Now I love the original trilogy, but I don't hold them up as gospel like you guys do. And I think its awesome that you guys have that much passion for the OT, but for me, The Force Awakens definitely has a chance to be the best Star Wars movie to date.
I think the point was that there could be a certain percentage of fans that are going to have very high expectations. Hopefully those fans don't have this notion that is "it better be better than Empire Strikes Back/Return of the Jedi or bust"
+Brooks Wilkins I dont think the original star wars movie is a marvel like they play it out to be. in my opinion it is the weakest of the original trilogy, simply because the emotional impact of most of the scenes isnt as good as the other movies (except Obi vs Vader). The Empire strikes back i would say was edited the best, meaning every second of film isnt wasted. Return of the Jedi in my opinon is the best because more scenes carry more emotional impact (primarily everything between luke and vader and then with the emperor later on)
Happy Birthday Kristian! You've really changed my life by getting me into Star Wars. Your show and anything Star Wars in general really gets me going through rough patches in my life. May the force be with you!
If Rey is a Solo, why the hell is she living on her own as a scavenger when she's of royal blood. Did she run away? Was she disowned? On the other hand, if she's Luke's daughter, and he's disappeared, that would make more sense that she's now on her own and fending for herself.
+coolwhipspecial yeah the whole PRINCESS Leia thing is something that seems to slip people's minds a lot of the time. No one even considers the fact after Jedi that when Han and Leia hook up Han is going to be sitting in some throne room somewhere.
+Blake Walker She goes by Queen Leia now. Thats always been the confusing part to me. Is she REALLY better off in this desert planet? I think its one of those situations where Rey would be safer with Han and Leia and a military around her than suffering as a scavenger on Jakku lol... Seems like shes Lukes baby girl, but her just being a local and offspring of a character in the book would suffice. I was really pulling for Hux to be the big reveal as Lukes son.
+coolwhipspecial Solo's are not royal blood. In fact, Solo's are effectively 'no-bodies' coming from a slaving background. Leia was adopted and raised by the Organa's, so even then, her so called 'nobility' is not really legitimate.
I think Han and Leia broke up the day after the Battle of Endor. She then had a one night stand with Jar-Jar Binks in which Kylo Ren was conceived. Meanwhile Han, on the rebound, hooked up with Mon Mothma, and they had a daughter named Rey. While force ghost Hayden Christensen having already eliminated his rival, force ghost Sabastian Shaw, decides to play matchmaker. He introduces Luke to Uhura from the Star Trek Universe. With J.J. Abrams officiating, Luke and Uhura marry, and later produce a son named Finn.
The original trilogy has a special place in our hearts not just because we saw it when we were kids, but it was also the first time that a science fiction film was cinematically ambitious. Before Star Wars, science fiction primarily consisted of campy low budget serials intended for children. Star Wars was inspired by those serials, such as Buck Rogers and Flash Gordon, but George Lucas managed to bring a depth and urgency to the genre that we had never seen before. Now that we've seen both the science fiction and fantasy genres evolve throughout the years, a new Star Wars film won't likely have the same visual impact that the original films did, which is why it's crucial that the story carries TFA like no other Star Wars film before it.
Ivan Cherganski Yeah, I like her very much. You can hate Ahsoka, that's your opinion, I have no problem with that. I seriously think that The Clone Wars was her show. It peaked with season 5. After she left, season 6 was just a mess. I don't understand why Campea hates her so much. Don't forget that she's just a kid in the show. Luke was a whiny stupid kid at the beginning of Star Wars, but he became one of the greatest Jedi we've ever seen. Ep 6 Luke is my favourite character in the whole universe. I'm sure you'll like Ahsoka in Rebels.
13:54 I agree but the funny thing about your opinion is every time you talk about The Dark Knight Rises you never forget to mention that it's not as good as The Dark Knight...
+evandest1983 And? Two totally different situations. My point was that a movie doesn't have to be as good or better than the previous film to be GREAT. A movie can still be GREAT even if not as good as the original. With THE DARK KNIGHT RISES... it was not a great movie. My problem isn't that it wasn't as good as the previous film... my problem was that it was a significant step backwards in quality and couldn't even be qualified as a great movie on its own merits.
+evandest1983 The Dark Knight Rises isn't a great movie on its own. At best, it's pretty good - but there are so many problems within it and it blows my mind that people give many of the glaring issues a pass.
95% Heres my crazy theory: Han and Leia are estranged and split because of the death of their kid(s) a long time ago. They THINK the kids (also twins) are dead, but they were abducted by First Order or Sith (Order of Ren?) forces and raised apart not knowing their heritage. They are Daisy Ridley as orphaned homeless (Kira?)Rey and Adam Driver as Kylo Ren, First Order/Order of Ren(?) enforcer, and force relic Hunter. (Luke & Leia=Kylo & Kira?!?)
Eventually the children will be reunited and revealed to the family (Skywalker-Solo) in Force Awakens, both positively (Rey discovering her heritage off of Jakku) and negatively (Hans death at Kylos hand?!) This creates genuine suspense and mystery, while being a great mirror reflection of Luke & Leia. Unlike the Extended Universe/ Legends material I think Luke grew into his power as a Jedi and NEVER had children, possibly fearing the childs future fate with the darkside. There might have been a Mara Jade, or Mara Jade-like figure in his life, but no kids. I also think Max Von Sydow has been Rey's 'watcher' on Jakku, keeping a devious eye on her development, the evil mirror Ben Kenobi. I'm dying to hear other people's thoughts on this? Am I completely grasping at straws? What are your plot theories?
