Wife told me a half dozen times to repair the arbor I had made for her. Ours is 4x4 posts with horizontal trellace. It stayed somewhere between 9 and 10 on my list of things to do all summer. Now it is on the verge of collapse. I'm trying to come up with a way to blame it either on the chickens or the dog.
The grapes are very heavy themselves.When you harvest them it will be easier to push it back up.Trimming now will do damage to next years harvest.The vines need the leaves for the sugars it provides for the plants.
Even fallen down like it is, it is still beautiful. I would use 2 in plastic pipes (or long 2x4) to temporarily; get it back up into place, and then I would use 4x4in posts, with a 4x4 cross member at the top, in the center of the structure for added stability. I would only trim the top by the house.
What about making a horizontal cross brace lengthwise down the cattle panels and then brace that against the house - kind of like upside down roof trusses? I'm seeing a series of triangles up high going down the length of the cattle panels. One side of the triangles is the outer wall of the house. The horizontal bottom of the triangles is the "beam" from the house to the new lengthwise brace on the cattle panel, and the hypotenuse goes from the new horizontal lengthwise brace on the cattle panel to the top where the panels attach to the house. I hope that makes sense.
depending on the length use gray electrical pipe large enough to fit over the T post and put a bolt in the house to secure it on the house side and it will bow the area up you can secure them with cable ties to the trellis
Hit the nail on the head...trimming is key to keeping the grapes doing their thing. Early spring, do your trimming. Grapes love to be kept to a much smaller size, otherwise they do what happened to you.
Stinks that it popped in. It was so nice looking when we were down there. Maybe bending conduit would be easier than rebar? Just thinking in text here... I do think it is going to end up needing some sort of extra support. Maybe even just a couple of verticals to help keep it up there? Either way, sharing both the successes and the struggles is important, thanks for sharing.
I think you'll need to add at least 2 support beams, one on each end up against the house (if you really want to keep the path clear), to help bear the weight in addition to adding some more rigid structures in the mesh wire. Personally I'd probably put at least 2 support wooden posts with t-bars about 1/4 the way in from each end if that makes sense...like if the path is 12 feet, I'd walk in 3 feet and put a support then exit and go in from the other end and walk 3 feet and put a support in the middle of the path each time, annoying having to zig zag around them but structurally probably the best placement. You'll want something like a t-bar shape at the top to distribute the weight load and get more bang for the buck on support. I think you might be able to get away with only 2 additional supports, if you also do some trimming, but agree you want to leave as much of the older vines as possible for good growth next season.
I think you are correct that if I do put in posts that putting a T type structure would be the best approach, but I'd probably go in 1/3 on each side, just so there is less gap in the middle.
could do a jib strut . yes i had to google it too . upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4a/Crane_machine_slewing_platform.svg/497px-Crane_machine_slewing_platform.svg.png so tie a rope to the top and bottom of your fence with a post or " jib strut" pushing the arch up . Note if the rope has an arc going the opposite way of your fence it will resist side to side motion also the post will try and move up or down your rope so put in a knot above and below the post on the rope so it cant slide out i would recommend these knots ruclips.net/video/fUS-z9xdQac/видео.html and if you had some hands to help steady the posts of struts from moving around you may be able to push the fence frame back with all of this . good luck and God bless
Gabled arch aluminum tubing 1 1/2 - 2 inch diameter. Single tubes, bent at angle for continuous pillar and arch. 5-6 (or more) underneath your fence meshing holding it up (and whether you further put in cross beams holding entire structure intact and not wiggling side-to-side. Concrete in arch, and attach to house via joist plates. www.gothicarchgreenhouses.com/gable-greenhouses.htm
