I had a Revel model that I built in 1973. Had it hanging from the ceiling with sewing thread. Had a very sharp angle of attack as if it were diving in to drop ordinance. I had no idea that 9 years later, I'd be sitting in one while attending A.M.E. A1 school at N.A.S. Millington, TN. Fly Navy! Go Rampagers!
Was at AE "A" school in 1978! Grad Nov that year, some leave, and flew to Philly, to England, to Milan Italy, bussed to Trieste Italy, n got on USS America CV-66 w/VF-114 Aarrdvarks outa NAS Miramar Fighter Town USA! Great.. no the BEST years of my young life, wouldnt trade for 50 million bux! It was FAR better!
He talks about “a lot of air pressure coming off the airplane”. In F-4s, when a wingman is tucked in really close to his flight lead, the lead can actually feel the disturbed airflow between the overlapped wings.
Was regularly deeply impressed serving on a tin can escorting CVs, with F-4s landing/launching. The sound from their engine inlets sounded like the moan of a phantom, and ... that POWER.
these shorts on the older Blue Angels jets are great, I wish I was around to see them fly. Heavenly had the pleasure of watching the f-18 blue Angels fly. The F-4s and A-4's were before my time. Great to hear the stories thanks for sharing 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
I love the Phantom I think it is a beautiful bird. I remember the first time seeing one at an air show in Dallas and instantly fell in love. The amazing sound and I love those Smokey engines on take off
Absolutely correct even in a flight simulator the pressures that come off the F4 due to the geometry of the wings. It is one of my all-time favorites. I'm a little biased being a navy man but I do love that F4 phantom
Never will forget the time three of us were walking through the woods near a lake at Boy Scout camp and saw and F-4 flying low over to the lake. The apparently saw us all alone in the woods at the edge of the lake as they came back even lower and slower. They turned right over us and they both waved at us as we waved back. Was so cool....and LOUD.
I used to watch the Blue Angels for years when they did shows out of NAS MIRAMAR. The cool part was that I could watch them from my home because I used live about a couple miles from the base. Also, they would fly overhead above the house and down the street. They are the BEST of the BEST!!! Be safe and be 😎
I remember when you came to Moffatt Field, Mountain View CA …. You flew over my parents house when I was a kid…. Loved the F4 …. Sooooo freaking loud …… then the F4 became the Red Devils ….. love you, big hug.
The F4 phantom is one of my most favorite planes! When I was about 3 years old my dad and one of his friends sat me down in the cockpit of an F4 phantom when they were in the Air Force. I used to have a picture with me sitting in it. I'll have to find that picture. But I'd love to own one in the RC version.
Grew up on N.A.S. 's I was fortunate enough in my youth to see both the phantoms and aggressors. As an adult have seen the hornets many times. Phantoms were my favorite team to watch. Love them all of course.
We had a lot of F-4's at DaNang in 1970-71. In Thailand they came screaming down the flightline with afterburners blazing, felt like they were going to knock us out of the sack. They are just one nasty looking jet!
that had to have been cool, I love the F-4's, they have always looked like 1 nasty aircraft. What did your dad do after the war? and where was he stationed?@@jefclark
@@larrybaker5316 Ubon. He went stateside/flew F4Ds as a WSO to the late 70s in places like Torrejone Spain going TDY to Incirlik. By the time I came around he had been medically grounded and was in military intelligence. It *was* cool but it often wasnt. That war destroyed him, it consumed him ,it just got worse. When the 90s were around and I was a young kid my mom left him and he took it really hard, was very suicidal and drinking far too much. This is probably why he plateaued at Lt Col and retired after 34 years in in the early 2000s or something. Hes passed away now and though our relationship was... just totally gone by the end of his life I truly hope hes found peace and gotten over the guilt that emerged every few months that he wasnt killed in Vietnam instead of other people he knew. As far as his war service? I mean he had moments he found absolutely terrifying. But never saw a mig except on radar and it was fleeing, just random flak and bombing featureless jungle mostly. Otherwise he wouldnt discuss it. His friend Dave G in B52s was in Linebacker II and never discussed itwhatsoever except once called it a 'fucking mess' which was the only time I ever heard him even say any cuss word at all. I'll also say that my dad worshipped his post war Squadron CO Roger Lauchert who had been downed over N Vietnam in 72 I believe and was the longest in - the jungle running - downed US aviator at 3 weeks before he got sucessfully extracted. I still remember the awe looking at Laucherts .45 at the USAF museum in Ohio. My dad was the best dad ever and also a terrible dad, a broken man. Hed show affefction materially but didnt know how to otherwise. He'd do amazing great stuff, take me shooting guns or find us a ride in a real biplane for an half hour, random cool stuff, but in the end his demons just got worse and worse and he became a bitter old hermit, who (yes sounds crazy) Im pretty convinced his new wife killed. I didnt even know he was dead 3-4 years. Anyways, Im really conflicted about him as you can tell. you can really love and respect someone and despise everything about them too. I wish you nothing but the best. My dad always held the flightline and groundcrews in the highest regards. One of my earliest lessons about war was that nothing works without men working insane hours for a plane to fly 1, or men doing less 'glorious' stuff like driving a truck or whatever.
