I use her as a Aurius knight, works pretty ok. 20% cd reduction is very solid, defense break on s3 also help to nuke target down. But yes, I still think she needs some buff, maybe provoke on s1 or a little something else for s2 bicorn.
I like her, i think she's a versatile unit; tanky enough to survive, supports the team with 20% less crit damage taken, and opens up for my main damage dealers by doing significant chip damage and landing buff strip, unbuffable, and defence break (whcih lands on most bruisers even though i only have her 30% effectiveness).
I've been right in all of those especially Karina and Belian. Albedo s2 needs more love. That's about it. Thx for sharing those builds! Helps alot. That's how I build her was 0 crit counter out the jump. I just don't have the best gear on her
I'm already an adamant shield abuser so I see her value as a mit tool. What i do think she needs is some changes to the bicorn. I'd like at least one more strip on it. As for 3F it will probably work better on someone like mort or illynav. Possibly a future unit with cringe health scaling.
I am curious about how much input the IP's owner has in designing the character's abilities in the game they colab with. Does the game company have full autonomy in creating skill sets to interact with their game world? Or does the owners of the IP have a say in how they want their characters to perform in that game world?
Yeah after using her a while I realized the damage may not be very very impressive but when we look at her on a long game she actually does hurt the enemy's potential, just use her on counter set. But my eaton still does better numbers I use them side by side, and they're really good together! Both of them have mitigation and could be used with lrk or candy or pylis.
but if you need a grass bruiser, we already have Alencia and Charles, and ... Mort. Albedo need a more clear role for her, now she's just half tank (because of her passive, 20% dmg reduce for the whole team) and half dmg dealer. I really like to build her a full tank with Aurius. But her S1 will be wasted, her s1 did nothing just push her cr up. If she can become a true tank, her s1 must have something on it, like a Provoke or strip enemy's buff or anything but self-cr push.
your Albedo has speed main stat boots? If so then your equipment pieces of amazing!! Reaching 32k hp and almost 1600 defense while having speed boots is super hard!
I love that she is very reactive to the Meta, imo. With her S2, she can really mess up some teams for beginners and Mid game players. Again, IMO. I went for Counter Crit it works with her at 25k HP, 1500 Def, 90% Crit Chance, and about 260 Crit Damage. On 3F at +15, it does the job alright. I did team her with Arowell, and they do well together. Gonna work on Bad Kitty Armin as well to make a defensive team.
I've been saying she's fine, her damage actually feels decent...but I run a heavy Crit build. 26.8k HP, 1467 Def, with 275% CD and 3F. I use Destruction/Pen set on her so her speed is only 172 but I've been having a lot of fun using her. If she really needed a buff, I'd be fine with her getting 20-30% CR push when she procs Bicorn, since that allows her to cut the opponent and potentially be useful against one of her counters being Lionheart.
Glad you're enjoying her. There's a lot of negativity around her so that's why I wanted to make this video. I think the backlash is so high that they'll probably do something. My worry is if they do and people complain that they made it too good...it'll be Arbiter/Apoc Ravi/etc. all over again. And then people will cry how they don't have Albedo like they don't have Karina, etc. It's why I have to be more level headed with my takes. CCs who fly off the handle and get the mob up in a frenzy...if the company listens to you and it backfires...that just makes things even worse between SG & the Playerbase.
@@im_Tsu Exactly, thats also why I kinda don't want her buffed either. Like if the buff is giving her more utility like CR push on her S2 or strips 2 buffs or even adding a debuff to S2 then I'm fine with it. But to just give her more damage is kinda risky...I had matches where my S2 hit a cleave team for 5-6k...If they increased it more, I'd potentially be able to 1 shot an entire cleave team by just her S2 and that is not healthy for the game...Especially since Albedo's counter is automatic as long as your allies was hit by a Crit. Could you imagine if SG listened to the players back when Aespa came out and buffed Karina? She's already one of the most broken units in the game...and while Albedo is definitely not on her level, Albedo still isn't in that bad of a position. Giving her a buff could easily back fire to being an insanely OP unit. Also it's funny all these people are saying she's Mid and she's to mid to be a collab unit. When in reality, Most collab units are Mid right now...Only select few collab units are even decent in RTA right now. Jacko the only GG unit seen in RTA (sure Baiken for Banshee), dont really see Rem/Emilia much, Rimuru is seen but meta kinda pushed Milim out already and Karina is the only Aespa character that is used outside a few match ups where Winter is good. Albedo is better than most Collab units when you think about it.
