@@silentcaldari7594 they still gotta go. They're sabotaging their own project and income. It's not like VAs haven't been replaced in HB or HH already 🤷🏿♂️
I didn’t realize that was a leak. The process for developing the episodes is interesting, but bonus content like early story boards and scripts should be left for release by the creators. It is massively disrespectful to claim to be a fan of the show and spread around leaked content. :/
@@oldschool6926 It doesn't matter how much you love a show, leaking stuff before anything is released is disrespectful. Being a fan doesn't give you a free pass to do whatever you want without consequence. Leaking/spoiling things for everyone else is absolutely disrespectful.
Yeah I'd avoid them too.... it's bad enough there's a TON of "Fanon" going on being preached as fact with no evidence... there are still people who genuinely think Loona is lazy, ungrateful and arrogant because the wiki says so, but she admitted SEVERAL times she's bored because she's forced to be a receptionist instead of being allowed to go on missions, which she WANTS to do. but Blitz is so overly protective, he keeps her caged up on the front desk, THAT"S what annoys her. Not the fact that she doesn't want to work. but people just ignore that.
Then Octavia will not abandon Stolas as we expected in the leaked Sinsmas episode, I hope that the dark ending changes completely like they did to Ghostfuckers
@@claudiosanchez3361 actually the leaks of the storyboards from this episode were scrapped because they didn't fit with the story NOT because they were leaked. so depending on what they're going for in sinsmas, we might still see that happen
Well I have theorized that we'll gonna have to wait 1-2 years more because of this. Because the only possible way now is to reanimate and rewrite the whole story.
@@SkyP1e what are you talking about? More than half the drama surrounding Helluva Boss/Hazbin Hotel wouldn’t exist without Viv willingly throwing herself into drama with a can full of gasoline.
I think there's a distinction between the people knowingly sharing the new leaks & those who shared it, thinking it was fan made. But in the end, there's no difference in the damage they do.
I don’t think she was “forced” to change anything, the second storyline was better, so it seems they just improved it. I’m not vivzie so this is not a fact, just an assumption.
@AmyAberrant My thought exactly. Why would you let a leak, that surely only a fraction of eventual viewers even noticed, ruin your creative vision if you were sure about said vision? Don't wanna be apologetic about those leaks and, for a dramatic show with long story arcs, they are more than an annoyance, but what more power and confirmation could you give leakers if you substantially change your story because of them?
Yeah, after several episodes that seemed to be written like Hatefics, it seems that Viv is taking notes about the reactions of the fanbase and a LOT of people are sick and tired of the bash fests that go on. Like how Episode 8... as much as everyone LOVES Bee, there's no denying ALL that episode accomplished is making Loona look bad for a problem she literally had NOTHING to do with. and in the end she's apologizing to Blitz for something she didn't do or know about. and then Apology Tour had blitz acting like a complete prick the whole episode until Verosika forced him to apologize and grow up for once.... I'm sorry but those two really are the WORST episodes when it comes to character development and didn't leave people feeling like Viv cared about the characters as much as just making a bad joke at thier expense. That said, she IS capable of writing good stories that keep us curious and I noticed she is treating Loona and Moxxie a LOT better lately, and focusing less on bashing Blitz and just having him take it. With episodes having proper conclusions and not leaving us feeling like we wasted 15 minutes just to see the characters suffer as if they don't enough already. I agree heavily that the leaks are heavily uncalled for and people need to knock it off as if there isn't enough horrible misinformation about the show (or Fanon), but if it does mean Viv is able to re-do the episode with feedback in mind to make it less "fanfictiony"...it's not ALL bad to reassess.
@oldschool6926 best advice from me: Don't fucking do that cause it's incredibly disrespectful, and also illegal. Not "funny" or should even be considered in the first place.
I just said this in one video previously when they talked about the huge Hazbin hotel leak, the basically this could become a massive speed bump on the release of season 2. Because maybe those were only some ideas they had that they decided to scrap later. Or are they going to be concepts that will have to be thrown to the side to come up with something new to try and keep the show interesting. Because the funny thing about leaks, they can kill an interest in something just as much as they could cause hype.
@@Nazo-kage storyboards getting leaked sure you can change that. Hazbin leaks were animated and voice acted. They’d be dumber than rocks to scrap it and there’s zero chance of that happening.
Ummm no. It was already stated that the original plot never left the story board stage and was scraped since it didn't work with the overall story of the series. Not because of leaks. However elements were recycled for the latest episode and truth seekers.
I can bet that there’s a lotta people who think Viv deserves it. I’m honestly sick of seeing people try to make her life harder for (from what I can tell) genuinely no fucking reason.
@the_gabernator Many reasons 1) She allowed an employee with a known rape fetish to storyboard the "Posion" sequence, and he based it off of a rape comic 2) She didn't allow the use of her character's voices in a charity stream from her older voice actors (it was for one of the actor's partners with cancer and he didn't get treatment in time) 3) She left all the people, including her friend, who ACTUALLY wrote the show/wasn't even her idea, behind when she got an Amazon deal 4) 50% turnover rate for animators per episode and they came out to describe poor pay and terrible working conditions. 25% turnover is the industry average PER YER 5) Normalizing sexual assault by creating characters who harass others (Angel Dust) and get raped as a joke (Sir Pentious) while trying to get Brownie Poimts from victims by discussing it "seriously" 6) Fetisihization of gay relationships. The only non-toxic or infantilized gay ship in the show is Moxie, the one in a HETEROsexual relationship. This is used to drive in views and caters to young women who have a habit of these behaviors 7) Vizie's claim that Hazbin Hotel is for the girls while Helluva Boss is for the guys when all of her shows focus screamtime on a gay man for the fanbase to gush over (Stolas/Angel Dust) while connecting all female protagonist to their male counterpart (Millie/Moxxie) and (Charlie/Her Dad) 8) Can't take criticism and will block fans because they voiced an opinion 9) Stole the original idea from her friend, who she gave none of the profits to I can give links to proof for any of these claims She is a terrible person, and you can like the show (personally, I think it's ass), but in no way should you buy merch, support her directly, or support her actions
The fact it's causing Vivzie to actively change up the script due to the leaks so she can at least still give the people a surprise of some kind is genuinely concerning.
