I Can No Longer Recommend Fjallraven - Fjallraven Abisko Tarp Failure - Review
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- Опубликовано: 8 июл 2023
- That's it, I'm done with Fjallraven.
Yet again, another Fjallraven Failure!
After a great deal of testing Luke is ready to review the Fjallraven Abisko Tarp and after this point. he's no longer going to recommend this brand's shelters.
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Fjallraven Abisko Tarp - Details
What it is : It has been some time since I posted my preview of this tarp - since then I have continued to test it and have done so in a variety of conditions ranging from warm summer days and nights to cold and windy winter ones.
This is the 10x10’ Fjallraven Abisko Tarp and unfortunately this product is simply not worth the rather high cost.
After a great deal of testing I can share with you both the cons as well as the pros of what I consider to be an expensive disappointment.
Originally I purchased this Tarp from the Ray Mears site as it wasn’t available in the USA. Over time that has changed and this tarp is available on Amazon and it can be found at other sites as well. Not that I would recommend that you purchase it but as an FYI.
Colors :
Pine Green
Sizes :
10x10
11.5’ x 14.5’ -
Weights :
10x10 - 1.1lbs
11.5’ x 14.5’ - 1.9lbs
Materials :
40D TripleRip Sil/Sil 3000 mm 100% polyamide
Guyline: 2 mm Dyneema (160 kg) reflective
What’s included :
Tarp
Storage bag
Six adjustable guylines (the large size includes 8 guylines)
Price :
10x10 - I paid $140 for this tarp originally and it looks like the price has gone down over time. I’ve seen the 10x10’ for $120 and the
Large - 11.5ft’ x 14.5’- $214 instead of $240.
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From the company :
The Fjallraven Abisko Tarp is made from lightweight, strong nylon. Practical as an accessory for tents but can also be used by itself as a shelter.
This 10 x 10’ tarp is made from light and very strong 40 D TripleRip Sil-Nylon fabric and includes Dyneema guylines. A tarp can be used together with a regular tent to create an outside living space but is also easy to use by itself as a shelter to sleep under.
Made for a lifetime of use.
Also easy to use by itself as a shelter from wind and rain.
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It’s disturbing how many companies we used to give so much praise. have fallen behind in quality. Thank you Luke. For giving us all the heads up.
*Fjallen behind in quality you mean
@@cb7677 lol
Or these companies were never the quality people make them out to be. Fjällräven is a casual, milquetoast outdoor brand, based in Sweden, where the climate overall is relatively mild. It works fine for that, but get the marketing department involved and suddenly people think it's some rugged outdoor brand because a few choice items are more durable than they're used to. You will never see Fjällräven or many other brands on actual expeditions, even though some pictures make some people think so.
The reviews and integrity found on this channel are without peer. Excellent, life saving / time saving / money saving information here.
Yep
Whenever I'm looking into New Gear I go to TOGR First 👍
Absolutely, Spot On! 👍
This guy is a gear head. He ABSOLUTELY speaks to help the uninformed from wasting time and money .
@@oldgrunt5569 Prove it. From what I can see, you're just a salty boy hating on someone. Grow up.
The MLA Handbook notes, “By convention, commas and periods that directly follow quotations go inside the closing quotation marks” (267).
Sil-sil products need to be seam sealed. It's just as simple as that.
You can't seam tape sil-sil, as current seam tapes won't adhere to silicone. Manufacturers don't want to seam seal, because it greatly extends the manufacturing time/complexity, as they need to leave it to cure before they can package it.
Most manufacturers who are using sil-sil materials simply state that you need to seam seal it yourself (or offer to seam seal for an extra charge). Sounds like Fjallraven didn't want to do that. Maybe they're positioning themselves more as a "lifestyle" product, assuming that their customers won't actually use their products in adverse weather.
Exactly. Sealseaming on SiNylon is a customer task.
