I like it that he says how much he values the opinion of his Egyptian stonemason friend, who confirms the exclusive use of hand tools during Ancient Egypt's time, and then immediately turns around and says "yeah, BUT...." What a walnut.
The whole argument is ridiculous "they had the tech to make shiny stone why isn't everything shiny", BOI, we have tech to have glitter finish on everything doesn't mean I want same amounts of shininess on my family photo album as on a bike reflector.
I used to follow UnchartedX - I was fascinated by the idea of an earlier advanced civilisation worshipped by more recent ones which treasured their artefacts. I wanted to believe. When World of Antiquity and other factual archaeological channels started to appear and thankfully set the record straight, I could no longer ignore the evidence - I am grateful for mature contribution to people’s perception of Archeology and for rescuing so many people’s mental balance… At times, I must admit that I miss the poetic idea of the lost advanced civilisation spanning across the globe as much as I miss believing in Father Christmas.
@ I hear you Dave but I’m personally more inclined in trusting the work of scientists rather than sensationalists. I grant you that Flint may have made a blunder, which he since rectified and apologised for, and that doesn’t weaken his life work at all. Scientists get it wrong too from time to time as any other human being does - it’s good that someone noticed and let him know. About the theory of the lost anomalously-advanced civilisation which Hancock and others keep on propping up, the current evidence seems quite shaky and not that credible. But I hear you bud.
I think I've seen that relief @10:10 hundreds of times in different video's. But it wasn't until I watched this just now that I realized the details of what was actually on it. Holy crap! That's like the ancient Egyptian equivalent of a Home Depot advert. There's even a guy using a stone saw on it! Fantastic work Dr. Miano. I'd love to see you get on a big podcast and talk History sometime. Not enough rational voices in this sea of woo.
Really disrespectful to the achievements of ancient people and cultures when the modern day people who don’t understand what they’re talking about claim the ancients couldn’t have made them. I think they’re intimidated by the thought of ancient people being smarter than they are.
@@PlatinumAltaria Technically, at least according to the OMB, the racial category of white encompasses people whose ancestry originate in Europe and MENA, so including Copts like myself. There is no racial category known as “people of color”.
@@dr.banoub9233 Yeah yeah, Egyptians were white, Egyptians were black... the pointless debate about a made up classification invented thousands of years after the events being discussed.
As a sculptor I would like to say that I have found it difficult to use power tools to make my projects come to life. The more beautiful and precise a work is just reflects how much time is spent with my hand tools.
@@abiliomoreiradasilva7329 I mean people have done it and did do it for years. Fun fact stone has weak points you can take advantage of and brown people aren’t to stupid to know how to craft their own monuments
The funny part is that if you asked me, I would have said the writing is more likely to be made by "advanced" tools. Polishing stone is as simple as rubbing two rocks together, but precision-etched marks like that look like something a CNC laser or end mill made. (Of course, I'm sure the Egyptians had some clever tricks to do it with great skill and patience instead.)
@@nnelg8139 try to imagine a large rough block of granite (one of the harder materials to work on) , a set of bronze and copper tools, and a team of laborers. The block also needs to be polished inside including near perfectly polished corners.. Then try using these tools - or rubbing two rocks together - to achieve near perfect smoothness and symmetry, inside and out...
@realitytheorist4205 I can imagine it easily. The eye of a skilled mason who's worked with stone their whole life can tell if it's even far better than any modern human's eye can, and the rest is a matter of extreme patience. Now riddle me this: why would they *want* to polish the inside of the text, when a rough finish enhances the contrast and therefore the readibility? Why spend effort to actively make the piece worse?
@@realitytheorist4205 what perfect smoothness and symmetry? Have you SEEN those sarcophagi they made out of granite? They are uneven, have tons of mistakes, and many clearly made rushed because they had to fit the guy in there WHEN HE DIED so couldn't wait to even out the wonky sides. Oh the pyramids blocks are so "polished to perfection" on INSIDE that you can fit a hand between them. Or a camera. Which people did. Outside they mortared the gaps at first then gave up. Statues are much smaller so easier to polish but like, you're literally just rubbing a rock... You can do it with a piece of another rock. or SAND! Egyptians had plenty of sand, believe it or not.
It's a heck of a lot easier to smooth a large, rounded surface than the details of carved lettering. Even if the lettering was made by the very same people as the structures, it could be expected that the surface of the structure could be made much more smooth and fine than the lettering.
@@josemanueleizaguirre6805 If there was a technique and tools to finely polish internal corners, should we not see it also used on the external descriptions?
@@realitytheorist4205 What do you mean by the external descriptions? The hieroglyphs on exterior stones? I'm not sure what you mean exactly. In any case, if not polishing the carvings it's a stylistic choice then I think it doesn't tell us anything about whether they were capable of polishing them or not. I don't think we can assume they would use the same technique for different things even if they did have the tools for that. Even if they couldn't finely polish the symbols I imagine they could use rifflers or a finer chiseling for a good enough flat finish, but they don't seem to have bothered much with that anyway.
@SonoMonoPhono 🤣🤣 Never said you can't consider any hypothesis you want to consider. All I said is that there's no particular reason for adopting it. And you've got to be kidding that those statues "influenced everything since." That false assumption is sourced just from your imagination. Much better statues than anything Egypt ever did were inspired by nature. Not by Egypt.
A lot of these guys seem to have their own professional descriptors. Somebody needs to work out an English language translation. Like, when they say 'archaeologist', we would say 'tour guide'. 'Master mason' means 'brick layer'. 'Engineer' means 'process worker'. That sort of thing. 😉
@Deipnosophist_the_Gastronomer In the United States we do have a series of titles that if you use these titles illegally you can be prosecuted for it such as MD - Medical Doctor, PE - Professional Engineer, etc. This may not be true for other countries though. One person who I'm pretty sure is not a Professional Engineer is Christopher Dunn.
Carving a thin, shallow line on hard, polished granite with a chisel is really really hard. You’re actually seeing great work. They just didn’t smooth it out with files, for whatever reason.
The 'poorly' done engraving on the sarcophagus is obvious the 'outline' for the engravers. It isn't finished yet. Years ago, when I stood next to that sarcophagus, my first thought was: "Not finished yet." And it never did get finished.
No work of art is ever finished, only abandoned. But in this case, the engraving is indeed finished. You are applying your modern standards inappropriately.
This would be a reasonable idea if there were finished examples of the sarcophagi, given the fact that our illustrious academic here isn't showing finished examples as a counterpoint to Ben's assertion that two different civilizations affected these objects, it's a pretty safe assumption that "finished" sarcophagi don't exist.
@@Chris.Davies I have to agree. In fact it is the ruler who decides what is finished, but there are clearly examples where the art was only traced out and they had to bury the king before it was completed. They didn't seem to have this figured out. People died too soon.
@@PerKraulis why would they be polished in the first place ? theres numerous reason to polish or not to polish which we dont have access to in order to say they should have been polished. Seems like contrast was desired to me, to make things more visible.
If you miror polish the stone and mirror polish the text. it´s kind of hard to see anything. Look at a modern grave stone. I almost all stones are mirror polished. but how many can you find where the text are mirror polished. it would be posible to do. but it would be kind of hard to read the text.
Does this guy want all egyptian art to look the same? He does not take skill of the individual artist, money involved, time invested, state of the economy and state, date of production etc into consideration at all why something specific might not look as good
Sames, mate, sames. And the way he clips his Ts and Ds, especially the Ts. It's an effing annoying cadence. As an Australian like I think he is, no one talks like this. My gut-feeling is he is straining to emmulate intelligence and cover tones which belies his lies.
When you fill out your mother's birthday card, the quality of your writing doesn't equal the artistic quality of the card's imagery. That doesn't prove that the card makers was from a more ancient and superior culture than the person who purchased it and scribbled "Happy Birthday Mom" in his lap outside of her house 5 minutes before the party.
IOW, the person who made the inscription probably wasn't the same person who made the statue. So, the quality probably won't be identical, unless you have an awesome scribe who can match styles.
@@GizzyDillespee true, BTW, masons and guys who put calligaphy on stones wouldn't be the same people generally. Hell, the gangs that carved big blocks on quarry and ones shaping them at construction site wouldn't even be the same.
He doesn't believe it. He makes his money by intentionally taking advantage of the public's ignorance regarding these topics and then selling them fake mysterie$. He's what Carl Sagan refereed to as a "mystery monger."
When you're dead, you don't know you are dead, and you don't feel the pain of being dead. But those around you feel pain. When you're stupid, it's the same way.
What we don't understand today is that the "ancients" worked together, almost with one mind, because of their shared belief system, just as Mediaeval people did on cathedrals. We can't conceive of thousands of people working toward one goal. The other element is time. Sometimes these projects continued over several lifeimes!
This guy thinks that ‘smooth’ is always, universally superior and showing signs of being handmade is always inferior. An artisan food fair would blow his mind!
They had different skill levels of ability as you say, and the video clearly show, that, among scribe carvers, there were also different abilities or levels of craftsmanship in different eras as you would expect. This is THOUSANDS of years here. So, similarly, isn't there a difference in Roman, Middle ages, Renaissance, and Enlightenment eras quality of work in a shorter timescale?