What is funny is the piece of info that helped me most was the dialogue from the Kylo Ren and Finn talking action figures. Kylo says "you really are just a scavenger" which I interpreted as him talking to Rey because he thought she was a Skywalker, but thinks not because SHE has no real clue who her parents are, until running into Han and fugitive Finn. Kylo is like the mirror Leia but adopted by the Empire/First Order instead of Organa and the Rebels. Rey is the analog for Luke, poor kid stranded in the wasteland only dreaming of more. I also got the idea she is clueless aout her parentage because i heard that she freaks out when she leaves Jakku on the Falcon with Han and Finn because she has never been off world before, and never seen a jungle or snow (types of weather from two of the locations in the film)
***** Here is my thought on that, they get abducted and in the middle of the abduction the ship they are on explodes leading everyone to think they are dead after exhausting an investigation that leads Leia to think they are gone, and Han to resent that notion as he and Chewy fly off exploring every lead no matter what the "odds are" (sorry couldn't resist). That's how they split up. Meanwhile we learn it was a ploy to kidnap the children and use them for the dark side by what ever villain at that time (First Order, Empire, Knight of Ren, Snoke etc). The explosion was a ruse, maybe made to look like Solo accidentally shot the ship down, adding more tension to Leia and Hans relationship. This is just one spitballed theory i have. As far as when it happens, it could be directly after Leia gave birth, or a few years later when they are 1 or 2, just as long as its early enough for them to either have no concrete memories of their pasts, or just enough memory to be manipulated into thinking their parents were evil (which is more in line with Kylo Ren). Now how the two are separated and raised apart could be, as I wildly speculated, purposeful like with Luke and Leia, or accidental. Maybe someone secreted Rey away, maybe Max Von Sydow as this so called described blue alien confidante on Jakku? (Thats from a reported leaked bit of info from the last 2 years of SW speculation and prodding. in all its the best I could come up with. Watch not one thing I'm speculating comes close to being true! lol
Im going to say something that will be unpopular with older fans but may be supported by younger ones. These films will probably be better films than the first three. Effects are better, talent is better, and more importantly, the people putting these films out know how much this franchise means to the fans. The reason fans of the originals may not like these as much is simply because they arent the originals. People who watched nosferatu and frankenstein initially believed no movie could be as scary. Why? Simply because there was nothing like it at the time. It does not take away from any of the films that wanted to be original at the time, but the truth is, It was great THEN, however if it came out now, it wouldn't hold a candle to what we have available. I sometimes hear critics ask younger fans to see older movies but i would counter with asking older critics to understand how HARD it is to watch a movie with the production value of a sci fi channel movie when most movies that have come out in our lifetime compare to wide release movies as far as production value. Most things that come out now would get positive reviews in the 1900s. So can you really get upset if young fans of things like star wars think that the movies coming out now will blow the older ones away?
+Galaxy Trippin that it is. l remember watching the first movie and it was a poorly directed shitfest. people only fell in love with it bcause it wasn't as bad as twiight. Despite having and even more cringe worthy love triangle
Why do TWO people have to be related to Skywalker and/or Solo? How does that make it a better story? The original trilogy already had two twists regarding family. I feel like repeating the same gag would be to this movie's disadvantage.
30yrs is a long time for Luke to fall in love have kids and then have his wife/gf die off screen or just leave him because he's immersed himself deeply in the force
Ivan Cherganski I think because Anakin had to hide his love which lead him down the path of the dark side that as the Jedi master Luke would change that rule going forward
campea seems to be one of those star wars fans that holds the original films as a deity - a god. His "fear" of star wars fans not thinking this movie was as good as the originals so that means they are bad - and then says there is no way it CAN be better than the original. Why does it matter what fans think of the movie? All that matters is what you think. I guarantee campea hates the prequels and calls anyone who enjoys them as "wrong" or not real star wars fans. I was 6 years old when the phantom menace came out. I was at an age where I couldn't dislike any film - i loved the prequels as a child. As I've grown older, that does not mean I do not enjoy them anymore, although I do realize their flaws. I still like them. Many of the original trilogy fans are cold and unwelcoming to many newer star wars fans because they believe everyone should agree with them that the original trilogy is the holiest of holies. Yes they are better than the prequels, but that doesn't mean I can't enjoy them. All 6 films were part of my childhood, and the next 6 that come out I will still enjoy regardless.
Kylo Ren = Darth Vader; Supreme Leader Snoke = The Emperor; Captain Phasma = Boba Fett; General Hux = Grand Moff Tarkin. The villain slots have been filled.
I'm so happy you guys answered my question!! Like seriously I was freaking out. I really liked hearing your guys' thoughts on it. The question came to me because I was thinking about that Bail is out there speaking out against the empire...he knows more about the emperor than he should...so maybe the emperor tried to have him assassinated or something, or the other way around. Still, I'm glad to hear your thoughts on it.
Don't think Domhnall Gleeson can play a super evil ruthless character? Check out his cameo as a serial killer in Calvary (2014). He's acting across from his actual IRL dad and the crazy sadistic vibe he gives off is chilling. Ruthless is certainly in his acting range.
General Hux is the new Tarkin-esk figure. I don't know if he will live past 7, but I feel he will be taking up that Tarkin roll and will be dark as night.
It's strange. I've never considered myself a huge star wars fan. Sure my dad showed me the original movies when I was a kid and took me to the new ones when they came out, and i liked all of them, but I've never been a hardcore fan of the universe. Yet every week, here I am. Anxiously awaiting Jedi Council. My excitement for the new movie has skyrocketed since watching this show. Seeing how excited they all are about it makes me excited. So thanks guys.
Get out of my head, that's exactly how I feel, I saw Star Wars as a kid thought Empire was and is the best but was always more or a Indian Jones fan but yeah I watch this show religiously.
I am 95% that Rey is Luke's daughter. The only side-note to this is in the behind-the-scenes video that has been released there is a shot with Han and Rey in the cockpit of the Falcon and it LOOKS like a scene being shot. That might suggest that Rey is Han's daughter. I LOVE that there is all of this discussion, which is certainly better than what we had when the prequel trilogy started. CAN'T WAIT!!!!!
I 100% agree with john and his fear of unrealistic expectations. I personally cannot wait for this movie, I got two days off work to watch this movie over and over, but the point is my expectations will be checked before going in. I'm actually quite aware that jj Abrams isn't the greatest of directors, he's good, but not the greatest. My expectations are reasonable for this film, I'm just happy Star Wars is back. And I'm gonna try to convince my friends to think the same way.