Hi Luke! Hope you’re well and that you’re enjoying the outdoors, as always! We just came across your review on the Abisko Tarp and the windsack and we appreciate the transparent feedback. Our Field Test Coordinator has emailed you to get some more information on your experience and address your concerns directly - we obviously want to make this right. Hopefully hear from you soon! / The Fjällräven team
I don't understand his criticism of.the wind sack. He's treating it like a bivy when it's not..
@@oldgrunt5569damn😂😂😂
@@oldgrunt5569 Do you have proof that he lies? If not be careful or you might get a taste of your own medicine.
@@oldgrunt5569 That doesn't prove that he lies. That proves, at best, that his experience is different from yours. To prove a lie, you'd need to actually point to a misrepresentation of a fact and, furthermore, that this was an intentional misrepresentation (an attempt to deceive). I'm not sure you know what a lie is. When someone is wrong, it's not necessarily a lie. When someone hates your favorite product, it's not necessarily a lie.
@@oldgrunt5569 Forgot to take your medicine, grandpa?
Disappointed and surprised to hear it has performed so badly. I love Fjallraven products but won’t be going near this one. Thanks for the great and honest review.
I respect your honesty. That's why I love your channel. Thanks Luke
great review that the company should take notice of. We appreciate your time and thoughts on the products that can make our lives better and safer
Amen!
they won't take much notice. That is the ONE thing Luke over estimates. He is just one more dude on youtube rating gear. Companies won't make command decisions based on his opinion. He thinks they do, but they don't.
@@markthomas2436 Luke could provide a long list of companies that have contacted him after one of his review. Luke set a high bar when he was one of the first to call out MSR for their leaky tents.
@@markthomas2436jokes on you they email him, and did notice
For anyone looking for more recomendations. I can absolutelly recommend the DD hammocks 3x3m tarp as well. Might not be the lightest and it doesn't pack so small, but it's relatively cheap (I think I got it for around 60USD) and it's great quality for the money.
I like the cammo one,very good tarp.
They also have Superlight variant that stretch much like this Abisko, but without the leaking.
I've got 2 DD tarps. Good stuff.
@@rarous
I have the solo superlight and not noticed too much stretching.
I have the camo version, have used it many times
I have several pairs of Fjällräven trousers. Always loved them, but the newest pair I have is not built to the same standard as my older pairs. I guess they've gone the same way as a number of other historic outdoor brands...started chasing the "high street fashion" market to boost sales and lost sight of their core market.
Being from rhe UK, one if the things I love about my older Fjällräven trousers is that the right hand thigh pocket takes a standard UK Ordnance Survey map and closes fully. My newest pair takes the map but doesn't quite close. Looks as if they've shaved half a cm (1/4 inch) off the pocket length!
Luke, there is so much outdoor gear that is very overpriced and no huge advantage offered. Can you test and review some cheap alternatives? We were discussing using painters poles in place of Elephant poles……ideas like that. A lot of us use gear that has been re-purposed for camping. You did tests of the cheapest tents…..would love to see an extension of that concept.
Luke thank you for your videos and for your integrity. I've never seen a tarp stretch to the degree that this one does. I concur with your analysis. A shift has taken place in the manufacturing process with the manufacturer that suddenly has seriously compromised the quality of their product. My sincerest wish is that they see this video and take it to heart making the necessary changes needed to bring them back to previous quality levels.
I bought a tarp from AMOK. They claim the same, it's waterproof but, they still include a tube of seam sealant just in case you'd prefer to seal it. I love the tarp. I sealed it and it's been wonderful. The batwing shape seams to help the tarp in wind and staying taught. It also is available in a cool camo.
Thanks Luke, for taking your time, effort & Equipment to provide this agenda free review.
I've read all the comments up to this point.
I agree with many that said nice things about DD Tarps & AquaQuest Tarps.
I've often wondered how long guyout lines should be on my AquaQuest. I've just finished creating sufficient number of 10' long guyout lines that are with the tarp & stakes in its storage sack.
Warm Regards from Reno, Nevada.