@SonoMonoPhonoand as every school child knows amateurish =poorly done and amateur = wrong. I joke, but I'm truth amateur- expert is not the spectrum. Amateur- professional is. Unskilled/unkowledable - expert is a different spectrum.
having carved leaving script un-polished makes it easier to read. Carvin on to polished serface is annoyingh (at best) due to lack of friction, so surfaces were likley done last allowing for mistakes & flaws to be minimised
That Ben is really showing his ignorance....willful ignorance. He's really disrespectful to those Bronze/Iron age artisans. Thanks for putting him straight. Love your channel.
Ben is neither ignorant nor stupid, and I don’t believe he believes any of this. He is just happy to keep making money on the backs of those who are - so why do ‘we’ publicise him?
@@kvppvk Sadly - because sometimes things can seem so stupid people have to exclaim in disbelief; which then feeds the algorithm; which then brings in those with a will to believe and the whole thing keeps revolving. The current trend to label everything scientific and academic as charlatans only trying to snatch funding and 'hiding proof' or only pushing big business agendas doesn't help much either. For those who wish to believe, I find often in videos a heaping helping of 'I don't understand how. . .xyz'. And they don't seem to be happy with that so they accept anything that gives them a simple answer. Be that Aliens, Gods or Ancient Superior peoples of undisclosed tech levels who are world wide but not world impacting. . . No ruins, no mines, no cave paintings, no spoons or trash piles, just amazing artefacts in the style of the local populace.
Given lost civilization clown logic, I'm curious why they're not all over the earliest medieval European churches, blathering on about how amazeballs the still standing structures are, and how crappy the art is, and obviously that means the buildings were the work of a superior lost civilization, and the comical looking artwork being the 'best' the derpy medieval European peoples could do, means it is impossible they could have designed and built their earliest churches. Have you _seen_ the pictures of Edward the Confessor? Oh my god, they're really crap. QED That is the level of stupid those guys are operating at with their surface level, context free evaluations of what they're talking about.
I mean... You do have tartaria belivers, who say that pretty much all old european arhitecture is actually from a super advanced civilization that powered their tools by harvesting electricity from ether.
As I periodically remind people LAHT obsesses over ancient Egypt et al = because that is where the bulk of the fiction genre lay - hence the most easily "relatable" narratives which can be monetized upon. How many movies and television shows to say nothing of print science fiction media have we see in the past 70 years about ancient Egypt...... = tons. So Egypt as is applicable here represents a subject many are familiar with - unlike your Medieval structures - making for fantastical narratives which can readily be monetized upon. Moral: LAHT is very much = a business - a _"turnkey"_ one as the saying goes. Hollywood and the science fiction genre already did the heavy lifting in creating the customer base and now the LAHT grifters swooped in to monetize based upon all that _"free publicity."_ LAHT narratives intentionally dovetail into entertainment genre ones because of this.
They are just talking about technology, not intelligence. Do you think our technological culture is intelligent in comparison to others and should last as long a Egypt did? Good point though, for there to be zero evidence of an ancient civilization pre-Egyptian or Mesopotamian.
I rather find the commentary being challenged by our host not only disrespectful, but believable racist. "These ancient brown people couldn't do this, so it must have been some ancient civilization/aliens HAD to do it!" There are literally dozens of reasons that the writing may look less polished (pun intended) than the rest of the object.. some individual, and some even socio/political! Thanks to the presenter for calling BS on the other guy's... BS.
These are greatly appreciated remarks. Thank you. This is why, while I watch some of the wildly imaginative videos on RUclips, I never subscribe. Good job Dude. Slava 💙💛!!!
Ben the person talking in the very first clip is confusing the word technology with the word craftsmanship in my opinion. Good job getting me excited right in the beginning.
People are assuming that the stone works and the engraved writing is done by the same person. I would be surprised if the ones who created say the statue were literate and it was more likely a second group scribes were responsible for the writing on them.
That would not Suprise me at all that was pretty much the norm around the entire world at some point or another. I would also say that a lot of hieroglyphics were spells and religious texts and would probably have needed to be done by a priest or someone qualified with in their religion to do so.
I finally got to watching Romulus and this gave me an epiphany: how the hell would aliens build pyramids with their claws? Nah, I get using acid from their veins to cut stones and using tails to move them, but I really find it hard to imagine xenomorphs making the delicate carvings on the entire funerary complex.
@@ThatBoomerDude56 so if aliens used the acid from their veins to carve off big blocks AND THEN Egyptians carved symbols with a chisel, HOW DID EGYPTIANS SURVIVE?! We all know the only one left at the end of any aliens movie is one final girl... Let's say it was Nitocris... did she cryo-freeze herself to later re-emerge as Cleopatra? What happened to Ian Holm then, there must be an android covered in white goo of some form, can't have an alien without one.
Finally found that video of the lady making the stone jars with stone tools, why are those videos not more highlighted???? each of those stone jar videos only have 5k views and i have only ever seen that work mentioned on this channel
I worked at a factory that made cornices but from moulds, allways had so much respect for the ancient artists/builders that made cornices by hand just from their expertise in stone masonry, each and every one a work of art. ps. technology never goes back, so that technology would not have been lost, like today's technology just improved upon.
When conspiracies tell me they weren't Egyptians that did this, I asked them a simple question; "When did the people living in Egypt become Egyptians?". If they were living in Egypt are they not Egyptians?
There is a bit of irony in that today we wonder how the ancients did anything, and create fantasies to fill that wonder. And the ancients creating fantasies for how their ancients did anything, and creating the hieroglyphs to explain their wonder. ^And me creating this fantasy^
"We found a carving that looks a bit like a power tool, but we haven't found any evidence of the infrastructure neccessary to run power tools. That's absolute proof that they had power tools" Walloper.
Hello, Dr. Miano, I remember you asked if you should remove the border on your thumbnails and this seems to be your first experiment with removing them. From my perspective, I don’t usually watch highlights as I’ve seen the main videos themselves, however I clicked this thinking it’s a new video but instant click off might hurt it more than not clicking in the first place (you would know more than me) I think a middle ground is to have the color coding continue but only as a wordless slim border so regular viewers know what the videos category with minimal effect on new viewers, I enjoy your videos always and hope your channel continues to grow
Another great video. Thanks heaps! I love your channel. Could you please do a video on the Red Sea Scrolls? I find them very interesting and there isnt very much information about them on youtube. If this really is the oldest surviving written document you would think it would be all over youtube(especially since its meant to have information to the building of the great pyramid) Thanks
Annoying me in their uneducated concluding is these people can’t and won’t attempt read the accompanying text and symbols. Much like trying to construct together a flat pack kitchen module and refusing to want read the instructions. No hope
I’m only 1:09 seconds in and I’m already annoyed… This guy is calling the writing “rough work” simply because it lacks what he perceives as polish. It makes me wonder how much experience he has with designing monumental art works. The contrast between textures, even the contrast between degrees of fineness, within the same work is a fundamental technique for highlighting detail in monochrome objects like polished stone.
While I’ll never deny that these kinds of theories and claims are ridiculous, I often question if directly attacking their claims won’t risk making them double down. Then I see these people blatantly attacking anyone who disagrees with them or provide evidence contrary to their claims, and I realize these clowns have only themselves to blame for being ridiculed.
@3:11 _"Why couldn't they manage to draw a straight line on the box"_ - There are plenty of straight lines on that box. He's just focusing on the ones that aren't. So clearly they were able to carve straight lines (as ridiculous as it is to even have to say that). Interestingly, Anyextee just put up some pics from the new Grand Egyptian Museum and there is a sarcophagus with lightly "scratched" hieroglyphs, just like the Serapeum example. But also on the same box you can see deeper carvings of some of the "scratched" hieroglyphs. So it's pretty obvious that the Serapeum example shows an initial draft that wasn't completed.
The builders completed 20 plus boxes hauled them across Africa but ran out of time for the chicken scratch shit hieroglyphs that I could do in 10 hours. Incredible theory Leeside. I saw another one in here...the chicken scratch reflects light better... The fuck up is intentional! It is in fact advanced light reflecting etching technology. Love this channel and the comments. Always a laugh.
@@Kitties-of-Doom _"The builders completed 20 plus boxes hauled them across Africa but ran out of time for the chicken scratch shit hieroglyphs that I could do in 10 hours. Incredible theory Leeside. "_ I'm not sure if you skipped geography class, Kitties, but Africa is much larger than 500 miles. _"I saw another one in here...the chicken scratch reflects light better... The fuck up is intentional! It is in fact advanced light reflecting etching technology. Love this channel and the comments. Always a laugh."_ I'm not sure what point you're making here. Can you re-phrase it?
@@Leeside999 See how Miano has the word fantasists in the title? That's talking about you guys. You re constantly making up your facts about these monuments.
To my great shame, I passionately believed in and promoted this ridiculous garbage for years. People, please take your blinders off and really look at common sense. Watch David's videos. It is tough, yes, perhaps it shatters your world view. But delusion always hurts you more in the long run.