Ciena and Thane were about 24-25 at the time of the Battle of Jakku. The Force Awakens happens roughly 30 years after that. So Rey could easily be their daughter.
Before the prequel trilogy, we were only given the story of Lukes heritage through old stories. They could still cover that as part of Luke's child's conception by referencing an older story as a possible reason for Luke's potential 'hermit' life. There was never a full real about what happened to Lukes father until that old famous moment we all love. That type of story telling could work again, if done right.
I agree with John about BVS being close to Star Wars instead of Hunger Games. As Star Wars is to Kristian, John and Mark, Batman v Superman is that to me.
Regarding the Dark Side vs Light Side question, my idea was always that the Force is just the Force, it has no good or bad side. It is the intention of the user that makes it good or bad. So a good guy like Luke could certainly tap into some abilities that are typically associated with the Dark Side, without being evil. Luke certainly used the Dark Side in Jedi, like you said. I don't think he could have defeated Vader if he hadn't given in to anger in the end, which is also a Dark Side technique.
Just throwing this out there, but I manage an AMC theatre and I am pretty sure that we have never put tickets on sale on Sunday (Oct. 18th). We have done Monday, Tuesday & Wednesdays...but never Sundays. Keep that in mind.
Legit my favorite show on RUclips. It's not every day that you can witness other people who want to debate Star Wars! I love it! Debating like the Galactic Senate? :P
Luke starts the Jedi Academy on Yavin, General Hux is Ben Skywalker, Kylo Ren is Jacen Solo, Rey is Jaina Solo, Finn becomes a Jedi. Korriban may be explored in this movie or the next two, the Sith return in The Force Awakens.
I can believe that there are people who know the final Hunger Games is coming and are excited for it that still don't realize there is a new Star Wars. Last week, Tiffany Smith said she has 2 friends who didn't know there was a new movie coming. So I totally can believe the results of that survey on current anticipation.
Once again, great show gentlemen! My SW Mount Rushmore, can only go off the movies/shows I've seen, so I'm leaving out TFA characters as of now. I'll revisit after December 18. Luke from Jedi, Han from Empire, Leia from A New Hope, and Kenobi from Attack of the Clones.
The Jar Jar bones comment was flippin Hilarious. You were talking about retconning things..Please no time travel. I'm sick of it by now. Lets move forward. Thanks guys and as always, keep bringing that filthy!
As long as it's better than the prequals I'm happy. The originals were the first movies I ever remember watching when I was 3, they have always been a huge part of my life. I grew up seeing the prequals at the cinema (I was born in 1994) & they inspired me to be a fiction writer. Although I know they aren't that good I can watch them endlessly like the originals because it's that Star Wars sensation! If TFA lives up to half the hype it could easily be seen as better than the originals because, even though to me they make me feel like no other movies do, a lot of people in my generation don't appreciate the originals as many consider them as "old & outdated". Not to mention all the other great movies that have spoilt us the last 2 decades e.g. Lord of the Rings, Dark Knight Trilogy not to mention the best cinema experience I ever had was seeing Avengers Assemble. This new Star Wars could be what A New Hope was to the older generations & me, it could best them all if they get it right.
Star Wars 7 is going to be the best Star Wars film I am positive, I would not even worry. The talent behind it, the new technologies behind it, the massive universe they have to play in (thanks to the world build in the prequels), the 30 years of anticipation, the back log of expanded universe material they can draw from, the new cannon (comics books games). Star Wars 7 is going to open and the second that crawl comes up its going to be pay off, after pay off, after pay off, and it will be fantastic.
At 1:08 Kristian says something that they may be blocking from the prequel. They stated that the prophecy says that the chosen one would "bring balance to the force" perhaps Luke has found or is searching for that balance between light and dark.
I still believe that Kylo Ren is Luke's son obsessed with his grandfather. Rey Solo flows. Either way I'm not going to be disappointed. SO READY FOR THIS MOVIE!!!!
I was wondering the same about Thane and Ciena being Rey's parents too. They are exactly the same age as Luke and Leia as they were born in the same year that the Empire was created and the timeline for Rey's age seems pretty perfect (obviously depending on what happens with Ciena in the next chapter of her story).
Rey is Luke and Leia's daughter. [ Scene on Skellig Island ] Luke : "Rey, I'm your father" Rey: "What? You told me you were my uncle!" Luke: "Well, that's true... from a certain point of view"
Hey guys, does anyone realize that the second last fan question here & the speculation/answers to it so deeply reminds of Dark Empire symbolically! Dark Empire is Expanded Universe & not canon, I know, but we already do know for a fact that the canon DOES use the EU for inspiration & even using some events with new twists, like that the Anakin/Luke blue lightsaber coming back as just one example, that was from the Thrawn trilogy after all & see what has shown up for TFA. I am a major Dark Empire fan myself, I loved the idea of Luke tampering with the Dark Side to understand it & also understand his father, learning about it to do good, but he fails & nearly falls. But that is nearly, never actually falling. If any of that actually does come forth in the new trilogy, even with new twists to it, I'm gonna make back flips of joy! I have always believed that you can never get full understanding of the Force, or as close to that anyway, if you don't study both the Light & Dark. The prequels are not great but they kept the insistance of the balance of the Force. How can there be balance if you just focus on one side? Maybe Luke has been doing something the past 30 years that very few before him, if ever, has done, found knowledge in both the Light & the Dark? And maybe that didn't work out so well? But maybe what he knows, what he has learned will become essential to save the day in this new trilogy? Maybe he was destined to fail so that he could later on be successful? Reminds a lot of his father, after all, who fell first & then redeemed himself. Luke can follow in a similar path but not in actually turning to the Dark.
Mark said Exactly what I was thinking, there is just No way that this film will exceed or be on par with fan expectations, I thinks its Impossible and people will just be disappointed, no matter how good the film turns out to be. It does not need to be the best film so far, it just needs to be at least good, hopefully Brilliant but even then there will be someone that will not be satisfied. I just hope it manages to bring back some of that magic and mysticism of the original, that is all anyone can ask for really. May the Force be strong with this one.