Not to mention all the leaks from Hazbin Season 2. This is just reopening old wounds. It’s sad that something so important to her and many other people keep getting this happened to
yeah that would’ve been so awesome to see jumping into the scene and attacking and biting this new villain and now she’s been put in the backseat again it’s a real shame she’s back at the desk table why😞😩
@@Kidra People don't understand how animation works, they don't get these ideas were recycled after their episodes were scrapped. Happens all the time.
this is the reason why everything that is supposed to be kept in secret in a surprising way but ended up getting leaked out to the internet and spoiled everything. why do people do this shit and ruin it for others? this is why we can't have nice things.
I think the worst part about this is that going off of what the leaked storyboards showed, the original episode 10 was gonna be AMAZING compared to the lukewarm one we got imo. These leaks forcing changes to mantain "SURPRISE" are actively hurting the quality of Hazbin & Helluva and its terrible to see.
Shes absolutely right! It really sucks how even now some of the second season of hazbin hotel has been leaked. People just can't help themselves from being a POS. Fire them and see to it that they never work in animation agaon
You’d never be able to prove damages. Besides, if they don’t even know what direction they were gonna go. You’re gonna have a helluva time proving damages when it wasn’t even set story
@DylVan-k8y I agree with your statement I'm simply saying that that would probably be the best course of action if they knew who caused it, after all that storyboard could have been used for a episode later down the line if it hadn't been leaked.
@@MetaQuePig So apparently, almost the entirety of Season 2, storyboards, at least one musical number, etc was leaked on Twitter and TikTok. All I saw was one song s decent way through animation on Reddit
The thing is, leaking stuff decades after the fact is just adding more information to the pile. Doing it before something is done is bad for both creators and the audience.
I think it would be best if they published how episode evolved and how those leaks made the development of the episode longer. It would be great for us (seeing storyboards ect) and for them (showing how much work goes into episodes and why leaks sucks)
Well, idk if it was Viv's idea, but it was only Brandon who wrote this particular episode. Not her. You'll see it in the credits, idk if she let him write it due to the leaks or not but that's just my educated guess.
And for those who have no idea what the Streisand Effect is(like myself pre google search), here ya go: The Streisand effect is named for American singer and actress Barbra Streisand, whose attorney attempted in 2003 to suppress the publication of a photograph showing her clifftop residence in Malibu, taken to document coastal erosion in California, inadvertently drawing far greater attention to the previously obscure photograph. The effect exemplifies psychological reactance, in which the attempt to hide information instead makes it more interesting to seek out and propagate.
And it's because of those leaks that we never got to see Loona in action again, I was so looking forward to seeing my favorite hellhound fighting again
@@wiseforcommonsense Yeah, Viv and Erika Linebeck are really good friends and it makes sense she would respect her by making Loona silent for awhile. it was a genuine surprise to see Loona in Full Moon have a prominent role. Viv actually addressed this direclty as she stated in response to people asking for Loona "She will appear more in the end of season 2 and Season 3". So she's aware everyone loves Loona and wants to see more of her, but I think a larger part is trying to get Blitz and Stolas's story set up so that there's time to properly tell Loona's story. Loona is the most mysterious character who we know the least about, and given Bee's episode is kind of a "Bonus episode", it wasn't really meant to reveal much about Loona's past yet, just HINT at it the same way Loo loo land teased Blitz and Fizz's animosity with Robo Fizz, only to see actual Fizz many episodes later and then see that story conclude half way through season 2. Plus when Blitz is freaking out, he never seems to worry about Loona leaving him.... there's something interesting about that, given she tried to leave him twice (though first time was her fault, the second was his fault, they both immediately made up though). but odd that he never delves on the chance Loona may just pack up and leave like he literally does every other character. Does he perhaps "own her soul" like the Hazbin characters? Is THAT why she was so angry at Bee for signing her adoption paper? Is that why she's perpetually miserable but doesn't just..."walk away"? I mean she is 23 and DID say "One more month and I would've been FREE!" in response to her distates for Blitz adopting her at the last second.
Doubt it. The episode was likely already revised. Probably when they decided they needed to give Millie some attention as a character. Cutting it down to a Blitzo and Millie episode was good for that.
@@MarioMastar Because she would have been let out of the orphanage as she was a legal adult. That's all she meant. She never expresses any anger at Bee for the adoption papers? I don't know why people want to turn a wholesome if slightly flawed relationship into something like that based on nothing.
If it was a staff member then they could not only fire them but force them to pay a massive settlement depending on the costs associated with changing the episode so if it cost half a million dollars then the leaker would be forced to pay that to the studio as a settlement or they would be sued for a much higher amount for leaking the unreleased content.
They leaked episode 12 as well, which was gonna be a stolas/via episode but now they're gonna have to cut all the emotional stuff end replace it with a fight scene or something.
