion or empathy. They just use human speech like a hunter would use a mating call. That's what makes them so terrifying.
@@WinterGirlRules Yes, the concepts of "good" or "evil" do not really apply to them. They are simply intelligent predators. A tiger eating a farmer is not "evil", it just does tiger things. The demons have learned that saying certain things makes humans let their guard down, so the demons use this to prey on humans, even though they have no clue what the words they say actually mean.
@@WinterGirlRules Excellent comment. Language as a Duck Call whistle!
What's tragic is that Himmel was absolutely in love with Frieren. But he understood that love was never meant to be. And it's pretty clear that he never loved anyone else. .
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There's even a tragic side character in this series that Frieren knows, a dwarf who fell in love with a human woman and after she died the dwarf protected the village she was born in for centuries after her death.
The demons in this show reminds me of how I felt when I really got to know Kyubey for the first time. Good stuff.
Oh yehhhh definitely had trust issues with that guy~~ Kyubey made some good points but goddamn the guy was manipulative, well in the creatures case it's a way for their survival.
So far there's a lot of monsters based on deception in this show. We've got mimics, which pretend to be treasure. Einsam, which pretend to be loved ones. And now demons, who pretend to be humans. Each one tries to get humans to drop their guards by using their emotions against them, via greed, love, or sentimentality.
Evolution keep what works ^^
The way Demons in the "Frieren" universe imitate human speech isn't as innocent as a parrot's chirps doing the same. It's more like how a hunter or predator imitates a mating call, or an injured animal to lure in their prey. They may have some level of intelligence, but they're incapable of communication. They see all other intelligences as food, & see no point in communicating with them. Frieren knows that they're nothing more than pack hunters & it's either let yourself be eaten, or kill the predator that's after you. I mean, this series is giving demons in all other anime a bad name, but damn. The author knows how to create a terrifying villain, & monsters that are genuinely worthy of the name. I am loving this series so much. Can't wait for the next episode, & I hope demons are recurring villains, because "Frieren" demons are great villains.
Yes, the demons just want to make it easier to kill their prey. Like the demons we saw which make you let your guard down by showing illusions of people you miss. The demons we saw in this episode apparently evolved from demons which could just mimick sounds like "help me" to lure people to them so they could kill them.
If that demons kills Frieren which he thinks he can (for a reason explained later), he can blame the guard’s death on Frieren trying to escape and killed the guard, he is just here to kill a murderer that escaped.
No doubt in my mind that was his plan. Of course, it will never come to fruition.
It seems like the demon child can’t distinguish between things and people. It was like I broke your cup so here is a new cup.
Sort of but i like the idea that demon are bad and that's the reason why humans kill them
Not a spoiler as such, but one of the great things of this series is that it plants seeds and explains later the reasons how and why demons are so terrifying... but even on the most basic level, Demons are THE Apex predators in this world., and Freiren understands that... they just look like people. The portrayal of them is so on point and actually terrifying... we're basically bugs or a cheese burger to demons.
And it's not even them being evil as such, or bad, it's their nature.
@@laitupuola3248Precisely. Demons can't communicate with other intelligent races, because they see no point in communicating with food.
And it is still bad because that cup is stolen from someone else after robbing their home
Woah. Demons are like AI. They just say whatever they think you want to hear.
But computers don't want to eat you like these demons, nor do computers care about having power over others like humans.
Great episode, Insight into the demon psyche. The scene when Himmel explains why he has statues made was so moving for me. It's so funny how Frieren is scooped up and carried in one arm by people. Frieren is gonna be a serious badass soon?
So far, every episode made me cry. Some more, some lesss - but every episode did.
The only anime that did that for me so far was "A place further than the universe" some years back.
Also, I like this anime more than I liked Mushoku Tensei, back when I was 7 episodes in.
At first I was like: This is going to be a nice anime to keep me going until Mushoku Tensei continues next year - but at this rate, this a strong contender to surpass Mushoku Tensei and by the time it's over, I'll be saying: Fuck Mushoku Tensei, I want more Frieren!
Auras power that she regained is temporal/military, not magical power.
