I remember feeling bad about myself one day cause I couldn’t make it up this one muddy hill and had to get off my bike and walk it the rest of the way up. As this lady passed me she could sense my frustration at myself and gave me some great advice that has struck with me always. She said that if you’re not pushing your bike up some hill, you’re not really mountain biking. To this day when ever the hill gets too rocky or muddy for me to make it up, I now never feel guilty about having to get off the saddle and walking it to the top.
I used to race XC in Alaska. One of our mottos was, “you ain’t hiking, you ain’t mountain biking”. There are ALWAYS times where you have to hike-a-bike; it’s just a given.
My opinion for take 2: ride the three different bikes each on three different days, merge the recordings, and then give some final thoughts during the end of the video.
Awesome vid Macky and congrats on the "Send It" launch. I hope Syd is healing up okay and can ride soon. It's magic when you both are out there together.
You should do more videos like this! It was super informative, and interesting , at least to me. It kind of solidifies what I’ve always thought, and the fact that a “long travel 29er” might actually be the single “all rounder” bike we all want, and “need”. Of course bike manufacturers don’t want to hear that, but might also explain why they have put so much time and development into these “enduro” bikes. It’s just a great time to be a mountain biker! I Truly loved this one macky (and syd), and I hope there is more like it to come! Be safe guys, and cheers!
I think the shorter travel bikes will show a lot more advantage in terrain that’s more ups and downs instead of straight up and straight down. Some of my local trails are steep and technical but the short travel bikes really shine when pumping and accelerating up to speed over and over.
What are you calling short travel? I am seeing trail bikes come in with 140 front and rear that pedal and pump like xc bikes. The new bikes are amazing...My Trek Fuel could do it all...My Trek Slash does jumps and chunk better LOL
HI Macky, thanks for showing and reviewing niner bikes, i have one the JET 9 RDO i have it last year october 2019 so far i like it can a heavy on the uphill side but the downhill section it can send. more power to you and Syd and keep riding.
I love this. Great video again team. What I’ve noticed is that the way brands are delivering bikes that can chew up terrain, up and down, no matter the type of riding the bike is aimed at. Subtle differences, but so sweat.
Really liked the 3 screen direct comparison. You could actual see the difference between the amount of “chatter” on the screen looking at the bars. Nicely done sir!
I love seeing New Mexican MTB! Riding can be brutal out here, but the techy climbs reward you with challenging downhill blasts. You're clearly thriving in it!
I’ve driven past that trailhead so many times. Next time I’m out there with my bike I’m riding that one. Hopefully not too much for my 29’er hardtail with 71.5° head tube.
Just bought a Giant Reign 29er 150 rear/170 mm. Like you I am impressed at how well the big enduro bikes can climb. Just have to get the body over the front of the bike
Thanks for the video. It seems like my hard tail XC bike would not even make your list. Your XC bike, which is awesome, seems more like a combo XC/Trail category bike. The reason I mention this is that I think you would find the hard tail capable of scaling that first rock wall. Yeah, it makes a big difference not have that lose suspension in the rear. Thanks again for the great video.
Our youngest son (7) is also named Mackie! He and I just watched this video and now he wants to go trail riding with me! (As soon as my ankle heals. I only ride between injuries.😂) Great content! Thanks!
Love the videos with comparison bikes! I watched every minute and was super interested in the different experience. Please do another video with each bike and FRESH LEGS!!! Your knowledge and experience about the different bikes was HELPFUL!! Do the objective vid(-:
Very interesting Video! I'm an Ibis Loyalist. I was riding a Ripley for about 5 years until I finally switched to a Ripmo. The Niner Rip seems similar to the Ripmo and the Jet seems similar to the Ripley. I recently road both bikes: the Ripley and Ripmo on a recent ride to compare as you did. I really love how the shorter travel/shorter wheelbase of the Ripley makes it so snappy, super efficient pedaler up and down, and a bit easier to maneuver. The Ripmo, on the other hand while it is longer and heavier, it is pretty damn close to the Ripley ( at speed, it's hard to tell them apart) but it really shines with Stability - which is why you could probably go faster on descents ( like the Rip seems to be). I sold my Ripley to my Bro and do miss it a bit, but I'll take the extra stability on the Ripmo and sacrifice a little of the "fun factor" the Ripley has. Just curious, you guys are sponsored by Niner? I really enjoy watching your videos! I love your Shop channel too!! I follow quite a few MTB channels and yours are the latest additions. Keep up the great work!!!!
I have the Jet 9 Rdo which is a wonderful bike in both world climbing and descending . Of course I just own one bike but to be honest the Jet 9 Rdo bike suit me perfect in any situation on the hill. Great video. Greetings from Park City, Utah. Cheers.