I mean...yeah it sucks that the stuff was leaked, but people are obviously going to watch and talk about it. The leaks were scrapped anyway, so I don't see why it's such a big deal.
It's a big deal because it creates more work for everyone on the team to scrap ideas, and it also limits creativity to scrap ideas you were proud of. If they didn't scrap it then the audience was also spoiled and it might ruin the experience
@@kaponofryxell4798 You did not understand the video at all and it shows. The episode and ideas were ALREADY scraped, they were leaked after the show had ALREADY SCRAPED the previous plot and released a different one.
@Lennyxx "... and Vivziepop was FORCED to change the episode completely." -this video If you have info the video doesn't tell us then by all means, share. No need to be rude over nothing
I do vaguely remember seeing some posts about Millie and Moxxie tied up on a chandelier and the main villain being more of a ghost and less of a demon, with Loona ripping him to shreds. I figured it was all fake. Turns out that leaking may have been the case.
I can understand the theorists who bring up the leaked episodes in theyr theories because it gives us insight into the characters even if it was from an now abbandoned script
Sure Helluva Boss is still great. She works very hard to make those Episodes. And the wait for them is worth it. And that's why she needs all the help she can get! To make them and from other people to. And she needs as much money as she can to. From a lot of fundraisers and investors to.
It would make sense in some way because this is the first episode of Helluva Boss that was written independently by Brandon Rogers (Blitz voice actor). He’s co-wrote some of the episodes in the past.
I'm not sure I'm understanding the issue. What does it mean that content creators are "bringing up those leaks"? Like, are they talking about them and reacting to them? And is that what Vivzie is upset about? Why? If the leaked content has since been reworked, then what's wrong with talking about it? Obviously, leaking it in the first place was awful and disrespectful in every way. But the leak has happened, and is no longer going to be used, so why would we need to act like it never happened? Genuinely confused.
That's very greedy for those who don't want spoilers. I myself feed off of spoilers before watching a show because it hurts my soul to not have answers to certain questions before watching but there are people who genuinely want to watch the show without leaks and spoils
Istg and now it is the same like hazbin hotel some "fans" leaked the whole s2 and imagine now after we know so much (i didn't watch the leaks dw no spoilers) she must recreate it all over again and wait for a another year just bc some idiot decided to hack one of the workers since they couldn't wait like 2 month
The thing is under most cases there will always be leaks. Completely stopping them is a lot more difficult than some may realize. Story leaks ruin the experience but you the viewer have the choice in where you will watch that leak or not. Sometimes, it is a little hard to avoid but you do have the choice of not watching the leakers videos.
Imagine that this is a lie, Rolando will return and become a ghost. It's very difficult and financially unprofitable to make a new animation only because of the leak.
Yeah, I’d rather not reference anything with the leaked storyboards if I were to review the latest episode. It was bad enough Patreon-exclusive content was being leaked in late 2021.
To me, it's like being an artist and people praising someone who copied your work. Its just a slap in the face for all the effort that went into what was done
I honestly have a pet peeve when people do this with pokemon too. I don't remember which game it was, but there'd been enough leaks that pokemon was like, "Screw it, here are all the new pokemon coming out if you want it spoiled to you that badly." As much as I tried to stay away from both leaks and pokemon showing all the new pokemon, I still ended up seeing majority of the designs simply due to social media and youtube thumbnails.
I am just happy she is off twitter. The leaking stuff should stop and i am happy i didn't see any of it. I kind of got tired about how Viv interacted with others and got herself into arguments.
Dude, I saw that leak and I was hoping to see it in the episode but to find out they have to change the entire story with it. I really would've loved to see all of I. M. P deal with their own issues but someone just had to ruin it so badly they just written Loona and Moxxie out. I'm hoping that the scene with Octavia running away still happens.
I doubt it was the leak, it looks like they decided it should focus on Millie and Blitzo's history so they revised the story board. Happens in animation. Probably a rough draft.
I promise the creator of this show cannot take any criticism and also this they're literally just episodes that didn't get leaked. What is so bad about that?
I had no idea this even happened, but I’m so happy that we can all agree that this is so disrespectful and doesn't need to happen. So much work and time goes into stuff like this and it's horrible that they had to scrap it. I hope it doesn't happen again. NDAs are there for a reason, even leaks like this typically violate them, hope whoever it was gets fired
If it’s the leak I’m thinking of, I’m so disappointed because they looked SO COOL and I was looking forward to seeing how it would develop and affect the team
Games, Movies, any sort of media work. Leaking parts or all of someone's work that they put a lot of time, effort and money into before they can release it themselves to the world is awfully disrespectful. And can take a lot of wind out of their sails.
yeah I already thought that's why they changed the episode. I kinda liked the way it originally played out but this version was good as well. However since they also leaked storyboards for Mastermind and/ or Sinsmas alongside a song I'm quite sad we're likely not getting these versions of the story anymore as well.. Even though I was unwillingly spoiled I very much enjoyed what was originally planned for these episodes .. kind of a shame we're not getting this anymore then. I liked the more serious tones especially the* song was beautiful. Well.. also has me worried for S2 of Hazbin Hotel
At least the one she made this time is actually really really good and I’m super happy that it turned out great and that people love the episode, and I didn’t know what the other one was, but I’m just glad that people like the episode she made
I feel like if it was something that is not going to be in future content and was a ditched idea, that's different than something that's going to be in upcoming episodes.
