I enjoy your content and I've reached 60 sigils but i find the rewards aren't worth the grind and I'm completely f2p and most of my units are 10+ and I only have 2 talents so far. Some stages are incredibly time consuming and the Ai are completely overpowered. A few levels throwing silly amounts of minis at the start. I understand about changing up your teams and having a good strategy to beat a level but i think its mostly luck that you beat that level. I feel like I've hit a wall. I want to enjoy the game but i find it incredibly frustrating at times and feel the game screws you over. Poor rewards, constant disconnections, long loading times. Overall poor execution and game development. 100% cash grab. Enjoy the game fams✌🏼
I don't disagree that it gets frustrating etc. But to get to 60 sigils, how many hours of entertainment did you get? I'd wager it was a lot. If you think about the fact they gave you all that for free, then I think your complaints about a cash grab are unfounded.
I'll stop hitting walls when the enemy stops putting out groups of strong units that defy the gold economy. I don't feel like I pass any of the later maps out of playing smart, just dumb luck or the AI goofed up.
Nahh, they follow gold count, i thought so too, till i reviewed the gameplay, we forget the ai knows the perfect times for gold collection and like basically has no ping, soo gold advantage to the ai
There are stages that do add additional enemies that don't cost the AI any gold as part of their mechanic. IDK if the TC was referring to those necessarily though. There are also other types of mechanics that generally give the enemy an advantage that won't always be additional units. Because computer AI is limited these advantages are put in to help balance the encounter for the recommended level but more importantly to differentiate the fights so it's not just about using the same minis and the same strategies over and over again. Overall I would say the game is very balanced for the recommended levels but you do need to use the right types of units and the right strategy. You can't just hope to win everything with the same exact minis every single time. I'm frequently able to clear things that are yellow to me, occasionally those that are orange, but almost never anything that is red. If I use the wrong minis I may struggle against stages that are green or even grey to me.
I got stuck around 66 sigils with free to play. I think raids will be out of reach for free to play. I dont even mind spending a small amount of money but i think you need to drop a few hundred at least to get a decent mini level.
The game is 30$, (or what ever the booster costs in usd). Playing any other way will keep you so far behind or waste your time. Other games treat f2p better
I am at 58 sigils and have grinded my quests out. I am hard stuck on the double monkey boss. Have been now for like 5 days. I guess it is a skill issue. The only thing I have purchased is the arclight booster. I just got my 2nd non hero mini a talent. I have a talent for Abomination and one for Earth Elemental. I did spread myself a little thin picking up a star or two on various mini's I would like to eventually get talents for. I have grinded out about 2k honor, 1k on two different heroes. Seen the next big reward was not gold and stopped. I generally agree. As a mostly ftp player you will hit a few small walls in your progression to 50 sigils but they can be overcome. And it will feel really good to overcome those challenges. For me, Un'Goro has been the biggest wall and getting exp for mini's to take them beyond level 10 is pretty massive. Sure, I have a few beyond level 10 with my highest being 13. But most mini's are level 10. And I think most people will hit a hard wall right here somewhere between where I am and where you are in the video - 58-63 sigils. I think the arclight events are great and give a generous amount of gold even if you do not have the arclight booster. Catching up is possible but it's a slow process. I think they should remove the limit on quests. Even if you had unlimited it would still be an insane time investment but you would have a path to take when it comes to eventually overcoming a fight in the campaign. I think it's very important that ftp has a way to grind and not be so far behind in some way. Mini levels in PVP need to be capped for all tiers that include gold, hero and unit rewards. If your whaling you don't need those rewards. The honor grind could still be high and the caps still very hard to reach for new players. And you could still be at a talent advantage/disadvantage. Just have exp and a leaderboard as rewards for the whales. If they made those two changes I think the game would be in a really good state and the gap between whales and minnows wouldn't be so wide.