Great vid, loved this one.! I always struggle to find relevant information when comparing bikes in regards to travel and weight. And about that spot you failed all three times... it is said that "Experience enables you to recognize a mistake when you make it again" ;-) Keep it up!
Great video. Last time was 21 years ago with our primitive hardtail 26 inch bikes heavier than the enduro. Looking back descending this was stupid. I have a scar on the thigh to remind me. I forgot his name but he worked at the Canoe Rental place. he may have climbed it without stopping, Thanks for sharing, Back in NM again - everything is harder even if ti doesn't look like it on video.
Great bikes! I started mountain biking when I moved to SoCal, two years ago! I have two bikes now, the RKT9 RDO, and the RIP9 RDO! Great bikes for the perfect occasion
Great review also on your 2nd lap I thought maybe I should tell him about the definition of insanity. Then LOL you said it on your 3rd lap. Too funny. Love the bikes.
Why didn’t you use all those expensive powermeter stuff to connect the lap time to your average heart rate and power output ? That would give some information about the tiredness.
Unfortunately I was having issues with my power meters (I had been using my other GPS unit and forgot to connect them to this unit) so didn't get any data! Normally I would though!
My second time watching this and I had a realization. My XC bike weighs more than Macky's enduro bike. Granted, if I as looking to shed weight the best place to start would be myself and not the bike lol
Love Devisadero, a beautifully brutal techy loop. Can hardly imagine lapping it three times in a row! Strong work and I like the matching SFBC top caps! Re: Insanity. I think riding that loop on your gravel bike would meet the definition and then raise it 8*).
Out of curiosity, if you had powermeters running for all the bikes did they record a difference in KJ for the climb? I've often felt what you described: certain bikes climb "better" and I've always wondered just how much "easier" is it really. With the power measurement coming from the cranks I think you have enough data to say just how much more efficient the XC bike is compared to the enduro. I know that bike handling and lifts won't be reflected but as a gross number I'm really curious.
Unfortunately I was having issues with my power meters (I think I forgot to connect them to that head unit before the ride) so I don't have data. Hoping to do some more testing though, with data because I'm also interested!
Which bike would be best for these trails is an interesting question indeed. The more I learn about bike geometry, trail, this that and the other, the more I realize how many bikes really are made with compensating properties built in. Like, longer suspension. Not a bash, but from my new never before even thought about understanding about trail for example, I think you will find super conservative is the way more bike makers go than twitchy, or what I call "More responsive" Also, I really liked watching the split video. I was trying to see which bike was doing what. Failed, but wanted to tell you how much I liked that you did that. I am sure I will go back over this video, with markers and what not trying to figure how each bike was dealing with the path. I like to nerd out on that stuff.
Great proof of use case for eMTB. Could have made it over those rocks. Each time. Then again and again. Would like to see the same video with Specialized Turbo Levo vs Turbo Levo SL.
Brilliant upload dude! Those high speed, exposed rock descents looked awesome, and scary (but in a good way!) When will Syd be able to come out to play again? Keep doing what you do!
Interesting comparison. i use my enduro when I want to play around and do big drops and jumps. My XC race bike for medium jumps and drops, plus when I want to go fast. I have a niner air9 rdo which is really light and quick. I usually use it for flow trails, technical trails and small jumps and drops. Sometimes, it is a tough deciding which bike to ride.
You must be gnarly using the xc bike for medium jumps and drops...I struggle to which bike to grab sometimes too enduro or xc, but I tend to grad the enduro because it is newer LOL
Would be a great follow up if you did this same video, but did each one ride a day with rest like you talked about and see what the numbers were. Great/interesting video!!! Keep up the good content
I think sharing the trail with hikers puts a damper on going all out as Macky alluded to in his first ride. Riding against the clock just doesn't seem to be a good idea anyway, but that is me after almost killing myself in a motorcycle accident 15 years ago. I was in tow of a professional motorcycle racer in twisty high-speed terrain and I pushed myself beyond my limitations and paid for it. I'm still paying for it because my injuries caused lingering issues to develop and now I'm waiting for elective surgeries to open up so I can undergo two more operations. That will total six operations to fix multiple broken bones, dislocations, and internal bleeding. I just got interested in mountain biking as a means of getting into better shape and having some fun while doing it. I retrieved my pretty nice vintage Specialized Hardrock Comp from its hanger in the garage, gave it a once over cleaning, lubrication, etc., and it's ready for beginner trails. I never quit riding sportbikes, but I had to wait three years to complete rehabilitation before I could throw my leg over my Ducati. It was the one motivation I had to get back on the bike. The day I took it back into the hills was a memorable