Finally read Aftermath i loved it nice fresh faces and just a hint of familiar characters and some characters who we touched on, cant wait to see more :) Mount Rushmore but just four then from left to right Anakin, Luke, Leia & Rey AKA Mount skywalker
I'd go with Kristian; I'd say 5-10% that they are siblings. There has to be a child of Luke; someone to carry on his legacy. And it makes sense for Rey to be looking for her father. I can't freakin wait for this movie!!!!!!!!!!
Hey, actually there was a version of "Revenge of the Sith" soundtrack from 2005 that included Star Wars: A Musical Journey DVD. It's very cool. It has Ian McDiarmid telling the Star Wars story and it's illustrated with musical clips.
Slightly wild speculation, but I think Rey is Luke's daughter whose memory was wiped as a child by Luke following an attack on his Jedi temple (maybe by the Knights of Ren), who then left Rey to live a safer life on Jakku with an Obi-Wan-like character (possibly Von Sydow) to look over her
I think Kylo is Luke's kid cause it makes sense to me for that for a few reasons. 1. It explains Luke being in hiding. his son went to the Darth Side, and Luke went to be like Obi-Wan after that. 2. Makes the Vader connection more emotional like Kylo sees his dad as a villain that killed the Great Darth Vader. 3. Is a nice twist of the Father and Son angle of the films. With it being father trying to save his son now. not the reverse. 4. Not to sound sexist but if they want the Skywalker name to continue. I think that means Kylo is a Skywalker.
I did see the vid on schmoes when you fellas played with the yoda for a few seconds, but I'd love it if you showed what that thing can do on the show next week. I was expecting it the whole time when you started out talking about what it said.
i remember watching the old repulbic synematic videos when I was younger and always though "why the heck don't they just keep making these? They could make them forever." Honestly, at the end of the day, lets just be so happy that we are actually getting more Star Wars movies. I honestly never thought this would happen, and now that Disney owns the franchise, the skys the limit with Star Wars.
Love Harloff's relentless optimism. Also, happy born day!
Rewatching a lot of these older Jedi council episodes. God I loved these days leading up to Force Awakens.
Now I love the original trilogy, but I don't hold them up as gospel like you guys do. And I think its awesome that you guys have that much passion for the OT, but for me, The Force Awakens definitely has a chance to be the best Star Wars movie to date.
I think the point was that there could be a certain percentage of fans that are going to have very high expectations. Hopefully those fans don't have this notion that is "it better be better than Empire Strikes Back/Return of the Jedi or bust"
+Brooks Wilkins I dont think the original star wars movie is a marvel like they play it out to be. in my opinion it is the weakest of the original trilogy, simply because the emotional impact of most of the scenes isnt as good as the other movies (except Obi vs Vader). The Empire strikes back i would say was edited the best, meaning every second of film isnt wasted. Return of the Jedi in my opinon is the best because more scenes carry more emotional impact (primarily everything between luke and vader and then with the emperor later on)
It will definitely be better than Return of the Jedi and most likely A new Hope but I really doubt it will be better than the Empire Strikes Back
+The Rockingbird . I might be the only one who thought this but I thought revenge of the Sith is better than return of the Jedi.
+Brooks Wilkins i think people will just be happy if this film is better than the prequels
Happy Birthday Kristian! You've really changed my life by getting me into Star Wars. Your show and anything Star Wars in general really gets me going through rough patches in my life. May the force be with you!
Guys, listen to the intro and tell me they don't sing, "Suck on these"!
LOL now I heard it!
+QLCHerald I thought I heard "Suck on me".
Wow!! Thanks for implanting that! Lmao
Then after that it sounds like.these balls.
Cannot. Be. Unheard. HAHAHAHA
I love how you guys are so up to date.
I just read that Costo Connection article yesterday, and now you guys are talking about it.
I love it!!!
If Rey is a Solo, why the hell is she living on her own as a scavenger when she's of royal blood. Did she run away? Was she disowned?
On the other hand, if she's Luke's daughter, and he's disappeared, that would make more sense that she's now on her own and fending for herself.
+coolwhipspecial yeah the whole PRINCESS Leia thing is something that seems to slip people's minds a lot of the time. No one even considers the fact after Jedi that when Han and Leia hook up Han is going to be sitting in some throne room somewhere.
Wait for the movie
+Blake Walker She goes by Queen Leia now. Thats always been the confusing part to me. Is she REALLY better off in this desert planet? I think its one of those situations where Rey would be safer with Han and Leia and a military around her than suffering as a scavenger on Jakku lol...
Seems like shes Lukes baby girl, but her just being a local and offspring of a character in the book would suffice. I was really pulling for Hux to be the big reveal as Lukes son.
+coolwhipspecial Solo's are not royal blood. In fact, Solo's are effectively 'no-bodies' coming from a slaving background. Leia was adopted and raised by the Organa's, so even then, her so called 'nobility' is not really legitimate.
+coolwhipspecial If her planet was blown up why is she royalty at all?
Ha! Awesome seeing my question on your show! And thank you for your in-depth answers
I think BB-8 and Finn are siblings.
Ba dum tss
I was thinking BB8 and Supreme leader Snoke
They do look alike
+Máté Vajda Half siblings. R2 and 3PO had BB-8, and 3PO also had a fling with Solo's "wife"
+Máté Vajda BB8 is a sith lord just watch
This is the best RUclips show ever created. I love it!!! Thank you John.
Yes! I've been waiting all day for this!
Yes I've been waiting for this day for a long time
- Kylo Ren
+Austin Guth don't be afraid
Kylo ren
+alan morton is it true your just a scavenger
+Austin Guth you know what I've come for.
Together we will destroy the resistance...and the last Jedi.