I have a guide for the double monkey boss right here on this channel by the way: ruclips.net/video/WQFVUUbN_0w/видео.htmlsi=jxerI4hFkJGkS2XI Tonight, I cleared the first two bosses in Winterspring, so I'm a little ahead of where I was when making the video. Cannot do Devilsaur Queen yet though.
Once you get talents for all units, you can be somehow competitive. Before it, it's really hard. 3k PVP points is what i'd say is the point where a F2P should stop grinding.
Even after 2k honor its really hard, I only have a handfull of units that even get to the level 5 cap. Sitting on 2k honor with 3 leaders now and hit a hard wall
I am 101 sigils and I am stuck in pve need to wait dungeon weeks for undead and beast teams to keep progressing. It is free to play friendly in my opinion just concept of game is to play over longer period of time. I am already asking myself when I complete all pve then what? Wait for raids and just pvp? Thats allready kinda boring wait for new heroes for what pvp? I think they need to add more pve content like outland, northrend etc
At Blizzcon, Blizzard spent a lot of time talking about how their vision for Rumble is as a co-op game and Raids will be the first game mode towards that. I hope there will be a lot more like them to come, also for lower levels.
I'm stuck at 64 sigils with most of my minis 3lvls below the enemies. I only have leaders of 3 factions available, so i can't get gold from heroics now
F2P is possible in general(but the experience isnt the best especially early on when you are missing talents), but its impossible to upgrade every minion to epic or even legendary, as this requires huge amounts of gold, that will take F2P players years to get.
That is the major concern to me. In PvP most breaking points tend to be at 2 levels. Often, 1 level difference does not fundamentally change the interaction. However, with a 2 level difference, your opponent must have no clue what they're doing to stand a chance. Currently, as f2p-player (even with booster and maybe buying a few packs) you won't be able to reach level 9 (so far ever) with all or even most minis. Level 8 PvP seems to be what you can expect as a grinding F2P-player within the next months. If the ladder shifts towards level 10s being the norm to compete in higher levels, f2p won't be able to participate.
I’ve played quite a few mobile games as f2p and this one feels a little better than most. If you plan on playing this for months-years just getting the arc booster is all you need. I’ve gotten really far in brawl stars as f2p since that game launched. Rumble feels the same. If you’re smart with your progression and focus on good minis and don’t waste resources on the bad ones. You can compete just fine. Only bottleneck is your level. Just hyper focus on your decks while leveling collections when ya can. I’m at 96 sigils and 25 collection level since launch with just buying the arc booster. I use 6-7 same minis in all heroics. I put all large tomes into those.
Gave it a try this day and I had to drop it after 30min only because of how much my phone heats up and how quickly battery drains. Only other game I had similar experience like this was Master Duel. Really disappointed in Blizzard...
I’ve been playing since launch as free to play and loving it. I’m actually a little farther then you with 67 sigils and about 30 heroic sigils. The best thing they did is give you the option to skip bosses you get stuck on. I still haven’t killed devilsaur queen but cleared the entire next zone and half of plaguelands because I just had an easier time finding a good strategy for those later bosses. I have no beast heroes so look forward to getting a big boost when I unlock the last family and polish off the first two zones worth of heroics.
@@wolololer Yeah it's pretty frustrating, I think they just need to tweak the hero choice reward to better ensure everyone gets a chance of picking up at least 1 of each family. I got heroes for every other family that way but unlucky RNG means I haven't seen one. I'm trying to take the long view - It's only been two weeks and I'll guaranteed have one in another two, which long term is a small fraction of the time I'll put in the game.
same here.. No beast Leader. Now I know this was intentional. I mean what are the odds??? we get like 2 of every other factions but no Beast? yea right. its rigged.
Yeah, I agree with the sentiment that the campaign is actually well built. Hell I'd even propose they make the beginning areas harder to give it more of the same challenge that comes with the rest of the game (but I guess you can get that from heroic). With that being said, I think the total rewards could be doubled and it wouldn't hurt anyone. I'm at 64 sigils currently and it takes quite a lot of exp to level up a mini. After level 11 every mini requires over 1k exp and it exponentially gets bigger with each level. Even the epic quests feel like nothing at that point.
