This mech fight was the slowest, clunkiest, most embarrassing and pathetic thing I have seen all year... BUT I WANNA SEE IT AGAIN. Hell yeah, giant robots fight whooooooo I'm down for it.
I think the much more realistic mech tech in near term is that group that wants to do mech racing, and their tech is fairly grounded and mature, but it's more simple than many would probably like.
You are all missing one thing. 4 legged crawlers carrying heavy weapons for infantry, like a ton of morters or anti tank luanchers or anti air and auto cannons. You are not getting a tank up a mountain at the same speed a mech could climb. The tetrapods could walk in a straight line, where tanks couldnt
Tanks can go up some pretty steep inclines and any uneven terrain like rocks jutting up from the ground could be flattened by tanks. Or you could just do gunships.
@Verrin_the_Wyvern true, but tanks are heavy, loud, and I don't think (I don't know) that tanks could serve the same purpose as a mech carrying heavy weapons for infantry. They can't replace heavy armor, and that's why they would only serve in infantry. Example, you need to retreat and the enemy is still coming, use the mech carrying artillery to keep shooting as you move, or the one carrying anti air to cover your back from enemy C.a.s, not as the main force or fighting force. But as light infantry support. The thing with gunships is you can't hide a gunship from the enemy while it's deployed.
@@theanimated6845 But why use a mech when you can make a dedicated anti-infantry tank? They provide a much more stable platform (making it much easier to hit infantry), infantry can't under them (unless they're as flat as a pancake), and they don't have delicate joints which would have to sacrifice armor for even basic movement. Mechs would be able to be taken down by more versatile infantry wielded weapons such as 20mm anti-material rifles (a single shot to the leg of a mech would cripple it) while tanks would require much more specialized weapons (rocket launchers) which wouldn't be good against much else. As active protection systems improve, they may eventually be able to effortlessly intercept missiles, making obsolete the only weapons (besides large anti-tank guns) that could destroy tanks. Lastly, you cannot hide mechs from the enemy. Mechs are very big but lack a lot of armor. As mechs stand upright, they elevate their torso above any cover that would obscure the enemy's vision of the torso. At the very least, gunships could fly high and fast enough to be hard to detect and don't have legs on the ground where everyone is looking.
@@Verrin_the_Wyvern all good points, but a tank is a heavy, expensive, and deadly weapon, but I am thinking of light infantry, where they need to stay mobile and might not have the supplies to maintain a tank. Also bipedal mechs are bad, straight up, tetrapods (4 legs) the body is not upright, and is horizontal, think of like a pickup truck that can go over any terrain. With a tetrapod with a horizontal body, you could hide from the enemy, if you have a short building you could crouch or raise the mech to shoot over it, where a tank would have to drive out of cover, shoot and then drive back in to cover, if it doesn't want to blow a hole through its cover. And you could easily outfit a mech for specific fields of play, wheel on the legs for urban warfare, so it could move on roads faster,and it could still be of use cause of things like short houses or hiding in places a tank couldn't get to cause of its weight, or feet that will let it go through mud or walk over dip in terrain a tank would need a bridge for.
@theanimated6845 Weight is not really an issue for tanks. For one, a tank has a significantly larger point of contact with the ground, so its ground pressure is much lower. This allows tanks to taverse terrain too delicate for a mech to cross, such as a bridge or on top of a building (if it's a smaller treaded UGV). And as I've just mentioned, UGV (unmanned ground vehicle) technology gives us the ability to make tanks smaller, so you can make what is essentially a miniature tank that can fit through doors or a tank with the armor of an Abrams (which is about 1-2 feet thick) the size of a car. Mechs would actually be bigger and heavier (for less armor than a tank) as the chassis contains all the same systems in a tank but you also have legs which are bigger than treads and need more armor coverage, legs also have more moving parts which makes them more prone to breakage and thus raises maitenance costs. And mechs would have to be bigger and heavier than a tank if they were to cross gaps that a tank of a specific size could not. Mechs also would have issues with getting their legs or feet stuck, such as when crossing mud, moving through jagged terrain, or stepping on unstable ground (which would give rise to cheap "anti-mech" traps). Tanks are also much more modifiable (such as adding a device on the bottom of the tank to raise it above the ground) given that they're lighter and simple in design (which means no legs obstructing things). Lastly, cover won't always be present or in convenient locations and being reliant on cover means things get bad when a tank flanks you at 40mph.