Jared, I can see this quickly becoming your arch nemesis, pardon the pun. I have had issues very similar to this on different projects, where the theory did not result in good practice. You were right in that the arch is too tall and too far away to be structurally sound. The material, cattle panel, will continue to fail, it simply isn't the right product for this. Every grape orchard, vineyard, etc I have seen has always been low lined on very sturdy posts. My grandparents farm had a very substantial framework made out of 4x4 posts and joists that created a space similar to yours, but again, the materials were much more robust. The bottom line is I simply don't think this setup will be successful long term. If I were in your shoes, I would not want to sit here and listen to some yourtuber poo poo my design and tell me how it was a failure from the start, Jared this is not my point, far from it. Over the next few years, I can see you coming up with multiple ways to fix this, that may eventually fail or that you are not happy with, simply due to he original materials. After several years of this, you may simply decide to start over and "fix it like you should have the first time." I fall into this trap quite often. If you haven't stopped reading my troll like comment (again not my intent, but I can see how it appears that way) by now, I have a suggestion. I would not want to cut the vines and start over either, but I don't think you really have much choice. As a solution, would you consider building a much more substantial trellace at another spot on the property, start new vines from cutting of this vine, or from new and letting it develop over the next few years. Over those years put whatever bandaids you need to use to keep this one going, and over time when you are ready to give up on it, you will already have another established vine several years old that you are harvesting from. The pain of your ultimate resolution for this vine, will not be as painful when you have an established vine already producing. In the end, if I am completely wrong about this and you have developed a kick butt solution, well then you now have two very productive awesome grape vines. Again, I'm not doubting you, or your talents, but I have done things like this on my property several times, creating an alternative and dealt with the other issues until I eventually gave up on it and had a viable option already established. Good luck to you my friend, I really hope this works out for you.
Wife told me a half dozen times to repair the arbor I had made for her. Ours is 4x4 posts with horizontal trellace. It stayed somewhere between 9 and 10 on my list of things to do all summer. Now it is on the verge of collapse. I'm trying to come up with a way to blame it either on the chickens or the dog.
Man that collapse is to bad. But I am sure you will get it all sorted :) Thanks for sharing :)
The grapes are very heavy themselves.When you harvest them it will be easier to push it back up.Trimming now will do damage to next years harvest.The vines need the leaves for the sugars it provides for the plants.
So maybe just support it for now, trim later?
harvest your fruit and enjoy the surplus or share with the animals.
Even fallen down like it is, it is still beautiful. I would use 2 in plastic pipes (or long 2x4) to temporarily; get it back up into place, and then I would use 4x4in posts, with a 4x4 cross member at the top, in the center of the structure for added stability. I would only trim the top by the house.
What about making a horizontal cross brace lengthwise down the cattle panels and then brace that against the house - kind of like upside down roof trusses?
I'm seeing a series of triangles up high going down the length of the cattle panels. One side of the triangles is the outer wall of the house. The horizontal bottom of the triangles is the "beam" from the house to the new lengthwise brace on the cattle panel, and the hypotenuse goes from the new horizontal lengthwise brace on the cattle panel to the top where the panels attach to the house.
I hope that makes sense.
I think I understand!
depending on the length use gray electrical pipe large enough to fit over the T post and put a bolt in the house to secure it on the house side and it will bow the area up you can secure them with cable ties to the trellis
Hit the nail on the head...trimming is key to keeping the grapes doing their thing. Early spring, do your trimming. Grapes love to be kept to a much smaller size, otherwise they do what happened to you.
Stinks that it popped in. It was so nice looking when we were down there. Maybe bending conduit would be easier than rebar? Just thinking in text here... I do think it is going to end up needing some sort of extra support. Maybe even just a couple of verticals to help keep it up there? Either way, sharing both the successes and the struggles is important, thanks for sharing.
Yeah, maybe EMT or something... good idea. Probably cheaper too.
I think you'll need to add at least 2 support beams, one on each end up against the house (if you really want to keep the path clear), to help bear the weight in addition to adding some more rigid structures in the mesh wire.