I'm finding it really difficult to progress after completing un'goro, and I don't know what I'm doing wrong that I'm at 60 sigils and I don't have any minis with talents yet, apart from the one leader they give a free talent to.
I'm getting to those bosses on my F2P run this week, so we'll see what we can do. On my paid account I cleared them with talents, but that's not very helpful for a F2P.
I found that I had to try different leaders and minis in order to complete a lot of stages. I think some minis are just wildly disadvantaged against certain encounters. For example, I was able to make a lot of progress with Tirion + Footmen but then ran into some stages where they would just get absolutely melted and had to switch to different minis and leaders. If you've been pretty consistently using the same units I'd say try to think about why they're not working and what might work better. For example if your key units are armored and now you're fighting a lot of enemies that deal elemental damage.
@@OldGuardianmind me asking you if you leveled all your minis or focused on 6 and one hero? im new, sitting at 57 sigils and having to grind A LOT to progress (barely 2 weeks in game, i think this is my third arclight...) i might also buy the booster, cuz the game's fine and its not that expensive in brazil (i mean, its the same cost of a normal game i would buy on steam or something)
F2p here on 45 sigils, been building safe pilot & welpeggs to uncommon, but guess what? Never got lucky on talent, only got else than flameburst & gnomish from the grid.. and i was forced to buy more and more useless stuffs til i got that 2 broken talent mybe in mid2024 #FMf2pL
Calling this game a free to play friendly is a joke. Of course you can get some weeks of fun gaming. But we have soo much real free to play games in the world, why should someone spend time with this. I respect your opinion, but defending these kind of practices is what hurts the gaming industry.
Many people have more money than they do time. Those people that like winning in games, prefer paying to win.. or being able to pay to compensate for their inability to invest hours upon hours of grinding. Those people tend to be away from their pc. PC games will never go p2w, mobile games will never go f2p. "Hurting the gaming industry" is just not founded in any reality at all.. spitting money at things is fun.. thats why things like slot machines and Pokemon cards are successful.. if you want to play games that are f2p on the go, buy a Switch
The main hurdle I encounter as a F2P is where to get gold. You get a lot at start while you re progressing campaign but then it just stops. Any advice?
Each Heroic campaign mission gives you 200 coins when you complete it with all families. Arclight Surges are 800 coins per week. There are some hundreds in low-mmr PvP rewards too.
I haven’t spent a dime on this game. 10500 honor and 96 sigils. Just getting bored and barely play anymore. I did however start on soft launch and played like crazy then.
Way too hard for a mobile game for sure. I have bought the arclight booster and the game still feels extremely grindy. I imagine it's even worse for completely f2p.
Bro, we are not expecting it to be easy, but, there is an obvious wall for free-to-play players. Also the edge you get for being pay-to-win is too great. They need to fix this else the game wont go far.
I enjoy your content and I've reached 60 sigils but i find the rewards aren't worth the grind and I'm completely f2p and most of my units are 10+ and I only have 2 talents so far. Some stages are incredibly time consuming and the Ai are completely overpowered. A few levels throwing silly amounts of minis at the start. I understand about changing up your teams and having a good strategy to beat a level but i think its mostly luck that you beat that level. I feel like I've hit a wall. I want to enjoy the game but i find it incredibly frustrating at times and feel the game screws you over. Poor rewards, constant disconnections, long loading times. Overall poor execution and game development. 100% cash grab. Enjoy the game fams✌🏼
I don't disagree that it gets frustrating etc. But to get to 60 sigils, how many hours of entertainment did you get? I'd wager it was a lot. If you think about the fact they gave you all that for free, then I think your complaints about a cash grab are unfounded.