AMAZING video!!!! I think when people think about mechs they think bipedal mechs. But I think mechs will look like tanks with legs at first like ghost in the shell maybe and then "evolve" into more humanoid bipedal ones, or maybe not we maybe just build centiped chassi whit a tank turret or put together a compliment of different weapon systems and continue with the insectoid look like ghost in the shell, maybe a armsuit eventually. So either way for me mechs will be...someday.
To be fair, most likely we won't see "Mechs" but rather battle robots as in unmanned combat vehicles, similar to UAVs currently used in warfare. We already have things like BTR-4 "Bucephalus" which has fully unmanned turrent and operator sits in the protected compartment with targeting and fire control being remote.
As a mech fan, I'm not sure that'll ever be possible. Logistics support, coms support, system management, that's a lot for one person to handle. There's a reason fighter jets and tank crews often have more than one person inside
Being totally honest, if somehow a country manages to create a functioning mech and doesn't bankrupt their military, it would be the biggest flex of all time. "We made the impossible possible, we have a cool giant robot that's more versatile than tanks and it only cost us half our budget"
As much as I love mechs, bipedal mechs are always so goofy to me. There’s not nearly enough media on 4-8 legged mechs which are far more stable and realistically viable
Ill say this...this was both exciting and disappointing at the same time. I expected better action, but was happy to see the process of how Eagle Prime was made, ashame it died off
I worked for the production company that filmed the fight at the time. While not directly on the team, I can say all of the direction/editing on their projects reflected 90-00s style since that's when the leadership made all their money.
Once as a small boi I got to sit inside both Eagle and Iron Glory Mechs were epic, but I wish they continued living the life of destroying other 10 ton robots May your steel be forever remembered
The optimal mech build with current technology is, obviously, pneumatically actuated spike on one arm, machine gun on the other arm, maybe a grenade launcher on one shoulder, just ammo on the other shoulder. Then, you have tank treads for the legs, no actual head, and no window, just cameras. And maybe an ion thruster on the back powered by its own air intake if you're feeling fancy. Make it as light as possible using carbon fiber and aluminum for the frame with steel only as an outer layer of armor. With, of course, aerogel to block heat and a combination of low and high frequency sound foam to deal with shockwaves from any explosions.
Btw that mech battle was supposed to be real and the american team made a proper steel mech while the Japanese teams mech was made mostly of plastic and foam so they let the Japanese team knock over the Americans mech so they could look like theirs was real when in reality it was a glorified cosplay
th main issues with that fight: megabots could adjust its height but it could topple at any increased speeds, to counter this, the makers used tank treads to move it around, but it couldn't round tight corners. ...they wanted a long range fight, weapons only. kuratas could wheel around 360 degrees, but the wheel base was large and most of the mech was design for cosmetic appearances. it had a turret ad missles modification options, but those didnt function properly. ...they wanted a close combat fight, swords only.
I love mechs but can acknowledge their not practical on their own. Only thing I can think of to make mechs practical is a technicality for the sort of mind reading computers you see in battletech. Specifically that those give you the advantage of a single piloted machine with faster reaction time and better awareness but I imagine translating human mental inputs to a tank would be harder than a big biped given how different they are.
Venikus andsmash claw vehicles from battle force five might ve nore realistic "mech" if there is one least for jow combining atv truck with mech. I know there is high quality imagine of venikus by Rjiig 123 i believe
The Megabots challenge video the Americans made was kinda hilarious. The Americans saw the Japanese robot and said "Let them fight". First robot hadn't been intended for fighting in this. But since they had it, why not? Both were never orignally designed for fighting and needed alterations to improve safety. America Prime(?) was made for the competition. This edited video didn't quite do it justice if memory serves. These things were like demolition cars crashing into each other. Even moving slowly they still got jostled around a lot. But it was not an amazing battle. The reality is, it's so easy to kill a frail human in these massively heavy machines by accident. One bad move by the pilot and the mech could accidentally fall and kill the pilot. So they erred on the side of caution rather than risk death. Reality just is less cool than cartoon anime mechs fighting. Sorry.
