💥 *I would love to see a big AAH Podcast group attend the Reptile Preservation Party (Only $17 for a virtual ticket)* 👉 reptile-preservation-institute.ticketleap.com/reptile-preservation-party/
This is awesome. I just recently came across your channel. I'm currently 13, I run my own hermit crab rescue (to help with conservation) and have 73 reptiles/amphibians/rodents/avian/common pets (cats and dog)/aquatics most of which live in my pet room in bioactive setups. I, by choice, give a 10-30 slide, slideshow of the care and requirements of the species and a 3-6 page persuasive essay on why I should get the animal that way I new personally that I was ready for the specific species or animal. video was awesome to listen to when feeding the my pets!
@@Clover_knows_pets glad you enjoyed it! Sounds like you are on the right path 🙂. However, I would probably but a cap on any new animals. 73 is a lot! It sounds like you’re doing a fantastic job caring for them, but I bet that’s quite expensive. 73. Will keep you busy for a while 😉
Dillon, I came back to this episode today after initially hearing it when it came out two years ago. This talk inspired me to join multiple groups working with harder to find chelonians so I could start on this path that the founders of the Abronia Alliance have done. As I’m listening to this, I’m taking care of my first large group of one species, my North American wood turtles, and me and a few other individuals are raising these animals up to breed to reduce their wild counterparts market value. It is going to be a long process (still 4 more years till my oldest are sexually mature), but it has greatly expanded my connections in the animal world and has built my dreams of having a conservation based breeding, education, and preservation facility in a realistic, but still expansive, way to help conserve species and captivate the public in my area. My husbandry, my maturity with animal keeping, and my joy in animal keeping has expanded so much since hearing this, and I’m so happy I came back to it tonight. I want to re-listen to this episode now every few months as I’ll probably pick up something new each time. Thank you for your effort in this, I would love to see the Alliance, as well as other conservation organizations on again. Keep doing what you’re doing, more young people are out there like me that will hear this and run with it, and more species will be better off for it. God bless! - Logan
Hi Logan, thanks for dropping back onto this episode and sharing what you’ve been up to. That is absolutely incredible! Keep up the good work, can’t wait to watch your project develop over the next few years 😀
I was hoping he would be coming back to the blue Abronia graminea haha. he mostly mentioned it in the beginning so I want to talk about it a bit more, In the wild basically all A. graminea are different shades of green, some enter more blueish color but remain traces of green. What all wild graminea have in common are yellow eyelids and rings around the eye ranging from a slightly pale yellow to almost orange. Now what happens when graminea enter captivity? Their diet changes and with this diet change graminea in captivity get paler and paler until they reach either shades of grey or entirely blue and white. This change usually starts with the yellow around the eyes getting paler before the rest of the body follows. Why is that? CAROTENOIDS! depending on what you gutload and dust your feeders with graminea can retain bits of yellow/orange and remain green. If the lack of carotenoids goes on for long enough graminea turn grey or blue. Carotenoids are very important for them and they get a high quantity of it through their feeder insects in the wild. If the lack of carotenoids goes on for long enough their health can start to deteriorate. I think the entirely pale blue ones are extremely pretty but they're not supposed to look like that. The solution is to gutload and dust feeders with a high carotenoid content, many keepers have found that repashy superpig works amazingly for this. Within months blue and grey graminea turn a vibrant green and yellow again.
It's so nice to see multiple and varying options in one place. I have always believed no one person should be trusted on anything important. Knowledge will reveal more "truths" as we gather information and share it. I grew up visiting cattle farms of horse people. My father, never more than 2 of these at once, raised 200 rabbits, 10 horses, 2 Goats, 5 cattle, 2 pigs, 2 ponies and 10 lawnmowers. We had apple and berry trees, a few acres of berries, 6 of forest and some marshland all on a hillside flat near a lake damn. We had some kind of garden every year. I always loved the complexity of nature and the resistance of animals (like the garter snake sleeping together all winter). I got to experience, first hand my natural environment and farming environments. I love all animals, but adult house flies and mosquitos. Ethics, biology and physics have been so ignored by our monoculture environment.
Listen to this awesome episode while working on my Australian Water Dragon set ups. I'm taking over a pair that the previous owner attempted to breed without success. Our goal is to breed this pair and help make this species more available here in Canada. It will be a small contribution but it will be our part! Thanks for the information this channel continues to put out there for us. If something I typed doesn't make sense, I blame it on the paint fumes..lol 🤣
Oh, awesome, this is a perfect episode to listen to as you set up that project. I have been following along with your build on your Instagram posts, can't wait to watch it develop! :) It would be great to have more CBB AWD's available in Canada!