@@DarkrulerjoeGaming I still see people use Edward a lot in RTA though. Also Roy is very fun to play, and is an incredible nuker if he gets the chance to pop off. Also I love using Emilia, and she's even saved my butt in Guild Wars many times.
I've played a LOT of matches with albedo, shes not insanely good, but in the matches she's good, she's amazing. I love her kit a lot, and I'm glad that people are down playing her lmao. Buff her: yay. Don't: I don't mind. Edit: Oh yeah, and tank down is back
Difference is Karina is good outside of anti-cleave. She is no karina. Albedo... IDK. guess we have to see. Im warming up to her but mother of god her kit is boring.
sheesh tsu did the nerd math. yes she's solid but needs bicorn buffed to feel good to use. also sheesh double ss+ mola'd albedo, we should indeed thank hezmana for keeping e7 afloat. 🐳
What spd are you able to get her at the full tank build though? Because I feel like it’s going to be impossible to spd tune her properly vs real time opponents without them cleansing your debuffs. They will pick off all your dps before she can even go, because even with spd buff she is going to be slow af. I think if they made her s2 an extra attack with some sort of debuff or more utility for your team (barrier/def buff/cleanse/pushup/etc) and maybe shorten the cooldown she would be a lot better. As is I don’t think she’s great when a lot of other tank options are available. Been running 24k hp 300 crit dmg on 160 spd does not feel good. Edit: not to mention at full tank you’re not going to be able to build enough res to resist being controlled yourself. So she may only be providing the dmg reduction. Idk maybe I just don’t know how to use her or don’t have a draft that fits her into my playstyle
From what take is she just decent as long she has crazy gear. Not that many players have those stats thresh holds. people are better off with other units with less stats threshold and doing more work. Hp has no buff that increases the dps like speed, atk and def. Plus it will be nice for the limit collab units to warp the meta at least for 2-3 months. In conclusion she needs buffs so even decent gear can be viable as well.
Very good analysis, the only thing i disagree on is the conclusion. She SHOULD be amazing, the hype and fun of this scenario would only be positive for the game I think.
Hello! Thanks for you work and test for Albedo, I´m really appreciate you can show the numbers (I don´t understand why people think doing the maths is a waste of time) this video is a proof of the numbers NEVER lie so ANY opinion is only sensation, number is evidence so I believe anyone say Albedo is garbage is: one never test the unit and think this is a ML Landy a broken unit so Albedo don´t do that so is bad unit🤡 or doesn´t know how to play with a Knight 🤷♂
Personally my Albedo Is another variant of Arowell or Light Armin SPD HP HP DEF RES EFF subs Counter and on Aurius Minimal Crit Imo Crit isnt worth Hardly more DMG hut much easier to kill Just stack HP to tank and S1
Using destro cc neck, speed boot and hp set one can get an Albedo with 30k hp, 260 cdam, 1.4k def and 170 speed. So I don't see why not going the crit route.
cause her HP pop scaling damage is So damn good you are giving up on a ton of potential damage from her S1 (counter) with CC or CD neck over HP. If you can pull off the gear then sure - critD does a lil more but that gear prob should be allocated to a better unit.
@@TristenWulf Tbh that kind of gear has become niche, it's basically just Apoc. Well, aside from the cc neck. And she's not really a unit nowadays, so the choice isn't as hard anymore. Still, I appreciate your point of view. I just wrote counter off because so many cleave/aggro units have uncounterable, so it sounded like lost value. But maybe she's usable outside of anticleave. That is something I did not consider.