Making straight lines and 90 degree corners isn't even hard. Only this week I had to use frosting spray on my windows, I didn't want to cover the entire window so I marked out the area I wanted with tape. I used no tools but easily managed to make a perfect rectangle using my eyeballs and gravity...
Egyptians also notably used levels. As in, tool called a level, many were found. The simplest form is a rock on a string, plumb bob. Which always falls vertically down. Because gravitation. And if you rotate the object on its side once, you get perfect 90 degree angle. A plumb on a string in the middle of A-shaped ruler is a leveling tool. It's actually way simpler to do than making tape during the time neither paper, plastic nor rubber were a thing.
Ah yes, it's not like people had been polishing stones for millennia before these egyptian artifacts or anything. There is even a previous period named after polished stone 😅
People love to talk about the hardness of the material like they wouldn't be able to carve the material they did with the same material they're carving.. they love to mention things like the hardness of diamonds and the Rockwell scale. The harder something is, the more brittle it is.. You can drop something like a diamond on the ground and it'll shatter.
Anyone can carve diamonds, as long as they have something as hard as a diamond, *like a diamond*... Sure, the precision is great, but it's definitely far from perfect. As far as I know, of all the vases from the pyramid of Djoser, literally none of them are perfectly concentric. Don't get me wrong, they're beautiful artifacts nonetheless. But they're hardly something that takes some fucking advanced civilization to create. I feel like it's downright criminal how much modern people discredit and discount our ancient ancestors. These People were no dummies, none of us would be having this conversation if they were.
Once upon a time I commissioned a jeweler to create a diamond ring setting for me. I picked out the diamonds and the setting I wanted. While discussing this the jeweler related an anecdote. When studying to be a jeweler - they went to school for that much as people do for a number of things - their instructor was once a jeweler as they. They had been commissioned to cut a sizeable uncut diamond. For weeks they studied it trying to perceive its' flaws and weaknesses. Finally upon making their cuts = it shattered....... - and the person had a nervous breakdown and abandoned working stones to instead teach others about how to do so. Moral: as you alluded to "hardness" is not the end all here as there are other variables involved as noted by others. Some stone can be worked using alloyed tools - while other stone can be worked using similarly "hard" stone + employing methods to weaken the stone first such as _"firesetting."_ What matters in all cases like our jeweler = is understanding the nature of what you work........ The ancient Egyptians as an example here understood the nature of the stone they worked. There are geology maps from ancient Egypt to show whereby they sought out deposits of various ores and minerals for exploitation. They were not simply hammering away willy-nilly = they knew what they were doing and sought to do it in a manner consistent with that. Enjoy your day.
My follow-up question would be: the hieroglyphics on the sarcophagus at the Serapeum being shown were from a much later period in Egyptian history...IIRC the late Greek or early Roman conquest period. So...why were the hieroglyphs so bad then, since the content creator acknowledged that later Egyptians could and did make very fine quality carvings and straight lines in that later period? To me, his whole argument relies on the ignorance of the audience, who wouldn't know the difference between early Egyptian periods and later periods. His argument is not particularly compelling even of the early Egyptian periods, but we aren't even talking about that in this case...we are talking about a much later period in history. Heck, the Serapeum wasn't built until something like 1400-1300 BC, so we aren't even in the old or middle kingdom periods.
Argument that later carvings would always need to be better is kinda ridiculous, when we have Roman roads still standing and modern ones made with much better tech needing to be fixed. More modern technology and know how doesn't always equal better quality simply because of logistics, a more recent example is Nokia almost running out of business while exploding Samsung phones are still the most sold brand. Does that mean that late 1990s Finland had better electronic tech than modern day South Korea? No. Sometimes it's more profitable to make something cheaper.
@@KasumiRINA That's not really my argument, so I agree with you to a degree. Modern doesn't necessarily mean better. To the point of this video though, the Egyptians were very much able to carve and sculpt rock perfectly well in all periods of their history, and no advanced technology was needed. The UnchartedX guy is either ignorant himself or playing on the ignorance of his audience, since what he's showing there isn't even consistent, as it comes from a much later period of Egyptian history where they DID have metal tools...iron in fact if my memory serves when that sarcophagus was made and those hieroglyphics (which were equally obviously sketches for the carvers that never were completed) where carved.
He’s impressed with the “ancient builders’” grasp of stonework, a fundamental skillset shared by most large-scale civilizations throughout time. But he’s unimpressed with the Egyptians’ grasp of writing, a rare and advanced development that very few societies achieve without outside influence-Egypt being one of the few that managed that achievement. First, he has his priorities wrong. Second, the ancients were evidently advanced enough to have lasers and electricity, but never got around to, y’know, writing.
It's not that hard to make a straight line with hand tools. It's not even like these alternative history folks can't fathom great works of art done with hand tools, they can't even fathom the most basic techniques.
The Serapeum, Osirion, Pyramids all have two things in Common. Resonance and NO Glyphs. Only one box is scribed and I believe it was done much later. Resonance was really really Important to who ever built them for what ever reason, and adding Gylphs would screw up the Resonance. I also don't believe they are a sarcophagus, because of the resonance thing and the size. I'd even bet if they could be aged, they would be way way way before the Egyptians ever rocked up and started digging holes everywhere.
Dear sir I make and restore tools I do use power tools but the finework is still done with file and sandpaper/ I find with restoring perfection is not needed I rather keep the history
Hello. I have seen something on TV while back where the restoration expert was explaining how parts of carving was on purpose left course for the purpose of paint adhesion, could that be the case? Also if the writing what's polished wouldn't it be harder to read?( See)
Have you ever wondered what aliens or advanced civilization made UnchartedX's videos? I have physically seen Ben's drawings in crayon dating back to what I'll call the The Elementary period, or the Immediate Post-Diaper Age. There is no possible way that the same person who made those drawings also made hours long videos inventing scientific "facts." Why aren't more people asking this important question? Who is making these videos that this crayon using, and possibly crayon eating, creator is claiming as his own? Is it Aliens from Uranus? Is it Atlanteans from Cincinnati? What is obvious is that no one using half eaten crayons is able to make hours long videos so full of absolute inaccuracies, but will we ever know who is responsible?
Walk thru a large cemetery and you can find large elaborate gravestones with high quality engraving. You can also find small roughly done headstones that look like the deceased's name was scratched on it with a nail. In the middle ages you had some tapestries and paintings that looked like 3rd grade art class projects decorating the interiors of magnificent stone structures. Why some people think that variation in quality within the same time frame is some sort of silver bullet proof of the crap pushed by uncharted and others is a real head scratcher.
So he is saying that because the inscriptions aren’t polished, they weren’t made by the same sculptor? Does he realize that if you polish the inscription, they lose the clear edge that makes it readable? The inscriptions lose their ability to convey a message if they are smoothed out. I have trouble telling if these people are pulling our leg or if they are genuinely stupid. This one takes the cake, because the words would be unintelligible without the clear lines and crisp cuts that make it able to be read. The modern tools are based on replication of what primitive tools could do. Technology gets more advanced over time, not less advanced. The corbeled ceiling in the Great Pyramid led to the Gothic arch through several intermediate steps that we can actually still see in places. If there was a more advanced civilization farther back in time, there would be evidence of it in technology handed down from it or ruins left by it. He is trying to say that the ruins left by a previous culture are being attributed to the Egyptians when there is not any other record of an earlier culture existing. If the statues are from an earlier culture, where are the buildings from that culture? Where are the tools from that earlier culture? This has got to be some sort of gag. No one can be this utterly stupid.
Ironically, there are many cases in history where there WAS a more advanced (at least in stone masonry) civilization that wasn't matched for the ones that followed for some time. Like Greece or Rome. Or some of the pre-Inca Andean civilizations. None of those cases are mysterious, I mean, nobody gets surprised that a Roman aqueduct is more advanced than whatever the vandals and goths made during what was previously known as dark ages. Why they keep trying to claim Egypt has mysterious whatever instead of admitting the cyclic nature of civilization, as dynasties fell and empires collapsed and then were reunited or conquered, which perfectly explains why, say, they suddenly stopped making pyramids, for example. For similar reasons Greeks stopped building Acropolises. Things change with time, some tech becomes obsolete, making no point to, say, maintain Greek fire recipe in gunpowder age.
While there are many possible explanations and I don't want to speak for the good Doctor, I do know that the RUclips algorithm demands regular updates and working on big videos takes time, so it makes sense to crop out an interesting portion of an older video to feed the algorithm in the mean time.
We know that many of the carvings were painted. Paint doesn't like to stick to smooth surfaces, and if the carvings were polished there would be no contrast and make them very hard to read. It would also take so much more time to go in with the finer tools to polish all the nooks and crannies. If the obelisks and such were truly made by a lost civilization with even modern technology they would be laser-perfect, but they're just eyeball-perfect; they're nice and there are so many work-hours in them but they are clearly hand made.
Yes. Also things like obelisks do not simply "pop up" in Egyptian culture. They did not begin to be seen until after the Egyptian civilization had established itself and its' beliefs had changed - much as cultures today continue to change in what they believe. That is consistent with their also changing technological skill. You see a lot of say sandstone usage starting early in the New Kingdom period - when you see a lot of obelisks as well. Obviously the sandstone did not simply "appear" = hence after a time they developed the capacity to effectively work it leading to it becoming popular and sought out. If they therefore "found" obelisks or whatever we should see them appear early in dynastic Egypt rather than later. Styles and beliefs go hand in hand with available technology as we tend to express ourselves via our ability to manipulate our environment. When you begin to see obelisks and various stone structures coincides with the advancement of capacity to create these things.