one. As a side note, I didn't crash my Ducati that day, I was riding my recently bought Honda 600RR that I wanted for doing track days and eventually racing it. The power that small 599 i4 motor produced, especially after 6k-7k RPMs was incredible and addicting all the way up to the rev limit at 14.5rpms. That nimble bastard got me in trouble more than once. It was smashed to bits after catapulting off the roadway at high speed, across a 60' ravine, and into a rock wall. Whether you ride motorcycles or mountain bikes, it's a good idea to look into medivac insurance by helicopter. My ten-minute flight to the trauma center cost $10,000 out of pocket because my insurance only covered ground ambulance transport. I found out later through a racer friend some medivac chopper operations have a cooperative program with many insurance companies and they offer a coverage addendum to include air ambulance services. I was also surprised to learn the fee was quite low, at the time only $45 a year. Just figure the minimum cost would be $10k, but if you have to be transported further, the price goes up and one guy I heard of got a bill for over $15,000. We always rode in rural areas and mostly in the mountains, just as many mountain bikers do, so transport by ground ambulance wasn't practical in many situations. In most cases, you had no say in the matter and besides, a chopper gets to you there much faster and if you are critically injured as I was, they can save your life. Another factor is comfort, imagine being messed up and having to endure many miles of twisty roads in the back of an ambulance. Combine that with a shot of morphine, can you say vomit? According to the trauma doctor, if my internal bleeding, caused by a pelvic fracture was any worst, I would have bled out at the scene before a ground ambulance was able to get me to the closest trauma center. Another thing to be aware of is cell phone coverage, many rural locations have spotty service if any. I was lying in a ravine and luckily someone behind me caught a glimpse of "something" ahead of him so he stopped to investigate. I could not walk or crawl because of my injuries and I was hidden from view. The rider that found me tried to call 911, but there was no cell service. Another motorcyclist stopped and he knew of a spot a couple miles down the road that had cell service so he sped off and was able to call for help. It might be a good idea to check where you are riding has cell coverage, if not, know where reception is good. Anyway, sorry I went off-topic, but I noticed you apparently didn't take any break time between ascent and descent, if true, why not take a little breather? I learned after one of my crashes at the race track, the main contributing factor was fatigue, I would also say it played a role in my street motorcycle crash as well. I don't push it anymore when I'm tired. I really got a lot out of your video, pretty informative as a quick overview of these bikes. I'm done getting a specific motorcycle for the type of ride thing and before you know it, you start a collection. But, I finally hit the sweet spot and settled on two bikes, but for my fledgling mountain bike interest, I can't afford to do that anymore. I'll settle for a "do all" bike and I'm sure there are plenty of those around to chose from. For now, I like my fairly well sorted older hardtail, I know I won't surpass its performance capability and that's fine with me.
Place a quarter on the cap and gently work your way around when removing for more pristine results. Especially important on a bike that's scratched all to hell like mine.
Yeah, we just did one print of those a number of years ago and are now just getting rid of them all. Stay tuned though, because we might end up getting more (or using a company like Teespring).
Scroll to the bottom of each page for geo. RIP - ninerbikes.com/products/rip-9-rdo-29 JET - ninerbikes.com/products/jet-9-rdo RKT - ninerbikes.com/products/rkt-9-rdo-rs
I was going to say you did not mention what tires are on each bike, just as you say ' one thing I should mention is the tires...'. :) How about the wheel sets / foam inserts? Thanks for the great content.
For most people, a trail bike is the most anyone would need. On the trails, I see more riders struggling on an Enduro than those on trail bikes or even XC. Don't get me wrong, Enduros are great, but it's meant for certain type of riders. Of course, where you live matters, so if you live in Colorado or the PNW, an Enduro will probably suit you best.
Thanks for the review. All gorgeous bikes. How did you measure the weights of the bikes. Fully equipped as you rode them or the bike specs stripped and without pedals?
@@sydandmacky Nice! Real world weights - they are light! Mine is 25lbs without even pedals and dropper post. What a quiver you've got Bro! I wish you could have done the tests of differing days - and given your poor legs some rest. I noticed you saying your steering was getting sloppy. Thank God you didn't crash. IMHO I'd think the 120/130mm range is ideal for me. My bike is 120mm F&R.
Before watching the end, but im @19:35 when you start talking about not measuring what the fastest, Id say the trail bike. If you tested the 3 bikes at a bike park with lift access I'd say the RIP. If you tested the bikes riding the Tahoe Rim Trail I'd say the XC bike, yes I know part of that are steep dusty and rocky but overall. Not sure if the video was to just get something out the door or to highlight the sponsor but I enjoyed watching you ride again. They just opened the trails near my house but the weather sucks this weekend so I'm a bit hosed.