@@AnimalsatHomePodcast Thank you, I can't wait to put all the pieces of the build puzzle together and get started on the next phase of the process, working with the dragons!
I've been in love with Abronia since I discovered them through Forrest years ago. I think they are the most beautiful lizards on the planet! This is the only kind of lizard I'm interested in breeding someday, and I live in the perfect climate for it. I would love to be part of this community when I'm ready to take the plunge. What a fantastic group and mission! This is the future of herpetoculture, definitely hyped! Excellent information here, thank you.
Your videos always seen to be relevant to my life 😂 or maybe just makes me think alittle more 🤔 I've been thinking about what my next additions are gunna be and honestly been obsessed with day geckos recently (actually how I found your channel with your day gecko build series) in particular Lygodactylus williamsi and Phelsuma klemmeri, and tbh their situation in the wild interests me and this video has made me think alot more about how our hobby can benefit the animals we love in the wild, the one charity I can think of is SEED Madagascar (which a local zoo works closely with so have been aware of for a while but gunna look more into it) which supports projects in the South side of Madagascar mainly with Lemurs but any support helps all wildlife and know they have done projects with Chameleons and Phelsuma antanosy. Guess it just makes you think more about the bigger picture
😂 great minds think alike! That sounds like an excellent project to sink your teeth into. Even if you donated 5% of projects to SEED that would be incredible
@@AnimalsatHomePodcast Seems that way! 😂 You had a thought about what animal you might want to work with since recording this? (after your move ect ect) Yea long way off that yet but definitely something I'm gunna read further into and keep in mind
I haven’t decided yet… But I would like to work with a South American snake species I think. That way I could donate some of the profits to the charity that I already support. I’ll spend the next couple of weeks continuing to research and hopefully narrow it down to a few concrete species by then 😁
Hello I am S.korean. I have a question about Avronia. Is it okay to breed graminea 1pair with female taeniata1 in a single Exotera case? If they are adults? Thanks for reconment! and is it okay 76℉ for breeding them?
Hi There, I would head right to Nick's website and send him an email. Better chance that he will see it there: facebook.com/AbroniaAlliance/ or email: abroniaalliance@yahoo.com
I used to make my kids do the same thing. My daughter wanted every animal in the world. She ended up with a Maltese after wanting a sugar glider, a chinchilla, a squirrel etc…. My son ended up not getting any pets.
My thought on reptile/herp owners needing to have a external motivation to keep reptile/herp: I think it's good to have conservative motivation to keeping herps, but I also think that can be demotivating/anxiety source due to the weight of that, and that people can keep herps for the pleasure and mental well being and not have that external need. Like thinking of the recent video on ADHD /autism video, should that autistic child (or adult) that found a lot of comfort in holding a snake and decides to get one for the mental well being, should they also need engage in supporting conservatorship when getting a reptile? But on other side, should they be buying a wild caught reptile instead of captive bred? Probably not, but it's likely should be on more experienced people in hobby ensuring that captive bred is option there (which that's is what's it's becoming). Goes to a common thing in environmentalism -- should the government, business, or consumer be the one implementing changes to help improve the world. Like with example outside of herp -- should a (low income consumer) consumer stop shopping at exploitative businesses, or should government increase regulation to make the business less explotative? All three are needed ...tho it goes back to voters who elect the government consist of the consumers or business owners in some cases, but there's also so much corruption in government and rich people money influencing elections, so much of environmental damage and issues goes down to rich people and corruption with the individual consumer having so little power, but that doesn't mean no power. It's overwhelming... Like, the world needs to be better, we're destroying it in so many ways, and we need to change that, but each individual hobby doesn't need to do that for each individual, even if it benefits the world to do that. But we do need to do better.