She went in hiding after her fight with the heroes party and only came out of it after she heard himmel had died.
by the way the demons name "Lügner" means Liar. They all have german names like Himmel (sky) Frieren (freezing) or Stark (strong). Greetings from Austria, realy enjoying your content
A king recording of a frieren episode is always good ❤
The dialogue is so amazing. As a viewer, I know 100% the demons don’t mean it. I still sympathize with them based on the words they say and how they say it.
Doesn't hurt that Lügner's VA (Archer!) absolutely nails the delivery. That's the exact kind of haughty yet oddly emotionless tone I was imagining when I read this part in the manga. Gotta love an adaptation where it's clear that from the producers, to the voice actors, down to the in-betweeners, there's not a person on the staff who doesn't love this material.
Also thought the peculiar, Zuckerbergian delivery by Draht (the demon who confronts Frieren at the end) fit very well, though that's not really how I imagined it. Clearly he hasn't spent as much time interacting verbally with humans as Lügner has, because there's basically no attempt to affect any humanity in his voice.
Wonderful review of EP7 where the author of Frieren, Kanehito Yamada, lays out a new theory of demons, that we attribute humanness to anything for which we can carry on a conversation. In reality we see this now, with modern computer Chatbots or LLMs! There are those who believe that there must be consciousness behind a bot because "he" seems to understand me.
I dont think any other media has ever portrayed demons in such a way and i love it what a good "twist"
"Im stronger then your bosses boss"
mr.hero feels like a guy in his 20's on a rode trip no selfies only statues
About Flamme : She is the founding figure of human magic. As in before her, human were not into magic (which was seen as a demonic art). But Demons and monsters and elves were already lagic users from millenias. Magic is more ancient. Also, a lot of spells Frieren collect are popular lagic, created and used by common folks, that were invented during the last millenia by humans who use magic to make life easier (since they don't have all the time in the world).
I don't even think the demons are bad. They evolved like that to be effective at surviving and catching prey like any other species. It's not about good and bad.
There is more to the rarity of elves or them being close to extinction but that would be revealed when Frieren recalls her backstory.
Aura (In hiding)
Himmel (Dies)
Aura: At last after 28 years I am free to conquer!
Frieren: LOL
Lugner was voiced by Junichi Sawabe, the same VA for JJK's Sukuna. While his demon girl companion Linie was voiced by Manaka Iwami, the same VA for Akane from Oshi no Ko.
Of all the new anime and sequels out there this season, so far this is by far my favorite. I've said this before but I think that initial 4 episode release really let us viewers get into the story very quickly
It's a bit simpler than Himmel's death literally giving Aura her magical power back.
It's that with his death, she decided to stop hiding. The power here is not magic, it's just her army, influence and territory.
Happy FF's !!!
Man, this show... it's amazing!
I don't think the key factor in Frieren's being able to kill the demon child calling out for mother is her emotional disconnection. I think it is her experience and wisdom. She's got the eyes of someone who seen this time and again and she knows a lot more than anyone else about demons and their families (or lack thereof) so she clearly studied them and sought to understand them. Her conclusion that they cannot be reasoned with, negotiated with or coexisted with is coming from having fought with, studied, and seen the tragedies play out to their conclusion for so many years.
I know it's a bit late. But while watching this I thought the demons are like ai. They parrot and remix human text but ai doesn't actually have any deep understanding of what it's writing. It's just trying to create what it thinks the human wants based on the algorithm created from the text it's been given.
I don’t think that Flamme is literally the source of all humanity’s magic just that she was instrumental in mankind’s use of it. It’s like when people say Gregor Mendel is the father of genetics. Not all concepts in genetics originated from his scientific work but they acted as a foundation for the field.
Yeah, rather than the creator of all human magic she is almost certainly just the founder of it. We have already seen how much humans have innovated thier magic in just the 80 years since the great demon war.
Aura simply was afraid of Himmel
common frieren masterclass episode
5:53 someone send in Rudeus to fix this problem.
you will know more of the elfs with Kraft, andwill enjoy so much of the demons with Macth and Soltair
Solitär is so terrifying. I love it ! But since the season will be 28 episodes we won't see them I think. At the actual pace we will only reach the end of the mage exam.