I really do appreciate your agenda free channel and the time that you spend testing these products. I have three AquaQuest Defender tarps and they have never given me a problem. They are definitely heavy and cumbersome for the size but serve their purpose extremely well. In the versatility versus size and weight constraint debate I have found that a little extra weight and size can be beneficial if it protects you better in harsh conditions.
Awesome, logical review. I will stick with my USMC field tarp. It may weigh more and is bulkier but is bulletproof and cost less then $40.
Don't use dyneema on your guylines. It doesn't stretch so the tarp has to take all the stresses of wind and rain. If you use something like paracord, it's elastic and much gentler on the tarp.
Fjallraven have been making overpriced products for years based on the back of their Kanken bag and Ray Mears' name. I'm glad they're finally being outed.
I have plenty of great things from Fjallraven. Never heard of Ray Mears. Have zero interest in the Kanken.
In my experience, their jackets, pants and basic backpacks are great. Everything else is expensive just because of the logo and I'd never consider buying them.
@@aus87185+1
Keb Jacket & Pants are amazing for hiking in every weather. Also Keb72 backpack is excellent
@@aus87185- even their clothing is so overpriced compared to the quality, it's not even worth looking at anymore. At least not in Europe. Unfortunately there's too much of a focus on making money and not making great products. It's a shame (and yeah, I have 6 pairs of pants, 3 shorts and a couple of jackets). And I have to admit, that the craftsmanship quality is not what I would expect, given the price tag.
The G-1000 material is still comfortable to wear, but the durability of the products is definitely not impressive by any means. I hardly any know other die hard outdoor freaks that even look towards Fjällräven for new gear - and the brand used to be the go to standard...
@@christianrahbek4186 honestly if you have that many of their outdoor products and you've found their durability to be terrible, I'd love to know what you're doing in them. Genuinely.
I've spent countless hours hiking in mine in all kinds of conditions. 13hr day hikes, scrambling on sharp rock, slipping on ice and in snow, snow shoeing etc etc. You could still put them back on the shelf and nobody would know the difference. Pants and jackets both look flawless. Not so much as a stray thread.
In my experience, their actual outdoor gear is worth the higher price tag. Their streetwear though (t shirts, caps etc) are aimed at the fanboys who just want to rep the brand. I agree those are overpriced and it's why I don't own any.
I'm no expert but, from my experience and logic I'm thinking that stretch in lines means the wind jerks the tarp around more causing considerable stress on the tie off points. It seems stretch would not be wanted in the lines.
Thank you for calling them out. They sell their souls for money by cutting corners for cheaper manufacturing and higher profit margins -- all while charging the customer the same or more for an inferior product. On a side note, I bought a Teton Mountain Ultra 1 person tent and put out through the ringer over the last 2 weeks. Lots of rain, 30mph sustained winds, and not a single drop got in the tent. I was impressed! Thank you for always testing these things for us and letting us make informed purchases!
Thank you for that informative review. My 2nd tarp was a 10 x 10 silnylon, loved it, and then I started researching other materials, first cuben fiber, too expensive, then 10 x 12 silpoly, and for now, it is the way to go, went from 3.5lbs to 1.5lbs. All home made in the USA!
Thanks for the great review Luke. I am looking for a tarp to extend my truck tent so I can step out into the shelter of my kitchen area but an leery about pulling the trigger. Good to learn which ones to stay away from and which ones are in the running for my money. One Tigris may be the way I go.
Stay safe and God bless.
I like that Luke is not BS around. Within the first sentence or so, the tent is not worth it, bam. I still watch the entire video.
Thanks, Luke. Again, you have proven why you are hands down the best gear reviewer on youtube. I would really like you to review Some of the Mystery Ranch Bridger series packs. Cheers!
I can support that issue with Fjallraven. I bought a Abisko View 2 Tent last year as a (very pricy) follow up to many impressive Fjallraven product that I had in the past. I abolutely love the tent as a general concept. As obvious by the name, the tent is constructed similar to the Tarp and it has the same issues. Very fitting for a swedish company, my tent failed me during a heavy rain while camping in sweden. Nothing monsune like, just heavy rain which it should easily survive. I will give it another try after seamsealing everything myself, but this is absolutely unexceptable for a tent in that price category.