I agree 95% oh your thoughts. The only 5% is between wht to buff if she ever needed one. Her S2 certainly needs some extra something but wht I think it needs is to actually proc wit her arti. Sometimes I see only 2-3 units get hit but all connected (0 miss) and I get screwed by the end, idk. The other would be her S1 wit minor dmg increase via molla
@@TristenWulf ah okay, because I had a match earlier where while target debuffed she lived s3 from GLilias and carmin also took some of that dmg for her
The issue with this is the fact those characters labeled as bad before her exceeded what ppl initially thought after use (still confused about belian since I swear people were upset about her busted passive). Meanwhile she’s exactly what people thought from seeing her kit. She’s ok at best but not worth investing compared to the other knights. The main reason being her stat thresholds, not everyone will meet those minimums yet other knights have lower thresholds and still give just as much value or more in comparison. For a limited collab character she shouldn’t be an ok character with high end gear. She should at least be above average when using such gear. Not busted mind you but not a afterthought either. In my opinion she’s nearly at that spot. All she needs is a small tweak. Similar to how Ed got his for example, a small change/buff that made his use worth investing into. What that could be is the main question. 😅
Difference is Ed got a tweak cause no one was pulling him. Everyone pulled for albedo so there is no financial reason to tweak her prior to testing is fully done, We wont see her changed before a rerun unless the Overlord IP asks for it for some reason. And why would they? They are making bank on this banner
whether she's mid, amazing, or complete garbage, i still got her because she's a waifu and that's all that matters and if somewhere down the road she isn't bad i'll have her ready
My Lili is stronger is crazy. 7800 hp 4200 attack on torrent speed. About 237 speed and 315 320 CD she deletes tanks that don’t have mitigation on another units 34k s3 with atk buff no vigor on a 24 wind rider.
I understand she can do more, but the video took into account the stats for one at 260+ Speed as this is the point where it is hard to contest her speed and she runs you over turn 1 without you interrupting.
Jack of all trades master of none. Is she BAD? Nah, but the definition of MID. If this is an E7 original unit, no one wd give a damn and move on. But she's the new collab that players were clinging to their hopes on for forever. 😅
Agree about being exciting but math is what shows a unit is usable or not. No matter the math she is a boring kit and i can see why that upsets people hyped for the favorite unit of this collab
@@TristenWulf That’s fair.. and it’s probably as much a matter of player perspective. I’m a day1 player who’s long since given up on try-hard or keeping up with the meta. I play things because I “want” to. At least for me, when it comes to collabs I think about what makes sense to a wide variety of player. Ultimately playing a thing because it’s interesting to you on some level hits nail on the head in terms of collab unit, to me. Aside from the skins I’m not seeing what’d draw anime fans/new players or the range of veteran players aside, maybe, from the niche who enjoy the aspect of detailed theory crafting/crunching numbers. As with any game that lasts beyond a point it becomes increasingly difficult for devs to create something that hits on all points for all player types, which is why I don’t think it’s unrealistic to expect something unique. Ainz somewhat does this.. least for me… but measured against their attempts to do something “on theme” by making him melt against light units. 😂
if u would Compared she to other knights she don't give your team anything that other heros are !!! this is why she needs a buff and this is why she is bad !!! we have bether knights that are almost free like Arowell who is 10times bether !!!
Albedo mitigates more and does more damage too lol Her utility is also a sidegrade compared to Arowell's (buff strip and stun versus buff strip and def break/unbuffable)
Honestly most Collab units are Mid when you think about it...When's the last time you seen any GG units outside of Jacko (or Baiken for Banshee). Rem and Emilia come and go from time to time and not even counting that half of Aespa aren't even good. Albedo is better then most Collab units right now.
Honestly im sure shes gonna be another case of, she was good but people arent seeing it Its happened time and time again with Knights as you said Also the low damage argument is bad imo, no one picks Arowell or Light Armin for DMG. Shes there to tank & S1 is decent as a built in Rocket Punch for using that cery build
Look, comparing it to other collabs, this one's just depressing. The event is good and all, but i literally can't wait to get shaltear and then uninstall until we either get a major QOL update (like a universal "quick quest button"), or a collab that's not a colossal disappointment.
Feel bad for all the try hards crying that units aint good or op...LOL! I just play with what I like and if its not meta oh well dont care and when I win heck yeah. Meta chasers just crack me up. Game is for collecting waifus everything else takes the backseat.
The problem is she's very mediocre. She doesn't hit hard, she doesn't really protect, and her s3 needing eff hurts a bit because she needs spd set, 30k hp & close to 200 spd or counter set with 30k hp, max crit, 200ish cdam, and any speed left over. Her s3 is crucial to her being useful, so you've got to find eff too. It's hard to do, honestly.