They did a show in Rochester when I was very young. It was the early '70's. We lived very close to the Monroe County Airport. The commercial jets still had the older pre-high bypass engines and were very loud, but those Phantoms were deafening.
The 2008 Chicago Air Show was the only major one I ever got to. They did a 4 aircraft formation with a P-51, an F-4, an F-15 and an F-22 . What impressed me was that, visually at least, the F-4 looked about 5 times as big as the P-51 .
I was a very poor formation pilot in the F4 until we had a former Blue Angel pilot join our Squadron he taught me this SAME trick - trim OUT of neutral - this keeps the jet in constant reaction to stick movements without the 'slop' of a large in-trim stick
Impressionante ! O que é a máquina o piloto envelhece , cabelos grisalhos rugas , mas o monstro de aço chamado F4 Phantom , ainda permanece jovem , embora obsoleto e não mais operacionais ! 😊😊😊
my great grandfather was a flight instructor not sure what branch cause he was a merchant marine but he taught pilots to fly the f4 phantom he had a model of one on his desk even, I know cause an old picture, he loved them. Apparently he was the third person on the east coast to have an actual license to teach people to fly. Something that's pretty bad is that my uncle now has his merchant marine sword after my grandfather passed cause he had it which most of his belonging instantly became my uncles somehow and he won't even let anyone of us see it, if he even still has it if he ain't pawned it.
Before i knew of the F22, the F4 Phantom was my favorite. The 22 is my favorite fighter now, but the F4 just has that heavy BRUTALITY feel to it. The 22 is an assassin; In and Out, no one knows I'm Here The F4? "Remember, no Russian."
By putting that trim in you are not pushing and pulling the stick as much as easing off the pull. When he starts moving up and needs to slide down a little to maintain station on Boss he just eases off the pulling pressure. Every pilot flying formation uses that technique but not to that amount of trim.
Great question, the Blue Angels did not fly with RIOs during their time in the F4, however, Crew Chiefs would often leverage the back seat to travel to show sites.
I had a Revel model that I built in 1973. Had it hanging from the ceiling with sewing thread. Had a very sharp angle of attack as if it were diving in to drop ordinance. I had no idea that 9 years later, I'd be sitting in one while attending A.M.E. A1 school at N.A.S. Millington, TN. Fly Navy! Go Rampagers!
Was at AE "A" school in 1978! Grad Nov that year, some leave, and flew to Philly, to England, to Milan Italy, bussed to Trieste Italy, n got on USS America CV-66 w/VF-114 Aarrdvarks outa NAS Miramar Fighter Town USA! Great.. no the BEST years of my young life, wouldnt trade for 50 million bux! It was FAR better!
He talks about “a lot of air pressure coming off the airplane”. In F-4s, when a wingman is tucked in really close to his flight lead, the lead can actually feel the disturbed airflow between the overlapped wings.
The phantoms were so beautiful. Those twin engines were powerful.
I got to run those engines all the time. Real power!
@@bernarddavis4379that must have been unreal to run these up like that.
As a USMC Vietnam grunt ('68-'69), the most beautiful sight was F-4s coming in for close air support when you were in trouble. Love that sight!
Was regularly deeply impressed serving on a tin can escorting CVs, with F-4s landing/launching. The sound from their engine inlets sounded like the moan of a phantom, and ... that POWER.
these shorts on the older Blue Angels jets are great, I wish I was around to see them fly. Heavenly had the pleasure of watching the f-18 blue Angels fly. The F-4s and A-4's were before my time. Great to hear the stories thanks for sharing 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
The f 4 is the badass of all fighter jets...it commanded respect. Just a beautiful bird.
Don’t know much about how they handle but as support in Vietnam we absolutely loved having them roll in for an attack
I asked my Dad about his new F-4 in 1966 he said the F-8 He flew from 1960 till 1965 was much simpler but this aircraft was way more Exciting !
I love the Phantom I think it is a beautiful bird. I remember the first time seeing one at an air show in Dallas and instantly fell in love. The amazing sound and I love those Smokey engines on take off
Thank you Mr;O'Mars,you're super hero.
