CAN WE CRITICISE THE RULERS ?| BR SHAMSI AND BR Daniel Haqiqatjou | speakers corner
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Why doesn't Shamsi just answer such a simple question?? Does he not realise the more he avoids it, the more suspect he comes across as?
Shamshi alhumdullilah is very clear and can answer but point wise
Questions can be answered but in conversations like this when questions are used for digressing from the actual point is not correct Daniel actions show that he was avoiding to talk and reply on the point
And he Daniel is proven to be a liar
@@irfanlokhandwala4823 All Shamsi should have said was Yes or No, a one-word answer, but he refused. Was it too much for him to answer in less than a second?
@@irfanlokhandwala4823 shamsi has not learnt from scholars that's why
@@WillScarlet1991 on such issues there is no yes and no it needs to be elaborated to understand
@@maxpain5555 he’s the only one who supports his claims from the quran and sunnah and gives names of scholars what they have said about the topic
Whereas the other guy no quran and sunnah infact rejecting the quran and sunnah
Brother shamsi is a master at interrupting 😂 my goodness let the man talk!
Both were interrupting..
This is al ie they were interrupting him all the time
@@user-rh6js5kn9d yes, no one was interputing Daniel except Shamsi. But when Shamsi spoke 5 we interrupting him. So I don't blame Shamsi for rasing his voice to stop them.
At this point im not liking shamsi, when he'll be debating non muslims that's the time i'll only be supporting him.
You wouldn't have liked the imams of sunnah too
Look for the video
Why the imans of sunnah refute innovators more than non Muslims
By Shaykh Salih aal-alshaykh
It is a difficult topic, but I am with brother Daniel on this one.
Be with the Qur’an and Sunnah, not your emotions
@@actioncookiez3564that's the point shamsi never actually detail3d what that was here
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Exactly
@@actioncookiez3564 the correct interpretation and application, which Shamsi does not do lol
@@actioncookiez3564Don't be with Satan, be with Quran and Sunna.
May Allah guide us to the straight path
An honest observation (and not an ad hominem) of Shamsi, and an explanation why I don't like watching his videos.
Shamsi suffers from a grotesque inability to speak with
tranquility and eloquence. He's hectically stringing words together, non-stop, and it detracts from the
points he's trying to communicate. It comes across as
disingenuous, as if a charlatan's trying to convince you
to buy his Chinese snake oil. I'm NOT calling him
fraudulent, but that's how many people
subconsciously judge. He also focusses too much on
bystanders, frantically looking around with eyebrows raised and eyes wide open, making eye contact;
almost begging for approval or forcing support. I don't
know why he does that, I think he's afraid of losing his audience. He needs to calm down, pay his direct interlocutor better attention, and respond to questions.
He's constantly asking for direct quotes and scholarly references, knowing damn well that his interlocutor can't access source material or do a quick search, on the spot. Nor would you expect them to memorize volumes, that they can just produce, from memory, some scholarly quote pertaining to an incidental topic that's being discussed. It makes Shamsi sound scholarly, and it makes his opponent look less knowledgeable. I think it's kinda ridiculous, as it automatically implies that "no scholar ever said that" and that this is something Shamsi knows for certain.
That might be the case, sometimes, but he does it on a regular basis, and you wouldn't actually have the kind of knowledge to make the claim; or rather, to imply that you know for sure, that "no scholar ever wrote about that", or "no scholar ever expressed that opinion". Whenever he does that, he's indirectly claiming to know for certain that the quote he's asking for cannot be produced, which implies that he has a detailed knowledge of every scholar's writings, views, statements, beliefs, definitions, etc., which is impossible. That, I think, is subtly manipulative. An easy way to 'score points".
It also implies that all valid opinions concerning all possible topics have already been written down, and that if you can't find something in the books, then it's false by default. This is nonsensical, as it would effectively mean that whenever scholars (in our past) addressed topics that arose in accordance with the changing times; their work would also be, by definition, erroneous, because the scholars who preceded them didn't write about it, since it hadn't become a relevant topic yet. I think that Shamsi sometimes hides behind this "scholars" argument, because it makes him look academic and meticulous, and in full agreement with (all) scholarly opinions, and it shuts down his interlocutor's case.