She hits harder than any other mitigation knight we have (even more so than LRK if you add the damage up across all the cooldowns unless Krau is spammed by AOE to cycle his skill)
@TristenWulf I can concede that point. But in the current state of the game, she's just not impactful enough and is immediately rendered useless by injury (an issue with all hp scalers, tbf). She does shine with really high-end gear, but that's more the gear than her kit. Maybe I'm just wrong, I don't know. But as a collab unit, she just doesn't 'feel' impressive. But then Ainz is kind of the same. His S3 is incredible on paper, and his s1 can be awesome, but he's so gear intensive, and easily countered by meta units like Adin, Candy, LHC, Seline, Nahkwol, Phantom, ignore ER in general, and any light dps. heck, just running a slow, hard-hitting team negates his impactfulness. And then there's his biggest issue: 15%.
@@excalibursonic32 yeah. But I did comment before it was over. But I'll stick to what I said to Tristen. The numbers might be better than other tanks, but her overall impact, especially in the current meta, is unimpressive
@@TristenWulf not sure about her being boring her s3 really solves my problem with ML choux that def break/unbuffable on her is really huge for me with her mitigation on her s2/ extra dmg for her arti and on barrier set shes been carrying me tho not sure how she'd go on high level RTA so far ive been enjoying her kit tho i do hope they add a uniqe buff on her same for Rem and Milim
@@TristenWulf ayooo tristen??? old fan here dude! i agree she is boring, but thats just my opinion, to be honestly i dont care about overlord so whatever...the only collab i liked was karina and the vtuber one
@@TristenWulf While I personally find her to be really fun to use myself. I can understand why other people are disappointed with how she plays. I also feel part of it is that with Overlord being the player bases most requested collab for years, and the fact that we had not had a collab for, so long people's expectations were sky high. In the end Smile Gate chose to play it safe, and left many people to feel very underwhelmed. I do think that Ains should have been the other banner unit instead of Shaltear.
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It's like they made this unit 3 years ago.
she is boring AF thats for sure. Not bad just... boring and kinda mid outside of ran.
Yeah SG is playing it safe
I use her as a Aurius knight, works pretty ok.
20% cd reduction is very solid, defense break on s3 also help to nuke target down.
But yes, I still think she needs some buff, maybe provoke on s1 or a little something else for s2 bicorn.
I like her, i think she's a versatile unit; tanky enough to survive, supports the team with 20% less crit damage taken, and opens up for my main damage dealers by doing significant chip damage and landing buff strip, unbuffable, and defence break (whcih lands on most bruisers even though i only have her 30% effectiveness).
Personally to me I think that Albedo is worth pulling, and building simply because she's Albedo. No other reason is needed.
Based.
This video changed my life.
Get Wrecked Haters!
Yeah! Get wrecked haters!
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That's what I'm supposed to say right?
@@im_Tsu just smile and wave
Tristen is boozing on Hammerfall.
The Rock God has spoken
+1 great video thank you for doing the math.
Get wreck haters?
I've been right in all of those especially Karina and Belian. Albedo s2 needs more love. That's about it. Thx for sharing those builds! Helps alot. That's how I build her was 0 crit counter out the jump. I just don't have the best gear on her
You are very welcome! I'm trying to spread awareness about this character. A few other people like Red are really cooking with her though.
I'm already an adamant shield abuser so I see her value as a mit tool. What i do think she needs is some changes to the bicorn. I'd like at least one more strip on it.
As for 3F it will probably work better on someone like mort or illynav. Possibly a future unit with cringe health scaling.
yeah, and also many units have anti crit so the pure bulk build is even better
I am curious about how much input the IP's owner has in designing the character's abilities in the game they colab with. Does the game company have full autonomy in creating skill sets to interact with their game world? Or does the owners of the IP have a say in how they want their characters to perform in that game world?
Yeah after using her a while I realized the damage may not be very very impressive but when we look at her on a long game she actually does hurt the enemy's potential, just use her on counter set.
But my eaton still does better numbers I use them side by side, and they're really good together! Both of them have mitigation and could be used with lrk or candy or pylis.