It's not a scientific test by any means but it was fun and will inform which bike we choose for trails like this in the future. Obviously certain trails are no-brainers (rip at bike park, etc.) but for trails like this it's less obvious which will be the most fun ☺️
@@jjo9459 Dude, 33 is very light for a 150mm or so endro bike. I have a Firebird 29er with 170mm and its about 37. Would I trade my Firebird for a RIP not likely but as my grandfather always said beauty is in the eye of the beholder, or like my dad told me when I started racing 30 years ago, it's 90% rider, 5% bike and 5% luck.
I have Roscoe 8,( hard tail) supercaliber 9.7 xc I plan on buying my third bike, want a fs trail bike I'm thinking of a santa cruz 5010 or a stanton switch9er any suggestions on anything else I should consider? 4000 english to spend!
Great vid! I've been trying a similar experiment on my local trails, riding my trail bike with 2.8", 27.5 wheels, then putting my XC 29er, 2.3" wheels and tires on the trail bike. I ordered some new tires and a disc brake adapter so I can try the 27.5" wheels on my XC bike (the 2.8" tires won't fit on that bike). Surprised me how big a difference it was to have the larger wheels with smaller tires on the trail bike. The XC bike is a Canyon CF Lux 7.0 with 100mm travel front and rear, weighs 26.5 lbs. The trail bike is Cannondale Bad Habit with 130/140mm travel rear/front., weighs 31.5 (though maybe less with the 29" wheels, 2.3" tires).
I remember feeling bad about myself one day cause I couldn’t make it up this one muddy hill and had to get off my bike and walk it the rest of the way up.
As this lady passed me she could sense my frustration at myself and gave me some great advice that has struck with me always.
She said that if you’re not pushing your bike up some hill, you’re not really mountain biking.
To this day when ever the hill gets too rocky or muddy for me to make it up, I now never feel guilty about having to get off the saddle and walking it to the top.
nice 🤘😁
I used to race XC in Alaska. One of our mottos was, “you ain’t hiking, you ain’t mountain biking”. There are ALWAYS times where you have to hike-a-bike; it’s just a given.
1100 feet in less than three miles is no joke. And to do it three laps in a row... Well done, Macky!
Three laps, that itself, is worth watching and major props to you. You are clearly fit.
My opinion for take 2: ride the three different bikes each on three different days, merge the recordings, and then give some final thoughts during the end of the video.
Dude, that is one hell of a climb and you’re absolutely killing it. You are a beast, sir. Well done.
Awesome vid Macky and congrats on the "Send It" launch. I hope Syd is healing up okay and can ride soon. It's magic when you both are out there together.
You should do more videos like this! It was super informative, and interesting , at least to me. It kind of solidifies what I’ve always thought, and the fact that a “long travel 29er” might actually be the single “all rounder” bike we all want, and “need”. Of course bike manufacturers don’t want to hear that, but might also explain why they have put so much time and development into these “enduro” bikes. It’s just a great time to be a mountain biker! I Truly loved this one macky (and syd), and I hope there is more like it to come! Be safe guys, and cheers!
I think the shorter travel bikes will show a lot more advantage in terrain that’s more ups and downs instead of straight up and straight down. Some of my local trails are steep and technical but the short travel bikes really shine when pumping and accelerating up to speed over and over.
What are you calling short travel? I am seeing trail bikes come in with 140 front and rear that pedal and pump like xc bikes. The new bikes are amazing...My Trek Fuel could do it all...My Trek Slash does jumps and chunk better LOL
MTB MOR 120 or less would be short in my book.
HI Macky, thanks for showing and reviewing niner bikes, i have one the JET 9 RDO i have it last year october 2019 so far i like it can a heavy on the uphill side but the downhill section it can send. more power to you and Syd and keep riding.
Makes me miss New Mexico! I lived there about 20 years ago. Great video. Thanks.
I love this. Great video again team. What I’ve noticed is that the way brands are delivering bikes that can chew up terrain, up and down, no matter the type of riding the bike is aimed at. Subtle differences, but so sweat.
Really liked the 3 screen direct comparison. You could actual see the difference between the amount of “chatter” on the screen looking at the bars. Nicely done sir!
24:40 you can really start to hear Macky’s heartbeats (im using headphones).This is awesome!!! 💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼
Omg yeah
TRUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Its sounds
If. Macky can't ride it then it's definitely a technical ride and it's very hard. No shame in pushing that bike. 😊
I love seeing New Mexican MTB!
Riding can be brutal out here, but the techy climbs reward you with challenging downhill blasts.
You're clearly thriving in it!
I’ve driven past that trailhead so many times. Next time I’m out there with my bike I’m riding that one. Hopefully not too much for my 29’er hardtail with 71.5° head tube.
That is remarkably consistent. My laps would 1, 2 and 4 hours regardless of bike choice.
Thanks guys! Also, I can't get over that sequence that phases into your logo.