Harloff on Hux - “I think he’s a spy” Well he was right…eventually lol
I think Han and Leia broke up the day after the Battle of Endor. She then had a one night stand with Jar-Jar Binks in which Kylo Ren was conceived. Meanwhile Han, on the rebound, hooked up with Mon Mothma, and they had a daughter named Rey. While force ghost Hayden Christensen having already eliminated his rival, force ghost Sabastian Shaw, decides to play matchmaker. He introduces Luke to Uhura from the Star Trek Universe. With J.J. Abrams officiating, Luke and Uhura marry, and later produce a son named Finn.
I just discovered this show about a month ago, and I absolutely LOVE it!! Keep up the great work!!
When do you guys think the trailer will drop?
End of this month? halfway through November?
Borat69able what? They're gonna have to drop a trailer
+schmoesknow Oct 16th.. I've been seeing/hearing that everywhere past few days.
After I drop the bass.
+schmoesknow Oct 16th
The original trilogy has a special place in our hearts not just because we saw it when we were kids, but it was also the first time that a science fiction film was cinematically ambitious.
Before Star Wars, science fiction primarily consisted of campy low budget serials intended for children. Star Wars was inspired by those serials, such as Buck Rogers and Flash Gordon, but George Lucas managed to bring a depth and urgency to the genre that we had never seen before.
Now that we've seen both the science fiction and fantasy genres evolve throughout the years, a new Star Wars film won't likely have the same visual impact that the original films did, which is why it's crucial that the story carries TFA like no other Star Wars film before it.
There's a few great female characters in canon. My list:
1. Asajj Ventress (Clone Wars, Dark Disciple)
2. Princess Leia
3. Ahsoka Tano (Clone Wars, Rebels)
4. Ciena Ree (Lost Stars)
5. Mon Mothma
6. Isval (Lords of the Sith)
7. Hera Syndulla (Rebels, Kanan comics)
8. Sabine (Rebels, Kanan comics)
9. Satine (Clone Wars)
10. Doctor Aphra (Vader comics)
+Máté Vajda How many of those ladies are canon still?
Garrett Sullivan Its good to see the EU growing in volume again. Thank you by the way.
+Máté Vajda ahsoka? really?
Ivan Cherganski
Yeah, I like her very much. You can hate Ahsoka, that's your opinion, I have no problem with that.
I seriously think that The Clone Wars was her show. It peaked with season 5. After she left, season 6 was just a mess.
I don't understand why Campea hates her so much. Don't forget that she's just a kid in the show. Luke was a whiny stupid kid at the beginning of Star Wars, but he became one of the greatest Jedi we've ever seen. Ep 6 Luke is my favourite character in the whole universe.
I'm sure you'll like Ahsoka in Rebels.
Máté Vajda
You know who else was a whiny kid? Anakin in the prequels
Lovin that new wall crawl intro.
13:54
I agree but the funny thing about your opinion is every time you talk about The Dark Knight Rises you never forget to mention that it's not as good as The Dark Knight...
+evandest1983 And? Two totally different situations. My point was that a movie doesn't have to be as good or better than the previous film to be GREAT. A movie can still be GREAT even if not as good as the original. With THE DARK KNIGHT RISES... it was not a great movie. My problem isn't that it wasn't as good as the previous film... my problem was that it was a significant step backwards in quality and couldn't even be qualified as a great movie on its own merits.
+ColliderVideos
Well I disagree about The Dark Knight Rises not being great lol... but I understand what you mean.
+evandest1983 guys, I...I like the Dark night Rises.
+evandest1983 The Dark Knight Rises isn't a great movie on its own. At best, it's pretty good - but there are so many problems within it and it blows my mind that people give many of the glaring issues a pass.
My Star Wars Mount Rushmore has Darth Sidious :,Darth Vader:,Luke Skywalker.Yoda on it.
Mark's subtle "It's a trap!" was awesome. Good job Mark!
95% Heres my crazy theory: Han and Leia are estranged and split because of the death of their kid(s) a long time ago. They THINK the kids (also twins) are dead, but they were abducted by First Order or Sith (Order of Ren?) forces and raised apart not knowing their heritage. They are Daisy Ridley as orphaned homeless (Kira?)Rey and Adam Driver as Kylo Ren, First Order/Order of Ren(?) enforcer, and force relic Hunter. (Luke & Leia=Kylo & Kira?!?)
Eventually the children will be reunited and revealed to the family (Skywalker-Solo) in Force Awakens, both positively (Rey discovering her heritage off of Jakku) and negatively (Hans death at Kylos hand?!) This creates genuine suspense and mystery, while being a great mirror reflection of Luke & Leia. Unlike the Extended Universe/ Legends material I think Luke grew into his power as a Jedi and NEVER had children, possibly fearing the childs future fate with the darkside. There might have been a Mara Jade, or Mara Jade-like figure in his life, but no kids. I also think Max Von Sydow has been Rey's 'watcher' on Jakku, keeping a devious eye on her development, the evil mirror Ben Kenobi. I'm dying to hear other people's thoughts on this? Am I completely grasping at straws? What are your plot theories?
What is funny is the piece of info that helped me most was the dialogue from the Kylo Ren and Finn talking action figures. Kylo says "you really are just a scavenger" which I interpreted as him talking to Rey because he thought she was a Skywalker, but thinks not because SHE has no real clue who her parents are, until running into Han and fugitive Finn. Kylo is like the mirror Leia but adopted by the Empire/First Order instead of Organa and the Rebels. Rey is the analog for Luke, poor kid stranded in the wasteland only dreaming of more. I also got the idea she is clueless aout her parentage because i heard that she freaks out when she leaves Jakku on the Falcon with Han and Finn because she has never been off world before, and never seen a jungle or snow (types of weather from two of the locations in the film)
***** Here is my thought on that, they get abducted and in the middle of the abduction the ship they are on explodes leading everyone to think they are dead after exhausting an investigation that leads Leia to think they are gone, and Han to resent that notion as he and Chewy fly off exploring every lead no matter what the "odds are" (sorry couldn't resist). That's how they split up.