Yeah no. Mechs are always gonna slow moving, compared to simpler and smaller vehicles using equivalent tech. They are always going to be vastly harder to maintain and repair than other simpler vehicles. They stand tall making them a big target, and will be diffucult to armor, again due to their complexity. They will sink in any soft terrain because they will have high ground pressure from standing. They will (probably) be prone to falling over and struggle to stand back up, especially in rough terrain. In short, you have an extremely expensive to build and maintain, easy target for just about any enemy weapon. extremely difficulty to operate and significantly less capable at moving around than a modern(not even future tech) tank. And space is no savior for mechs. In space excess weight and complexity is even more hampering. And say what you will about the human form. It is nearly useless in micro gravity. Even low gravity makes for extremely clumsy movment in a human form. Mechs are cool. But in the real world i dont think they will ever be useful in military combat.
When I saw this years ago after months of hype I was so disappointed. Now about how to do it right; Step 1: make some rules! Mostly weight classes and what constìtutes a victory! Take a good look at any Battle Bots competition and its rules for an excellent example. Step 2: make them remote and put in a dummy pilot. Remote control for safety. Seriously I'm sure a big reason this was scripted was safety concerns! With remote control, deadlier weapons, tactics and manuvwrs could be implemented. Battle Bots competitions can get WAY more exciting than this. 'But then its not a mech!' I hear you cry. Wrong! You build it so that it can be operated from the cockpit during non-combat situations. That makes it a mech. Then for battle you replace the live human pilot with a ballistics dummy full of sensors, and remote control it from a cockpit replica sim pit. Thats right you have to use cameras, windows won't cut it Win co ditions involve making the opponents mech inoperable as judged by the judges, or delivering lethal damage to the ballistics dummy. Step three, now squishy audience. Film the whole thing with drones, and cameras in both the mech cockpit and replica sim pits. That's how to do an actual good mech fight competition.
What about mechs get made as a counter to power armour since power armoured infantry can easily take out takes so mechs are made to be able to fend of infantry better
I love how the entire first fight was just:
"haha, bonk"
"ahh, you got me"
"Top 10 most insane armoured core fights"
You see with mechs you basically need a lot less gravity and uneven terrain in order to justify a mech over a tank. Luckily the moon exists.
With a lot less gravity, tracks, if not an 8x8 vehicle would actually be the most ideal in the moon.
@@kolinmartz a Fast 8x8 vehicle would be jumping out of control on the moon
Yeah let's set it up to the moon with more mechs and some *Last man alive* action 😅😅😅
@@RogueBeats2.0if a n0r0m pilots it, yeah 😅
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This mech fight was the slowest, clunkiest, most embarrassing and pathetic thing I have seen all year... BUT I WANNA SEE IT AGAIN. Hell yeah, giant robots fight whooooooo I'm down for it.
I think the much more realistic mech tech in near term is that group that wants to do mech racing, and their tech is fairly grounded and mature, but it's more simple than many would probably like.
_Rare reference to 'Exosapien tech.' Nice._
I would love the fuck out of a cool badass robots that race but if they can’t race well back to normal boring races again
@@oompalumpus699 their mechs look seriously cool, like they could actually take some hits. Even cooler how it's controlled.
There is an anime about this, it has two seasons
The name is IGPX (Immortal Grand Prix) , the dub is pretty solid.
Real Steel time line then
This is honestly the practical size for mechs.
You sound like the satire version of MoistCritical I love this
If moist critical was british
You are all missing one thing.
4 legged crawlers carrying heavy weapons for infantry, like a ton of morters or anti tank luanchers or anti air and auto cannons. You are not getting a tank up a mountain at the same speed a mech could climb. The tetrapods could walk in a straight line, where tanks couldnt
Tanks can go up some pretty steep inclines and any uneven terrain like rocks jutting up from the ground could be flattened by tanks. Or you could just do gunships.