Ohhmmagaawd those Arbonias are really beautiful! If they were allowed, I would’ve soaked up every little bit of info on them. Sadly, we are not allowed to have these where I live. Norway has one of the strictest rules in Europe (only beaten by Iceland) regarding which species of reptiles we are allowed to keep… it was banned (except from certain tortoise or turtles people with severe allergies of furry or feathery friends were allowed to keep with documentation from a doctor) until 2017. The list of legal reptiles are sad.. Morelia viridis Python regius Morelia spilota Corallus hortulanus Boa constrictor Epicrates cenchria Lampropeltis getula Pantherophis guttatus Lampropeltis triangulum Correlophus ciliatus Eublepharis macularius Phelsuma madagascariensis Uromastyx ocellata Pogona vitticeps Varanus acanthurus Lacerta lepida (Timon lepidus) Testudo hermanni Chelonoidis carbonarius (Geochelone carbonaria) Chinemys reevesi (Mauremys reevesi) Really love your podcast and as always an informative episode 😊
Man I would be so much more advanced with my keeping if i had at least one parent that supported my love as a child. (Gonna comment random thing as I watch lol)
I know his feeling on this. Asian water dragons have care guides that are about 10 years old. Most are missing information, and even on RUclips the videos lack information a new keeper will need. I've watched about 200 videos on building the enclosure and I've yet to see a single one that matches all their needs. If you can find anyone that knows about these guys in the wild or is an actual expert on them that would be great.
@@AnimalsatHomePodcast That would be awesome! There so much misinformation about them and their habits online. Even their inability to see or understand transparent materials makes people think they just need a bigger enclosure when in truth they simply cannot see the glass. Water bowls are also useless as they can't see the water in it (thus my vivarium having a running river and waterfalls to disturb the waters surface). I'm planning to use contra-vision on mu vivarium and see if that works, but from what I can tell people have just accepted they'll bust their faces on the glass....
When i was a kid around 10 years old i for many months kept giving my mom different 5 page essays on why I’m responsible enough for a ball python.😂 took months but it worked
How is this uk member in alliance with your goals but is holding back the “recipe.” This guy totally contradicted himself within 60 seconds. Am I being critical or is there gait keeping among this “alliance?”
Not sure what you mean? Can you time stamp the section of the conversation you are referring to? It has been a long time since I had this conversation!
@@AnimalsatHomePodcast after listening to all he explains of the alliance and it’s goals then going into the emphasis on true conservation , at 1hr you ask a question about collaborating with the uk. At 1:03:00 mark he contradicts all that he explained of the alliance foundation. Unless I’m harping….lol. I’m sorry. I have no idea how to time stamp.
Well, it wasn’t Nick (the interviewee) who is withholding information, it was the European keeper who they brought into the alliance. So Nick didn’t contradict himself at all. He’s just simply mentioning that an incredible keeper (who is now a member of the alliance) has yet to share all of his breeding information publicly… Which is a very understandable position. Abronia are very rare and very expensive, they are a very alluring species to work with, especially if you are just in it for the money.
@@AnimalsatHomePodcastI understand it as you have explained it. Besides that it seems the uk member is not sharing his success with the alliance. Which would contradict one of the main goals of the alliance. Maybe I’m missing something. But no worries. Thanks for your input. And thank you for your content. Best wishes from mn, USA.
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This is awesome. I just recently came across your channel. I'm currently 13, I run my own hermit crab rescue (to help with conservation) and have 73 reptiles/amphibians/rodents/avian/common pets (cats and dog)/aquatics most of which live in my pet room in bioactive setups. I, by choice, give a 10-30 slide, slideshow of the care and requirements of the species and a 3-6 page persuasive essay on why I should get the animal that way I new personally that I was ready for the specific species or animal.
video was awesome to listen to when feeding the my pets!
@@Clover_knows_pets glad you enjoyed it! Sounds like you are on the right path 🙂. However, I would probably but a cap on any new animals. 73 is a lot! It sounds like you’re doing a fantastic job caring for them, but I bet that’s quite expensive. 73. Will keep you busy for a while 😉
@@AnimalsatHomePodcast yup! It's a ton of work but totally worth it getting to keep so many amazing species with such awesome personalities🙂
This is probably the biggest source of abronia information available in one place. Very engaging intervuew
Agreed!!!
Thanks guys, happy To hear you enjoyed it!
What an enlightening conversation. It’s great to see people who are seriously passionate about a species.
Thank you for listening Margie! Nick was a pleasure to chat with
RIP Forrest! What an amazing asset he was to this community!
Absolutely, A massive lost to herpetoculture
This podcast is so important for the hobby. Def my favourite.
This episode in particular is super inspiring!
Thank you for the kind words, and thank you for listening to this episode!
Another great interview. Thanks for what you do man.