I actually noticed this. Moxie was originally supposed to go on the adventure. I'm pretty sure Ronaldo was going to attempt to murder Moxie and Millie too via hanging. That would have been kind of exciting to see not going to lie. Because it would have been all bad ass and shit cause blitz saves them
I think every company should do this. Smart. One person ruins it for everyone. One leak = the whole story gets changed. Yes there are pros and cons to this, frankly more than I could think of on the top of my head but still.
I don't get why you'd change it though. Why would you go through all that work of changing a perfectly good story just because it got leaked, just keep making it, if it gets leaked, then its not your fault
I'm reminded of the incident where WCW leaked the ending of WWE's main event match, and the ratings for that main event actually were so high that WCW tanked totally. Just because an aspect gets leaked, that doesn't mean the project is trashed. It may mean more people will want to watch.
Hazbin Hotel season 2 leaks also came out recently, which is another reason it got brought up. Major plot points, at least 10 minutes of storyboards, and a few songs from Hazbin season 2 got leaked. It's really shameful
There's somewhat a simple way to find the person who leaks information. Everybody gets a unique set of pictures with a hidden color in it that only shows up when you start to mess with contrast and hue. Leaks start popping up? You find the betrayer. You also have it built into their contracts that they owe you money as a fine for breaking NDA
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the people that keep doing that shit should be fired immediately. I don't care if it's staff or a janitor. fire them for leaking it
If it is an accident, you need to get your priorities straight and think for a second. If it was done on purpose, that's another matter.
What do you do if it is one of the beloved VA's?@@skaynne54
Not the janitor 💀
@@Your_localHazel12 if it's the janitor? yeah. fire their ass too
@@silentcaldari7594 they still gotta go. They're sabotaging their own project and income. It's not like VAs haven't been replaced in HB or HH already 🤷🏿♂️
I didn’t realize that was a leak. The process for developing the episodes is interesting, but bonus content like early story boards and scripts should be left for release by the creators. It is massively disrespectful to claim to be a fan of the show and spread around leaked content. :/
Oh yea just spreading leaked content in general is messed up tbh
@ things can be natural but disrespect at the same time
@@Nicole34real4real indeed it can, in this case, not so much
@@oldschool6926 It doesn't matter how much you love a show, leaking stuff before anything is released is disrespectful. Being a fan doesn't give you a free pass to do whatever you want without consequence. Leaking/spoiling things for everyone else is absolutely disrespectful.
What was the leak about?
I kept getting recommended like four leaked videos of episodes, and I was getting pissed. I never watched any of them, and it was annoying as hell
Yeah I'd avoid them too.... it's bad enough there's a TON of "Fanon" going on being preached as fact with no evidence... there are still people who genuinely think Loona is lazy, ungrateful and arrogant because the wiki says so, but she admitted SEVERAL times she's bored because she's forced to be a receptionist instead of being allowed to go on missions, which she WANTS to do. but Blitz is so overly protective, he keeps her caged up on the front desk, THAT"S what annoys her. Not the fact that she doesn't want to work. but people just ignore that.
We will be watching them
Then Octavia will not abandon Stolas as we expected in the leaked Sinsmas episode, I hope that the dark ending changes completely like they did to Ghostfuckers
This is one moment where I hope the leaks to Sinsmas will stay true to the episode!!!!
It’s probably a shower dream. She’ll leave Stolas right after shooting JR.
@@animateddepression JR? Who's JR? Also we need those leaks for sinsmas to come true!
WHAT?!
@@claudiosanchez3361 actually the leaks of the storyboards from this episode were scrapped because they didn't fit with the story NOT because they were leaked. so depending on what they're going for in sinsmas, we might still see that happen
Oml if she changes Hazbin Hotel because that person leaked it I swear >:
Shes going to have to, honestly. The entirety of the season got leaked + songs.
Well I have theorized that we'll gonna have to wait 1-2 years more because of this. Because the only possible way now is to reanimate and rewrite the whole story.
The person who leaked Hazbin Hotel Season 2 should try and be president with Donald Trump! 😂😂😂 They're practically the same person anyways...
@@dunsbrowelotrump won get over it
@@mageofdoomsie1598 Nope, only two of the episodes
I think that people are making Viv's life harder for no good reason. She has my full support love the work she puts out
@@SkyP1e what are you talking about? More than half the drama surrounding Helluva Boss/Hazbin Hotel wouldn’t exist without Viv willingly throwing herself into drama with a can full of gasoline.
@@havicmaking bwahah realll
@@havicmaking more true than most realize.
@@havicmaking i love the shows, just not the drama she creates/get involved in (especially with cherri bombs old actress)
I haven't heard ab that kind of drama but that sounds ab right since she does have many ways of ruining herself bit by bit@@Bunnyboop234
I think there's a distinction between the people knowingly sharing the new leaks & those who shared it, thinking it was fan made. But in the end, there's no difference in the damage they do.
What damage? A fraction of fans knowing something that's going to be public shortly anyway?
I don’t think she was “forced” to change anything, the second storyline was better, so it seems they just improved it. I’m not vivzie so this is not a fact, just an assumption.
@AmyAberrant My thought exactly. Why would you let a leak, that surely only a fraction of eventual viewers even noticed, ruin your creative vision if you were sure about said vision? Don't wanna be apologetic about those leaks and, for a dramatic show with long story arcs, they are more than an annoyance, but what more power and confirmation could you give leakers if you substantially change your story because of them?
that leak was changed and scrapped before it was even leaked. s2 was locked in by january of 2021, so it was changed way beforehand
@@firefliesinthesky384 That's good to hear!