@@varyolla435 You have good points but remember that the ability to make something doesn't mean it will be made. We could today make a pyramid even grander than Khufu's but we don't because we don't want to.
@@SAOS451316 Our beliefs and economic model have changed and hence that is why we do not build pyramids as the Egyptians did. As the Pyramid Text show the Egyptians believed pyramids served to help keep Egypt safe and prosperous per their religious beliefs in Egypt's _"cycle of renewal."_ They converted the spirit of the dead Pharaoh into a God who then helped to keep Egypt going.
I'm afraid to say - in this context, Ben makes me embarrassed to admit that I'm Australian. Nice work, mate! English really needs a word like the German "Fremdscham."
No need to be embarrassed to be an Aussie. Nutcases are everywhere. (We've even got a few of them here in America. 😐😳🥺😦) What I can't fathom, though, is I've seen an Aussie and a Kiwi who claim to think the Earth is flat. I mean, just take a look at the stars in the sky. How are they circling around a point to the South if the Earth is flat? Sometimes I think most people like that are just trolls who do it for clicks & cash.
Ancient Egyptians must have had a system of crafting levels not dissimilar to Europe. They likely had apprentices, journeymen and masters. Maybe other levels in between. The beginners had to get experience somehow. Their crafted items were probably the most "crude" and sold for the least money. On up to masters - THE most skilled and demanding the most money. I don't see where this is so hard to understand!
Finish school Ben. His resume is often touted in his content. Let's compare 'polish'. Took the online course at James Cook University for IT. It is preparatory for higher learning. It is not BSc; it is a BIT honored by a diploma not a degree. Worked in the offices of the CTO at a major company. All IT support works under a CTO. He is a technologist which is a generalist in the field. Cable runner and workstation setup are the tenure. The 'chisel marks' are looking rough on his claim of being a master of none but good at everything else. Consider the KNOT diagram, those who Know, those that do Not know, those that Ought to know and those that Think they know. Dunning-Kruger has checked off all three opposed to what is Known. Techno-splaining is used to hide lack of knowledge and motivation in the pursuit of understanding. As a specialist having assessed skill such embellishment is the first thing noticed. I dig, no pun intended, the entertainment of such a notion but that's all. How many NASA employees will go see the next Star Trek movie? Ben is fake.
@@Leeside999 One key observation is how many experts one needs to support a claim. It is a clear indication that the claim cannot be supported individually, one must look to others for accreditation because they lack it. He is spoofing his experts as well; they just don't know it. The conversation one doesn't get to hear is this, if a machine were to produce a vase wouldn't that require skill? Of course, someone has to develop it, craft it, program it and make corrections of which involve many different skillsets of which have skillsets of their own. Then the conversation picks back up with the following question. Isn't that evidence of high technology? Well yes. Thank you, experts, you guys know more about this than they do. And in their mind, they are being referred to as experts in their field not Egyptology. It the worst form of manipulation because it involves a critical mind producing a message abstract of what they know.
If you have the ability to work stone than seeing different examples reflecting different aesthetic qualities does not denote different technologies or cultures = merely relative skill levels and the amount of time and resources devoted to the project. Moral: Michelangelo created both the Tondo Pitti and the Pieta. The former is a so-so work while the latter is a visual masterpiece. They are "different" as far as aesthetics because = they were created for different reasons and hence differing amounts of time and work went into them. As the video shows not everything is done with metallic chisels. Artisans have used as an example polishing stones for millennia - still do in some cases though today with hand tools like dremels many will "cheat". If you draw a design on stone can you not then using a pointed Flint tool carefully chip and rub the design into the stone. Like coloring in a coloring book with crayons and trying to keep within the lines you rub back and forth slowly abrading the stone until you have your design etched in it. People see what they want to see = especially LAHT who only shows you what they want you to see as the video alludes to....... Enjoy your day.
I dont really understand this argument .. the technique and skills required to smooth and polish and quite different than lettering. I dont see how they are related, or why it would be expected that the letters would be polished?
Funny how they say its precision but never subject these "precise" surfaces to microscopic analysis. I mean, thats how they found the rotary tool marks on the Crystal Skulls right?
Okay, so if aliens used the acid from their veins to carve off big blocks AND THEN Egyptians carved symbols with a chisel, HOW DID EGYPTIANS SURVIVE?! We all know the only one left at the end of any aliens movie is one final girl. Let's say it was Nitocris... did she cryo-freeze herself to later re-emerge as Cleopatra? What happened to Ian Holm then, there must be an android covered in white goo of some form, can't have an alien without one.
It’s so rewarding to see the original video appearing, and then seeing an informed response so quickly afterwards.
I like it that he says how much he values the opinion of his Egyptian stonemason friend, who confirms the exclusive use of hand tools during Ancient Egypt's time, and then immediately turns around and says "yeah, BUT...." What a walnut.
His confidence though 😂
leaving the writing rough makes it visible even in low light.
Good call, yeah--it gives more contrast to the writing to have it be a different texture to the object.
The whole argument is ridiculous "they had the tech to make shiny stone why isn't everything shiny", BOI, we have tech to have glitter finish on everything doesn't mean I want same amounts of shininess on my family photo album as on a bike reflector.
ohhh thats why its chicken scratch shit. The high quality reflector chicken scratch!
I used to follow UnchartedX - I was fascinated by the idea of an earlier advanced civilisation worshipped by more recent ones which treasured their artefacts. I wanted to believe. When World of Antiquity and other factual archaeological channels started to appear and thankfully set the record straight, I could no longer ignore the evidence - I am grateful for mature contribution to people’s perception of Archeology and for rescuing so many people’s mental balance… At times, I must admit that I miss the poetic idea of the lost advanced civilisation spanning across the globe as much as I miss believing in Father Christmas.
Rather hurt by the truth than comforted with a (web of) lie(s).
What evidence exactly?
@@paradicsomharcos The current lack of reasonable evidence supporting for a lost advanced civilisation, that is.
@@meadow9 we have lot of evidence, and as i know we had a pathetiv liar archeologist on jre. Bad year for mainstream archeology i guess.
@ I hear you Dave but I’m personally more inclined in trusting the work of scientists rather than sensationalists. I grant you that Flint may have made a blunder, which he since rectified and apologised for, and that doesn’t weaken his life work at all. Scientists get it wrong too from time to time as any other human being does - it’s good that someone noticed and let him know. About the theory of the lost anomalously-advanced civilisation which Hancock and others keep on propping up, the current evidence seems quite shaky and not that credible. But I hear you bud.
I think I've seen that relief @10:10 hundreds of times in different video's. But it wasn't until I watched this just now that I realized the details of what was actually on it. Holy crap! That's like the ancient Egyptian equivalent of a Home Depot advert. There's even a guy using a stone saw on it!
Fantastic work Dr. Miano. I'd love to see you get on a big podcast and talk History sometime. Not enough rational voices in this sea of woo.
Really disrespectful to the achievements of ancient people and cultures when the modern day people who don’t understand what they’re talking about claim the ancients couldn’t have made them. I think they’re intimidated by the thought of ancient people being smarter than they are.
To be more specific, it's not "ancient people", it's "non-white people". They never seem to have issues with any Roman structures.
@@PlatinumAltaria
Technically, at least according to the OMB, the racial category of white encompasses people whose ancestry originate in Europe and MENA, so including Copts like myself. There is no racial category known as “people of color”.
@@dr.banoub9233 Yeah yeah, Egyptians were white, Egyptians were black... the pointless debate about a made up classification invented thousands of years after the events being discussed.
@@dr.banoub9233Modern copts look nothing like ancient ones.
@@dr.banoub9233It never was, still isn't a homogeneous group. Even their dialects were not always intelligible
As a sculptor I would like to say that I have found it difficult to use power tools to make my projects come to life.
The more beautiful and precise a work is just reflects how much time is spent with my hand tools.
power tools are also diamant tiptool, i would like to see you going in to a quarry, with only bronze tools , and chip away you re 2 to stone😂
@@abiliomoreiradasilva7329 I mean people have done it and did do it for years. Fun fact stone has weak points you can take advantage of and brown people aren’t to stupid to know how to craft their own monuments
@abiliomoreiradasilva7329 I will happily accept your commission for the project.
@@scuzzjumper make it a lil guy.
@@abiliomoreiradasilva7329not all power tools are diamond tipped
The funny part is that if you asked me, I would have said the writing is more likely to be made by "advanced" tools. Polishing stone is as simple as rubbing two rocks together, but precision-etched marks like that look like something a CNC laser or end mill made. (Of course, I'm sure the Egyptians had some clever tricks to do it with great skill and patience instead.)
@@nnelg8139 try to imagine a large rough block of granite (one of the harder materials to work on) , a set of bronze and copper tools, and a team of laborers. The block also needs to be polished inside including near perfectly polished corners.. Then try using these tools - or rubbing two rocks together - to achieve near perfect smoothness and symmetry, inside and out...