Ok I’m sold, gonna all in my bookmarks on Shalltear😂
My condolences.
but if you need a grass bruiser, we already have Alencia and Charles, and ... Mort. Albedo need a more clear role for her, now she's just half tank (because of her passive, 20% dmg reduce for the whole team) and half dmg dealer.
I really like to build her a full tank with Aurius. But her S1 will be wasted, her s1 did nothing just push her cr up. If she can become a true tank, her s1 must have something on it, like a Provoke or strip enemy's buff or anything but self-cr push.
The whole reason I downloaded the game last night was this collaboration :,) I pulled her relic and her in 4 multis
Let's Go!!!!
@@im_Tsu I’m happy but not so excited apparently she’s mid at best 😵💫
She's not bad, she's just not exciting.
your Albedo has speed main stat boots? If so then your equipment pieces of amazing!!
Reaching 32k hp and almost 1600 defense while having speed boots is super hard!
I love that she is very reactive to the Meta, imo.
With her S2, she can really mess up some teams for beginners and Mid game players. Again, IMO.
I went for Counter Crit it works with her at 25k HP, 1500 Def, 90% Crit Chance, and about 260 Crit Damage. On 3F at +15, it does the job alright. I did team her with Arowell, and they do well together. Gonna work on Bad Kitty Armin as well to make a defensive team.
I've been saying she's fine, her damage actually feels decent...but I run a heavy Crit build. 26.8k HP, 1467 Def, with 275% CD and 3F. I use Destruction/Pen set on her so her speed is only 172 but I've been having a lot of fun using her. If she really needed a buff, I'd be fine with her getting 20-30% CR push when she procs Bicorn, since that allows her to cut the opponent and potentially be useful against one of her counters being Lionheart.
Glad you're enjoying her. There's a lot of negativity around her so that's why I wanted to make this video. I think the backlash is so high that they'll probably do something.
My worry is if they do and people complain that they made it too good...it'll be Arbiter/Apoc Ravi/etc. all over again. And then people will cry how they don't have Albedo like they don't have Karina, etc.
It's why I have to be more level headed with my takes. CCs who fly off the handle and get the mob up in a frenzy...if the company listens to you and it backfires...that just makes things even worse between SG & the Playerbase.
@@im_Tsu Exactly, thats also why I kinda don't want her buffed either. Like if the buff is giving her more utility like CR push on her S2 or strips 2 buffs or even adding a debuff to S2 then I'm fine with it. But to just give her more damage is kinda risky...I had matches where my S2 hit a cleave team for 5-6k...If they increased it more, I'd potentially be able to 1 shot an entire cleave team by just her S2 and that is not healthy for the game...Especially since Albedo's counter is automatic as long as your allies was hit by a Crit.
Could you imagine if SG listened to the players back when Aespa came out and buffed Karina? She's already one of the most broken units in the game...and while Albedo is definitely not on her level, Albedo still isn't in that bad of a position. Giving her a buff could easily back fire to being an insanely OP unit.
Also it's funny all these people are saying she's Mid and she's to mid to be a collab unit. When in reality, Most collab units are Mid right now...Only select few collab units are even decent in RTA right now. Jacko the only GG unit seen in RTA (sure Baiken for Banshee), dont really see Rem/Emilia much, Rimuru is seen but meta kinda pushed Milim out already and Karina is the only Aespa character that is used outside a few match ups where Winter is good. Albedo is better than most Collab units when you think about it.
@@DarkrulerjoeGaming I still see people use Edward a lot in RTA though. Also Roy is very fun to play, and is an incredible nuker if he gets the chance to pop off. Also I love using Emilia, and she's even saved my butt in Guild Wars many times.
I've played a LOT of matches with albedo, shes not insanely good, but in the matches she's good, she's amazing. I love her kit a lot, and I'm glad that people are down playing her lmao. Buff her: yay. Don't: I don't mind.
Edit: Oh yeah, and tank down is back
The thing surprising me more than the opinions on Albedo is people saying the scaling on 3F is underwhelming.
if its not MLB it does feel pretty bad
That's because it is if u compare it to R.P
Because it is
Shes not bad shes just very mid
You guys said the same about Karina when she released and look at her now.