@Verrin_the_Wyvern true, but tanks are heavy, loud, and I don't think (I don't know) that tanks could serve the same purpose as a mech carrying heavy weapons for infantry. They can't replace heavy armor, and that's why they would only serve in infantry. Example, you need to retreat and the enemy is still coming, use the mech carrying artillery to keep shooting as you move, or the one carrying anti air to cover your back from enemy C.a.s, not as the main force or fighting force. But as light infantry support. The thing with gunships is you can't hide a gunship from the enemy while it's deployed.
@@theanimated6845 But why use a mech when you can make a dedicated anti-infantry tank? They provide a much more stable platform (making it much easier to hit infantry), infantry can't under them (unless they're as flat as a pancake), and they don't have delicate joints which would have to sacrifice armor for even basic movement. Mechs would be able to be taken down by more versatile infantry wielded weapons such as 20mm anti-material rifles (a single shot to the leg of a mech would cripple it) while tanks would require much more specialized weapons (rocket launchers) which wouldn't be good against much else. As active protection systems improve, they may eventually be able to effortlessly intercept missiles, making obsolete the only weapons (besides large anti-tank guns) that could destroy tanks. Lastly, you cannot hide mechs from the enemy. Mechs are very big but lack a lot of armor. As mechs stand upright, they elevate their torso above any cover that would obscure the enemy's vision of the torso. At the very least, gunships could fly high and fast enough to be hard to detect and don't have legs on the ground where everyone is looking.
@@Verrin_the_Wyvern all good points, but a tank is a heavy, expensive, and deadly weapon, but I am thinking of light infantry, where they need to stay mobile and might not have the supplies to maintain a tank. Also bipedal mechs are bad, straight up, tetrapods (4 legs) the body is not upright, and is horizontal, think of like a pickup truck that can go over any terrain. With a tetrapod with a horizontal body, you could hide from the enemy, if you have a short building you could crouch or raise the mech to shoot over it, where a tank would have to drive out of cover, shoot and then drive back in to cover, if it doesn't want to blow a hole through its cover. And you could easily outfit a mech for specific fields of play, wheel on the legs for urban warfare, so it could move on roads faster,and it could still be of use cause of things like short houses or hiding in places a tank couldn't get to cause of its weight, or feet that will let it go through mud or walk over dip in terrain a tank would need a bridge for.
@theanimated6845 Weight is not really an issue for tanks. For one, a tank has a significantly larger point of contact with the ground, so its ground pressure is much lower. This allows tanks to taverse terrain too delicate for a mech to cross, such as a bridge or on top of a building (if it's a smaller treaded UGV). And as I've just mentioned, UGV (unmanned ground vehicle) technology gives us the ability to make tanks smaller, so you can make what is essentially a miniature tank that can fit through doors or a tank with the armor of an Abrams (which is about 1-2 feet thick) the size of a car. Mechs would actually be bigger and heavier (for less armor than a tank) as the chassis contains all the same systems in a tank but you also have legs which are bigger than treads and need more armor coverage, legs also have more moving parts which makes them more prone to breakage and thus raises maitenance costs. And mechs would have to be bigger and heavier than a tank if they were to cross gaps that a tank of a specific size could not. Mechs also would have issues with getting their legs or feet stuck, such as when crossing mud, moving through jagged terrain, or stepping on unstable ground (which would give rise to cheap "anti-mech" traps). Tanks are also much more modifiable (such as adding a device on the bottom of the tank to raise it above the ground) given that they're lighter and simple in design (which means no legs obstructing things). Lastly, cover won't always be present or in convenient locations and being reliant on cover means things get bad when a tank flanks you at 40mph.
AMAZING video!!!! I think when people think about mechs they think bipedal mechs. But I think mechs will look like tanks with legs at first like ghost in the shell maybe and then "evolve" into more humanoid bipedal ones, or maybe not we maybe just build centiped chassi whit a tank turret or put together a compliment of different weapon systems and continue with the insectoid look like ghost in the shell, maybe a armsuit eventually. So either way for me mechs will be...someday.