Just bought a Giant Reign 29er 150 rear/170 mm. Like you I am impressed at how well the big enduro bikes can climb. Just have to get the body over the front of the bike
Thanks for the video. It seems like my hard tail XC bike would not even make your list. Your XC bike, which is awesome, seems more like a combo XC/Trail category bike. The reason I mention this is that I think you would find the hard tail capable of scaling that first rock wall. Yeah, it makes a big difference not have that lose suspension in the rear. Thanks again for the great video.
Exactly the comparison video I was looking for. Well done! Thanks!
I’m impressed with you climbing that trail with the enduro bike!
Our youngest son (7) is also named Mackie! He and I just watched this video and now he wants to go trail riding with me! (As soon as my ankle heals. I only ride between injuries.😂) Great content! Thanks!
They need to invent a camera that does justice to the steepness/difficulty of off-road climbs on bikes or 4x4s
Garmin virb...get one they're great. Sensors for all kinds of reasons athletic and automotive.
I rode south boundary trail yesterday and came across your video from 2015. NM is the best.
Really like the realistic view you offert of mountain biking
Are you kiddn me? 3 times climbing up the complete hill. I would die after the first half of the way. Big respect 🙏 👏🏼
Droollll.. this was a dream bike setup for me guys! Thank you
Only 59 seconds in to the video and already super excited to watch it!! Secretly roots for the mid-travel since that's the kind of bike I'm riding...
I would have liked to see you done it with an hardtail 29” wheels, but nice work on the climbs and nice decent!
Love the videos with comparison bikes! I watched every minute and was super interested in the different experience. Please do another video with each bike and FRESH LEGS!!! Your knowledge and experience about the different bikes was HELPFUL!! Do the objective vid(-:
Could've made a table with times and watts for climb and descent with each bike since you have the meter on
Very interesting Video!
I'm an Ibis Loyalist. I was riding a Ripley for about 5 years until I finally switched to a Ripmo.
The Niner Rip seems similar to the Ripmo and the Jet seems similar to the Ripley.
I recently road both bikes: the Ripley and Ripmo on a recent ride to compare as you did. I really love how the
shorter travel/shorter wheelbase of the Ripley makes it so snappy, super efficient pedaler up and down, and a bit easier to maneuver. The Ripmo, on the other hand while it is longer and heavier, it is pretty damn close to the Ripley ( at speed, it's hard to tell them apart) but it really shines with Stability - which is why you could probably go faster on descents ( like the Rip seems to be). I sold my Ripley to my Bro and do miss it a bit, but I'll take the extra stability on the Ripmo and sacrifice a little of the "fun factor" the Ripley has.
Just curious, you guys are sponsored by Niner?
I really enjoy watching your videos! I love your Shop channel too!! I follow quite a few MTB channels and yours are the latest additions. Keep up the great work!!!!
its the first time i see your channel and the opening its so cool, hope everything goes fine everywhere you go. Good vibes :-)
Great video! I LOVE LOVE my jet 9
charley sweet Me too😊
Stoked to see some riding. Loved watching you, paul and bkxc play send it.
I have the Jet 9 Rdo which is a wonderful bike in both world climbing and descending . Of course I just own one bike but to be honest the Jet 9 Rdo bike suit me perfect in any situation on the hill.
Great video. Greetings from Park City, Utah.
Cheers.
Definitely agree! If I had to choose one bike, I'd choose the JET too!
Love the intro!
This is a great test...can't believe I have not seen it more
Great vid, loved this one.! I always struggle to find relevant information when comparing bikes in regards to travel and weight. And about that spot you failed all three times... it is said that "Experience enables you to recognize a mistake when you make it again" ;-) Keep it up!
And can’t wait till we can all go back to riding trails like before!!! 😁👍🤙
Great video. Last time was 21 years ago with our primitive hardtail 26 inch bikes heavier than the enduro. Looking back descending this was stupid. I have a scar on the thigh to remind me. I forgot his name but he worked at the Canoe Rental place. he may have climbed it without stopping, Thanks for sharing, Back in NM again - everything is harder even if ti doesn't look like it on video.
Good stuff. Thanks for the comparison!
I think the trail bike is the most versatile out of the 3, but i was expecting to be lighter!
Thanks , great content... love the comparisons... that rip is so much of a great all rounder.....
Thanks for that! Divisedero trail I harder than it used to be so good luck beating your KOM
Great bikes! I started mountain biking when I moved to SoCal, two years ago! I have two bikes now, the RKT9 RDO, and the RIP9 RDO! Great bikes for the perfect occasion
Its great to have a quiver so you can pick the best bike for the trail that day.
Better to do each ride on separate days in similar weather conditions, methinks. Remove the fatigue aspect. Would like to see that result.
Maybe next time!
I would tend to agree.