@@Aramintha no we said she was bad
@@superbrightshinystuff3425 Even worse, she was bad and look at her now, you guys just aren't thinking hard enough
Difference is Karina is good outside of anti-cleave. She is no karina. Albedo... IDK. guess we have to see. Im warming up to her but mother of god her kit is boring.
@TristenWulf I don't think this hero is only anti-cleave.
Her Bicorn should proc when she gets crit too.
That would be great and give her some life back
sheesh tsu did the nerd math. yes she's solid but needs bicorn buffed to feel good to use.
also sheesh double ss+ mola'd albedo, we should indeed thank hezmana for keeping e7 afloat. 🐳
What spd are you able to get her at the full tank build though? Because I feel like it’s going to be impossible to spd tune her properly vs real time opponents without them cleansing your debuffs. They will pick off all your dps before she can even go, because even with spd buff she is going to be slow af. I think if they made her s2 an extra attack with some sort of debuff or more utility for your team (barrier/def buff/cleanse/pushup/etc) and maybe shorten the cooldown she would be a lot better. As is I don’t think she’s great when a lot of other tank options are available. Been running 24k hp 300 crit dmg on 160 spd does not feel good.
Edit: not to mention at full tank you’re not going to be able to build enough res to resist being controlled yourself. So she may only be providing the dmg reduction. Idk maybe I just don’t know how to use her or don’t have a draft that fits her into my playstyle
From what take is she just decent as long she has crazy gear.
Not that many players have those stats thresh holds.
people are better off with other units with less stats threshold and doing more work.
Hp has no buff that increases the dps like speed, atk and def.
Plus it will be nice for the limit collab units to warp the meta at least for 2-3 months.
In conclusion she needs buffs so even decent gear can be viable as well.
Very good analysis, the only thing i disagree on is the conclusion. She SHOULD be amazing, the hype and fun of this scenario would only be positive for the game I think.
Yeah I think I pulled my punches for that conclusion. As long as I keep winning, I don't I care what people think.
Hello! Thanks for you work and test for Albedo, I´m really appreciate you can show the numbers (I don´t understand why people think doing the maths is a waste of time) this video is a proof of the numbers NEVER lie so ANY opinion is only sensation, number is evidence so I believe anyone say Albedo is garbage is: one never test the unit and think this is a ML Landy a broken unit so Albedo don´t do that so is bad unit🤡 or doesn´t know how to play with a Knight 🤷♂
Personally my Albedo
Is another variant of Arowell or Light Armin
SPD HP HP
DEF RES EFF subs
Counter and on Aurius
Minimal Crit
Imo Crit isnt worth
Hardly more DMG hut much easier to kill
Just stack HP to tank and S1
I really enjoy her artifact on Belian 🔥🔥
My 3k def karina with def buff can one shot nc landy. She need extra pop on s3 like karina. Right now she very mid almost bad
Using destro cc neck, speed boot and hp set one can get an Albedo with 30k hp, 260 cdam, 1.4k def and 170 speed. So I don't see why not going the crit route.
cause her HP pop scaling damage is So damn good you are giving up on a ton of potential damage from her S1 (counter) with CC or CD neck over HP. If you can pull off the gear then sure - critD does a lil more but that gear prob should be allocated to a better unit.
@@TristenWulf Tbh that kind of gear has become niche, it's basically just Apoc. Well, aside from the cc neck. And she's not really a unit nowadays, so the choice isn't as hard anymore.
Still, I appreciate your point of view. I just wrote counter off because so many cleave/aggro units have uncounterable, so it sounded like lost value. But maybe she's usable outside of anticleave. That is something I did not consider.
I have 1.6k def, 26k hp, 270 cd on counter, she's actually not bad
Looks like i gotta build her differently now
I agree 95% oh your thoughts. The only 5% is between wht to buff if she ever needed one. Her S2 certainly needs some extra something but wht I think it needs is to actually proc wit her arti. Sometimes I see only 2-3 units get hit but all connected (0 miss) and I get screwed by the end, idk. The other would be her S1 wit minor dmg increase via molla
Does her passive work with carmins? Or does it prioritize one over the other
Should prioritize hers on Crit Attacks, and Carmins on normal hits.