I'll stop hitting walls when the enemy stops putting out groups of strong units that defy the gold economy. I don't feel like I pass any of the later maps out of playing smart, just dumb luck or the AI goofed up.
Nahh, they follow gold count, i thought so too, till i reviewed the gameplay, we forget the ai knows the perfect times for gold collection and like basically has no ping, soo gold advantage to the ai
There are stages that do add additional enemies that don't cost the AI any gold as part of their mechanic. IDK if the TC was referring to those necessarily though. There are also other types of mechanics that generally give the enemy an advantage that won't always be additional units.
Because computer AI is limited these advantages are put in to help balance the encounter for the recommended level but more importantly to differentiate the fights so it's not just about using the same minis and the same strategies over and over again.
Overall I would say the game is very balanced for the recommended levels but you do need to use the right types of units and the right strategy. You can't just hope to win everything with the same exact minis every single time. I'm frequently able to clear things that are yellow to me, occasionally those that are orange, but almost never anything that is red. If I use the wrong minis I may struggle against stages that are green or even grey to me.
@@zilch-warcraft-rumble they can spawn 2 same units in a row...
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I got stuck around 66 sigils with free to play. I think raids will be out of reach for free to play. I dont even mind spending a small amount of money but i think you need to drop a few hundred at least to get a decent mini level.
The game is 30$, (or what ever the booster costs in usd). Playing any other way will keep you so far behind or waste your time. Other games treat f2p better
I am at 58 sigils and have grinded my quests out. I am hard stuck on the double monkey boss. Have been now for like 5 days. I guess it is a skill issue. The only thing I have purchased is the arclight booster. I just got my 2nd non hero mini a talent. I have a talent for Abomination and one for Earth Elemental. I did spread myself a little thin picking up a star or two on various mini's I would like to eventually get talents for. I have grinded out about 2k honor, 1k on two different heroes. Seen the next big reward was not gold and stopped.
I generally agree. As a mostly ftp player you will hit a few small walls in your progression to 50 sigils but they can be overcome. And it will feel really good to overcome those challenges. For me, Un'Goro has been the biggest wall and getting exp for mini's to take them beyond level 10 is pretty massive. Sure, I have a few beyond level 10 with my highest being 13. But most mini's are level 10. And I think most people will hit a hard wall right here somewhere between where I am and where you are in the video - 58-63 sigils. I think the arclight events are great and give a generous amount of gold even if you do not have the arclight booster. Catching up is possible but it's a slow process.
I think they should remove the limit on quests. Even if you had unlimited it would still be an insane time investment but you would have a path to take when it comes to eventually overcoming a fight in the campaign. I think it's very important that ftp has a way to grind and not be so far behind in some way. Mini levels in PVP need to be capped for all tiers that include gold, hero and unit rewards. If your whaling you don't need those rewards. The honor grind could still be high and the caps still very hard to reach for new players. And you could still be at a talent advantage/disadvantage. Just have exp and a leaderboard as rewards for the whales. If they made those two changes I think the game would be in a really good state and the gap between whales and minnows wouldn't be so wide.
I have a guide for the double monkey boss right here on this channel by the way: ruclips.net/video/WQFVUUbN_0w/видео.htmlsi=jxerI4hFkJGkS2XI
Tonight, I cleared the first two bosses in Winterspring, so I'm a little ahead of where I was when making the video. Cannot do Devilsaur Queen yet though.
Once you get talents for all units, you can be somehow competitive. Before it, it's really hard. 3k PVP points is what i'd say is the point where a F2P should stop grinding.