Wildbeasts with Chat GPT 4 integrated.
i wonder if the elf's replacement predicament is meant to be allegorical to japan's declining birthrates.
It seems odd to me that Frieren allows a lowly guard to throw her to the ground. Deception on her part?
She doesn't want to harm humans, and she's not physically strong either.
Take-away from this episode: Johann got Isekai'ed 😂
Dude, I am in love with freiren. She is definitely on my waifu list. Rule 34 just made it worst. 😂
I dont think it has to do with frieren being devoid of emotions towards the demons. I have an inkling that it may be due to her long existence and interaction with them. I have a feeling that her and flamme mightve had an interaction with demons in the past that may have solidified he belief that they are purely deceiving.
[HEAVY SPOILERS]
As of the most recent chapter, we have met an additional 2 elves. One of them is in the opening.
Both are in the opening
@@il3fortunato664 Oh yeah, forgot we saw him for a split second
brooo when the anime reach el dorado arc you gonna super love it
that aint for another like 3-4 years bro hate to break it 😭
@@heckmelon9818 true T_T
I don't think that the demons are really evil. They are more like evolved predator animals who do everything to deceive their prey. Like the Corpse-weeper in Made in Abyss, but way more evolved.
aura probably 2 to 3 ep later. other elf is in the OP sequence
Excellent review in general. Just a nitpick. I'm not sure if it was a mistranslation, but elves are not asexual or completely void of reproductive instincts. They are capable of love and have sexual urges, but because of how long they live and how detached they become from others, their urge to really connect and start a family becomes a secondary thought to them. They become loners in a sense because they feel as if the rest of the world is moving in a different time than them and so they put their effort and time to solitary goals they find interesting, like Frieren did with collecting spells.
Imagine that you have unlimited time. What would you do? Would you not try to find something to occupy yourself with? A hobby? Now imagine that this hobby of yours becomes almost an obsession. That is what happens with elves. They feel that they have all the time in the world, so they try to find something to do and trying to connect with others is something they can do later on, they have the time. So the whole not having romantic urges is a byproduct of their concept of time. If not, then the Elves would have died even sooner, after all, the elves where the firstborn of this world if I'm not mistaken as it will be revealed later on from one of the most important characters of this story, an elf by the way. If they didn't have any romantic urges and reproductive instincts, then they would have died long before now. Instead they are still around even if they have become rare.
In the end, it becomes a matter of how to approach them and how to make them want to spend time with you and put the effort to know you. Again, like Frieren tries to learn about Himmel and connect to other people so that she won't miss another opportunity like she did with Himmel.
As for the fact that Frieren is very capable in detaching herself and making the kill, there is a reason for it and it will be revealed later on.
Suffice to say that the elves ARE capable of emotions as much if not more than humans, dwarves and the rest of the intelligent species. The whole reason for their rarity and their march towards extinction is simply a byproduct of their concept of time.
Lastly, a personal opinion. I haven't read the whole thing but I believe that Frieren really was in love with Himmel, just as he was in love with her. But, because of her different sense of time, she mistakenly thought she had the time to just do whatever and they can meet again later without any problems. Even though intellectually she knew humans live short lives compared to elves, her sense of time made her forget that, just like sometimes we forget something that isn't convenient to us in our normal everyday lives.
This show is slow to me but this episode was really good. The deception was very well done on the Demons part.
why you keep switching fern to frieren
Kishidika? From Mushoku?
because she make herself look weak, to deceive the demon
Please, no spoilers.
This was a good subversion of the 'racist old protagonist' trope
Playing off the empathy of humans so that you can reach a terrible goal that only you are interested in.
Sounds like political-activists and most politicians to me.
Political activists are prey for the politicians. The political activists would be more like Graf. Thinking that by communicating with the politician, they can reach a solution that will ensure a resolution that will lead to peace, but the politician sees the political activist, & the rest of us as food. Never trust them. Politicians use human speech to lure in their prey. No other reason.
It's the greatest exercise in futility to petition for an end to all the world's social ills from the people who caused them in the first place.
Silly rabbit, political activists are simply the sheep being led around by the emotional manipulation of politicians who are in turn the corporate conglomerates' monkey boys.
You get the names so many times wrong.