Another thing he often does is, mention names of scholars, and a book they wrote, saying: "Such and such said this and that.", and then he mentions a book title, but leaves it at that. Then he paraphrases them, supposedly, but he'll just repeat his own words;
strengthening his own words, by adding a name and a title to it. I don't hear him giving any actual verbatim quotes or references, besides naming a scholar and a book, which is precise enough to sound convincing to the audence, but too vague to actually convince a keen listener. If you're so incessant concerning scholars' statements, then at least YOU provide the actual quotes, and lead by example. It's possible, after all, that he himself misunderstands a statement, or that he interprets something with a specific perspective or bias in mind. But you can't check it, because while he's constantly demanding quotes and sources, he doesn't give you any. And nobody's going to pick up the book he mentioned in passing and read through it, just to see where he got his quote from.
"Digressing" means "sidestepping", or "deviating", and he's using this term whenever he doesn't want to answer a question or respond to a point, which I think is really just an easy way for him to dismiss said points and inquiries. People notice that, and so it quickly becomes annoying whenever he claims Daniel's digressing. I've never liked listening to Shamsi, and that's because of how he carries himself in a discussion, not because I inherently dislike him or always disagree with him. My point is just that his demeanor isn't very pleasant, and that's problematic when you're a public speaker. Something he should work on, imo.
(This Text was written by @XaeeD)
That's a lot of hate. I would have no issue with what you said but the biggest problem you have is Shamsi is quoting quran and sunnah upon the understanding of the salaf. To hate Shamsi speech that much tells us enough about you and the hate you have for what he quotes. The content it the most important thing and you did said anything you could to discredit it. Subhanallah
So many people have accept Islam through Shamsi with the permission of Allah the Exalted. The brothers in the park can learn a thing or two from Shamsi. Yet "you" don't like his approach.. Subhanallah
May Allah guide me and you
@@southernrealist5789 wallahi brother the madkhalis are dangerous. Watch the video of Daniel Haqiqatjou about madkhalis.
Br shamsi is tripping here. I mean We can’t criticise Islamic rulers ? But still respect to him and brother Daniel. Let’s refrain from insults.
These juhaal would have sided with Yazid in killing the grandson of the Prophet (S).
The are many hadith sahih from many narrators stating you should listen and obey the oppressive Muslim ruler. The quran and sunnah are infallible. We have Certainty from them.
A good lecture to listen to understand this matter is:
The Nature of ruler and rulership in islam by Shaykh Abu iyaad
The prophet salahallah alaihi wasallam's wasn't tripping when he said:
The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "You will have rulers some of whom you approve and some of whom you will disapprove. He who dislikes them will be safe, and he who expresses disapproval will be safe, but he who is pleased and follows them (will be indeed sinful)". His audience asked: "Shall we not fight them?" He replied, "No, as long as they establish Salat amongst you".
the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said:
“Whoever obeys me, obeys Allah, And whoever disobeys me, disobeys Allah. Whoever obeys the ruler, obeys me, and whoever disobeys the ruler, disobeys me.”
The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Whoever disapproves of something done by his ruler then he should be patient, for whoever disobeys the ruler even a little (little = a span) will die as those who died in the Pre-lslamic Period of Ignorance. (i.e. as rebellious Sinners).
Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "You should listen to and obey, your ruler even if he was an Ethiopian (black) slave whose head looks like a raisin."
I heard Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) saying, "He who insults the rulers Allah will insult him."
@@southernrealist5789define muslim ruler here ! Is it mean Khalifa or anybody president, pm, taghuts who rule by other than quran ?
This was a shame, may Allah guide us all!
It wasn't, those who love for the sake of Allah the Exalted will know to be careful who they listen to and take guidance from. If the a person is speaking from desires or following the guidance of the quran and sunnah upon the understanding of the salaf.
Look for the video
Why the imans of sunnah refute innovators more than non Muslims
By Shaykh Salih aal-alshaykh
اللهم اكفينا شر المداخله .. هم استخبارات الدول واحذية الطواغيت
I could say this is very shameful for them to be busy in this debate at this situation 😮😮😮😮
No brother. This is important because those people who misguide muslims have more ears at times like this.
Look for the video
Why the imans of sunnah refute innovators more than non Muslims
By Shaykh Salih aal-alshaykh
May Allah guide me and you
I support Shamsi Alhamdulilah
Kâfir supports kâfir
@@AshrafAnamkharijis are known takirees. They make takfir and kill Muslims
Why are you sick why do you criticize hamas
@@seidroi4594 I don't.
@@YouBuyWeRush but shamsi did
Shamsi is under pressure😂😂
Shamsi handed this influencer a lesson. Look at how he is arrogantly defending his position and refuses to accept the truth. How many people 1000s has this influencer misguided... It's dangerous and he will carry a sin for every sin commited by someone that follows his misguidance.