Meanwhile we learn it was a ploy to kidnap the children and use them for the dark side by what ever villain at that time (First Order, Empire, Knight of Ren, Snoke etc). The explosion was a ruse, maybe made to look like Solo accidentally shot the ship down, adding more tension to Leia and Hans relationship. This is just one spitballed theory i have.
As far as when it happens, it could be directly after Leia gave birth, or a few years later when they are 1 or 2, just as long as its early enough for them to either have no concrete memories of their pasts, or just enough memory to be manipulated into thinking their parents were evil (which is more in line with Kylo Ren).
Now how the two are separated and raised apart could be, as I wildly speculated, purposeful like with Luke and Leia, or accidental. Maybe someone secreted Rey away, maybe Max Von Sydow as this so called described blue alien confidante on Jakku? (Thats from a reported leaked bit of info from the last 2 years of SW speculation and prodding. in all its the best I could come up with. Watch not one thing I'm speculating comes close to being true! lol
+Langley M Neely interesting! I like it!
Thanks!
Im going to say something that will be unpopular with older fans but may be supported by younger ones. These films will probably be better films than the first three. Effects are better, talent is better, and more importantly, the people putting these films out know how much this franchise means to the fans. The reason fans of the originals may not like these as much is simply because they arent the originals. People who watched nosferatu and frankenstein initially believed no movie could be as scary. Why? Simply because there was nothing like it at the time. It does not take away from any of the films that wanted to be original at the time, but the truth is, It was great THEN, however if it came out now, it wouldn't hold a candle to what we have available. I sometimes hear critics ask younger fans to see older movies but i would counter with asking older critics to understand how HARD it is to watch a movie with the production value of a sci fi channel movie when most movies that have come out in our lifetime compare to wide release movies as far as production value. Most things that come out now would get positive reviews in the 1900s. So can you really get upset if young fans of things like star wars think that the movies coming out now will blow the older ones away?
omg, please do a video of all of you guys at disneyland when the event starts lol
I called Rey as Luke's daughter months ago. And with Kristian saying that, my mind exploded with happiness!
I think I'm the only person who can care less about the hunger games. I think that series is the most overrated in movie history.
Older people really don't care for either of those. I would say Avengers and Transformers are massively overrated
+Zero Cool Twilight is straight up trash
+Galaxy Trippin Why do you think you're the only one? There's a fucking army of people out there could care less about 'said' series...
+Galaxy Trippin I won't say they're bad but they aren't the most amazing movies in the world. I especially dislike Mockingjay part 1. What a shitfest.
+Galaxy Trippin that it is. l remember watching the first movie and it was a poorly directed shitfest. people only fell in love with it bcause it wasn't as bad as twiight. Despite having and even more cringe worthy love triangle
Yes! So happy that this is up!
Why do TWO people have to be related to Skywalker and/or Solo? How does that make it a better story? The original trilogy already had two twists regarding family. I feel like repeating the same gag would be to this movie's disadvantage.
love this show. All of the collider side shows I am addicted to them all
30yrs is a long time for Luke to fall in love have kids and then have his wife/gf die off screen or just leave him because he's immersed himself deeply in the force
+Marco Clarke Maybe a flashback?
Matt Palmer definitely a flashback even more than one or stretched over the next 3 movies
+Marco Clarke but he's a jedi though
Ivan Cherganski I think because Anakin had to hide his love which lead him down the path of the dark side that as the Jedi master Luke would change that rule going forward
Marco Clarke
You can't just change the rules
campea seems to be one of those star wars fans that holds the original films as a deity - a god. His "fear" of star wars fans not thinking this movie was as good as the originals so that means they are bad - and then says there is no way it CAN be better than the original. Why does it matter what fans think of the movie? All that matters is what you think. I guarantee campea hates the prequels and calls anyone who enjoys them as "wrong" or not real star wars fans.
I was 6 years old when the phantom menace came out. I was at an age where I couldn't dislike any film - i loved the prequels as a child. As I've grown older, that does not mean I do not enjoy them anymore, although I do realize their flaws. I still like them. Many of the original trilogy fans are cold and unwelcoming to many newer star wars fans because they believe everyone should agree with them that the original trilogy is the holiest of holies. Yes they are better than the prequels, but that doesn't mean I can't enjoy them. All 6 films were part of my childhood, and the next 6 that come out I will still enjoy regardless.
Kylo Ren is a Skywalker.
Luke..........I am your son.
+President Jeb Kush win
+President Jeb Kush a jj style twist. ...hmmm intresting this is
Reynaldo Dominguez III I get goosebumps just thinking about the possibility....
+President Jeb Kush God damn!!!! You sir, you sir made me smile inside and out :)
Tracks from TPM soundtrack released May 4, 1999
15. "Qui-Gon's Noble End"
16. "The High Council Meeting and Qui-Gon's Funeral"
i think Force Awakens is gonna be better then Attack Of The Clones.
Not saying much, though
Attack of the Clones is the worst one.
+Hashirama Senju You are correct.
everything is better than AOTC even Phantom Menace imo.
Kylo Ren = Darth Vader; Supreme Leader Snoke = The Emperor; Captain Phasma = Boba Fett; General Hux = Grand Moff Tarkin. The villain slots have been filled.
Happy birthday! May the force be with you all.
yisss. have been waiting for this all day. got the people at my work who love star wars to start watching this show.
I'm so happy you guys answered my question!! Like seriously I was freaking out. I really liked hearing your guys' thoughts on it.
The question came to me because I was thinking about that Bail is out there speaking out against the empire...he knows more about the emperor than he should...so maybe the emperor tried to have him assassinated or something, or the other way around. Still, I'm glad to hear your thoughts on it.
Awesome episode! Loved that conversation about Bail Organa! Looking forward to see Claudia Gray on the show!
This show makes my day
Don't think Domhnall Gleeson can play a super evil ruthless character? Check out his cameo as a serial killer in Calvary (2014). He's acting across from his actual IRL dad and the crazy sadistic vibe he gives off is chilling. Ruthless is certainly in his acting range.