I just got my first real enduro bike a few weeks ago and I absolutely love it! I am hoping to get an XC bike soon as well.
Very nice backyard trail
Great review also on your 2nd lap I thought maybe I should tell him about the definition of insanity. Then LOL you said it on your 3rd lap. Too funny. Love the bikes.
Why didn’t you use all those expensive powermeter stuff to connect the lap time to your average heart rate and power output ? That would give some information about the tiredness.
Unfortunately I was having issues with my power meters (I had been using my other GPS unit and forgot to connect them to this unit) so didn't get any data! Normally I would though!
SYD and MACKY That’s bad luck. I was wondering after you told us about every bike having one but not sharing data 😄
love the commentary, and super easy to watch! you've really dialed in that camera angle.
Back to those type of videos I enjoy the most. Something tells me you will end up taking the trail bike to both XC and Enduro races😅
(You said Barzo front and rear on the RKT, however it looks like you have a Mezcal in the rear. A solid combo.)
I run the same combo it´s great
I run it too on my rigid single speed.
Awesome bikes , hope to get one!!!!
I would have loved to have seen the wattage numbers from the climb for each one of the bikes. Thank you for the presentation.
Unfortunately I had some issues and wasn't able to get power numbers!
My second time watching this and I had a realization. My XC bike weighs more than Macky's enduro bike. Granted, if I as looking to shed weight the best place to start would be myself and not the bike lol
Love Devisadero, a beautifully brutal techy loop. Can hardly imagine lapping it three times in a row! Strong work and I like the matching SFBC top caps!
Re: Insanity. I think riding that loop on your gravel bike would meet the definition and then raise it 8*).
Not to mention, the opposite direction.
Out of curiosity, if you had powermeters running for all the bikes did they record a difference in KJ for the climb? I've often felt what you described: certain bikes climb "better" and I've always wondered just how much "easier" is it really. With the power measurement coming from the cranks I think you have enough data to say just how much more efficient the XC bike is compared to the enduro. I know that bike handling and lifts won't be reflected but as a gross number I'm really curious.
Unfortunately I was having issues with my power meters (I think I forgot to connect them to that head unit before the ride) so I don't have data. Hoping to do some more testing though, with data because I'm also interested!
nice riding Macky..good lil test
it's good to know no ones ever steals your other bikes while you're at the top.
Wow, youtube commercials have gotten insane. There were like 6 commercial breaks.
Which bike would be best for these trails is an interesting question indeed. The more I learn about bike geometry, trail, this that and the other, the more I realize how many bikes really are made with compensating properties built in. Like, longer suspension. Not a bash, but from my new never before even thought about understanding about trail for example, I think you will find super conservative is the way more bike makers go than twitchy, or what I call "More responsive"
Also, I really liked watching the split video. I was trying to see which bike was doing what. Failed, but wanted to tell you how much I liked that you did that.
I am sure I will go back over this video, with markers and what not trying to figure how each bike was dealing with the path. I like to nerd out on that stuff.
I think there are many advantages to each of these bikes, but for most of us a trail bike will handle almost everything well.
@@MTBMOR Can you list the advantages to each of these bikes ?
The rock step up thing is important when tired and can't respond quite as fast too haha
Fellow New Mexican here, I'm digging the stem caps! Great riding and content, thanks!
Thanks, it's the Niner YAWYD stem which let's you put any bottle cap on!
Have you try to unlock the rear shock on technical climb parts?
Great stuff Macky 🤙🚴🚴🚴 enjoyed buddy 👌😉
Great proof of use case for eMTB. Could have made it over those rocks. Each time. Then again and again. Would like to see the same video with Specialized Turbo Levo vs Turbo Levo SL.
Unfortunately this trail does not allow ebikes because that would be a fun experiment.
Nice upload!!
Brilliant upload dude! Those high speed, exposed rock descents looked awesome, and scary (but in a good way!) When will Syd be able to come out to play again? Keep doing what you do!
Those bikes are "dentist" expensive but GD they're gorgeous!!
Sponsors FTW!
I’m a Niner fanboy. Always have been. But their prices this year are out of control. 1k higher then other boutique brands. Come on Niner!
@@keithgarn9038 Get a bike that "actually" pedals well for less. :-)
Dentist expensive lol. That's fantastic. I was just at the dentist today (cavity filled) and we were talking mtb. Wish I had that term earlier.
@@brinkmeyer420 it's really for the best that you didn't D:
Sorry off topic, what brand is the rack you're using on your van? Thanks in advance.
It's made by Recon Racks with a custom swinging bumper. More details here: ruclips.net/video/a21ikiRroiI/видео.html
Interesting comparison. i use my enduro when I want to play around and do big drops and jumps. My XC race bike for medium jumps and drops, plus when I want to go fast. I have a niner air9 rdo which is really light and quick. I usually use it for flow trails, technical trails and small jumps and drops. Sometimes, it is a tough deciding which bike to ride.