Exactly I'm glad we did get that stupid Millie s**cide scene
Yeah, after several episodes that seemed to be written like Hatefics, it seems that Viv is taking notes about the reactions of the fanbase and a LOT of people are sick and tired of the bash fests that go on. Like how Episode 8... as much as everyone LOVES Bee, there's no denying ALL that episode accomplished is making Loona look bad for a problem she literally had NOTHING to do with. and in the end she's apologizing to Blitz for something she didn't do or know about. and then Apology Tour had blitz acting like a complete prick the whole episode until Verosika forced him to apologize and grow up for once.... I'm sorry but those two really are the WORST episodes when it comes to character development and didn't leave people feeling like Viv cared about the characters as much as just making a bad joke at thier expense.
That said, she IS capable of writing good stories that keep us curious and I noticed she is treating Loona and Moxxie a LOT better lately, and focusing less on bashing Blitz and just having him take it. With episodes having proper conclusions and not leaving us feeling like we wasted 15 minutes just to see the characters suffer as if they don't enough already. I agree heavily that the leaks are heavily uncalled for and people need to knock it off as if there isn't enough horrible misinformation about the show (or Fanon), but if it does mean Viv is able to re-do the episode with feedback in mind to make it less "fanfictiony"...it's not ALL bad to reassess.
Best advice from me: report to the person who leak it
Best advice from me:
Keep multiple copies of the leaked footage, only release it on accounts that you don’t mind having taken down
@oldschool6926 best advice from me:
Don't fucking do that cause it's incredibly disrespectful, and also illegal. Not "funny" or should even be considered in the first place.
@@oldschool6926 tf are you talking about, people like you are part of the problem
@@oldschool6926 you’re the same kind of person who complains everything is bad. Then proceed to make it worse
@@oldschool6926 Best advice from me: Delete all of it and start from scratch.
Not only did they leaked episode 10, but they leaked episode 12 and hazbin Hotel season 2 as well
@@anakinleamon4471 what has become of us now?
I am happy to have seen it, huge props on the hacker
@@Mr.CS98 indeed
@@excitablepack7076 nothing, people have been doing that kind of thing since the dawn of times
@@Mr.CS98 where did you see it?
I just said this in one video previously when they talked about the huge Hazbin hotel leak, the basically this could become a massive speed bump on the release of season 2.
Because maybe those were only some ideas they had that they decided to scrap later.
Or are they going to be concepts that will have to be thrown to the side to come up with something new to try and keep the show interesting.
Because the funny thing about leaks, they can kill an interest in something just as much as they could cause hype.
@@Nazo-kage storyboards getting leaked sure you can change that. Hazbin leaks were animated and voice acted. They’d be dumber than rocks to scrap it and there’s zero chance of that happening.
Ummm no. It was already stated that the original plot never left the story board stage and was scraped since it didn't work with the overall story of the series. Not because of leaks. However elements were recycled for the latest episode and truth seekers.
I can bet that there’s a lotta people who think Viv deserves it. I’m honestly sick of seeing people try to make her life harder for (from what I can tell) genuinely no fucking reason.
I mean she’s done some unsavory things but it’s not tied to the show so it’s probably not a case of trying to make her life harder
She deserves it
The animators don't
@@ariachermansky7836 why?
@the_gabernator
Many reasons
1) She allowed an employee with a known rape fetish to storyboard the "Posion" sequence, and he based it off of a rape comic
2) She didn't allow the use of her character's voices in a charity stream from her older voice actors (it was for one of the actor's partners with cancer and he didn't get treatment in time)
3) She left all the people, including her friend, who ACTUALLY wrote the show/wasn't even her idea, behind when she got an Amazon deal
4) 50% turnover rate for animators per episode and they came out to describe poor pay and terrible working conditions. 25% turnover is the industry average PER YER
5) Normalizing sexual assault by creating characters who harass others (Angel Dust) and get raped as a joke (Sir Pentious) while trying to get Brownie Poimts from victims by discussing it "seriously"
6) Fetisihization of gay relationships. The only non-toxic or infantilized gay ship in the show is Moxie, the one in a HETEROsexual relationship. This is used to drive in views and caters to young women who have a habit of these behaviors
7) Vizie's claim that Hazbin Hotel is for the girls while Helluva Boss is for the guys when all of her shows focus screamtime on a gay man for the fanbase to gush over (Stolas/Angel Dust) while connecting all female protagonist to their male counterpart (Millie/Moxxie) and (Charlie/Her Dad)
8) Can't take criticism and will block fans because they voiced an opinion
9) Stole the original idea from her friend, who she gave none of the profits to
I can give links to proof for any of these claims
She is a terrible person, and you can like the show (personally, I think it's ass), but in no way should you buy merch, support her directly, or support her actions
@ariachermansky7836 what the "hell"...
Jokes aside, that's horrible
Like she said
Hazbin hotel got leaked just a hour ago
@@ratsarecutebutyournot wait really?
@ yep! A BUNCH of story boards got leaked by someone on twitter and it’s spreading across the internet
@ratsarecutebutyournot Jesus CHRIST man. Can't go five minutes without some guy leaking random stuff everywhere
Is Soviet union hackers
@@ArstoczkaPL Bro the Soviet Union's been dead since 91
The fact it's causing Vivzie to actively change up the script due to the leaks so she can at least still give the people a surprise of some kind is genuinely concerning.