General Hux is the new Tarkin-esk figure. I don't know if he will live past 7, but I feel he will be taking up that Tarkin roll and will be dark as night.
37:05... love Harloff's reaction.
It's strange. I've never considered myself a huge star wars fan. Sure my dad showed me the original movies when I was a kid and took me to the new ones when they came out, and i liked all of them, but I've never been a hardcore fan of the universe. Yet every week, here I am. Anxiously awaiting Jedi Council. My excitement for the new movie has skyrocketed since watching this show. Seeing how excited they all are about it makes me excited. So thanks guys.
Get out of my head, that's exactly how I feel, I saw Star Wars as a kid thought Empire was and is the best but was always more or a Indian Jones fan but yeah I watch this show religiously.
I am 95% that Rey is Luke's daughter. The only side-note to this is in the behind-the-scenes video that has been released there is a shot with Han and Rey in the cockpit of the Falcon and it LOOKS like a scene being shot. That might suggest that Rey is Han's daughter. I LOVE that there is all of this discussion, which is certainly better than what we had when the prequel trilogy started. CAN'T WAIT!!!!!
DAISY RIDLEY IS SO PRETTY JESUS CHRIST. I love her
I 100% agree with john and his fear of unrealistic expectations. I personally cannot wait for this movie, I got two days off work to watch this movie over and over, but the point is my expectations will be checked before going in. I'm actually quite aware that jj Abrams isn't the greatest of directors, he's good, but not the greatest. My expectations are reasonable for this film, I'm just happy Star Wars is back. And I'm gonna try to convince my friends to think the same way.
Ciena and Thane were about 24-25 at the time of the Battle of Jakku. The Force Awakens happens roughly 30 years after that. So Rey could easily be their daughter.
Love the new scroll at the beginning!
Organa cally, that is comedy gold :D A Billion voices were mouthing along and then laughter.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY/EARTHSTRONG DARTH HARLOFF!!!!!! Loving this programme. Keep it up guys!
Really looking forward to seeing your chat with Claudia Gray. Lost Stars was such a great read. It's one of the best books of the new cannon.
Mount Rushmore
Dark Side: Count Dooku, Emperor, Darth Vader, Grand Moff Tarkin
Light Side: Yoda, Obi-Wan, Luke Skywalker, Princess Leia
Love the bit about expectations- movies aren't publicly traded stock, they shouldn't be valued as such. Keep fighting the good fight!
Happy Birthday Kristian!!
Before the prequel trilogy, we were only given the story of Lukes heritage through old stories. They could still cover that as part of Luke's child's conception by referencing an older story as a possible reason for Luke's potential 'hermit' life. There was never a full real about what happened to Lukes father until that old famous moment we all love. That type of story telling could work again, if done right.
I agree with John about BVS being close to Star Wars instead of Hunger Games. As Star Wars is to Kristian, John and Mark, Batman v Superman is that to me.
Star Wars A Musical Journey came out back in 2006 with the Revenge of the Sith soundtrack, I still have it somewhere, it's very good.
Star Wars The Force Awakens will be the first Star Wars movie that I will ever see in the theater.
Regarding the Dark Side vs Light Side question, my idea was always that the Force is just the Force, it has no good or bad side. It is the intention of the user that makes it good or bad. So a good guy like Luke could certainly tap into some abilities that are typically associated with the Dark Side, without being evil. Luke certainly used the Dark Side in Jedi, like you said. I don't think he could have defeated Vader if he hadn't given in to anger in the end, which is also a Dark Side technique.
my favorite time of the week
Just throwing this out there, but I manage an AMC theatre and I am pretty sure that we have never put tickets on sale on Sunday (Oct. 18th). We have done Monday, Tuesday & Wednesdays...but never Sundays. Keep that in mind.
Legit my favorite show on RUclips. It's not every day that you can witness other people who want to debate Star Wars! I love it! Debating like the Galactic Senate? :P
Luke starts the Jedi Academy on Yavin, General Hux is Ben Skywalker, Kylo Ren is Jacen Solo, Rey is Jaina Solo, Finn becomes a Jedi. Korriban may be explored in this movie or the next two, the Sith return in The Force Awakens.
Love you guys! Total Star Wars Nerds...
I can believe that there are people who know the final Hunger Games is coming and are excited for it that still don't realize there is a new Star Wars. Last week, Tiffany Smith said she has 2 friends who didn't know there was a new movie coming. So I totally can believe the results of that survey on current anticipation.
Glad I found you kids, love the show!!
26:08 "you lazy piece of shit" man I almost died laughing
Love this show! Happy Birthday Darth Harloff!
Once again, great show gentlemen! My SW Mount Rushmore, can only go off the movies/shows I've seen, so I'm leaving out TFA characters as of now. I'll revisit after December 18. Luke from Jedi, Han from Empire, Leia from A New Hope, and Kenobi from Attack of the Clones.
I like the idea that Luke may now be a Jensaarai. It would definitely show that balance can be brought to the Force.
The Jar Jar bones comment was flippin Hilarious.
You were talking about retconning things..Please no time travel. I'm sick of it by now. Lets move forward. Thanks guys and as always, keep bringing that filthy!
As long as it's better than the prequals I'm happy. The originals were the first movies I ever remember watching when I was 3, they have always been a huge part of my life. I grew up seeing the prequals at the cinema (I was born in 1994) & they inspired me to be a fiction writer. Although I know they aren't that good I can watch them endlessly like the originals because it's that Star Wars sensation!
If TFA lives up to half the hype it could easily be seen as better than the originals because, even though to me they make me feel like no other movies do, a lot of people in my generation don't appreciate the originals as many consider them as "old & outdated". Not to mention all the other great movies that have spoilt us the last 2 decades e.g. Lord of the Rings, Dark Knight Trilogy not to mention the best cinema experience I ever had was seeing Avengers Assemble. This new Star Wars could be what A New Hope was to the older generations & me, it could best them all if they get it right.