@realitytheorist4205 I can imagine it easily. The eye of a skilled mason who's worked with stone their whole life can tell if it's even far better than any modern human's eye can, and the rest is a matter of extreme patience.
Now riddle me this: why would they *want* to polish the inside of the text, when a rough finish enhances the contrast and therefore the readibility? Why spend effort to actively make the piece worse?
@nnelg8139 You could also ask why polish the interiors to perfection , if no one would see them.
@@realitytheorist4205 If nobody can see the interior, how do you know it's polished?
@@realitytheorist4205 what perfect smoothness and symmetry? Have you SEEN those sarcophagi they made out of granite? They are uneven, have tons of mistakes, and many clearly made rushed because they had to fit the guy in there WHEN HE DIED so couldn't wait to even out the wonky sides. Oh the pyramids blocks are so "polished to perfection" on INSIDE that you can fit a hand between them. Or a camera. Which people did. Outside they mortared the gaps at first then gave up. Statues are much smaller so easier to polish but like, you're literally just rubbing a rock... You can do it with a piece of another rock. or SAND! Egyptians had plenty of sand, believe it or not.
It's a heck of a lot easier to smooth a large, rounded surface than the details of carved lettering.
Even if the lettering was made by the very same people as the structures, it could be expected that the surface of the structure could be made much more smooth and fine than the lettering.
Also, in the black stone sculptures at least, the roughness of the engravings could easily be intentional to create contrast and increase readability.
@@josemanueleizaguirre6805 If there was a technique and tools to finely polish internal corners, should we not see it also used on the external descriptions?
@@realitytheorist4205 What do you mean by the external descriptions? The hieroglyphs on exterior stones? I'm not sure what you mean exactly.
In any case, if not polishing the carvings it's a stylistic choice then I think it doesn't tell us anything about whether they were capable of polishing them or not. I don't think we can assume they would use the same technique for different things even if they did have the tools for that.
Even if they couldn't finely polish the symbols I imagine they could use rifflers or a finer chiseling for a good enough flat finish, but they don't seem to have bothered much with that anyway.
@@realitytheorist4205 you seriously claim that polishing a large smooth surface is harder as making a tiny carving of a bird perfect?
@SonoMonoPhono 🤣🤣 Never said you can't consider any hypothesis you want to consider. All I said is that there's no particular reason for adopting it. And you've got to be kidding that those statues "influenced everything since." That false assumption is sourced just from your imagination. Much better statues than anything Egypt ever did were inspired by nature. Not by Egypt.
Thanks!
And thank you!
Skoda make crappy cars. Rolls Royce make really nice cars. Clearly, Rolls Royce are therefore made by Ancient Civilisation.
Skoda makes great cars though :D
This was true in the past. Now they are just rebranded VWs with the same quality standards.
Perhaps not the best makes to choose but the point is valid.
@@rossallan3585 are rolls Royce not that good they are just priced high and then become a luxury item?
Brien Foerster once said Youssef was an acoustic expert because he can hum.
A lot of these guys seem to have their own professional descriptors. Somebody needs to work out an English language translation. Like, when they say 'archaeologist', we would say 'tour guide'. 'Master mason' means 'brick layer'. 'Engineer' means 'process worker'. That sort of thing. 😉
@Deipnosophist_the_Gastronomer
In the United States we do have a series of titles that if you use these titles illegally you can be prosecuted for it such as MD - Medical Doctor, PE - Professional Engineer, etc. This may not be true for other countries though. One person who I'm pretty sure is not a Professional Engineer is Christopher Dunn.
@@catman8965 Dunn learned there was more money in grift then there was as a low skilled engineer.
@@catman8965 We have here too. I am a Chartered Engineer.
Carving a thin, shallow line on hard, polished granite with a chisel is really really hard. You’re actually seeing great work. They just didn’t smooth it out with files, for whatever reason.
I wonder if some of them were painted, and the pigments wore off over time.
@@julietfischer5056 this is a really cool thought
@@dororo101- Analysis of the Sphinx, and of other outdoor carvings, showed the presence of pigments. Seemed logical to me about these other carvings.
@ it’s plausible but you can’t just assume it
@@julietfischer5056Signpainers are still using cords with chalk or carbon as a marker.
The 'poorly' done engraving on the sarcophagus is obvious the 'outline' for the engravers. It isn't finished yet. Years ago, when I stood next to that sarcophagus, my first thought was: "Not finished yet." And it never did get finished.
No work of art is ever finished, only abandoned.
But in this case, the engraving is indeed finished. You are applying your modern standards inappropriately.
This would be a reasonable idea if there were finished examples of the sarcophagi, given the fact that our illustrious academic here isn't showing finished examples as a counterpoint to Ben's assertion that two different civilizations affected these objects, it's a pretty safe assumption that "finished" sarcophagi don't exist.
@@Chris.Davies I have to agree. In fact it is the ruler who decides what is finished, but there are clearly examples where the art was only traced out and they had to bury the king before it was completed. They didn't seem to have this figured out. People died too soon.
Thank you for having the patience to watch and respond to the proliferation of nonsense history
I do like these Highlights videos! They're much easier to share on places like Discord than the full, long videos are!
Were the engravings filled in with color originally? Would perhaps explain why they were not polished.
@@PerKraulis why would they be polished in the first place ? theres numerous reason to polish or not to polish which we dont have access to in order to say they should have been polished. Seems like contrast was desired to me, to make things more visible.
If you miror polish the stone and mirror polish the text. it´s kind of hard to see anything. Look at a modern grave stone. I almost all stones are mirror polished. but how many can you find where the text are mirror polished. it would be posible to do. but it would be kind of hard to read the text.
Does this guy want all egyptian art to look the same? He does not take skill of the individual artist, money involved, time invested, state of the economy and state, date of production etc into consideration at all why something specific might not look as good
The UnchartedX guy sounds like he's pleading for people to believe him. The way he stretches adjectives.... annoys the piss out of me.
yet look at how many people follow him. ignorance is soooo popular.
working on an idea as to WHY
@@LouAlvis I have a few
Annoys the "lonnng, yellllllow" piss out of me too
Sames, mate, sames. And the way he clips his Ts and Ds, especially the Ts. It's an effing annoying cadence. As an Australian like I think he is, no one talks like this. My gut-feeling is he is straining to emmulate intelligence and cover tones which belies his lies.
@@Psy0psAgent a few... what?
When you fill out your mother's birthday card, the quality of your writing doesn't equal the artistic quality of the card's imagery. That doesn't prove that the card makers was from a more ancient and superior culture than the person who purchased it and scribbled "Happy Birthday Mom" in his lap outside of her house 5 minutes before the party.
IOW, the person who made the inscription probably wasn't the same person who made the statue. So, the quality probably won't be identical, unless you have an awesome scribe who can match styles.
@@GizzyDillespee true, BTW, masons and guys who put calligaphy on stones wouldn't be the same people generally. Hell, the gangs that carved big blocks on quarry and ones shaping them at construction site wouldn't even be the same.
@@GizzyDillespee Speak for yourself! My writing is fabulous!
@@luisgoncalves9498 Please. I scribbled it hours before.
Absolutely right.
Never ceases to amaze me how these otherwise normal regular people can have these ridiculously stupid beliefs. Such is humanity though.
I believe that like 'flat Earthers' most of them are just contrarians and don't actually believe their own claims.
He doesn't believe it. He makes his money by intentionally taking advantage of the public's ignorance regarding these topics and then selling them fake mysterie$. He's what Carl Sagan refereed to as a "mystery monger."
Ben is doing nothing more than an advertisement for the tours that he and Yusef charge 7 to $8,000 for
Amen 😀
Every crank out there has a platform. It's called 'the internet'.
Unfortunately there's a market for stupidity..
And it's a growing market, sadly.
I'm in the market... who's selling? Hot commodity in the USA today.
you are the market
@@Kitties-of-Doom Coming from "kitties of doom"... Shut up clown.
First viewer! Straight from South Africa. Honestly love these videos. Super informative.
As an Aussie I am embarrassed by this man
As an Aussie I think we should disown him
When you're dead, you don't know you are dead, and you don't feel the pain of being dead. But those around you feel pain.
When you're stupid, it's the same way.
What we don't understand today is that the "ancients" worked together, almost with one mind, because of their shared belief system, just as Mediaeval people did on cathedrals. We can't conceive of thousands of people working toward one goal. The other element is time. Sometimes these projects continued over several lifeimes!
This guy thinks that ‘smooth’ is always, universally superior and showing signs of being handmade is always inferior.
An artisan food fair would blow his mind!
not as much as when he finds out you can make perfectly smooth (to human sight and touch tolerances) surfaces by hand...
@@bipolarminddroppings also claiming that polish was done by aliens is easily debunked by the fact that poland can't into space in the first place.
I guess it would be odd for the stone scribes to be as good as a stone mason.
They had different skill levels of ability as you say, and the video clearly show, that, among scribe carvers, there were also different abilities or levels of craftsmanship in different eras as you would expect. This is THOUSANDS of years here. So, similarly, isn't there a difference in Roman, Middle ages, Renaissance, and Enlightenment eras quality of work in a shorter timescale?