She’s more focused on leaks than on her story
The fact people leaked s2 of hazbin hotel mow. What world poor Viv and her team
She run to Poland
Not to mention all the leaks from Hazbin Season 2. This is just reopening old wounds. It’s sad that something so important to her and many other people keep getting this happened to
I noticed that scene was missing in the episode where we see
Moxxie and Millie were tight up on top
Of the chandelier
An where loona rips the infester demon apart in a bad ass fight which sucks cuz lately loonas be shafted it seems
yeah that would’ve been so awesome to see jumping into the scene and attacking and biting this new villain and now she’s been put in the backseat again it’s a real shame she’s back at the desk table why😞😩
Vivzie said, that these storyboards are from a completely different episode they didn't end up making.
@@Kidra People don't understand how animation works, they don't get these ideas were recycled after their episodes were scrapped. Happens all the time.
this is the reason why everything that is supposed to be kept in secret in a surprising way but ended up getting leaked out to the internet and spoiled everything. why do people do this shit and ruin it for others? this is why we can't have nice things.
I think the worst part about this is that going off of what the leaked storyboards showed, the original episode 10 was gonna be AMAZING compared to the lukewarm one we got imo. These leaks forcing changes to mantain "SURPRISE" are actively hurting the quality of Hazbin & Helluva and its terrible to see.
Shes absolutely right! It really sucks how even now some of the second season of hazbin hotel has been leaked. People just can't help themselves from being a POS. Fire them and see to it that they never work in animation agaon
My thoughts on that Anyone who caused the leaks should be fired immediately and/or be made to pay restitution for revenue lost.
You’d never be able to prove damages. Besides, if they don’t even know what direction they were gonna go. You’re gonna have a helluva time proving damages when it wasn’t even set story
@DylVan-k8y I agree with your statement I'm simply saying that that would probably be the best course of action if they knew who caused it, after all that storyboard could have been used for a episode later down the line if it hadn't been leaked.
I’m really hoping that she doesn’t have to rewrite half of HH Season 2 because it got leaked on Twitter
When wdym
@@MetaQuePig So apparently, almost the entirety of Season 2, storyboards, at least one musical number, etc was leaked on Twitter and TikTok. All I saw was one song s decent way through animation on Reddit
@@OR56 alr
@@OR56she has to rewrite all of it from the song to the animation to the story
@@OR56she’ll most likely change the whole script and plot. Since the entire plot was leaked, on who owns alastor, etc.
I saw a few myself and I was mad. Y would that person do that to her is beyond me. That's a lot of hard work and I'm upset for her.
The thing is, leaking stuff decades after the fact is just adding more information to the pile. Doing it before something is done is bad for both creators and the audience.
I think it would be best if they published how episode evolved and how those leaks made the development of the episode longer. It would be great for us (seeing storyboards ect) and for them (showing how much work goes into episodes and why leaks sucks)
This is why I don’t even look at leaked stuff, I down right make every little effort to avoid that. I wanna experience the full enjoyment of it
Well, idk if it was Viv's idea, but it was only Brandon who wrote this particular episode. Not her. You'll see it in the credits, idk if she let him write it due to the leaks or not but that's just my educated guess.
Unlikely given how long they take to create. These were probably early storyboards that had some of their ideas recycled.
Some of Hazbin hotel season 2 got leaked I saw one of them and I was surprised by what happened in the leak
@@Just_Jayden11 exactly I’m scared 😭😭😭
@ just avoid it someone sent me it on discord and I thought it was like the Baxter leak where they ment to show it
@@Just_Jayden11 I know it sucks
I'm sorry you have to go through this @VivziePop 😔 ❤
She should not have said a word. The strisaned effect is a thing. Jessica learned that the hard way
Strisaned effect ?
@@skaynne54Streisand Effect
And for those who have no idea what the Streisand Effect is(like myself pre google search), here ya go:
The Streisand effect is named for American singer and actress Barbra Streisand, whose attorney attempted in 2003 to suppress the publication of a photograph showing her clifftop residence in Malibu, taken to document coastal erosion in California, inadvertently drawing far greater attention to the previously obscure photograph. The effect exemplifies psychological reactance, in which the attempt to hide information instead makes it more interesting to seek out and propagate.
I have to agree that the leaking needs to stop. Can always count on Vivziepop to cover important issues. 👍
And it's because of those leaks that we never got to see Loona in action again, I was so looking forward to seeing my favorite hellhound fighting again
No, I think that was because the voice actor was going through some hard real life stuff, like her fiance dying, and needing a break.
@@wiseforcommonsense Yeah, Viv and Erika Linebeck are really good friends and it makes sense she would respect her by making Loona silent for awhile. it was a genuine surprise to see Loona in Full Moon have a prominent role. Viv actually addressed this direclty as she stated in response to people asking for Loona "She will appear more in the end of season 2 and Season 3". So she's aware everyone loves Loona and wants to see more of her, but I think a larger part is trying to get Blitz and Stolas's story set up so that there's time to properly tell Loona's story. Loona is the most mysterious character who we know the least about, and given Bee's episode is kind of a "Bonus episode", it wasn't really meant to reveal much about Loona's past yet, just HINT at it the same way Loo loo land teased Blitz and Fizz's animosity with Robo Fizz, only to see actual Fizz many episodes later and then see that story conclude half way through season 2.
Plus when Blitz is freaking out, he never seems to worry about Loona leaving him.... there's something interesting about that, given she tried to leave him twice (though first time was her fault, the second was his fault, they both immediately made up though). but odd that he never delves on the chance Loona may just pack up and leave like he literally does every other character. Does he perhaps "own her soul" like the Hazbin characters? Is THAT why she was so angry at Bee for signing her adoption paper? Is that why she's perpetually miserable but doesn't just..."walk away"? I mean she is 23 and DID say "One more month and I would've been FREE!" in response to her distates for Blitz adopting her at the last second.