Only the strongest passive is applied. The one overlaps the other
@@TristenWulf ah okay, because I had a match earlier where while target debuffed she lived s3 from GLilias and carmin also took some of that dmg for her
The issue with this is the fact those characters labeled as bad before her exceeded what ppl initially thought after use (still confused about belian since I swear people were upset about her busted passive). Meanwhile she’s exactly what people thought from seeing her kit. She’s ok at best but not worth investing compared to the other knights. The main reason being her stat thresholds, not everyone will meet those minimums yet other knights have lower thresholds and still give just as much value or more in comparison. For a limited collab character she shouldn’t be an ok character with high end gear. She should at least be above average when using such gear. Not busted mind you but not a afterthought either. In my opinion she’s nearly at that spot. All she needs is a small tweak. Similar to how Ed got his for example, a small change/buff that made his use worth investing into. What that could be is the main question. 😅
Difference is Ed got a tweak cause no one was pulling him.
Everyone pulled for albedo so there is no financial reason to tweak her prior to testing is fully done,
We wont see her changed before a rerun unless the Overlord IP asks for it for some reason. And why would they? They are making bank on this banner
I tried her on counter with rocket punch and high def and she kinda hits hard
She feels like Karina all over again
I have a feeling she'll be very good
Same.
she is bad, no support for team, weak to injury and tank busters and does no damage
But what's funny is that 3F is better to use it with other tank units and she's too niche super bad
I don't really feel that way. Most people that I know who tried 3F LRK switched off it really fast. Belian? Jury is still out on that one though.
whether she's mid, amazing, or complete garbage, i still got her because she's a waifu and that's all that matters and if somewhere down the road she isn't bad i'll have her ready
Lilias on all 90s with torrent hp is 7719 assuming no wasted subs
I'm sure this actually doesn't matter for the calcs but just wanted to help
Good catch! I forgot to subtract the Torrent set Debuff. And no, it doesn't affect calcs at all.
My Lili is stronger is crazy. 7800 hp 4200 attack on torrent speed. About 237 speed and 315 320 CD she deletes tanks that don’t have mitigation on another units 34k s3 with atk buff no vigor on a 24 wind rider.
I understand she can do more, but the video took into account the stats for one at 260+ Speed as this is the point where it is hard to contest her speed and she runs you over turn 1 without you interrupting.
Jack of all trades master of none.
Is she BAD? Nah, but the definition of MID.
If this is an E7 original unit, no one wd give a damn and move on.
But she's the new collab that players were clinging to their hopes on for forever. 😅
I just think a collab unit shouldn’t need math to determine wether or not it’s worth being excited about
This whole game is just a giant math interaction.
Agree about being exciting but math is what shows a unit is usable or not.
No matter the math she is a boring kit and i can see why that upsets people hyped for the favorite unit of this collab
@@TristenWulf That’s fair.. and it’s probably as much a matter of player perspective. I’m a day1 player who’s long since given up on try-hard or keeping up with the meta. I play things because I “want” to. At least for me, when it comes to collabs I think about what makes sense to a wide variety of player. Ultimately playing a thing because it’s interesting to you on some level hits nail on the head in terms of collab unit, to me. Aside from the skins I’m not seeing what’d draw anime fans/new players or the range of veteran players aside, maybe, from the niche who enjoy the aspect of detailed theory crafting/crunching numbers. As with any game that lasts beyond a point it becomes increasingly difficult for devs to create something that hits on all points for all player types, which is why I don’t think it’s unrealistic to expect something unique. Ainz somewhat does this.. least for me… but measured against their attempts to do something “on theme” by making him melt against light units. 😂
@@lakingpaulso is driving, but the vast majority don’t base their enjoyment of a new vehicle on what their calculator says while doing so. 😂
Imma just use her on pve, just like how life intented :V
I think peolpe are really sleeping on Albedo. . . wait, that doesn't sound right.
Sounds right to me!
Copium is real.
So just throw Aurius on her with a shit ton of hp and defense? Great video btw !
On Protection set or Counter set if possible.
@@im_Tsu I'll probably go counter then. Thanks again for the great content bro
if u would Compared she to other knights she don't give your team anything that other heros are !!! this is why she needs a buff and this is why she is bad !!! we have bether knights that are almost free like Arowell who is 10times bether !!!
clearly someone who doesn't understand anything about rta. Git gud before you scream for a buff
@@asoca1337 you mean your serlf ?
