Manufactured with the support of the Chinese Communist Party......It's designed with the stolen technology of the West. Are you ready to support that? Against the interests of your own country?
SOUO S2000 has more fuel efficiency (despite larger engines), with 10 years or 1 Million kilometers warranty, much more sophisticated Electronics, High Technology, Specs and Features than Honda Gold Wing
I have lived in Iraq for the last 8 years and there are Great Wall trucks everywhere. They are absolute crap. I wouldn't touch that thing with a 100 foot pole.
Chinese are 110% flawless at making products LOOK BETTER than those they imitate, but are totally HORRIBLE at reliability, dependability, integrity AND customer service. Chinese are a global JOKE for standing behind ANYTHING they build because they know better than anyone else what crap they produce!
Yeah they sell them here in NZ, the fleet vehicle rental company i work for even bought some, they lasted about 6 months before they were resold. Absolute garbage, they are very cheaply made with ill fitting super plasticky interiors that started deteriorating after a month of use. Engines are noisy and rough, transmissions are harsh, they are terrible vehicles.
I really make an effort, but we are overwhelmed with China crap. On many things, just no other choice except do without. Our Politicians could have done much better for decades. They made lots of money.
No thanks. I'm not interested in their cars or motorcycles. And if they stole Honda IP to make this bike, then it shouldn't be allowed in any country that obeys intellectual property laws.
As an Australian I’m very used to American corporations stealing our IP. Your entire patent and copyright systems are corrupt and broken. It was American courts who allowed Apple to patent a rectangle with rounded corners, your courts that allowed a photographer to “own” any image photographed against a black background. Used by everyone for decades but your courts recognised his “rights”. Can’t blame the Chinese from giving Western corporations a bit of karma. On a related note GWM cars and trucks are excellent and very popular down under. Chinese companies bother us much less than the decades we spent enduring overpriced under-featured crap from GM and Ford. Great Wall (GWM) may well have reverse engineered this bike. But the next one will be all theirs, just as happened with their cars.
A Gold Wing is more than a collection of parts. Any company can copy the parts and put it together. But that doesn't mean that the parts are functionally identical or made to the same height standards. Nor does it mean that the company will stand behind their product, and fix any issues that may arise. Just because you copy a product and you make improvements on that "copy" doesn't mean that it is superior than the original.
GWM Suo S2000 has no similar or identical parts to Honda Gold Wing, GWM have patented of all their parts, they look identical but there is no copycat parts
copying is much have bigger chances to become much more superior than original and it is proven to BYD YangWang U8 SUV that looks identical to Land Rover Defender but have so much more specs and features
Metallurgy is probably the worst in comparison. However that is cheap China. There is non cheap, on the verge of competing on the higher levels of production vehicles be it cars or bikes. The fact that they do copy worldwide brands flagship models should be addressed legally I'd think?
@@totzinfo 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️ You must work for China, or need glasses. I’ll bet you’d say the same about Chinese Destroyers which incredibly are identical to USN Destroyers..
how come it's a knock off from Honda Goldwing when it is a Flat 8 cylinder while Goldwing is only Flat 6, Dual overhead Camshaft while Goldwing is only Single overhead Camshaft, 2,000 c.c. engine size capacity wile Goldwing is only 1800 c.c. engine size capacity, 12 dual clutch gears transmission while Goldwing is only 8 dual clutch gears and many more features not found in Honda Goldwing
The owner of a Goldwing is not only the owner of a motorcycle, the Goldwing is a legend, it is recognition, it is a personality, it is a career, it is trust, it is 50 years of evolution. All this cannot be supplanted by a nice screen and a bigger engine.
@@Visionery1it instantly revolutionized motorcycling. When the gold wing came out, nobody said it was Chinese crap. Everyone was immediately blown away with the build quality and specs, like with any Japanese motorcycle manufacturer.
@@thagingerninjer5391 - EXACTLY... It wasn't CHINESE crap. The Japanese are known for incredible quality. The Chinese are known for cheap s**t, slave labor, and inferiority across the board.
GWM has already large network of dealership globally, because they are not making only motorcycles but also EV cars, SUVs, and heavy construction and mining equipments
Wrong, I own a 97 1500 SE.. I love in central Missouri and not 1 fucking dealer within 200 mile raidius will even change the fucking oil on it. They only have support for their newer $ 30,000 dollar bikes...
Every dealership I've called looking for service wouldn't work on anything more than 10 years old unless it was just tires. Independent shops that's a different story.
Comparing apples to oranges. Just like old cars, you have to find an independent motorcycle mechanics willing to work on old Goldwings if you cannot address a problem. I have a 1999 Aspencade and I found such a business less than 20 minutes from where I live. Honda has dealerships and service facilities across the US for newer generation motorcycles, which was the point of my comment. Where is one for this bike?