As there is a very positiv review for that tent (earlier fabrication date) on the TOGR channel as well, I would recommend to add a disclaimer,
Because of you reviews, I have a 10' x10' Aquaquest Defender and a 15' x' 15' too. For car camping, these work well and I don't have to mind the weight. If I was still able to backpack, weight would be a major factor and I would probably had considered getting this reviewed tarp, for the small pack size and lower weight. Even that stretch factor would be a hard sell, but with the amount of leaking around the stitching, I would have avoided this.
Thanks for your review and I hope people consider this before buying.
Thanks for the video and for sharing your thoughts and experience with us and thank you for the heads up on this product.
Purchased the Aquaquest safari 15x15 after watching your reviews and it has performed exceptional to provide shelter in high heat and high wind areas we have gone camping in recently.
Same with me, Aquaquest hasn't let me down at all
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As someone who's designed tarps and tents for over two decades. Many of which have won national and international awards and copied by competitors. I'll have this to say about silicone coated nylon tarps, or shelters made with any silicone coated fabrics. To ensure a waterproof seam, they need to be hand seam sealed. Standard seam tape does not stick to silicone. There is no factory applied seam sealing for these kind of shelters. And we deal with factories around the globe.
The advantage to silicone is that once sealed, it's sealed for life. Nor will it mold or mildew. Polyurethane coating will mold, mildew and in continued wet conditions, delaminate. The stretching is a function of the fabric weave and the fiber used in the rip stop. It will vary significantly depending upon the mill. In addition, because silicone penetrates into the woven fiber. It actually strengthens the fabric. Thus enhancing it's resistance to tear and allowing you to use a lighter fabric to achieve the same result. Polyurethane coating simply lies on top of the fabric and provide no structural support.
All that said. There are some fabrics that are polyurethane coated on one side and silicone on the other. This allows the panels to be seam taped. The problem is that they are subject to mold, mildew and delamination.
While the stretch is unfortunate and can be cause for a no go on purchase. The fact that it's not seam sealed shouldn't be. In our facilities, we hand seam seal thousands of tents each year for people. We also provide detailed instructions for how to perform this task both inexpensively and quickly.
Could go to harbor freight n get several tarps for that price n maybe last a couple years n save you a lot of money
That price tag is insane when a tarp with a similar weight and size is available from Paria, but that's only 1/3 the price. I also have a Kammock tarp which is similar, but a bit lighter.
THX for the heads up ! I need a new tent for this years adventure and was looking at fjällräven tents......after this no thanks ! Need to find another brand. Thanks for the review
I know hes a small cottage business, but im really so surprised that no one in these tarp videos ever mentions Cooke Custom Sewing. Dan Cooke's products are fantastic and total staples for trips here in canoe country.
The local canoe shop Rutabaga sells Cooke Custom Sewing tarps. I have heard very good things about them, but have no experience yet. I just looked at their Easton tarp poles last week and they seemed very reasonably priced
He’s not a cottage industry guy, he’s an Amazon/cheapest product channel. He peddles One Tigris and similar low end product/ affordable but not longevity gear.
Garage Grown Gear has great resources for what you are taking about and I agree.
Yes Fjallraven is premium and people say that there are cheaper alternatives, ok cool. I’ve had this tarp for two years and was surprised they didn’t seam seal it. However it took me twenty minutes and has held up without a flaw.
@@MillimeterMech What are you talking about cuz it isn't CCS.
Love that you keep it real. I would not buy it. I did like that it was light but not if its going to leak and sag
I bought a generic polyester(i believe) tarp a few yrs ago, i set it up and sprayed with a hose to see where it needed silicone spray. I sprayed those spots heavily and then gave the whole tarp a once over, its protected me from several SEVERE monsoon storms since then. 10×12 $35
gold armor(brand) the only thing is I wouldn't buy it today unless I had no choice because although its not 100% possible im attempting a Chinese boycott lol its not easy but damn, im trying
Thanks for you outstanding reviews.