And thank you for listening, glad you enjoyed the interview!
Dillon, I came back to this episode today after initially hearing it when it came out two years ago. This talk inspired me to join multiple groups working with harder to find chelonians so I could start on this path that the founders of the Abronia Alliance have done. As I’m listening to this, I’m taking care of my first large group of one species, my North American wood turtles, and me and a few other individuals are raising these animals up to breed to reduce their wild counterparts market value. It is going to be a long process (still 4 more years till my oldest are sexually mature), but it has greatly expanded my connections in the animal world and has built my dreams of having a conservation based breeding, education, and preservation facility in a realistic, but still expansive, way to help conserve species and captivate the public in my area. My husbandry, my maturity with animal keeping, and my joy in animal keeping has expanded so much since hearing this, and I’m so happy I came back to it tonight. I want to re-listen to this episode now every few months as I’ll probably pick up something new each time.
Thank you for your effort in this, I would love to see the Alliance, as well as other conservation organizations on again.
Keep doing what you’re doing, more young people are out there like me that will hear this and run with it, and more species will be better off for it.
God bless!
- Logan
Hi Logan, thanks for dropping back onto this episode and sharing what you’ve been up to. That is absolutely incredible! Keep up the good work, can’t wait to watch your project develop over the next few years 😀
Will do sir!
I was hoping he would be coming back to the blue Abronia graminea haha. he mostly mentioned it in the beginning so I want to talk about it a bit more,
In the wild basically all A. graminea are different shades of green, some enter more blueish color but remain traces of green. What all wild graminea have in common are yellow eyelids and rings around the eye ranging from a slightly pale yellow to almost orange.
Now what happens when graminea enter captivity? Their diet changes and with this diet change graminea in captivity get paler and paler until they reach either shades of grey or entirely blue and white. This change usually starts with the yellow around the eyes getting paler before the rest of the body follows.
Why is that? CAROTENOIDS! depending on what you gutload and dust your feeders with graminea can retain bits of yellow/orange and remain green. If the lack of carotenoids goes on for long enough graminea turn grey or blue. Carotenoids are very important for them and they get a high quantity of it through their feeder insects in the wild. If the lack of carotenoids goes on for long enough their health can start to deteriorate. I think the entirely pale blue ones are extremely pretty but they're not supposed to look like that.
The solution is to gutload and dust feeders with a high carotenoid content, many keepers have found that repashy superpig works amazingly for this. Within months blue and grey graminea turn a vibrant green and yellow again.
Thank you for listening to the episode and adding that’s awesome tidbit of information!
@@AnimalsatHomePodcast Of course! It was an amazing episode! Really inspiring and his passion is contagious. 😊
Thank you for an inspiring discussion. For lovers of the natural world, compassion fatigue is hard to overcome. Your channel is uplifting.
Thank you for listening, John. I’m really glad to hear you enjoyed the episode!
It's so nice to see multiple and varying options in one place. I have always believed no one person should be trusted on anything important. Knowledge will reveal more "truths" as we gather information and share it.
I grew up visiting cattle farms of horse people. My father, never more than 2 of these at once, raised 200 rabbits, 10 horses, 2 Goats, 5 cattle, 2 pigs, 2 ponies and 10 lawnmowers. We had apple and berry trees, a few acres of berries, 6 of forest and some marshland all on a hillside flat near a lake damn. We had some kind of garden every year. I always loved the complexity of nature and the resistance of animals (like the garter snake sleeping together all winter). I got to experience, first hand my natural environment and farming environments. I love all animals, but adult house flies and mosquitos. Ethics, biology and physics have been so ignored by our monoculture environment.
Listen to this awesome episode while working on my Australian Water Dragon set ups. I'm taking over a pair that the previous owner attempted to breed without success. Our goal is to breed this pair and help make this species more available here in Canada. It will be a small contribution but it will be our part! Thanks for the information this channel continues to put out there for us. If something I typed doesn't make sense, I blame it on the paint fumes..lol 🤣
Oh, awesome, this is a perfect episode to listen to as you set up that project. I have been following along with your build on your Instagram posts, can't wait to watch it develop! :) It would be great to have more CBB AWD's available in Canada!
@@AnimalsatHomePodcast Thank you, I can't wait to put all the pieces of the build puzzle together and get started on the next phase of the process, working with the dragons!
This was a fantastic episode, definitely a favourite of mine!