Unfortunately in Australia we have Great wall. I am a mechanic so to say i will NEVER buy a vehicle built by GW .. They are terrible complete with Extremely poor materials used in the manufacture of them. dont get me wrong they come with all the bells and whistles but thats it. the longest we had to wait for an engine mount a consumable part is 3 months. not weeks months. dont do it
That's because Harleys parts are cast form steel melted inside active volcano, and forged with bare hands. Then they place parts on the gravestone of Arthur Davidson and waiting for full moon so Arthur can bless those parts with his spirit. That's takes time
@@chrisvader2630 And don’t forget, it’s all done under the Global Trade Support of Thailand, Brazil, China and Taiwan manufacturing and sealed with nice hefty made in America (but it’s mostly not) price tag. God bless HD.
Thanks for the heads up, I'm sure the will get to the UK at some point but I wouldn't trust something this complex to anyone but Honda! It would be interesting to find out how much though.
No, even if the bike was fantastic. The company making it has no infrastructure (dealerships, repair shops , parts ) here in the USA. Also, you don't know if it's reliable.
as a 2018 dct tour glowing owner I would NOT consider buying this bike.BUT I do think that honda should use an all digital dash and maybe add some safety features such as blind spot monitoring
Well, to be fair, the resale value of modern European cars is not exactly something to celebrate either, you lose thousands as you drive off the showroom floor.
@@Visionery1 Perhaps so, but at least they support their products. And more to the point the people buying them are not exactly worried about the cost. FYI. They buy them for the superior engineering (cough, cough, cough)
I will give it a couple of years to see how it will hold up! But Honda better get its shit together with all the recalls and other little problems they have with there motorcycles. There not what they use to be!!!
@@stevezodiac575thier. As my 2nd grade teacher drilled us tots in '82. I before e except after c or names. Not a fun teacher! YT spell check wrong too.
Heck no! No Chicomm junk for me. I know that we import a ton of Chinese made items. Most out of our individual control. But, just like everything else engineered by others, they just copied Japanese greatness. I will continue to buy Honda quality for my riding needs and desires.
It's cute on the showroom floor, but how does it ride? How is the quality control? Operating costs? Parts availability? Don't get too enthused until we find out if this is just more Chinese "Tofu-dregs" . . .
it's all about Kasin Engineering..my 1976 parts list can still be ordered from Honda Japan. in the year 2102 will you be able to order parts for it? how is the build quality?
Well, I guess if it's cheap enough you could buy two so as to hopefully keep one running. Use the spare to cannibalize parts from. Or maybe put a tow bar on it and take both for a ride. Lots of choices. to me, China means cheap and low quality. You shouldn't even use Gold Wing in the same sentence with China made bike.
Gold Wing has always had one thing going for it that made it the touring bike to have. Reliability. A 30 year old GL1500 will take you across the country with one carb working and everyone knows it because it's been done. Not sure I want to be stuck in a corn field in Iowa waiting for Hong Kong Phooey to come and fix my bike. I'll wait but if it turns out to be a better bike than the Honda, that's on them.
My 30-year-old Aspi took 70-year-old me from Heidelberg, Germany to Kyiv, Ukraine last March. 2000 km, some of the worst roads you will see, many traffic control posts, soldiers, etc. Never faltered, and still drew admiring smiles.
I don’t think Honda has anything to worry about! The Chinese are notorious for building things using substandard materials! Their engineering falls way short of the Japanese! I wouldn’t spend money on something that doesn’t have the reliability that Japanese products do!
Not posting that from an iphone, I presume? There is a lot of very high quality stuff coming out of China over the last 10+ years. But I would not knowingly support any company that steals IP so blatantly. Not for me, even if the quality is fantastic.
@@BarryandKaren It is a difference...An Iphone is a American company that ALREADY have the engineering, design, materials etc. to make the phone and China just mass reproduce it... vs The whole Product engineering, design, concept, quality etc. from start to finish being Chinese... It is a huge difference China simply mass produce products from American companies they not the engineering and development team from Apple and other non-Chinese companies. The issue is with CHINESE COMPANY PRODUCTS
@@truthiscensored Actually, Apple only partially designs the iPhone. They provide their UI requirements, styling designs, key component selections, performance expectations, etc, etc to Foxconn and Foxconn does much of the detailed design and the majority of the iPhone range manufacturing in Zhengzhou, China. Foxconn is, of course, the world's biggest contract electronics manufacturer. But my point is that China can and does build a lot of quality items, in addition to the junk they mass produce. It's no longer as easy as saying, "Well it's from China, so it must be junk!" There is context needed now....
@@BarryandKaren China builds to the level of quality specified by the purchaser. If you specify cheap, that's what you'll get. If you specify top quality that is also available.
How about a 1000cc 650lb bike with all the touring gear that is as comfortable but gets 50MPG two up at 80MPH? 8 speeds? Something new that isn't BIGGER and HEAVIER... {!-{>
“There is hardly anything in the world that someone cannot make a little worse and sell a little cheaper, and the people who consider price alone are that person’s lawful prey. It’s unwise to pay too much, but it’s worse to pay too little. When you pay too much, you lose a little money - that is all. When you pay too little, you sometimes lose everything, because the thing you bought was incapable of doing the thing it was bought to do. The common law of business balance prohibits paying a little and getting a lot - it can’t be done. If you deal with the lowest bidder, it is well to add something for the risk you run, and if you do that you will have enough to pay for something better.” John Ruskin
I'd go way past "probably" and say guaranteed to have problems. Better have some good walking shoes and roadside assistance if a person buys one of these.