Star Wars 7 is going to be the best Star Wars film I am positive, I would not even worry. The talent behind it, the new technologies behind it, the massive universe they have to play in (thanks to the world build in the prequels), the 30 years of anticipation, the back log of expanded universe material they can draw from, the new cannon (comics books games).
Star Wars 7 is going to open and the second that crawl comes up its going to be pay off, after pay off, after pay off, and it will be fantastic.
At 1:08 Kristian says something that they may be blocking from the prequel. They stated that the prophecy says that the chosen one would "bring balance to the force" perhaps Luke has found or is searching for that balance between light and dark.
Dennis Lawson has had a great career. I didn't' realise he was in Star Wars till much later.
I have pre-ordered already for the Episode 7 Soundtrack! Thank you Birthday Money!!!!
It wouldn't be that hard for me to see this movie being better than Return of the Jedi
Non-canon (I think), but the Darth Bane books really explored the dark/light side motivations/stimulii. Dark side is driven by passion
I still believe that Kylo Ren is Luke's son obsessed with his grandfather. Rey Solo flows. Either way I'm not going to be disappointed. SO READY FOR THIS MOVIE!!!!
I was wondering the same about Thane and Ciena being Rey's parents too. They are exactly the same age as Luke and Leia as they were born in the same year that the Empire was created and the timeline for Rey's age seems pretty perfect (obviously depending on what happens with Ciena in the next chapter of her story).
MUSIC: Wait for the ultimate package! You can listen to the music on spotify... until it comes out... I hope?
Happy bday Kristian!!!!
Rey is Luke and Leia's daughter.
[ Scene on Skellig Island ]
Luke : "Rey, I'm your father"
Rey: "What? You told me you were my uncle!"
Luke: "Well, that's true... from a certain point of view"
Hey guys, does anyone realize that the second last fan question here & the speculation/answers to it so deeply reminds of Dark Empire symbolically! Dark Empire is Expanded Universe & not canon, I know, but we already do know for a fact that the canon DOES use the EU for inspiration & even using some events with new twists, like that the Anakin/Luke blue lightsaber coming back as just one example, that was from the Thrawn trilogy after all & see what has shown up for TFA. I am a major Dark Empire fan myself, I loved the idea of Luke tampering with the Dark Side to understand it & also understand his father, learning about it to do good, but he fails & nearly falls. But that is nearly, never actually falling. If any of that actually does come forth in the new trilogy, even with new twists to it, I'm gonna make back flips of joy! I have always believed that you can never get full understanding of the Force, or as close to that anyway, if you don't study both the Light & Dark. The prequels are not great but they kept the insistance of the balance of the Force. How can there be balance if you just focus on one side? Maybe Luke has been doing something the past 30 years that very few before him, if ever, has done, found knowledge in both the Light & the Dark? And maybe that didn't work out so well? But maybe what he knows, what he has learned will become essential to save the day in this new trilogy? Maybe he was destined to fail so that he could later on be successful? Reminds a lot of his father, after all, who fell first & then redeemed himself. Luke can follow in a similar path but not in actually turning to the Dark.
Mark said Exactly what I was thinking, there is just No way that this film will exceed or be on par with fan expectations, I thinks its Impossible and people will just be disappointed, no matter how good the film turns out to be. It does not need to be the best film so far, it just needs to be at least good, hopefully Brilliant but even then there will be someone that will not be satisfied. I just hope it manages to bring back some of that magic and mysticism of the original, that is all anyone can ask for really. May the Force be strong with this one.
it's entertaining seeing Campea and Harloff go back and forth, lol
both die hard fans, just in differnt ways.
Happy birthday to the Dark Lord of the Sith himself, Darth Harloff!
I'm going into this movie completely open to it because I absolutely LOVE the original trilogy but I'm not blinded by nostalgia.
Finally read Aftermath i loved it nice fresh faces and just a hint of familiar characters and some characters who we touched on, cant wait to see more :)
Mount Rushmore but just four then from left to right Anakin, Luke, Leia & Rey AKA Mount skywalker
Happy Birthday Kristian dude!
REY: "where are we going?"
HAN: "We need to find your crazy uncle Luke"
I'd go with Kristian; I'd say 5-10% that they are siblings. There has to be a child of Luke; someone to carry on his legacy. And it makes sense for Rey to be looking for her father. I can't freakin wait for this movie!!!!!!!!!!
Hey, actually there was a version of "Revenge of the Sith" soundtrack from 2005 that included Star Wars: A Musical Journey DVD. It's very cool. It has Ian McDiarmid telling the Star Wars story and it's illustrated with musical clips.
Happy Birthday Harloff
A Musical Journey Disc was on the Episode III soundtrack.
Slightly wild speculation, but I think Rey is Luke's daughter whose memory was wiped as a child by Luke following an attack on his Jedi temple (maybe by the Knights of Ren), who then left Rey to live a safer life on Jakku with an Obi-Wan-like character (possibly Von Sydow) to look over her
I think Kylo is Luke's kid cause it makes sense to me for that for a few reasons.
1. It explains Luke being in hiding. his son went to the Darth Side, and Luke went to be like Obi-Wan after that.
2. Makes the Vader connection more emotional like Kylo sees his dad as a villain that killed the Great Darth Vader.
3. Is a nice twist of the Father and Son angle of the films. With it being father trying to save his son now. not the reverse.
4. Not to sound sexist but if they want the Skywalker name to continue. I think that means Kylo is a Skywalker.
#StarWarsMtRushmore!!!
1.Luke Skywaker
2.Yoda
3.Revin
4.Obi-wan Kenobi
5.Qui-Gon Jinn
I did see the vid on schmoes when you fellas played with the yoda for a few seconds, but I'd love it if you showed what that thing can do on the show next week. I was expecting it the whole time when you started out talking about what it said.
i remember watching the old repulbic synematic videos when I was younger and always though "why the heck don't they just keep making these? They could make them forever." Honestly, at the end of the day, lets just be so happy that we are actually getting more Star Wars movies. I honestly never thought this would happen, and now that Disney owns the franchise, the skys the limit with Star Wars.