What's worrying is how many people actually go along with his logic.
I couldn’t imagine being so dumb as to believe my own imagination over experts in a given field.
I find it hard to believe that this comment was made by the same society that built the international space station
@SonoMonoPhonoand as every school child knows amateurish =poorly done and amateur = wrong.
I joke, but I'm truth amateur- expert is not the spectrum. Amateur- professional is.
Unskilled/unkowledable - expert is a different spectrum.
having carved leaving script un-polished makes it easier to read. Carvin on to polished serface is annoyingh (at best) due to lack of friction, so surfaces were likley done last allowing for mistakes & flaws to be minimised
That Ben is really showing his ignorance....willful ignorance. He's really disrespectful to those Bronze/Iron age artisans. Thanks for putting him straight. Love your channel.
Ben is neither ignorant nor stupid, and I don’t believe he believes any of this. He is just happy to keep making money on the backs of those who are - so why do ‘we’ publicise him?
@kvppvk now that is a good question. Why indeed?
@@kvppvk Sadly - because sometimes things can seem so stupid people have to exclaim in disbelief; which then feeds the algorithm; which then brings in those with a will to believe and the whole thing keeps revolving.
The current trend to label everything scientific and academic as charlatans only trying to snatch funding and 'hiding proof' or only pushing big business agendas doesn't help much either.
For those who wish to believe, I find often in videos a heaping helping of 'I don't understand how. . .xyz'. And they don't seem to be happy with that so they accept anything that gives them a simple answer. Be that Aliens, Gods or Ancient Superior peoples of undisclosed tech levels who are world wide but not world impacting. . . No ruins, no mines, no cave paintings, no spoons or trash piles, just amazing artefacts in the style of the local populace.
Given lost civilization clown logic, I'm curious why they're not all over the earliest medieval European churches, blathering on about how amazeballs the still standing structures are, and how crappy the art is, and obviously that means the buildings were the work of a superior lost civilization, and the comical looking artwork being the 'best' the derpy medieval European peoples could do, means it is impossible they could have designed and built their earliest churches. Have you _seen_ the pictures of Edward the Confessor? Oh my god, they're really crap.
QED
That is the level of stupid those guys are operating at with their surface level, context free evaluations of what they're talking about.
I mean... You do have tartaria belivers, who say that pretty much all old european arhitecture is actually from a super advanced civilization that powered their tools by harvesting electricity from ether.
As I periodically remind people LAHT obsesses over ancient Egypt et al = because that is where the bulk of the fiction genre lay - hence the most easily "relatable" narratives which can be monetized upon. How many movies and television shows to say nothing of print science fiction media have we see in the past 70 years about ancient Egypt...... = tons.
So Egypt as is applicable here represents a subject many are familiar with - unlike your Medieval structures - making for fantastical narratives which can readily be monetized upon.
Moral: LAHT is very much = a business - a _"turnkey"_ one as the saying goes. Hollywood and the science fiction genre already did the heavy lifting in creating the customer base and now the LAHT grifters swooped in to monetize based upon all that _"free publicity."_ LAHT narratives intentionally dovetail into entertainment genre ones because of this.
You’d think that if there was intelligent civilisation thousands of years ago, that they’d have been intelligent enough to survive up to now. 😊
They are just talking about technology, not intelligence. Do you think our technological culture is intelligent in comparison to others and should last as long a Egypt did? Good point though, for there to be zero evidence of an ancient civilization pre-Egyptian or Mesopotamian.
I rather find the commentary being challenged by our host not only disrespectful, but believable racist. "These ancient brown people couldn't do this, so it must have been some ancient civilization/aliens HAD to do it!"
There are literally dozens of reasons that the writing may look less polished (pun intended) than the rest of the object.. some individual, and some even socio/political!
Thanks to the presenter for calling BS on the other guy's... BS.
These are greatly appreciated remarks. Thank you. This is why, while I watch some of the wildly imaginative videos on RUclips, I never subscribe. Good job Dude. Slava 💙💛!!!
Ben the person talking in the very first clip is confusing the word technology with the word craftsmanship in my opinion. Good job getting me excited right in the beginning.
People are assuming that the stone works and the engraved writing is done by the same person. I would be surprised if the ones who created say the statue were literate and it was more likely a second group scribes were responsible for the writing on them.
That would not Suprise me at all that was pretty much the norm around the entire world at some point or another. I would also say that a lot of hieroglyphics were spells and religious texts and would probably have needed to be done by a priest or someone qualified with in their religion to do so.
@@Lostboy811 So your presumption is correct and his presumption is wrong. Got it.
To be fair I don't think the Aussie guy has ever held down a job, let alone a hand tool (no pun intended) to understand division of labour
I finally got to watching Romulus and this gave me an epiphany: how the hell would aliens build pyramids with their claws? Nah, I get using acid from their veins to cut stones and using tails to move them, but I really find it hard to imagine xenomorphs making the delicate carvings on the entire funerary complex.
Finally. The ultimate rational reasoning is applied to this subject. 🤓 😳😳😳
@@ThatBoomerDude56 so if aliens used the acid from their veins to carve off big blocks AND THEN Egyptians carved symbols with a chisel, HOW DID EGYPTIANS SURVIVE?! We all know the only one left at the end of any aliens movie is one final girl... Let's say it was Nitocris... did she cryo-freeze herself to later re-emerge as Cleopatra? What happened to Ian Holm then, there must be an android covered in white goo of some form, can't have an alien without one.
There’s money to be made in spreading fantasy.
Finally found that video of the lady making the stone jars with stone tools, why are those videos not more highlighted????
each of those stone jar videos only have 5k views and i have only ever seen that work mentioned on this channel
I worked at a factory that made cornices but from moulds, allways had so much respect for the ancient artists/builders that made cornices by hand just from their expertise in stone masonry, each and every one a work of art. ps. technology never goes back, so that technology would not have been lost, like today's technology just improved upon.
“..Master stone mason and kemetologist. So he knows what he’s toking about..” lol
And here I thought he was just sticking a suffix on the end of 'chemist' to make it sound fancier.
wtf is a fantastis- oh it’s uncharted X. His voice is like tear gas
When conspiracies tell me they weren't Egyptians that did this, I asked them a simple question; "When did the people living in Egypt become Egyptians?". If they were living in Egypt are they not Egyptians?
Prior ,it was the Land of Kemet, thats why.
@@stevenmetz8642 🤣🤣 That's kind of like the difference between Germany and Deutschland. There is no difference.
@stevenmetz8642 That's what Egyptians called Egypt.
@@JimmyBoombox and WHEN? Can you imagine thousands of years and anything changing in that time?
There is a bit of irony in that today we wonder how the ancients did anything, and create fantasies to fill that wonder.
And the ancients creating fantasies for how their ancients did anything, and creating the hieroglyphs to explain their wonder.
^And me creating this fantasy^
"We found a carving that looks a bit like a power tool, but we haven't found any evidence of the infrastructure neccessary to run power tools. That's absolute proof that they had power tools"
Walloper.
The difference between the hieroglyphs and the surface is intentional. It makes the glyphs stand out more.
Hello, Dr. Miano,
I remember you asked if you should remove the border on your thumbnails and this seems to be your first experiment with removing them.
From my perspective, I don’t usually watch highlights as I’ve seen the main videos themselves, however I clicked this thinking it’s a new video but instant click off might hurt it more than not clicking in the first place (you would know more than me)
I think a middle ground is to have the color coding continue but only as a wordless slim border so regular viewers know what the videos category with minimal effect on new viewers, I enjoy your videos always and hope your channel continues to grow
Are we overlooking his apartment claim that the " more advanced" civilization couldn't write? 😂
😂 well done a bit of sense & actual thinking! 😊
Another great video. Thanks heaps! I love your channel. Could you please do a video on the Red Sea Scrolls? I find them very interesting and there isnt very much information about them on youtube. If this really is the oldest surviving written document you would think it would be all over youtube(especially since its meant to have information to the building of the great pyramid) Thanks
I think you mean Dead Sea Scrolls.
@@makinapacalno im talking about the red sea scrolls that were found in 2013. These are much older than the dead sea scrolls.
@@makinapacal the diary of merer
Annoying me in their uneducated concluding is these people can’t and won’t attempt read the accompanying text and symbols.
Much like trying to construct together a flat pack kitchen module and refusing to want read the instructions. No hope
I’m only 1:09 seconds in and I’m already annoyed…
This guy is calling the writing “rough work” simply because it lacks what he perceives as polish. It makes me wonder how much experience he has with designing monumental art works. The contrast between textures, even the contrast between degrees of fineness, within the same work is a fundamental technique for highlighting detail in monochrome objects like polished stone.
While I’ll never deny that these kinds of theories and claims are ridiculous, I often question if directly attacking their claims won’t risk making them double down. Then I see these people blatantly attacking anyone who disagrees with them or provide evidence contrary to their claims, and I realize these clowns have only themselves to blame for being ridiculed.
Thank you for your continued efforts
@3:11 _"Why couldn't they manage to draw a straight line on the box"_ - There are plenty of straight lines on that box. He's just focusing on the ones that aren't. So clearly they were able to carve straight lines (as ridiculous as it is to even have to say that).