…one of my all-time favorite aircrafts…
Absolutely correct even in a flight simulator the pressures that come off the F4 due to the geometry of the wings. It is one of my all-time favorites. I'm a little biased being a navy man but I do love that F4 phantom
Never will forget the time three of us were walking through the woods near a lake at Boy Scout camp and saw and F-4 flying low over to the lake. The apparently saw us all alone in the woods at the edge of the lake as they came back even lower and slower. They turned right over us and they both waved at us as we waved back. Was so cool....and LOUD.
It’s a beautiful a/craft in my book and not just because it’s the only fighter I was able to get a “hop” in(back seat of course)!!🇺🇸🇺🇸
from the ground it looks so perfect and smooth. From the pilots view its nail biting chaos. TOTAL SKILLS
true. Pilots were cocky back then because they had to be!
The A-4s put on the best Blue Angel display. Amazing roll rate.
My first air shows as a kid was watching the A-4 Blues. The Hornet eventually became my favorite plane but those early shows were fun.
The F-4 is my favorite Aircraft. I was Crash Fire Rescue in the Marine Corps. I loved sitting next to the Runway and watching the F-4s all day.
I used to watch the Blue Angels for years when they did shows out of NAS MIRAMAR. The cool part was that I could watch them from my home because I used live about a couple miles from the base. Also, they would fly overhead above the house and down the street. They are the BEST of the BEST!!!
Be safe and be 😎
Nothing else sounds like a J79 engine. I miss that Phantom howl!
My dads favorite plane ever! He was in the Navy back in the late 60's and fell in love with them.
I remember when you came to Moffatt Field, Mountain View CA …. You flew over my parents house when I was a kid….
Loved the F4 …. Sooooo freaking loud …… then the F4 became the Red Devils ….. love you, big hug.
The F4 phantom is one of my most favorite planes! When I was about 3 years old my dad and one of his friends sat me down in the cockpit of an F4 phantom when they were in the Air Force. I used to have a picture with me sitting in it. I'll have to find that picture. But I'd love to own one in the RC version.
Grew up on N.A.S. 's I was fortunate enough in my youth to see both the phantoms and aggressors. As an adult have seen the hornets many times. Phantoms were my favorite team to watch. Love them all of course.
I loved the Phantoms!!!
Thank you for helping show them off… they especially looked beautiful in Blue and Gold ❤😊🌟💫
We had a lot of F-4's at DaNang in 1970-71. In Thailand they came screaming down the flightline with afterburners blazing, felt like they were going to knock us out of the sack. They are just one nasty looking jet!
You were in Nam and Thailand? What Udorn?
yeah, our unit was moved from da nang to udorn...were you there also?@@jefclark
@@larrybaker5316 ha no sir I wasnt even alive. My father was a WSO in phantoms though in 71/72
that had to have been cool, I love the F-4's, they have always looked like 1 nasty aircraft. What did your dad do after the war? and where was he stationed?@@jefclark
@@larrybaker5316 Ubon. He went stateside/flew F4Ds as a WSO to the late 70s in places like Torrejone Spain going TDY to Incirlik. By the time I came around he had been medically grounded and was in military intelligence.
It *was* cool but it often wasnt. That war destroyed him, it consumed him ,it just got worse. When the 90s were around and I was a young kid my mom left him and he took it really hard, was very suicidal and drinking far too much. This is probably why he plateaued at Lt Col and retired after 34 years in in the early 2000s or something.
Hes passed away now and though our relationship was... just totally gone by the end of his life I truly hope hes found peace and gotten over the guilt that emerged every few months that he wasnt killed in Vietnam instead of other people he knew.
As far as his war service? I mean he had moments he found absolutely terrifying. But never saw a mig except on radar and it was fleeing, just random flak and bombing featureless jungle mostly. Otherwise he wouldnt discuss it. His friend Dave G in B52s was in Linebacker II and never discussed itwhatsoever except once called it a 'fucking mess' which was the only time I ever heard him even say any cuss word at all.
I'll also say that my dad worshipped his post war Squadron CO Roger Lauchert who had been downed over N Vietnam in 72 I believe and was the longest in - the jungle running - downed US aviator at 3 weeks before he got sucessfully extracted.
I still remember the awe looking at Laucherts .45 at the USAF museum in Ohio.
My dad was the best dad ever and also a terrible dad, a broken man. Hed show affefction materially but didnt know how to otherwise. He'd do amazing great stuff, take me shooting guns or find us a ride in a real biplane for an half hour, random cool stuff, but in the end his demons just got worse and worse and he became a bitter old hermit, who (yes sounds crazy) Im pretty convinced his new wife killed. I didnt even know he was dead 3-4 years. Anyways, Im really conflicted about him as you can tell. you can really love and respect someone and despise everything about them too.
I wish you nothing but the best. My dad always held the flightline and groundcrews in the highest regards. One of my earliest lessons about war was that nothing works without men working insane hours for a plane to fly 1, or men doing less 'glorious' stuff like driving a truck or whatever.
stability augmentation system....and arm wrestling...truly and ARMSTRONG COMBINATION...