Amazing honest review
Your service is truly appreciated!
When something like that "stretches" does it stay stretched out even afterwards or does it try to return to its original shape?
Very much appreciated this review, though i must say it was very surprising. I was looking at their products based on many of your previous reviews.
I have the 4X4 meter
DD TARP...Absolutely love it....been in down pours in Germany and Norway...not one leak or problems....I keep it in my auto along with other emergency equipment....
yo the minute i saw college girls on campus wearing the kanken backpack or w.e. was the moment i realized that fjall raven is longer for outdoors or quality products, they are now amazon hipster aesthetic
@fou201 they was even wearing the PANTS man. THE FUGGN PANTS that joe robinet wears
Was wondering if you could add some type of small Bungie cord tied to the paracord to keep from readjusting from sagging.
"DD HAMMOCKS" is the best tarp value out there. I'm amazed Luke didn't mention them.
Good evening from Syracuse NY brother and thank you for sharing your adventures and your equipment and the facts and truth
Thank you for keeping it real Luke. I use dd hamocks tarps, thay are great. The only Fjällräven products I own are clothes. I love them and they are superb. I will stay away from the tarps and wind sacks. 👍🏻
Excellent review. 👍
Excellent review as always and thank you for that. My question is whether there's a case here in respect of false or misleading advertising and the validity of this tarp being waterproof as stated?
Would silicone seam sealant fix the issue?
Thanks for the review. I was going to buy this however I’ve opted for a British army basher. I’ve used them for years and can’t pick any faults other than their weight. I’ve also just bought an abisko lite 3, first outing was in very heavy rain and I can confirm it is very waterproof.
As with all Sil/Sil products of all manufacturers, it is best to seam seal it. It's a 10 minute job and a child can do it...
Hello from Indiana USA and this 62 year old lady 😌. Love your videos 😊😍. Hello to you and your wife 👋💖. Great presentation of the information 😄. Thanks for sharing this with me.
The best ting that a tarp can give you is a shaded area and rain protected area just outSIDE of the tent. It can create a porch, if you will. Same thing the Arabs had on their tents thousands of years ago. You can bet they spent a lotta time up UNDER them... and not INSIDE that tent. Because the tent would have been just too damn HOT. Even today, that is what would make carrying THAT tarp with you worth its weight. Same as a camping chair. Inch by inch, day by day, year by year, your channel has grown, and your knowledge as well. You are now at the point of truly being a camping expert. You've seen the weight versus benefit problem of every piece of backpacking gear. I can't get my pack under 40 pounds-- because everything in it is NEEDED, and or WANTED. Yeah it is heavy, but at the end of the day I am well prepared, and well provisioned.
Hi Luke great review, I respect your honesty,thanks for sharing stay safe
hi, can you make a recommendation of what tarps are really good to use. waterproof windproof good for a shelter. at least 10 by 12 ft.
Luke do you or any of your subscribers have any recommendations for spray on UV protected for tents and tarps I have tested one brand Over a 6 month period of time with disappointing results Did not see any appreciable difference in color fading from treated and untreated material
Thanks! What do you think about Decathlon solognac bushcraft tarp?
After having a few dd tarps that always ripped or leaked on me, I went for the aquaquest defender after watching some videos about it (including yours) and with a few years of very regular use and a lot of abuse, its still going strong. Yes it's a bit heavy and big in comparison but there's never any doubt that it'll do exactly what i need it to. So thank you aquaquest and thank you for persuading me to get it. Please keep the great content coming.
Yup
I love mine too!
Good to know. Thanks.
I'm glad you made this video, I already have some tarps, but I'll avoid that one.
Earth shattering review of a product from a company we all know and love. I am certain they will address the issue and get back to you. Please let us know if they do. Strength and Honor, Luke!
As a Swede, Fjällräven is more about style and trends nowadays, Hilleberg is still making quality goods if you want a tent from Sweden. They are expensive though.
how well does it hold up to Hail and Heavy Winds? Does is hold up or Rip at the seams?