To be fair, most likely we won't see "Mechs" but rather battle robots as in unmanned combat vehicles, similar to UAVs currently used in warfare.
We already have things like BTR-4 "Bucephalus" which has fully unmanned turrent and operator sits in the protected compartment with targeting and fire control being remote.
It was like 2 MTs in slow motion…
What these mechs do mean however, is that possible 1-man main-battle tanks would be feasible in the future.
STRV 103 wants to talk to you
Why do that when you can have a dude in a JLTV sitting back 3km commanding unmanned armored vehicles using battle management systems
As a mech fan, I'm not sure that'll ever be possible. Logistics support, coms support, system management, that's a lot for one person to handle. There's a reason fighter jets and tank crews often have more than one person inside
that scene from I robot, genius.
your robot?
i loved this mechfight as kid and will still love it as a teenager plus this the closet we got to a mech fight irl
Being totally honest, if somehow a country manages to create a functioning mech and doesn't bankrupt their military, it would be the biggest flex of all time.
"We made the impossible possible, we have a cool giant robot that's more versatile than tanks and it only cost us half our budget"
As much as I love mechs, bipedal mechs are always so goofy to me. There’s not nearly enough media on 4-8 legged mechs which are far more stable and realistically viable
Kuratus seems to be aiming for a Votoms type of look especially with that claw and torso proportions.
Initial design had way leaner lower torso with 4 wheels on 4 "legs" which made it look like a mix between AT from VOTOMS and HAVWC from Flag
I'm pretty sure that the head was directly based off a mobile trooper from Votoms, the Bloodsucker I think
Probably the coolest shit I’ve seen all day
Great video
Ill say this...this was both exciting and disappointing at the same time. I expected better action, but was happy to see the process of how Eagle Prime was made, ashame it died off
I worked for the production company that filmed the fight at the time. While not directly on the team, I can say all of the direction/editing on their projects reflected 90-00s style since that's when the leadership made all their money.
Y'all just need better generators and efficient engines.
This is wild.
This is why I’m a fan of sci-fi over fantasy cause eventually science fiction drops the fiction and just becomes science
One day someone will join the military during WW3, head into battle, and hear over an allied radio: “stand by for Titan Fall”
Nah I think we might have to wait for ww4 for that
I felt like I traveled to the 2070s while watching this, what's your background music? It sounds very futuristic
It's the opening to Neo Seoul by After the Burial, looped.
It's cool, although I'll be using bespoke music from next weeks' episode onwards. :)
I still recall being genuinely hyped about this, but more so because I really love the Kuratas. I still do
when did super mechs get so realistic
🔻 versus 🔺 i wonder which is more stable
Once as a small boi
I got to sit inside both Eagle and Iron Glory
Mechs were epic, but I wish they continued living the life of destroying other 10 ton robots
May your steel be forever remembered
Amazing video, loved every part.
7:53 WHY TF AM I CATCHING STRAYS
The optimal mech build with current technology is, obviously, pneumatically actuated spike on one arm, machine gun on the other arm, maybe a grenade launcher on one shoulder, just ammo on the other shoulder. Then, you have tank treads for the legs, no actual head, and no window, just cameras. And maybe an ion thruster on the back powered by its own air intake if you're feeling fancy. Make it as light as possible using carbon fiber and aluminum for the frame with steel only as an outer layer of armor. With, of course, aerogel to block heat and a combination of low and high frequency sound foam to deal with shockwaves from any explosions.
JET ENGINES, YOU PUT JET ENGINES ON MECHS
Btw that mech battle was supposed to be real and the american team made a proper steel mech while the Japanese teams mech was made mostly of plastic and foam so they let the Japanese team knock over the Americans mech so they could look like theirs was real when in reality it was a glorified cosplay
th main issues with that fight:
megabots could adjust its height but it could topple at any increased speeds,
to counter this, the makers used tank treads to move it around, but it couldn't round tight corners.
...they wanted a long range fight, weapons only.
kuratas could wheel around 360 degrees, but the wheel base was large and most of the mech was design for cosmetic appearances.
it had a turret ad missles modification options, but those didnt function properly.
...they wanted a close combat fight, swords only.