They did a show in Rochester when I was very young. It was the early '70's. We lived very close to the Monroe County Airport. The commercial jets still had the older pre-high bypass engines and were very loud, but those Phantoms were deafening.
The 2008 Chicago Air Show was the only major one I ever got to. They did a 4 aircraft formation with a P-51, an F-4, an F-15 and an F-22 . What impressed me was that, visually at least, the F-4 looked about 5 times as big as the P-51 .
Wow!!! I can't imagine the intense level of stress to feel you are always in full control. What mental focus sir, SALUTE.
Thank you, Mr. O'Mars for your service.
Fly Navy 💫 🇺🇲♥️🇺🇲
Its a gorgeous airplane
Phantoms of the air in their time second to none!
The F-4: Proof that given enough thrust, even a brick can fly!
As an 80s kids who saw Top Gun, the F14 was the coolest fighter but the Phantom was always a close second.
Used to tune racing the same
The meanest looking warplane of the jet age. Hands down. 👊
✌ ❤ 😊 Thank-you for your Story's
Ok, watching the F4 flying that close and seeing them wiggle THAT much....yeah, absolute mad respect for that!
Original love is the F4
I was a very poor formation pilot in the F4
until we had a former Blue Angel pilot join our Squadron
he taught me this SAME trick - trim OUT of neutral -
this keeps the jet in constant reaction to stick movements without the 'slop' of a large in-trim stick
Impressionante ! O que é a máquina o piloto envelhece , cabelos grisalhos rugas , mas o monstro de aço chamado F4 Phantom , ainda permanece jovem , embora obsoleto e não mais operacionais ! 😊😊😊
FLY NAVY!
my great grandfather was a flight instructor not sure what branch cause he was a merchant marine but he taught pilots to fly the f4 phantom he had a model of one on his desk even, I know cause an old picture, he loved them. Apparently he was the third person on the east coast to have an actual license to teach people to fly. Something that's pretty bad is that my uncle now has his merchant marine sword after my grandfather passed cause he had it which most of his belonging instantly became my uncles somehow and he won't even let anyone of us see it, if he even still has it if he ain't pawned it.
I would love for these guys to get in the f18s
these guys are from a different cloth
God Bless The Blues! VF-151 in 85 into the transition - 161 didn’t make it 😢. VIGI first tour.
What a hero
Before i knew of the F22, the F4 Phantom was my favorite.
The 22 is my favorite fighter now, but the F4 just has that heavy BRUTALITY feel to it.
The 22 is an assassin; In and Out, no one knows I'm Here
The F4? "Remember, no Russian."
I was a crew Chief on F4-E ... They are proof you put big enough engine on even a brick can fly!
These guys are great!!!
Snowbirds also fly out of trim to stay out of the free play in the controls. Guess the blues and tbirds don’t anymore as both have fbw.
Brass Balls, God Bless you Sir
USS FORRESTAL CV-59 82-84
F4 topguns. Upgraded at Philadelphia Naval Shipyard 83.
Semper Fortis
Semper Fidelis
The explanation is perfect, but I still don't feel quite ready to fly that thing myself
Thanks for letting people know gosh I didn't know that I can tell you that much
Kind of crazy he flew with the roll and pitch trim to the extremes. That sounds like it would make it harder to me.
Yeah, I don’t get that either. What’s the point?
By putting that trim in you are not pushing and pulling the stick as much as easing off the pull. When he starts moving up and needs to slide down a little to maintain station on Boss he just eases off the pulling pressure. Every pilot flying formation uses that technique but not to that amount of trim.
Very nice 👏
Hard to believe that it’s really one airplane and three properly placed mirrors. In tow!
Cool so its never calm its always have to push or do something to the sitck pin pls
Thankyou. Navy Nurse
Wow!
Had to of been a handful at lower speeds bc it's so big and has a higher stall speed.
I wonder how many we have sitting in the desert.
Messed up his last name!!
He was always one of my aviation icons.
Love my military
Holly shit
Who's Holly?
Did RIOs fly backseat during exhibitions? What was their job if they did? Curious....
Great question, the Blue Angels did not fly with RIOs during their time in the F4, however, Crew Chiefs would often leverage the back seat to travel to show sites.
✌ ❤ 😊 Thank-Yo
F-4's : the ol smokin slo-pokes that looked like they were on the verge of falling out of the sky
F'-4s. are all weather interceptor
has rendundacy syestems .
The f14A Would to many problems if went to Vietnam
The F-14 was in Vietnam
Flying brick
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Negative dihedral’s! If it wasn’t for the engines it would never fly! I don’t think so.
No different than an F18.....
The F4 all round was a piece of crap aircraft.