Even after 2k honor its really hard, I only have a handfull of units that even get to the level 5 cap. Sitting on 2k honor with 3 leaders now and hit a hard wall
I am 101 sigils and I am stuck in pve need to wait dungeon weeks for undead and beast teams to keep progressing. It is free to play friendly in my opinion just concept of game is to play over longer period of time. I am already asking myself when I complete all pve then what? Wait for raids and just pvp? Thats allready kinda boring wait for new heroes for what pvp? I think they need to add more pve content like outland, northrend etc
At Blizzcon, Blizzard spent a lot of time talking about how their vision for Rumble is as a co-op game and Raids will be the first game mode towards that. I hope there will be a lot more like them to come, also for lower levels.
I'm stuck at 64 sigils with most of my minis 3lvls below the enemies. I only have leaders of 3 factions available, so i can't get gold from heroics now
F2P is possible in general(but the experience isnt the best especially early on when you are missing talents), but its impossible to upgrade every minion to epic or even legendary, as this requires huge amounts of gold, that will take F2P players years to get.
That is the major concern to me. In PvP most breaking points tend to be at 2 levels. Often, 1 level difference does not fundamentally change the interaction. However, with a 2 level difference, your opponent must have no clue what they're doing to stand a chance. Currently, as f2p-player (even with booster and maybe buying a few packs) you won't be able to reach level 9 (so far ever) with all or even most minis. Level 8 PvP seems to be what you can expect as a grinding F2P-player within the next months. If the ladder shifts towards level 10s being the norm to compete in higher levels, f2p won't be able to participate.
I’ve played quite a few mobile games as f2p and this one feels a little better than most. If you plan on playing this for months-years just getting the arc booster is all you need.
I’ve gotten really far in brawl stars as f2p since that game launched. Rumble feels the same. If you’re smart with your progression and focus on good minis and don’t waste resources on the bad ones. You can compete just fine. Only bottleneck is your level. Just hyper focus on your decks while leveling collections when ya can.
I’m at 96 sigils and 25 collection level since launch with just buying the arc booster. I use 6-7 same minis in all heroics. I put all large tomes into those.
Gave it a try this day and I had to drop it after 30min only because of how much my phone heats up and how quickly battery drains.
Only other game I had similar experience like this was Master Duel. Really disappointed in Blizzard...
I’ve been playing since launch as free to play and loving it. I’m actually a little farther then you with 67 sigils and about 30 heroic sigils. The best thing they did is give you the option to skip bosses you get stuck on. I still haven’t killed devilsaur queen but cleared the entire next zone and half of plaguelands because I just had an easier time finding a good strategy for those later bosses. I have no beast heroes so look forward to getting a big boost when I unlock the last family and polish off the first two zones worth of heroics.
@@wolololer Yeah it's pretty frustrating, I think they just need to tweak the hero choice reward to better ensure everyone gets a chance of picking up at least 1 of each family. I got heroes for every other family that way but unlucky RNG means I haven't seen one. I'm trying to take the long view - It's only been two weeks and I'll guaranteed have one in another two, which long term is a small fraction of the time I'll put in the game.
same here.. No beast Leader. Now I know this was intentional. I mean what are the odds??? we get like 2 of every other factions but no Beast? yea right. its rigged.
Well, the game is F2P friendly in one of ~3 days for ~20-30 minutes when you can farm gold
Yeah, I agree with the sentiment that the campaign is actually well built. Hell I'd even propose they make the beginning areas harder to give it more of the same challenge that comes with the rest of the game (but I guess you can get that from heroic). With that being said, I think the total rewards could be doubled and it wouldn't hurt anyone. I'm at 64 sigils currently and it takes quite a lot of exp to level up a mini. After level 11 every mini requires over 1k exp and it exponentially gets bigger with each level. Even the epic quests feel like nothing at that point.
in heroics you will get a lot of xp
There's no reason they can't let collection level boost the combat experience reward, so hopefully they implement it later
@@flnfct5968 Still not enough though, a mega tome doesn't even level up 1 unit, unless it hits the same unit twice.
Just imagine that some people donated for 18 lvl army
F2P? i mean you got to bought the arclight booster to actually play or the game will just imprison your gold.