@@MarioMastar"ERM ACTUALLY SHE'S 22 NOT 23!" 🤓☝️
Doubt it. The episode was likely already revised. Probably when they decided they needed to give Millie some attention as a character. Cutting it down to a Blitzo and Millie episode was good for that.
@@MarioMastar Because she would have been let out of the orphanage as she was a legal adult. That's all she meant.
She never expresses any anger at Bee for the adoption papers?
I don't know why people want to turn a wholesome if slightly flawed relationship into something like that based on nothing.
I wonder how she feels about the supposed* Leaked Hazbin Clip today.😮
bro every helluva vid i see now is "DiD yOu KnOw ThIs In HeLlUvA bOsS?"
If it was a staff member then they could not only fire them but force them to pay a massive settlement depending on the costs associated with changing the episode so if it cost half a million dollars then the leaker would be forced to pay that to the studio as a settlement or they would be sued for a much higher amount for leaking the unreleased content.
One of the reasons i avoid any leaks or spoilers to shows and movies unless they're official trailers or announcements from the creator.
And now season 2 of Hazbin hotel has been leaked.. always finding a reason to be disappointed in people on the internet..
They leaked episode 12 as well, which was gonna be a stolas/via episode but now they're gonna have to cut all the emotional stuff end replace it with a fight scene or something.
Not people leaking hazbin hotel storyboards now-
Ooh that explains why I got so confused waiting for these scenes and it was completely different in the end
Idk why it has to be changed? Last minute revisions are the number 1 way to make terrible mistakes
People are assuming that's why it was changed and not that episodes go under several revisions before animating.
I wonder if Viv will survive the fact that all the people she blocked can now see her tweets
I mean...yeah it sucks that the stuff was leaked, but people are obviously going to watch and talk about it. The leaks were scrapped anyway, so I don't see why it's such a big deal.
You are the kind of person the tweet was directed to. Have some god damn respect for people making this stuff.
"it was a major inconvenience for them but its over now so i dont see why its a big deal"
dude. shut up. You are so ignorant.
It's a big deal because it creates more work for everyone on the team to scrap ideas, and it also limits creativity to scrap ideas you were proud of. If they didn't scrap it then the audience was also spoiled and it might ruin the experience
@@kaponofryxell4798 You did not understand the video at all and it shows. The episode and ideas were ALREADY scraped, they were leaked after the show had ALREADY SCRAPED the previous plot and released a different one.
@Lennyxx "... and Vivziepop was FORCED to change the episode completely." -this video
If you have info the video doesn't tell us then by all means, share. No need to be rude over nothing
Honestly thank god that leaked, that episode’s original plot was horrid.
ALSO THE HAZBIN LEAKS TODAY?
Rlly hoping they’re fake
SAME
I do vaguely remember seeing some posts about Millie and Moxxie tied up on a chandelier and the main villain being more of a ghost and less of a demon, with Loona ripping him to shreds. I figured it was all fake. Turns out that leaking may have been the case.
I mean, I think its more likely they scrapped that already and recycled some of the ideas into a new episode.
Eren Yeager knew what would happen and did not spoil anyone. Is it that hard to keep things to yourself???
I can understand the theorists who bring up the leaked episodes in theyr theories because it gives us insight into the characters even if it was from an now abbandoned script
Sure Helluva Boss is still great. She works very hard to make those Episodes. And the wait for them is worth it. And that's why she needs all the help she can get! To make them and from other people to. And she needs as much money as she can to. From a lot of fundraisers and investors to.
I remember hearing about the leaks. I made sure to dodge them. People work hard and what they want to show is what we should see.
It also doesnt help shes lied to her fans in the past.
It would make sense in some way because this is the first episode of Helluva Boss that was written independently by Brandon Rogers (Blitz voice actor). He’s co-wrote some of the episodes in the past.
I'm not sure I'm understanding the issue. What does it mean that content creators are "bringing up those leaks"? Like, are they talking about them and reacting to them?
And is that what Vivzie is upset about? Why? If the leaked content has since been reworked, then what's wrong with talking about it?
Obviously, leaking it in the first place was awful and disrespectful in every way.
But the leak has happened, and is no longer going to be used, so why would we need to act like it never happened?
Genuinely confused.
Don't try to make sense of it. it's Vivziepop. She's always beefing with people on Twitter.
Telling people what might have been will almost always cause a wave of "Then WHY wasn't it?!"
That's very greedy for those who don't want spoilers. I myself feed off of spoilers before watching a show because it hurts my soul to not have answers to certain questions before watching but there are people who genuinely want to watch the show without leaks and spoils
Istg and now it is the same like hazbin hotel some "fans" leaked the whole s2 and imagine now after we know so much (i didn't watch the leaks dw no spoilers) she must recreate it all over again and wait for a another year just bc some idiot decided to hack one of the workers since they couldn't wait like 2 month
The thing is under most cases there will always be leaks. Completely stopping them is a lot more difficult than some may realize. Story leaks ruin the experience but you the viewer have the choice in where you will watch that leak or not. Sometimes, it is a little hard to avoid but you do have the choice of not watching the leakers videos.
Imagine that this is a lie, Rolando will return and become a ghost. It's very difficult and financially unprofitable to make a new animation only because of the leak.
It's a violation of their NDAs and professional ethics to leak content of a production prior to its release.
Yeah, I’d rather not reference anything with the leaked storyboards if I were to review the latest episode. It was bad enough Patreon-exclusive content was being leaked in late 2021.