And will it hold up to falling sharp sticks from trees?
Thank you, Luke for your honesty
Thanks for the warning about FjallRaven!
Way to go on the recommendation on the guy line length. Where I go in Colorado, I don’t even carry stakes because at that length there’s always trees or logs to tie off to.
Luke, have you ever heard of DD Hammocks tarps? 190 T Polyester, PU treated 3000 mm waterproof coating... You are Honest, I like your reviews. Keep on the way!
I got the Hilleberg Namjat tent (and a polyester Hilleberg tarp), it's made from a similar nylon to what Fjällraven uses. The tent absolutely is waterproof, it just rocks in all conditions, I put in waay over a thousand nights in it and I love it...but man does that material stretch:-). You get the hang of it after a while and it just becomes second nature to adjust it betwwen it's max and min stretch cycle, that said it always goes back to normal (unlike my HennessyHammocks tarp, which stretches and has just stayed stretched ever since). It's a tiny hassle and I had forgotten it was a downside until you just mentioned it now. You're complaining of the price over there in the States, the European price is even more oouch:-D.
Great review as always mate.
Thank you. I have their pants and am very happy. Sometimes the cheap product works better. Maybe that they are manufacturing some where new?
What are you using for your poles?
@TheOutdoorGearReview, I’m impressed with my aqua quest safari XL. Saved my bacon last week at Acadia NP when I had to pull my truck tent off to drive around. Started raining when I got back so we decided to leave the tent on the ground. Driest, least muggy waterproof night so far, LOL!
I've had my 3x3 DD tarp from DD Hammocks since 2020. It has held up fantastic and was only $75.
DD Hammocks tarps are the best in the business, and they are very affordable...
hey Luke serious question, i was looking to buy the fjallraven poncho after watching your old review of it. After this video im unsure on wethe r or not i should risk it. Do you think it's worth the risk or should i look for something else? if so do you maybe have any recommendations as i will be going on a trip with heavy rainfall. Love your videos people like you are what keeps consumers from being scammed.
WOW, man... **thanks** for this! Much apreciated! 👍
We swedes should send a big thank you to Norway for the nature we've got. As we know ALL the water, soil, rocks, seeds, etc, drifted from the Norwegian side during the last ice ages. We could even say Sweden belongs to Norway and they've let us borrow their land for free. The very least thing we should do is to have a 3 day thankfulness parade every year to thank Norway for letting us live free on their land.
Thanks for the video and the review. Have you reviewed DD Hammocks? Thanks
High and thank you. I've thought about this tarp because of the weight. Kindly Fiete
I'm curious if a review of the Varusteleka tarp is on the radar. They are going for $160 to $190 USD. Not lightweight, but seem to going for the built like a tank market. Wonder how it compares to other tarps.
That’s too bad. I am extremely disappointed that Fjallraven has dropped the ball on this. I was considering this tarp for this summer’s trips. Not now…. Will go to Aquaquest instead. Thank you for this review!
I recommend aqua quest their tarps from the lightweight to the heavy duty defenders are amazing and their warranty is even better. I purchased on Amazon and I had slight tearing of the stitching on the center tie out, and they replaced it. No questions asked. I’m glad they didn’t ask questions, because the tearing was absolutely my fault and not the fault of the tarp or manufacturer. Also they didn’t ask me to send in the one I broke and a little Shoe Goo later I have an extra tarp for what ever.
Hi Luke thank you for your videos and I ❤❤your honest reviews. Please keep your videos coming Linda in Alberta Canada ❤❤
Wow! That is a big letdown. I agree that Aqua Quest makes incredible tarps. I've used an AQ Safari 10X10 For years from stealth camping to camping in my van as an awning. I've experienced zero issues with rain or wind. Before downsizing to live the van life, I had a dozen different tarps including military surplus tarps. The Safari was the only tarp I kept.
Whats the price is it silk and gold
Bought a Hyperlite Mountain Gear dyneema tarp...