I think you commented on the wrong video
@@southernrealist5789The truth that you Madkhâlis are bootlickers?
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Shamsi avoiding Daniels question.
Shamsi is like aaaa aaa aaa😂😂
هذه الحوارات لا تغني ولا تسمن من جوع ولا تضيف اي شيء سوي الجدال العقيم لذلك نصيحة لكل شيوخ الدعوة ابتعدوا عن الأشخاص الذين يبحثون عن الجدال العقيم وادعوا لله بالمعروف والموعظه الحسنة.
هذا الشخص الذي يجادل الشيخ شمسي من هو اول مره اشوفه.
The rational conversations are not going like that, it would be a good conversation if they chose a calm place to debate properly with references and without shouting 💔
It's sad to see them talking like that 😢
why does shams always bring Salafi in the debates? there are many good scholars who don't call themselves salafis
Imaam Muhammad bin Sireen (rahimahullaah) said:
“Verily, this knowledge is Religion. So look into (i.e. investigate) whom you take your Religion from.”
And he said: “They (the Sahaabah) did not used to ask concerning the isnaad (chain of narration), but when the fitnah occurred, they began saying: ‘Name your men for us.’ So the People of the Sunnah would be looked to and so their hadeeth would be accepted. And the People of Innovation would be looked to and so their hadeeth would not be accepted.”
Shamsi is grabbed by the balls
The content went over your head.. Grandstanding will only appeal to idiots.
Even the crazy man umar was siding with you and Haqiqatjou.. That says enough
الله ينصرك يا اخي شمسي اسد السنة
مش قادر يرد علي سؤال بسيط ؟
شمسي مدخلي ..
I'm glad Daniel is quiet a lot, so people can see who the real Sheik Donkey is, and I see Haseem and Sheik Jordan like supporting Samshi, lots of Sheik Donkeys in the speaker corner
You'll be asked on the day of judgement of the words you utter on the Internet. Just reminding you
Do not be arrogant in judging. You must learn first so that you can judge and not regret in the end
Daniel was talking like the missionaries at the park 😂😂😂😂
The Madkhâli's talking like a kâfir who can't criticize the Saudi Zionists 😂😂😂😂
شمسي كون جيت وقت الاستعمار الفرنسي كون رانا لدرك مستعمرين 😅😅😅😅
Shamsi won this easly.
Quran and sunnah
May Allah preserve brother Shamsi
Why do you think Br Shamsi wouldn't answer whether it's ok to criticise the rulers?
😂😂😂 you crazy
@@Paramount308 he did not win anything this dude is definitely medchali whoever support these leaders you are with them
Based on what?
Shamsi is sus lol
Shamsi the dog of the Saudis , I wish brother Daniel ask him what he thinks of Al Saud’s desecration the land of the prophet by bring all the human filth from the East and West to hold these filthy concerts , love brother Daniel for the sake of Allah ❤
Hi dog of Iran. Shamsi always criticized this decision and he said it many times! He said halloween is haram, concerts are haram! What is your problem now doggy??
Do you have the same energy for people who miss prayer, pay tax in Western countries and use it for haram? What about all the Muslims who are involved in khamr and interest? These are just a few examples the Muslim governments are free from. The main one being shirk which is prevalent among the Muslims.
@@kab1r Saudi regime dogs support Israel in their mass killings of the Palestinians.
@@kab1r how you comparing being involved in khamr to slowly removing Islam in the public sphere? They even cited "progressive laws" in their 2030 vision.
@@chy.0190 how can you compare something that hasn't happened yet to something that is already happening among the Muslims?
الأخ شمسي احتوى دانيال المفلس بالأدلة الشرعية من الكتاب و السنة في حين دانيال لم يذكر ايه أو حديث
من حكم من يسكت عن الحق
@@user-wv7vs1yc3x لا تسكت عو الحق قله في وجه الحاكم و إذا مت فأنت بإذن الله شهيد و لكن لا تثير حرب اهليه بالمظاهرات
I see a lot of fans of this clown, Daniel, who talks about politics more than religion, and there is no argument, not a hadith, not a single verse. He takes advantage of the weakness of the nation, the nation, to spread ruin, and the people follow only because they hate the rulers, and he exploited that point so well that even a fool would notice it.
People like Daniel want to ask questions and don’t want to be patient and listen to a answer with explanation
He was patient enough with the nonsense coming out that madkhali's mouth
@@AshrafAnam ya right his silence to the questions made by the salafi is patience for him
Shamshi destroyed him on his claims of madhkhali he was exposed as a liar