Personally I'd probably put at least 2 support wooden posts with t-bars about 1/4 the way in from each end if that makes sense...like if the path is 12 feet, I'd walk in 3 feet and put a support then exit and go in from the other end and walk 3 feet and put a support in the middle of the path each time, annoying having to zig zag around them but structurally probably the best placement.
You'll want something like a t-bar shape at the top to distribute the weight load and get more bang for the buck on support. I think you might be able to get away with only 2 additional supports, if you also do some trimming, but agree you want to leave as much of the older vines as possible for good growth next season.
I think you are correct that if I do put in posts that putting a T type structure would be the best approach, but I'd probably go in 1/3 on each side, just so there is less gap in the middle.
You're going to have to build a wooden arch structure. Grape vines are extremely heavy, and the older they get the heavier they get!
could do a jib strut . yes i had to google it too .
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4a/Crane_machine_slewing_platform.svg/497px-Crane_machine_slewing_platform.svg.png
so tie a rope to the top and bottom of your fence with a post or " jib strut" pushing the arch up . Note if the rope has an arc going the opposite way of your fence it will resist side to side motion also the post will try and move up or down your rope so put in a knot above and below the post on the rope so it cant slide out
i would recommend these knots
ruclips.net/video/fUS-z9xdQac/видео.html
and if you had some hands to help steady the posts of struts from moving around you may be able to push the fence frame back with all of this .
good luck and God bless
bend pipe to make supports every 6-10 foot
Like EMT?
yes they even have foot pad that could be used to attached to the house.can be bend to shape of you arch.
Gabled arch aluminum tubing 1 1/2 - 2 inch diameter. Single tubes, bent at angle for continuous pillar and arch. 5-6 (or more) underneath your fence meshing holding it up (and whether you further put in cross beams holding entire structure intact and not wiggling side-to-side. Concrete in arch, and attach to house via joist plates.
www.gothicarchgreenhouses.com/gable-greenhouses.htm
Jared, I can see this quickly becoming your arch nemesis, pardon the pun. I have had issues very similar to this on different projects, where the theory did not result in good practice. You were right in that the arch is too tall and too far away to be structurally sound. The material, cattle panel, will continue to fail, it simply isn't the right product for this. Every grape orchard, vineyard, etc I have seen has always been low lined on very sturdy posts. My grandparents farm had a very substantial framework made out of 4x4 posts and joists that created a space similar to yours, but again, the materials were much more robust. The bottom line is I simply don't think this setup will be successful long term.
If I were in your shoes, I would not want to sit here and listen to some yourtuber poo poo my design and tell me how it was a failure from the start, Jared this is not my point, far from it. Over the next few years, I can see you coming up with multiple ways to fix this, that may eventually fail or that you are not happy with, simply due to he original materials. After several years of this, you may simply decide to start over and "fix it like you should have the first time." I fall into this trap quite often.
If you haven't stopped reading my troll like comment (again not my intent, but I can see how it appears that way) by now, I have a suggestion. I would not want to cut the vines and start over either, but I don't think you really have much choice. As a solution, would you consider building a much more substantial trellace at another spot on the property, start new vines from cutting of this vine, or from new and letting it develop over the next few years. Over those years put whatever bandaids you need to use to keep this one going, and over time when you are ready to give up on it, you will already have another established vine several years old that you are harvesting from. The pain of your ultimate resolution for this vine, will not be as painful when you have an established vine already producing.
In the end, if I am completely wrong about this and you have developed a kick butt solution, well then you now have two very productive awesome grape vines.
Again, I'm not doubting you, or your talents, but I have done things like this on my property several times, creating an alternative and dealt with the other issues until I eventually gave up on it and had a viable option already established.
Good luck to you my friend, I really hope this works out for you.
Short of hiring a pro engr. why not go to local rv repair and buy used awning frame and home engineer a stronger and adjustable top support?
first. weight is heavy man
Looks like you're a victim of your success👏🏾