Interestingly, Anyextee just put up some pics from the new Grand Egyptian Museum and there is a sarcophagus with lightly "scratched" hieroglyphs, just like the Serapeum example. But also on the same box you can see deeper carvings of some of the "scratched" hieroglyphs. So it's pretty obvious that the Serapeum example shows an initial draft that wasn't completed.
The builders completed 20 plus boxes hauled them across Africa but ran out of time for the chicken scratch shit hieroglyphs that I could do in 10 hours. Incredible theory Leeside. I saw another one in here...the chicken scratch reflects light better... The fuck up is intentional! It is in fact advanced light reflecting etching technology. Love this channel and the comments. Always a laugh.
@@Kitties-of-Doom _"The builders completed 20 plus boxes hauled them across Africa but ran out of time for the chicken scratch shit hieroglyphs that I could do in 10 hours. Incredible theory Leeside. "_
I'm not sure if you skipped geography class, Kitties, but Africa is much larger than 500 miles.
_"I saw another one in here...the chicken scratch reflects light better... The fuck up is intentional! It is in fact advanced light reflecting etching technology. Love this channel and the comments. Always a laugh."_
I'm not sure what point you're making here. Can you re-phrase it?
@@Leeside999 I saw another comment in here..on the chicken scratch. Which acts as light reflecting tech.
@@Kitties-of-Doom The "chicken scratch" is a first draft, Kitties.
@@Leeside999 See how Miano has the word fantasists in the title? That's talking about you guys. You re constantly making up your facts about these monuments.
To my great shame, I passionately believed in and promoted this ridiculous garbage for years.
People, please take your blinders off and really look at common sense. Watch David's videos. It is tough, yes, perhaps it shatters your world view. But delusion always hurts you more in the long run.
Fair play. Was there a single turning point? Or was it a gradual realisation that those guys were total spoofers?
The boring stuff is egyptian. The cool stuff is atlantis. Air tight conclusions!
Making straight lines and 90 degree corners isn't even hard.
Only this week I had to use frosting spray on my windows, I didn't want to cover the entire window so I marked out the area I wanted with tape. I used no tools but easily managed to make a perfect rectangle using my eyeballs and gravity...
Egyptians also notably used levels. As in, tool called a level, many were found. The simplest form is a rock on a string, plumb bob. Which always falls vertically down. Because gravitation. And if you rotate the object on its side once, you get perfect 90 degree angle. A plumb on a string in the middle of A-shaped ruler is a leveling tool. It's actually way simpler to do than making tape during the time neither paper, plastic nor rubber were a thing.
David is really chiseled though. :p
Would love to hear a long form discussion between you and Ben.
Ah yes, it's not like people had been polishing stones for millennia before these egyptian artifacts or anything. There is even a previous period named after polished stone 😅
Ben doesn't seem to let reality slow him down.
Blah blah blah everything I say is true.
People love to talk about the hardness of the material like they wouldn't be able to carve the material they did with the same material they're carving.. they love to mention things like the hardness of diamonds and the Rockwell scale. The harder something is, the more brittle it is.. You can drop something like a diamond on the ground and it'll shatter.
Anyone can carve diamonds, as long as they have something as hard as a diamond, *like a diamond*... Sure, the precision is great, but it's definitely far from perfect. As far as I know, of all the vases from the pyramid of Djoser, literally none of them are perfectly concentric. Don't get me wrong, they're beautiful artifacts nonetheless. But they're hardly something that takes some fucking advanced civilization to create. I feel like it's downright criminal how much modern people discredit and discount our ancient ancestors. These People were no dummies, none of us would be having this conversation if they were.
Once upon a time I commissioned a jeweler to create a diamond ring setting for me. I picked out the diamonds and the setting I wanted. While discussing this the jeweler related an anecdote.
When studying to be a jeweler - they went to school for that much as people do for a number of things - their instructor was once a jeweler as they. They had been commissioned to cut a sizeable uncut diamond.
For weeks they studied it trying to perceive its' flaws and weaknesses. Finally upon making their cuts = it shattered....... - and the person had a nervous breakdown and abandoned working stones to instead teach others about how to do so.
Moral: as you alluded to "hardness" is not the end all here as there are other variables involved as noted by others.
Some stone can be worked using alloyed tools - while other stone can be worked using similarly "hard" stone + employing methods to weaken the stone first such as _"firesetting."_ What matters in all cases like our jeweler = is understanding the nature of what you work........
The ancient Egyptians as an example here understood the nature of the stone they worked. There are geology maps from ancient Egypt to show whereby they sought out deposits of various ores and minerals for exploitation. They were not simply hammering away willy-nilly = they knew what they were doing and sought to do it in a manner consistent with that. Enjoy your day.
He kinda sounds like graham Hancock..
My follow-up question would be: the hieroglyphics on the sarcophagus at the Serapeum being shown were from a much later period in Egyptian history...IIRC the late Greek or early Roman conquest period. So...why were the hieroglyphs so bad then, since the content creator acknowledged that later Egyptians could and did make very fine quality carvings and straight lines in that later period? To me, his whole argument relies on the ignorance of the audience, who wouldn't know the difference between early Egyptian periods and later periods. His argument is not particularly compelling even of the early Egyptian periods, but we aren't even talking about that in this case...we are talking about a much later period in history. Heck, the Serapeum wasn't built until something like 1400-1300 BC, so we aren't even in the old or middle kingdom periods.
Argument that later carvings would always need to be better is kinda ridiculous, when we have Roman roads still standing and modern ones made with much better tech needing to be fixed. More modern technology and know how doesn't always equal better quality simply because of logistics, a more recent example is Nokia almost running out of business while exploding Samsung phones are still the most sold brand. Does that mean that late 1990s Finland had better electronic tech than modern day South Korea? No. Sometimes it's more profitable to make something cheaper.
@@KasumiRINA That's not really my argument, so I agree with you to a degree. Modern doesn't necessarily mean better. To the point of this video though, the Egyptians were very much able to carve and sculpt rock perfectly well in all periods of their history, and no advanced technology was needed. The UnchartedX guy is either ignorant himself or playing on the ignorance of his audience, since what he's showing there isn't even consistent, as it comes from a much later period of Egyptian history where they DID have metal tools...iron in fact if my memory serves when that sarcophagus was made and those hieroglyphics (which were equally obviously sketches for the carvers that never were completed) where carved.
He’s impressed with the “ancient builders’” grasp of stonework, a fundamental skillset shared by most large-scale civilizations throughout time. But he’s unimpressed with the Egyptians’ grasp of writing, a rare and advanced development that very few societies achieve without outside influence-Egypt being one of the few that managed that achievement.
First, he has his priorities wrong.
Second, the ancients were evidently advanced enough to have lasers and electricity, but never got around to, y’know, writing.
It's not that hard to make a straight line with hand tools. It's not even like these alternative history folks can't fathom great works of art done with hand tools, they can't even fathom the most basic techniques.
Think I'll stick with Dr Miano on this. Or I meet an ancient Egyptian engineer, architect, sculptor, engraver, etc. Thanks Dr Miano.
2:45 Beautifully smooth.... I see what you did there!
Have artisan's workshops ever been found in Egypt?
The Serapeum, Osirion, Pyramids all have two things in Common. Resonance and NO Glyphs. Only one box is scribed and I believe it was done much later.
Resonance was really really Important to who ever built them for what ever reason, and adding Gylphs would screw up the Resonance.
I also don't believe they are a sarcophagus, because of the resonance thing and the size. I'd even bet if they could be aged, they would be way way way before the Egyptians ever rocked up and started digging holes everywhere.
I don't believe it. There's no way an ancient Egyptian would know how to sand.
Dear sir I make and restore tools I do use power tools but the finework is still done with file and sandpaper/ I find with restoring perfection is not needed I rather keep the history
Hello. I have seen something on TV while back where the restoration expert was explaining how parts of carving was on purpose left course for the purpose of paint adhesion, could that be the case? Also if the writing what's polished wouldn't it be harder to read?( See)
Have you ever wondered what aliens or advanced civilization made UnchartedX's videos? I have physically seen Ben's drawings in crayon dating back to what I'll call the The Elementary period, or the Immediate Post-Diaper Age. There is no possible way that the same person who made those drawings also made hours long videos inventing scientific "facts." Why aren't more people asking this important question? Who is making these videos that this crayon using, and possibly crayon eating, creator is claiming as his own? Is it Aliens from Uranus? Is it Atlanteans from Cincinnati? What is obvious is that no one using half eaten crayons is able to make hours long videos so full of absolute inaccuracies, but will we ever know who is responsible?
Walk thru a large cemetery and you can find large elaborate gravestones with high quality engraving. You can also find small roughly done headstones that look like the deceased's name was scratched on it with a nail. In the middle ages you had some tapestries and paintings that looked like 3rd grade art class projects decorating the interiors of magnificent stone structures. Why some people think that variation in quality within the same time frame is some sort of silver bullet proof of the crap pushed by uncharted and others is a real head scratcher.