Costs $450 but was worth it.
Dyneema is hydrophobic, means it doesn't absorb water...and it doesn't stretch at all.
love it!
Thanks for the warning!
Hi Luke, Hope all is well with you and your family. So no way would I spend that money on a tarp that leaks and even that size I wouldn't. I have the Onetigris tarp and the Helikon Tex tarp and a couple the Aqua Quest tarps and these all have proven to me to be superior to me as much as I use them, great tarps for the money. I don't buy much Fjallraven stuff, I have a couple of pants with them and that is it, they are good but I get along just fine with buying a lot cheaper brands out here. Thanks for the review great work. Stay Safe my freind.
Hi Luke I have just purchased a Fjällräven dome 2 Keb tent. I have not used yet about to winter camp on Dartmoor! Wish I had your info earlier. Look forward to your reviews. Steve
I got the aqua quest 15x15 defender it’s awesome, also have 10x10 bushcraft Spain oilskin which I love, that’s why I don’t mind the weight
Dear Luke... thanks for the pro´s and cons! :-)
their stuff is just insanely overpriced
Yuppie hiking
Indeed
In fairness they do make some good kit! DD tarps brilliant.
Yeah, and even their pants and stuff lost quality over the last couple of years. Just expensive and a fancy name, that's it nowadays. They supposed to make good stuff, but those times are gone.
@@Thedagda801 DD is not Fjallräven... but they make the best tarps. from cheap polyester, btw.
Try out a DD superlight. Cheap, light and does the job perfectly. I've been using one for years, zero issues.
After watching this review, I would now prefer to invest in a DD Hammocks 3 x 3 Tarp. They are high quality. Great review, thanks! : )
Did you reach out to them? This is fantastic feedback that their product managers and engineers need to see.
I like DD as a brand personally. Got a 3x3 meter tarp that I love.
Personally, i dont own a Fjallraven tarp, and at those costs, i doubt i would either! While weight is precious, i have noticed when ever you go very (ultra) light this tends to be the result - stretching and leaking - you have to ask what is the point ! Thanks for the review Like , these are things everyone needs to know about.
I loved Fjallraven stuff, I actually own a couple of tents and their pants. Never had this tarp though as I prefer Aqua Quest but it’s disappointing if Fjallraven has failed so dramatically. Now I question will my tents leak. I trust Luke’s opinion over any review as he has never lied or try to sell us any products. Time to test my tents again..
Nice and honest review! It would be great if you can review the DD Superlight
Tarp!
I bought one of these on the back of your first look Luke but not used it yet as have a few fav tarps I use ……my OEX is better than this, glad I caught the update as I’ll now not take it out in bad weather etc. Saved me some pain 👍👍
OMG Ray will be annoyed! LOL Seriously I am surprised and disappointed at Fjallraven. I value your views and opinions Thanks for sharing
Based upon this young man's recommendation; A couple years ago I purchased the Aqua Quest Defender Tarp - 100% Waterproof Heavy Duty Nylon Bushcraft Survival Shelter - 13 x 10 ft Camo Kit for about $130. (Now they're around $150) It's a heavier tarp at 4.2 pounds but it's just what I needed for my particular needs/conditions. (heavy rain and snow} I've not had any problems at all with it. 🌧🌨🌩❄🤪
I'm in fond of military kind of overbuild. The description gives my mind chubs
Aquaquest defender would probably survive a hailstorm. Excellent products.
@@asmith7876 I agree. And if you are going to depend on a tarp for your shelter, that is, to protect your life, a couple extra pounds is not a big deal.
Thanks!
I have a new Fjallraven tent (Abisko Lite 1) and so far it seems fine. It did come with seam sealant but I haven't yet used it, but I will do. It does stretch though - I have gone from the polyester Jack Wolfskin Gossamer 2 to this tent and the stretching is really there.
Great example of some times you don't get what you pay for .
Companies are going on the cheap but want the big bucks .
Solution watch this channel 😁
Good job as all ways 👍