Thanks for watching, Harry! I really enjoyed this conversation as well
I've been in love with Abronia since I discovered them through Forrest years ago. I think they are the most beautiful lizards on the planet! This is the only kind of lizard I'm interested in breeding someday, and I live in the perfect climate for it. I would love to be part of this community when I'm ready to take the plunge. What a fantastic group and mission! This is the future of herpetoculture, definitely hyped! Excellent information here, thank you.
Thank you for listening, Aurora! They truly are an incredible species. I hope that one day in the not so distant future you get to work with them! 😁
Phenomenal discussion!
Thank you for listening, Matt!
You guys are wonderful!!👍☺
Thank you for watching, Gisele!
Excellent conversation and cast. Got me wondering if higher elevations would factor in for breeding. Now I'm going to have to find out. :)
Thanks for listening, Marcella 😁
Words don't describe how excited I am to have this episode thank you both
Thanks for listening!!
How awesome! Thank you, Nick and Dillon!
Thank you very much, Suzanne!
I freaking LOVE abronia. So glad someone is talking about them! A. deppi is my favorite species.
Yeah they are a fantastic species!!
Your videos always seen to be relevant to my life 😂 or maybe just makes me think alittle more 🤔
I've been thinking about what my next additions are gunna be and honestly been obsessed with day geckos recently (actually how I found your channel with your day gecko build series) in particular Lygodactylus williamsi and Phelsuma klemmeri, and tbh their situation in the wild interests me and this video has made me think alot more about how our hobby can benefit the animals we love in the wild, the one charity I can think of is SEED Madagascar (which a local zoo works closely with so have been aware of for a while but gunna look more into it) which supports projects in the South side of Madagascar mainly with Lemurs but any support helps all wildlife and know they have done projects with Chameleons and Phelsuma antanosy. Guess it just makes you think more about the bigger picture
😂 great minds think alike! That sounds like an excellent project to sink your teeth into. Even if you donated 5% of projects to SEED that would be incredible
@@AnimalsatHomePodcast Seems that way! 😂 You had a thought about what animal you might want to work with since recording this? (after your move ect ect)
Yea long way off that yet but definitely something I'm gunna read further into and keep in mind
I haven’t decided yet… But I would like to work with a South American snake species I think. That way I could donate some of the profits to the charity that I already support. I’ll spend the next couple of weeks continuing to research and hopefully narrow it down to a few concrete species by then 😁
@@AnimalsatHomePodcast Look forward to seeing what you go for! 😄
I had a wc alligator lizard once and that suckered was mean and the bite was definitely pne to remember lol
😂😂 damn, nothing like learning the hard way!
Hello great video information podcast
Thank you!
Definitely have thought much about this subject
Good to hear that! Thanks for watching, Christina!
Hello I am S.korean.
I have a question about Avronia. Is it okay to breed
graminea 1pair with female taeniata1 in a single Exotera case? If they are adults? Thanks for reconment!
and is it okay 76℉ for breeding them?
Hi There, I would head right to Nick's website and send him an email. Better chance that he will see it there: facebook.com/AbroniaAlliance/ or email: abroniaalliance@yahoo.com
I used to make my kids do the same thing. My daughter wanted every animal in the world. She ended up with a Maltese after wanting a sugar glider, a chinchilla, a squirrel etc…. My son ended up not getting any pets.
I love the idea!
My thought on reptile/herp owners needing to have a external motivation to keep reptile/herp: I think it's good to have conservative motivation to keeping herps, but I also think that can be demotivating/anxiety source due to the weight of that, and that people can keep herps for the pleasure and mental well being and not have that external need. Like thinking of the recent video on ADHD /autism video, should that autistic child (or adult) that found a lot of comfort in holding a snake and decides to get one for the mental well being, should they also need engage in supporting conservatorship when getting a reptile? But on other side, should they be buying a wild caught reptile instead of captive bred? Probably not, but it's likely should be on more experienced people in hobby ensuring that captive bred is option there (which that's is what's it's becoming). Goes to a common thing in environmentalism -- should the government, business, or consumer be the one implementing changes to help improve the world. Like with example outside of herp -- should a (low income consumer) consumer stop shopping at exploitative businesses, or should government increase regulation to make the business less explotative? All three are needed ...tho it goes back to voters who elect the government consist of the consumers or business owners in some cases, but there's also so much corruption in government and rich people money influencing elections, so much of environmental damage and issues goes down to rich people and corruption with the individual consumer having so little power, but that doesn't mean no power. It's overwhelming...