Yeah its insane how arowell can solo teams with her DPS potential and can assist in the murder of most Ran cleave.
Albedo mitigates more and does more damage too lol
Her utility is also a sidegrade compared to Arowell's (buff strip and stun versus buff strip and def break/unbuffable)
when it come to Ran Cleve the bether pick is Senya !!! gys you must play more RTA !!!
She is mid for a collab and limited.
More boring than mid
Honestly most Collab units are Mid when you think about it...When's the last time you seen any GG units outside of Jacko (or Baiken for Banshee). Rem and Emilia come and go from time to time and not even counting that half of Aespa aren't even good. Albedo is better then most Collab units right now.
Honestly im sure shes gonna be another case of, she was good but people arent seeing it
Its happened time and time again with Knights as you said
Also the low damage argument is bad imo, no one picks Arowell or Light Armin for DMG. Shes there to tank & S1 is decent as a built in Rocket Punch for using that cery build
I used her and actually she is not bad she is kinda good actually not great just good
Look, comparing it to other collabs, this one's just depressing. The event is good and all, but i literally can't wait to get shaltear and then uninstall until we either get a major QOL update (like a universal "quick quest button"), or a collab that's not a colossal disappointment.
Feel bad for all the try hards crying that units aint good or op...LOL! I just play with what I like and if its not meta oh well dont care and when I win heck yeah. Meta chasers just crack me up. Game is for collecting waifus everything else takes the backseat.
The problem is she's very mediocre. She doesn't hit hard, she doesn't really protect, and her s3 needing eff hurts a bit because she needs spd set, 30k hp & close to 200 spd or counter set with 30k hp, max crit, 200ish cdam, and any speed left over. Her s3 is crucial to her being useful, so you've got to find eff too. It's hard to do, honestly.
She hits harder than any other mitigation knight we have (even more so than LRK if you add the damage up across all the cooldowns unless Krau is spammed by AOE to cycle his skill)
@TristenWulf I can concede that point. But in the current state of the game, she's just not impactful enough and is immediately rendered useless by injury (an issue with all hp scalers, tbf). She does shine with really high-end gear, but that's more the gear than her kit.
Maybe I'm just wrong, I don't know. But as a collab unit, she just doesn't 'feel' impressive. But then Ainz is kind of the same. His S3 is incredible on paper, and his s1 can be awesome, but he's so gear intensive, and easily countered by meta units like Adin, Candy, LHC, Seline, Nahkwol, Phantom, ignore ER in general, and any light dps. heck, just running a slow, hard-hitting team negates his impactfulness. And then there's his biggest issue: 15%.
Did you even watch the video
@@excalibursonic32 yeah. But I did comment before it was over. But I'll stick to what I said to Tristen. The numbers might be better than other tanks, but her overall impact, especially in the current meta, is unimpressive
Shes not bad people just suck at using her xD
I think its more, she is not bad she is just boring AF and for the favorite unit of a collab "boring" wasnt what we wanted or needed
@@TristenWulf not sure about her being boring her s3 really solves my problem with ML choux that def break/unbuffable on her is really huge for me with her mitigation on her s2/ extra dmg for her arti and on barrier set shes been carrying me tho not sure how she'd go on high level RTA so far ive been enjoying her kit tho i do hope they add a uniqe buff on her same for Rem and Milim
shes mid
arwell is also mid
belian is just annoying
karina is also mid
but theres a catch. they are all mid, for me.
I think its more, she is not mid but she is just boring AF and for the favorite unit of a collab "boring" wasnt what we wanted or needed
@@TristenWulf ayooo tristen??? old fan here dude! i agree she is boring, but thats just my opinion, to be honestly i dont care about overlord so whatever...the only collab i liked was karina and the vtuber one
@@TristenWulf While I personally find her to be really fun to use myself. I can understand why other people are disappointed with how she plays. I also feel part of it is that with Overlord being the player bases most requested collab for years, and the fact that we had not had a collab for, so long people's expectations were sky high. In the end Smile Gate chose to play it safe, and left many people to feel very underwhelmed. I do think that Ains should have been the other banner unit instead of Shaltear.