That was said in response to the hazbin season 2 leaks, look at the date, but it can imply any leak that happens tho
Yep
This is awesome!! Fukase sounds great here, and he also looks fabulous- nice job!!!
poor viv
True especially for the indie community because it’s way harder for them then say like Netflix to change it because they don’t have much money
Episode 10 still was great
To me, it's like being an artist and people praising someone who copied your work. Its just a slap in the face for all the effort that went into what was done
She is godamn right
Damn, I’m really mad at those leakers because I really liked those storyboards better than what we got
Fire whoever leaked the storybords because that's just disrespectful
I honestly have a pet peeve when people do this with pokemon too. I don't remember which game it was, but there'd been enough leaks that pokemon was like, "Screw it, here are all the new pokemon coming out if you want it spoiled to you that badly."
As much as I tried to stay away from both leaks and pokemon showing all the new pokemon, I still ended up seeing majority of the designs simply due to social media and youtube thumbnails.
I am just happy she is off twitter. The leaking stuff should stop and i am happy i didn't see any of it. I kind of got tired about how Viv interacted with others and got herself into arguments.
Dude, I saw that leak and I was hoping to see it in the episode but to find out they have to change the entire story with it. I really would've loved to see all of I. M. P deal with their own issues but someone just had to ruin it so badly they just written Loona and Moxxie out. I'm hoping that the scene with Octavia running away still happens.
I doubt it was the leak, it looks like they decided it should focus on Millie and Blitzo's history so they revised the story board. Happens in animation. Probably a rough draft.
Which is why that the chandelier scene was changed to be in the pool
I was ready for you to show them lol
I promise the creator of this show cannot take any criticism and also this they're literally just episodes that didn't get leaked. What is so bad about that?
I had no idea this even happened, but I’m so happy that we can all agree that this is so disrespectful and doesn't need to happen. So much work and time goes into stuff like this and it's horrible that they had to scrap it. I hope it doesn't happen again. NDAs are there for a reason, even leaks like this typically violate them, hope whoever it was gets fired
If it’s the leak I’m thinking of, I’m so disappointed because they looked SO COOL and I was looking forward to seeing how it would develop and affect the team
Games, Movies, any sort of media work. Leaking parts or all of someone's work that they put a lot of time, effort and money into before they can release it themselves to the world is awfully disrespectful. And can take a lot of wind out of their sails.
I saw that comment from poor Vivzie and it would seem my bit of comforting went unnoticed 😢😭
At least it's not CLASSIFIED MILITARY DOCUMENTS like in war thunder
if the episodes faces problems and didn't get released, i swear I'm gonna crawl out of depth of hell and pull them down here with me
yeah I already thought that's why they changed the episode. I kinda liked the way it originally played out but this version was good as well. However since they also leaked storyboards for Mastermind and/ or Sinsmas alongside a song I'm quite sad we're likely not getting these versions of the story anymore as well.. Even though I was unwillingly spoiled I very much enjoyed what was originally planned for these episodes .. kind of a shame we're not getting this anymore then. I liked the more serious tones especially the* song was beautiful. Well.. also has me worried for S2 of Hazbin Hotel
First she wasnt talking about helluva in that tweet but hazbin and second she change the script way before the leaks 🥴
It happens. Sometimes you just have to accept stuff.
Why can't people just wait till the episode is done and enjoy it toghether with everyone else 🙈🙈🙈
with that said, this probably means that all of HH season 2 is gonna get a re-write. I hope this doesnt happen for seasons 3 & 4
At least the one she made this time is actually really really good and I’m super happy that it turned out great and that people love the episode, and I didn’t know what the other one was, but I’m just glad that people like the episode she made
That tweet was about hazbins entire season 2 being leaked
I feel like if it was something that is not going to be in future content and was a ditched idea, that's different than something that's going to be in upcoming episodes.
I actually noticed this. Moxie was originally supposed to go on the adventure. I'm pretty sure Ronaldo was going to attempt to murder Moxie and Millie too via hanging. That would have been kind of exciting to see not going to lie. Because it would have been all bad ass and shit cause blitz saves them
They use that scene in episode 11 or a future episode
She was replying to a post regarding Cartoon Universe doing it. They have since deleted the video.
I think every company should do this. Smart. One person ruins it for everyone. One leak = the whole story gets changed. Yes there are pros and cons to this, frankly more than I could think of on the top of my head but still.
I don't get why you'd change it though.
Why would you go through all that work of changing a perfectly good story just because it got leaked, just keep making it, if it gets leaked, then its not your fault
I'm reminded of the incident where WCW leaked the ending of WWE's main event match, and the ratings for that main event actually were so high that WCW tanked totally.
Just because an aspect gets leaked, that doesn't mean the project is trashed. It may mean more people will want to watch.
tbh, there are much bigger things to worry about than non canon elements of a fiction story being leaked then discussed
Hazbin Hotel season 2 leaks also came out recently, which is another reason it got brought up. Major plot points, at least 10 minutes of storyboards, and a few songs from Hazbin season 2 got leaked. It's really shameful
There's somewhat a simple way to find the person who leaks information. Everybody gets a unique set of pictures with a hidden color in it that only shows up when you start to mess with contrast and hue. Leaks start popping up? You find the betrayer.
You also have it built into their contracts that they owe you money as a fine for breaking NDA
That wouldn't work and it's not someone who works on the show who leaked
@@Lennyxx They had to get the information from someone
@@Wolfstanus no, they don't need anyone to get it, all they need is to hack and infiltrate smt that holds the info and stuff leaked
Well knowing that another leak just happened I'm expecting a big plot change for hazbin