I'm finding it really difficult to progress after completing un'goro, and I don't know what I'm doing wrong that I'm at 60 sigils and I don't have any minis with talents yet, apart from the one leader they give a free talent to.
I'm getting to those bosses on my F2P run this week, so we'll see what we can do. On my paid account I cleared them with talents, but that's not very helpful for a F2P.
I found that I had to try different leaders and minis in order to complete a lot of stages. I think some minis are just wildly disadvantaged against certain encounters. For example, I was able to make a lot of progress with Tirion + Footmen but then ran into some stages where they would just get absolutely melted and had to switch to different minis and leaders.
If you've been pretty consistently using the same units I'd say try to think about why they're not working and what might work better. For example if your key units are armored and now you're fighting a lot of enemies that deal elemental damage.
@@OldGuardianmind me asking you if you leveled all your minis or focused on 6 and one hero? im new, sitting at 57 sigils and having to grind A LOT to progress (barely 2 weeks in game, i think this is my third arclight...) i might also buy the booster, cuz the game's fine and its not that expensive in brazil (i mean, its the same cost of a normal game i would buy on steam or something)
F2p here on 45 sigils, been building safe pilot & welpeggs to uncommon, but guess what? Never got lucky on talent, only got else than flameburst & gnomish from the grid.. and i was forced to buy more and more useless stuffs til i got that 2 broken talent mybe in mid2024 #FMf2pL
i have 64 sigils and the entire Elwynn Forest heroic campaings complete. Without any single dollar spent.
Calling this game a free to play friendly is a joke. Of course you can get some weeks of fun gaming. But we have soo much real free to play games in the world, why should someone spend time with this. I respect your opinion, but defending these kind of practices is what hurts the gaming industry.
Many people have more money than they do time. Those people that like winning in games, prefer paying to win.. or being able to pay to compensate for their inability to invest hours upon hours of grinding. Those people tend to be away from their pc. PC games will never go p2w, mobile games will never go f2p. "Hurting the gaming industry" is just not founded in any reality at all.. spitting money at things is fun.. thats why things like slot machines and Pokemon cards are successful.. if you want to play games that are f2p on the go, buy a Switch
I am f2p, I just don’t expect to compete with most paid players in pvp. Mainly interested in pve for fun
Its a hard game for f2p indeed, but you can see people with overleveld composition beating 99% of the content with almoust zero difficulty lol
So what is your final thought?
Yes, F2P is possible for PvE and below-3k MMR per leader in PvP.
The main hurdle I encounter as a F2P is where to get gold. You get a lot at start while you re progressing campaign but then it just stops. Any advice?
Each Heroic campaign mission gives you 200 coins when you complete it with all families. Arclight Surges are 800 coins per week. There are some hundreds in low-mmr PvP rewards too.
@@OldGuardian Oki thanks, will need to level up some alt families then, I thought hc campaiggn only gives exp.
I agree but heroic campaing at your level is veeery difficult, please more guides :-)
I found the best team ever for Dockmaster tonight, did it with all families with basically the same team. Guide coming tomorrow!
I haven’t spent a dime on this game. 10500 honor and 96 sigils. Just getting bored and barely play anymore. I did however start on soft launch and played like crazy then.
Oh and I got to 10500 honor before the level changes which was harder back then
F2P is possible but a hard hard grind. The game makes it too easy to just spend money and get ahead
Way too hard for a mobile game for sure. I have bought the arclight booster and the game still feels extremely grindy. I imagine it's even worse for completely f2p.
It’s definitely not easy but I like it. From forums it seems people just expect to breeze through the campaign.
Bro, we are not expecting it to be easy, but, there is an obvious wall for free-to-play players. Also the edge you get for being pay-to-win is too great. They need to fix this else the game wont go far.
Nope, its an pay to win platform, it will increase in difficulty until you are forced to pay to win. Its in its design.
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Card games have never been cheap. Magic the Gathering is an expensive hobby too.