@@garchompdude She brought her gear to my station in the armory for Summer Nats in San Jose a few years ago...a good sneeze would blow Lee across a room!
This is an amazing strategy. When she lets her opponents know this is in her toolbox is when it truly shines. It forces the attacking fencer to hesitate and change attack angles which opens up great opportunities to sneak in a counterattack or find a parry. If anyone wants to build their strength up to do this, try incorporating pistol squats and Cossack squats into your conditioning.
woowww this is so fun to watch- I cant imagine ever doing that though. My knees would hurt so horribly afterwards. But I’m amazed she can pull that off.
I’ve seen plenty of fencers do the reverse of this where they go down but on the front leg during a lunge. Never seen someone do it like this over and over, and so cleanly. It looks automated
I think he meant before the foil timing was changed a decade or so ago. I mean it is true that before then, fencers' blades would be bending all the time.
There are many, just not going back onto the back foot. My favorite one is when homer backs up to the end of the piste, runs towards his opponent, then duck fives
There is a russian sabre fencer, probably not very famous, who had such a photo as his cover photo on facebook. On the back line, taking a parry 5 while in the "Pustilnik" squat position. I tried it, but for me it was only feasible if the speed of retreat was somewhat slow. Anything close to the normal fencing speed of sabre and I had the feeling I was risking serious injury if suddenly jumping into the squat with all the force going into my knee and waist.
I've seen it done for counterparries in the box, but I don't think it would be possible or useful to use it for a counterattack the way you can in foil
Damn that's impressive but also feel like it's a gimmick that could easily be used against her if a higher skilled fencer knows its coming... but still bruh she does that so easily without much thought at all wow
By squatting, it significantly significantly reduces the target area at the risk of mobility. The best way to defeat this strategy is to either to move laterally for a better angle or to flick on the back. Unfortunately, modern foil fencers haven't incorporated lateral movement into their repertiore. And, in women's foil (although I see it occasionally in men's), women don't flick very much.
Didn't she win the junior worlds? In any event I don't know how long she can do this effectively given the amount of strength this must take to do repetitively. I guess time will tell. He quads must be insanely strong
@@researchmode8540 She's at my home club. I have a very flick heavy game and the combination of her movement and target displacement is absolutely absurd. I have fenced a lot of top fencers and there is nobody harder to put your point on. It looks like "Oh just flick it's easy." It's not. She twists and arches her back and with the chest protector, there's like a grand total of two inches of target open at any time that's not covered by her arm or angled so your tip bounces off.
@@marshallyaklin Hey, you might be right since I haven't fenced her and I'm speculating. But, I can't see how you can't either get her back or her 4 due to her decrease in mobility when she squats like that. It's not like it's particularly fast, no?
@@researchmode8540 She looks fairly upright - I also have a fairly flick heavy game and it really doesn't look like she is opening much of a back flick target, and her front is pretty heavily displaced too. She looks like a complete nightmare to hit.
In trying this a bit myself in training, I've found it's more doable if you take a wider en garde stance. Even still, I can't do it with the speed, smoothness, or frequency Pustilnik does it. I have found it useful to throw in when backed up at the end of the strip, though. If someone is looking for an opening and you're backed up to the end, they don't expect you to be able to take more distance like that.
I know this is supposed to be a sabre channel but sometimes I can't help myself
Yesssss, learn to use the dark side of the force.....
@Automne uh huh
Nicole is Lee Keifer-tiny. I saw her doing this move years ago in SoCal.
It’s amazing how this is still accurate despite the fact that lee keifer is fucking 5’2”
@@garchompdude She brought her gear to my station in the armory for Summer Nats in San Jose a few years ago...a good sneeze would blow Lee across a room!
This is an amazing strategy. When she lets her opponents know this is in her toolbox is when it truly shines. It forces the attacking fencer to hesitate and change attack angles which opens up great opportunities to sneak in a counterattack or find a parry.
If anyone wants to build their strength up to do this, try incorporating pistol squats and Cossack squats into your conditioning.
woowww this is so fun to watch- I cant imagine ever doing that though. My knees would hurt so horribly afterwards. But I’m amazed she can pull that off.
I’ve seen plenty of fencers do the reverse of this where they go down but on the front leg during a lunge. Never seen someone do it like this over and over, and so cleanly. It looks automated
Great video! Can't get over how bad the English announcers are, though.
I can’t get past some of the horrible announcers.... “Back when the flick was allowed in foil”!!?? Where do they find these uninformed boring people.
They sound like they don't even want to be there lol.
I think he meant before the foil timing was changed a decade or so ago. I mean it is true that before then, fencers' blades would be bending all the time.
Let's be generous, maybe he meant back when the flick was allowed in foil, like 30 seconds ago.
There may be a young flexible Sabre fencer out there who can use this to force a parry 5.
There are many, just not going back onto the back foot. My favorite one is when homer backs up to the end of the piste, runs towards his opponent, then duck fives
There is a russian sabre fencer, probably not very famous, who had such a photo as his cover photo on facebook. On the back line, taking a parry 5 while in the "Pustilnik" squat position. I tried it, but for me it was only feasible if the speed of retreat was somewhat slow. Anything close to the normal fencing speed of sabre and I had the feeling I was risking serious injury if suddenly jumping into the squat with all the force going into my knee and waist.
I've seen it done for counterparries in the box, but I don't think it would be possible or useful to use it for a counterattack the way you can in foil
Damn that's impressive but also feel like it's a gimmick that could easily be used against her if a higher skilled fencer knows its coming... but still bruh she does that so easily without much thought at all wow
By squatting, it significantly significantly reduces the target area at the risk of mobility. The best way to defeat this strategy is to either to move laterally for a better angle or to flick on the back. Unfortunately, modern foil fencers haven't incorporated lateral movement into their repertiore. And, in women's foil (although I see it occasionally in men's), women don't flick very much.
Didn't she win the junior worlds? In any event I don't know how long she can do this effectively given the amount of strength this must take to do repetitively. I guess time will tell. He quads must be insanely strong
@@researchmode8540 She's at my home club. I have a very flick heavy game and the combination of her movement and target displacement is absolutely absurd. I have fenced a lot of top fencers and there is nobody harder to put your point on. It looks like "Oh just flick it's easy." It's not. She twists and arches her back and with the chest protector, there's like a grand total of two inches of target open at any time that's not covered by her arm or angled so your tip bounces off.
@@marshallyaklin Hey, you might be right since I haven't fenced her and I'm speculating. But, I can't see how you can't either get her back or her 4 due to her decrease in mobility when she squats like that. It's not like it's particularly fast, no?
@@researchmode8540 She looks fairly upright - I also have a fairly flick heavy game and it really doesn't look like she is opening much of a back flick target, and her front is pretty heavily displaced too. She looks like a complete nightmare to hit.
If she can make it work, good for her! This is like tai chi footwork on steroids! Excellent sense of distance and leg strength probably help alot.
Prob not so good for her knees tho
How does she still have a knee tho
If you are as light as she is it's probably not too bad
In trying this a bit myself in training, I've found it's more doable if you take a wider en garde stance. Even still, I can't do it with the speed, smoothness, or frequency Pustilnik does it. I have found it useful to throw in when backed up at the end of the strip, though. If someone is looking for an opening and you're backed up to the end, they don't expect you to be able to take more distance like that.
Wide stance, lightweight and good mobility. I do this semi frequently (not quite as fast though 😅)
This must be one of the most annoying things to be hit with
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