Like, the world needs to be better, we're destroying it in so many ways, and we need to change that, but each individual hobby doesn't need to do that for each individual, even if it benefits the world to do that. But we do need to do better.
Ohhmmagaawd those Arbonias are really beautiful! If they were allowed, I would’ve soaked up every little bit of info on them. Sadly, we are not allowed to have these where I live. Norway has one of the strictest rules in Europe (only beaten by Iceland) regarding which species of reptiles we are allowed to keep… it was banned (except from certain tortoise or turtles people with severe allergies of furry or feathery friends were allowed to keep with documentation from a doctor) until 2017.
The list of legal reptiles are sad..
Morelia viridis
Python regius
Morelia spilota
Corallus hortulanus
Boa constrictor
Epicrates cenchria
Lampropeltis getula
Pantherophis guttatus
Lampropeltis triangulum
Correlophus ciliatus
Eublepharis macularius
Phelsuma madagascariensis
Uromastyx ocellata
Pogona vitticeps
Varanus acanthurus
Lacerta lepida (Timon lepidus)
Testudo hermanni
Chelonoidis carbonarius
(Geochelone carbonaria)
Chinemys reevesi (Mauremys reevesi)
Really love your podcast and as always an informative episode 😊
Glad you are enjoying the podcast! Thank you for listening! wow, that is a very sad list :( I guess, at least they aren't banned completely!
@@AnimalsatHomePodcast no, luckily. Hopefully the government and fhd will allow more species in the future 🤞🏻
Lets get an update!!
Good idea!
Man I would be so much more advanced with my keeping if i had at least one parent that supported my love as a child.
(Gonna comment random thing as I watch lol)
I know his feeling on this. Asian water dragons have care guides that are about 10 years old. Most are missing information, and even on RUclips the videos lack information a new keeper will need. I've watched about 200 videos on building the enclosure and I've yet to see a single one that matches all their needs.
If you can find anyone that knows about these guys in the wild or is an actual expert on them that would be great.
That’s a really good idea for an episode, I’ll write that down on my list and see what I can do!
@@AnimalsatHomePodcast That would be awesome! There so much misinformation about them and their habits online. Even their inability to see or understand transparent materials makes people think they just need a bigger enclosure when in truth they simply cannot see the glass. Water bowls are also useless as they can't see the water in it (thus my vivarium having a running river and waterfalls to disturb the waters surface).
I'm planning to use contra-vision on mu vivarium and see if that works, but from what I can tell people have just accepted they'll bust their faces on the glass....
When i was a kid around 10 years old i for many months kept giving my mom different 5 page essays on why I’m responsible enough for a ball python.😂 took months but it worked
😂😂 That is amazing!
Personal, fascination, interest, competitiveness! Not for conservation. The idea of conservation came about as keeping reptiles became more common.
How is this uk member in alliance with your goals but is holding back the “recipe.” This guy totally contradicted himself within 60 seconds. Am I being critical or is there gait keeping among this “alliance?”
Not sure what you mean? Can you time stamp the section of the conversation you are referring to? It has been a long time since I had this conversation!
@@AnimalsatHomePodcast after listening to all he explains of the alliance and it’s goals then going into the emphasis on true conservation , at 1hr you ask a question about collaborating with the uk. At 1:03:00 mark he contradicts all that he explained of the alliance foundation. Unless I’m harping….lol. I’m sorry. I have no idea how to time stamp.
@@AnimalsatHomePodcast oooh…I did it!
Well, it wasn’t Nick (the interviewee) who is withholding information, it was the European keeper who they brought into the alliance. So Nick didn’t contradict himself at all. He’s just simply mentioning that an incredible keeper (who is now a member of the alliance) has yet to share all of his breeding information publicly… Which is a very understandable position. Abronia are very rare and very expensive, they are a very alluring species to work with, especially if you are just in it for the money.
@@AnimalsatHomePodcastI understand it as you have explained it. Besides that it seems the uk member is not sharing his success with the alliance. Which would contradict one of the main goals of the alliance. Maybe I’m missing something. But no worries. Thanks for your input. And thank you for your content. Best wishes from mn, USA.
Yes yes yes!!!!!
Uh... Forrest passed away, didn't he?
Yes he did 😔