4 views in a minute?! Sheesh
That was as anticlimactic as the scene from Austin Powers." Noooooooooo!!"
I love mechs but can acknowledge their not practical on their own. Only thing I can think of to make mechs practical is a technicality for the sort of mind reading computers you see in battletech. Specifically that those give you the advantage of a single piloted machine with faster reaction time and better awareness but I imagine translating human mental inputs to a tank would be harder than a big biped given how different they are.
new Gundam universe looks sick
Ironically, I think the only viable way of mecha combat in real life is if it becomes a high-level sport, like car racing.
3:37 mech * ** before mech fight, nice
They made a discount Slug gunner.
I wish I was infinitely rich
I would buy a Viperjet and then fund an incomprehensible amount of money into mech development
2 Solarwind fighting
My man, what's the ambience
War bad mobile suits cool
Venikus andsmash claw vehicles from battle force five might ve nore realistic "mech" if there is one least for jow combining atv truck with mech. I know there is high quality imagine of venikus by Rjiig 123 i believe
The Megabots challenge video the Americans made was kinda hilarious. The Americans saw the Japanese robot and said "Let them fight". First robot hadn't been intended for fighting in this. But since they had it, why not? Both were never orignally designed for fighting and needed alterations to improve safety. America Prime(?) was made for the competition. This edited video didn't quite do it justice if memory serves. These things were like demolition cars crashing into each other. Even moving slowly they still got jostled around a lot. But it was not an amazing battle. The reality is, it's so easy to kill a frail human in these massively heavy machines by accident. One bad move by the pilot and the mech could accidentally fall and kill the pilot. So they erred on the side of caution rather than risk death. Reality just is less cool than cartoon anime mechs fighting. Sorry.
Yeah no. Mechs are always gonna slow moving, compared to simpler and smaller vehicles using equivalent tech. They are always going to be vastly harder to maintain and repair than other simpler vehicles. They stand tall making them a big target, and will be diffucult to armor, again due to their complexity. They will sink in any soft terrain because they will have high ground pressure from standing. They will (probably) be prone to falling over and struggle to stand back up, especially in rough terrain.
In short, you have an extremely expensive to build and maintain, easy target for just about any enemy weapon. extremely difficulty to operate and significantly less capable at moving around than a modern(not even future tech) tank.
And space is no savior for mechs. In space excess weight and complexity is even more hampering. And say what you will about the human form. It is nearly useless in micro gravity. Even low gravity makes for extremely clumsy movment in a human form.
Mechs are cool. But in the real world i dont think they will ever be useful in military combat.
Less Gundam and more Robot Jox
Let them fight
i wanted to like but my deal with satan forced me to keep it at 666
When I saw this years ago after months of hype I was so disappointed. Now about how to do it right;
Step 1: make some rules! Mostly weight classes and what constìtutes a victory! Take a good look at any Battle Bots competition and its rules for an excellent example.
Step 2: make them remote and put in a dummy pilot. Remote control for safety. Seriously I'm sure a big reason this was scripted was safety concerns! With remote control, deadlier weapons, tactics and manuvwrs could be implemented. Battle Bots competitions can get WAY more exciting than this.
'But then its not a mech!' I hear you cry. Wrong! You build it so that it can be operated from the cockpit during non-combat situations. That makes it a mech. Then for battle you replace the live human pilot with a ballistics dummy full of sensors, and remote control it from a cockpit replica sim pit. Thats right you have to use cameras, windows won't cut it
Win co ditions involve making the opponents mech inoperable as judged by the judges, or delivering lethal damage to the ballistics dummy.
Step three, now squishy audience. Film the whole thing with drones, and cameras in both the mech cockpit and replica sim pits.
That's how to do an actual good mech fight competition.
Big invest this technologies really this please sir please
I rather use contractor worker truck on that duel those mach are too slow
If you want a good robot fight watch robot combat league
It's not a mech without legs and walking capability
if i sub can i get a sticker?
What about mechs get made as a counter to power armour since power armoured infantry can easily take out takes so mechs are made to be able to fend of infantry better
5 views in 2 minutes, you fell off
🤭
It was the worst looking fight ever.