You must be gnarly using the xc bike for medium jumps and drops...I struggle to which bike to grab sometimes too enduro or xc, but I tend to grad the enduro because it is newer LOL
Wow your fit I would not be able to get up there even once
Would be a great follow up if you did this same video, but did each one ride a day with rest like you talked about and see what the numbers were. Great/interesting video!!! Keep up the good content
I think sharing the trail with hikers puts a damper on going all out as Macky alluded to in his first ride. Riding against the clock just doesn't seem to be a good idea anyway, but that is me after almost killing myself in a motorcycle accident 15 years ago. I was in tow of a professional motorcycle racer in twisty high-speed terrain and I pushed myself beyond my limitations and paid for it. I'm still paying for it because my injuries caused lingering issues to develop and now I'm waiting for elective surgeries to open up so I can undergo two more operations. That will total six operations to fix multiple broken bones, dislocations, and internal bleeding.
I just got interested in mountain biking as a means of getting into better shape and having some fun while doing it. I retrieved my pretty nice vintage Specialized Hardrock Comp from its hanger in the garage, gave it a once over cleaning, lubrication, etc., and it's ready for beginner trails. I never quit riding sportbikes, but I had to wait three years to complete rehabilitation before I could throw my leg over my Ducati. It was the one motivation I had to get back on the bike. The day I took it back into the hills was a memorable one. As a side note, I didn't crash my Ducati that day, I was riding my recently bought Honda 600RR that I wanted for doing track days and eventually racing it. The power that small 599 i4 motor produced, especially after 6k-7k RPMs was incredible and addicting all the way up to the rev limit at 14.5rpms. That nimble bastard got me in trouble more than once. It was smashed to bits after catapulting off the roadway at high speed, across a 60' ravine, and into a rock wall.
Whether you ride motorcycles or mountain bikes, it's a good idea to look into medivac insurance by helicopter. My ten-minute flight to the trauma center cost $10,000 out of pocket because my insurance only covered ground ambulance transport. I found out later through a racer friend some medivac chopper operations have a cooperative program with many insurance companies and they offer a coverage addendum to include air ambulance services. I was also surprised to learn the fee was quite low, at the time only $45 a year. Just figure the minimum cost would be $10k, but if you have to be transported further, the price goes up and one guy I heard of got a bill for over $15,000.
We always rode in rural areas and mostly in the mountains, just as many mountain bikers do, so transport by ground ambulance wasn't practical in many situations. In most cases, you had no say in the matter and besides, a chopper gets to you there much faster and if you are critically injured as I was, they can save your life. Another factor is comfort, imagine being messed up and having to endure many miles of twisty roads in the back of an ambulance. Combine that with a shot of morphine, can you say vomit? According to the trauma doctor, if my internal bleeding, caused by a pelvic fracture was any worst, I would have bled out at the scene before a ground ambulance was able to get me to the closest trauma center. Another thing to be aware of is cell phone coverage, many rural locations have spotty service if any. I was lying in a ravine and luckily someone behind me caught a glimpse of "something" ahead of him so he stopped to investigate. I could not walk or crawl because of my injuries and I was hidden from view. The rider that found me tried to call 911, but there was no cell service. Another motorcyclist stopped and he knew of a spot a couple miles down the road that had cell service so he sped off and was able to call for help. It might be a good idea to check where you are riding has cell coverage, if not, know where reception is good.
Anyway, sorry I went off-topic, but I noticed you apparently didn't take any break time between ascent and descent, if true, why not take a little breather? I learned after one of my crashes at the race track, the main contributing factor was fatigue, I would also say it played a role in my street motorcycle crash as well. I don't push it anymore when I'm tired.
I really got a lot out of your video, pretty informative as a quick overview of these bikes. I'm done getting a specific motorcycle for the type of ride thing and before you know it, you start a collection. But, I finally hit the sweet spot and settled on two bikes, but for my fledgling mountain bike interest, I can't afford to do that anymore. I'll settle for a "do all" bike and I'm sure there are plenty of those around to chose from. For now, I like my fairly well sorted older hardtail, I know I won't surpass its performance capability and that's fine with me.
i wold like to see a tutorial on how to do a doble jump correctly
that's a sweet top cap on the Rip!
Thanks, it's the Niner YAWYD with Santa Fe Brewing bottle cap!
Place a quarter on the cap and gently work your way around when removing for more pristine results. Especially important on a bike that's scratched all to hell like mine.
I need me a stem cap like that so I can rep NM. Also need me an ADVENTR shirt but no sizes left :(
Yeah, we just did one print of those a number of years ago and are now just getting rid of them all. Stay tuned though, because we might end up getting more (or using a company like Teespring).