So he is saying that because the inscriptions aren’t polished, they weren’t made by the same sculptor? Does he realize that if you polish the inscription, they lose the clear edge that makes it readable? The inscriptions lose their ability to convey a message if they are smoothed out.
I have trouble telling if these people are pulling our leg or if they are genuinely stupid. This one takes the cake, because the words would be unintelligible without the clear lines and crisp cuts that make it able to be read.
The modern tools are based on replication of what primitive tools could do. Technology gets more advanced over time, not less advanced. The corbeled ceiling in the Great Pyramid led to the Gothic arch through several intermediate steps that we can actually still see in places.
If there was a more advanced civilization farther back in time, there would be evidence of it in technology handed down from it or ruins left by it. He is trying to say that the ruins left by a previous culture are being attributed to the Egyptians when there is not any other record of an earlier culture existing. If the statues are from an earlier culture, where are the buildings from that culture? Where are the tools from that earlier culture?
This has got to be some sort of gag. No one can be this utterly stupid.
There is a lot of money on the line for the mystery cult leaders.
Ironically, there are many cases in history where there WAS a more advanced (at least in stone masonry) civilization that wasn't matched for the ones that followed for some time. Like Greece or Rome. Or some of the pre-Inca Andean civilizations. None of those cases are mysterious, I mean, nobody gets surprised that a Roman aqueduct is more advanced than whatever the vandals and goths made during what was previously known as dark ages.
Why they keep trying to claim Egypt has mysterious whatever instead of admitting the cyclic nature of civilization, as dynasties fell and empires collapsed and then were reunited or conquered, which perfectly explains why, say, they suddenly stopped making pyramids, for example. For similar reasons Greeks stopped building Acropolises. Things change with time, some tech becomes obsolete, making no point to, say, maintain Greek fire recipe in gunpowder age.
They were all destroyed by a very accurate comet catastrophe. 😁
Omg clear logic and knowledge ! Amazing …. I love how the unskilled guys can’t imagine any one more skilled than them ! Inconceivable !!!
Ben has a good point... as the material carved is granite, so not so easy to polish, write glyphs.
Ok...when do you think we could polish granite?
Its fine if u ask questions and u think something is out of place, the problem is, attributing a fictional story after making that questioning
why are you showing exerpts of your previous videos as separate ones?
While there are many possible explanations and I don't want to speak for the good Doctor, I do know that the RUclips algorithm demands regular updates and working on big videos takes time, so it makes sense to crop out an interesting portion of an older video to feed the algorithm in the mean time.
We know that many of the carvings were painted. Paint doesn't like to stick to smooth surfaces, and if the carvings were polished there would be no contrast and make them very hard to read. It would also take so much more time to go in with the finer tools to polish all the nooks and crannies. If the obelisks and such were truly made by a lost civilization with even modern technology they would be laser-perfect, but they're just eyeball-perfect; they're nice and there are so many work-hours in them but they are clearly hand made.
Yes. Also things like obelisks do not simply "pop up" in Egyptian culture. They did not begin to be seen until after the Egyptian civilization had established itself and its' beliefs had changed - much as cultures today continue to change in what they believe.
That is consistent with their also changing technological skill. You see a lot of say sandstone usage starting early in the New Kingdom period - when you see a lot of obelisks as well. Obviously the sandstone did not simply "appear" = hence after a time they developed the capacity to effectively work it leading to it becoming popular and sought out. If they therefore "found" obelisks or whatever we should see them appear early in dynastic Egypt rather than later.
Styles and beliefs go hand in hand with available technology as we tend to express ourselves via our ability to manipulate our environment. When you begin to see obelisks and various stone structures coincides with the advancement of capacity to create these things.
@@varyolla435 You have good points but remember that the ability to make something doesn't mean it will be made. We could today make a pyramid even grander than Khufu's but we don't because we don't want to.
@@SAOS451316 Our beliefs and economic model have changed and hence that is why we do not build pyramids as the Egyptians did.
As the Pyramid Text show the Egyptians believed pyramids served to help keep Egypt safe and prosperous per their religious beliefs in Egypt's _"cycle of renewal."_ They converted the spirit of the dead Pharaoh into a God who then helped to keep Egypt going.
@@varyolla435 Yes, that's generally why we don't want to. We do build massive ego projects of other sorts now though.
Oh man …. You drove hard & slam-dunked on this Dude !!! 🙌
Ben makes a living doing what he does. Let the viewer beware.
I'm afraid to say - in this context, Ben makes me embarrassed to admit that I'm Australian. Nice work, mate! English really needs a word like the German "Fremdscham."
secondhand embarrassment is two words but it's close enough
No need to be embarrassed to be an Aussie. Nutcases are everywhere.
(We've even got a few of them here in America. 😐😳🥺😦)
What I can't fathom, though, is I've seen an Aussie and a Kiwi who claim to think the Earth is flat. I mean, just take a look at the stars in the sky. How are they circling around a point to the South if the Earth is flat? Sometimes I think most people like that are just trolls who do it for clicks & cash.
Why would a Kemitologist denigrate the hieroglyphs? That's where their whole religion comes from.
To be fair, we didn't actually get to see what the Kemitologist guy actually said, just what the conspiracy nut claims he said.
They want to hype up their religion by saying it was informed by some mystical, magical ancient advanced spooky civilization.
@@GameHammerCG I always assumed Kermitology is a philosophy made about accepting that it's not easy being green!
I just discovered a rock wall near my house in the woods that looks just like the walls at Machu Pichu.
Ancient Egyptians must have had a system of crafting levels not dissimilar to Europe. They likely had apprentices, journeymen and masters. Maybe other levels in between. The beginners had to get experience somehow. Their crafted items were probably the most "crude" and sold for the least money. On up to masters - THE most skilled and demanding the most money. I don't see where this is so hard to understand!
Finish school Ben. His resume is often touted in his content. Let's compare 'polish'. Took the online course at James Cook University for IT. It is preparatory for higher learning. It is not BSc; it is a BIT honored by a diploma not a degree. Worked in the offices of the CTO at a major company. All IT support works under a CTO. He is a technologist which is a generalist in the field. Cable runner and workstation setup are the tenure. The 'chisel marks' are looking rough on his claim of being a master of none but good at everything else. Consider the KNOT diagram, those who Know, those that do Not know, those that Ought to know and those that Think they know. Dunning-Kruger has checked off all three opposed to what is Known. Techno-splaining is used to hide lack of knowledge and motivation in the pursuit of understanding. As a specialist having assessed skill such embellishment is the first thing noticed. I dig, no pun intended, the entertainment of such a notion but that's all. How many NASA employees will go see the next Star Trek movie? Ben is fake.
He's spoofing about having a degree?
@@Leeside999 One key observation is how many experts one needs to support a claim. It is a clear indication that the claim cannot be supported individually, one must look to others for accreditation because they lack it. He is spoofing his experts as well; they just don't know it. The conversation one doesn't get to hear is this, if a machine were to produce a vase wouldn't that require skill? Of course, someone has to develop it, craft it, program it and make corrections of which involve many different skillsets of which have skillsets of their own. Then the conversation picks back up with the following question. Isn't that evidence of high technology? Well yes. Thank you, experts, you guys know more about this than they do. And in their mind, they are being referred to as experts in their field not Egyptology. It the worst form of manipulation because it involves a critical mind producing a message abstract of what they know.
If you have the ability to work stone than seeing different examples reflecting different aesthetic qualities does not denote different technologies or cultures = merely relative skill levels and the amount of time and resources devoted to the project.
Moral: Michelangelo created both the Tondo Pitti and the Pieta. The former is a so-so work while the latter is a visual masterpiece. They are "different" as far as aesthetics because = they were created for different reasons and hence differing amounts of time and work went into them.
As the video shows not everything is done with metallic chisels. Artisans have used as an example polishing stones for millennia - still do in some cases though today with hand tools like dremels many will "cheat". If you draw a design on stone can you not then using a pointed Flint tool carefully chip and rub the design into the stone.
Like coloring in a coloring book with crayons and trying to keep within the lines you rub back and forth slowly abrading the stone until you have your design etched in it. People see what they want to see = especially LAHT who only shows you what they want you to see as the video alludes to....... Enjoy your day.
I dont really understand this argument .. the technique and skills required to smooth and polish and quite different than lettering. I dont see how they are related, or why it would be expected that the letters would be polished?
Quite annoying this latest initiative of the pyramid entertainment complex to label sarcophagi as “boxes.”
I'm not sure he ever says it wasn't Egyptians, just not the dynastic ones, or ones post-old kingdom
So you're saying Egyptians, but not ones we know about? Why not aliens?
Ironically, neither. Iykyk
Funny how they say its precision but never subject these "precise" surfaces to microscopic analysis. I mean, thats how they found the rotary tool marks on the Crystal Skulls right?
Okay, so if aliens used the acid from their veins to carve off big blocks AND THEN Egyptians carved symbols with a chisel, HOW DID EGYPTIANS SURVIVE?! We all know the only one left at the end of any aliens movie is one final girl. Let's say it was Nitocris... did she cryo-freeze herself to later re-emerge as Cleopatra? What happened to Ian Holm then, there must be an android covered in white goo of some form, can't have an alien without one.