Interesting video :) could you please share some geometry numbers of the 3 bikes? Thanks
Scroll to the bottom of each page for geo.
RIP - ninerbikes.com/products/rip-9-rdo-29
JET - ninerbikes.com/products/jet-9-rdo
RKT - ninerbikes.com/products/rkt-9-rdo-rs
@@sydandmacky thank you
Those bikes are expensive too. If I pay that much money for a bike then even without wheels I will love it LOL
Cheers
I was going to say you did not mention what tires are on each bike, just as you say ' one thing I should mention is the tires...'. :) How about the wheel sets / foam inserts?
Thanks for the great content.
Airliner in the rear of the big bike, that's it!
For most people, a trail bike is the most anyone would need. On the trails, I see more riders struggling on an Enduro than those on trail bikes or even XC.
Don't get me wrong, Enduros are great, but it's meant for certain type of riders. Of course, where you live matters, so if you live in Colorado or the PNW, an Enduro will probably suit you best.
Thanks for the review. All gorgeous bikes. How did you measure the weights of the bikes. Fully equipped as you rode them or the bike specs stripped and without pedals?
As I rode them (including the spare tube taped to the JET).
@@sydandmacky Nice! Real world weights - they are light! Mine is 25lbs without even pedals and dropper post. What a quiver you've got Bro!
I wish you could have done the tests of differing days - and given your poor legs some rest. I noticed you saying your steering was getting sloppy. Thank God you didn't crash.
IMHO I'd think the 120/130mm range is ideal for me. My bike is 120mm F&R.
Was there a power difference between the three bikes this would be the best comparison as it indicates your effort is equal
Good to hear you breathing hard on the first lap; now I don't feel so bad when I get my ass kicked on divisadaro.
Who makes the red MTB glasses you are wearing, I like em! Cheers
Shimano Technium. Last I checked they were out of stock, but here's the link: bit.ly/2HVJyhA
Glad to actually see MTBing again:)
nice content sr! 👍
I wish i do have a bike like that, so nice ♥️♥️♥️♥️
7:06 gotta ask Hans Ray how to climb that section hehe
Or Jeff Lenosky.
Really doesn't look that hard. But climbing for 3,000 ft is hard.
@@newttella1043 +1 for Jeff.. would be fun for them to have a colab sometime
Great vids man 👍🏽 what action cam setup u using?
Gopro 7 and 8 blacks
Where do you store all you're bikes when not in use?
Do more XC videos!
Before watching the end, but im @19:35 when you start talking about not measuring what the fastest, Id say the trail bike. If you tested the 3 bikes at a bike park with lift access I'd say the RIP. If you tested the bikes riding the Tahoe Rim Trail I'd say the XC bike, yes I know part of that are steep dusty and rocky but overall. Not sure if the video was to just get something out the door or to highlight the sponsor but I enjoyed watching you ride again. They just opened the trails near my house but the weather sucks this weekend so I'm a bit hosed.
I would say part sponsor on big bike. 33 lbs 🤔
It's not a scientific test by any means but it was fun and will inform which bike we choose for trails like this in the future. Obviously certain trails are no-brainers (rip at bike park, etc.) but for trails like this it's less obvious which will be the most fun ☺️
@@jjo9459 are you saying 33 is heavy? Because that's actually quite light for an Enduro bike!
@@jjo9459 Dude, 33 is very light for a 150mm or so endro bike. I have a Firebird 29er with 170mm and its about 37. Would I trade my Firebird for a RIP not likely but as my grandfather always said beauty is in the eye of the beholder, or like my dad told me when I started racing 30 years ago, it's 90% rider, 5% bike and 5% luck.
I have Roscoe 8,( hard tail) supercaliber 9.7 xc I plan on buying my third bike, want a fs trail bike I'm thinking of a santa cruz 5010 or a stanton switch9er any suggestions on anything else I should consider? 4000 english to spend!
Great vid! I've been trying a similar experiment on my local trails, riding my trail bike with 2.8", 27.5 wheels, then putting my XC 29er, 2.3" wheels and tires on the trail bike. I ordered some new tires and a disc brake adapter so I can try the 27.5" wheels on my XC bike (the 2.8" tires won't fit on that bike). Surprised me how big a difference it was to have the larger wheels with smaller tires on the trail bike. The XC bike is a Canyon CF Lux 7.0 with 100mm travel front and rear, weighs 26.5 lbs. The trail bike is Cannondale Bad Habit with 130/140mm travel rear/front., weighs 31.5 (though maybe less with the 29" wheels, 2.3" tires).
The Rip "the heaviest" 47lbs lighter than my bike.
No gravel bike?? 🙃
Nice vid!!