I’m retired and enjoy restoring older Honda motorcycles from the 60’s, 70’s, and 80’s. I bought my first Honda in 1968 and have owned 35 Hondas since then. Honda is known for great design and great manufacturing that results in quality products. Although I do see more quality products coming out of China than I saw in the past, in general Chinese companies are still known for copying rather than innovating, and for very shoddy quality in manufacturing. I’m guessing 5 years from now I will still be looking for my first sighting of one of these Chinese “Goldwing” bikes on a US road.
Wow… restoring old gold wings, what an amazing hobby. I would love it if you started a RUclips channel and just told us Goldwing stories. You would make a fortune and never have to leave your coach.
My 2013 GL1800 has never let me down, I have no issue taking my bike anywhere in this country with no limits on mileage, in all sorts of weather (except snow). Would I trust a Chinese copy to live up to this standard? Absolutely not. Let the other guy be the test subject for this copycat bike.
When the new Goldwing went smaller people like me over 6 foot is extremely uncomfortable. The passenger seat comfort has many complaints. I have the 1800 '06. So I'm out buying future Goldwing's. Now I will buy the BMW grand America. This may be a possibility.
I'm sure some people would buy them, but without a good dealer network, technicians to work on them, and parts supply, it wouldn't be worth the purchase price no matter if it is less than a Goldwing.
Same as others, reliability and service will be the big question that only time or an outstanding execution would tell. Wonder if they did when Honda designed the GL1500 subjected to extreme testing for design validation, and still many issues had to be addressed over time. China has come long way, but great companies take years to build respect, trust and reputation on consumers eyes 👍🏼
Do you all remember Hyundai products 20 years ago? I do! Today they make cars and SUV that are as good as any other car company! China is also copying this idea! Copy a product enter the market sale it side by side against the other company and sale yours for 30% less! It works! Just ask Costco! They will over the years improve the quality! All of the buses in South America are from China! All the heavy trucks are from China! All of the rode paving heavy equipment from China! The Italian Motorcycle company Bennelli You guess it is own by a Chinese company!
Terrible video. First, it looks more like the Yamaha Eluder than a goldwing. Second, a V8 2000cc engine is not better...just bigger. Fuel economy matters on a long haul touring machine. Weight is not a plus. In fact, good motorcycle companies are constantly trying to trim weight rather than make it weigh more. And last, Honda reliability is a huge part of owning a goldwing. I know because I bought one instead of a harley mostly for that reason. There's no way you can copy that no matter how BIG a company is. Classic out of touch advertising here, but hey, suckers are born every day so im sure ill see some on the road. I considered getting the real cheap chinese dual sport like the Bross 250, or Hawk 250. When it breaks, and it will, it's not a big deal. A goldwing wannabe, will leave your stranded far from home with little support for this beast. They'd be smarter to compete with harley. But that'll never work either.
I’m excited about it and I think it’s neat! But I’ve never owned (and don’t feel the need to own) a goldwing that’s less than 3 decades old and costs more than a months rent to buy. So maybe if I’m still alive in 30 years and the s2000 makes it that long on the road… THEN I’ll consider one 😂
@@carbonarrow7 Tell me, what is not made in China, these days? Even American flags are made there, PLEASE! LOL. You want me to change the world? I am too tiny for that.
Anyone that would buy one of these monstrosities should see a shrink. How low are people willing to stoop. I'll walk 1st. My 2 Z900's, VStrom , SV650 and HD LRS will have to suffice. Have to watch out for YT gestapo as to what i can say. Yeah!!!! BTW Honda GW's have set the standard for touring excellence. Save up for the real deal.
Well I would have liked to have been surprised at all the racist comments about this machine, but this is America in 2024. Somewhat similar to 1950s/60s America, when no-one would buy any ‘Nip’ or ‘Slant’ or ‘Riceburner’ crap, and none of the big four had pan-American dealer networks; remember? Isn’t free trade competition good for the breed, or did I hear that in some other country?
Chinese companies always copying other brand products, making knock-off imitation versions of well known products. From Chinese scooters, motorcycles, electronics and clothes, they always copying another Company's products Only reason a Chinese company/product sell more is because China has about 2 Billion people, not because the product is actually good. Honda is in the business of making Motors/Engines. That is their specialty. I highly doubt the Chinese imitation Goldwing has the top quality Honda performance. A Honda motor runs forever. Same way their Chinese scooters break down well before Japan and Italian made scooters, Chinese quality isn't good
As is typical, Chinese knock-offs get most things wrong. The GoldWing didn't need to be bigger. In fact between the current generation and the last, it actually got smaller. This thing is so big it really needs four wheels. It isn't a motorcycle. It's a grotesque caricature of one, made by a crappy auto company. Not just no. HAYELL NO.
Just go back in time and see how Soichiro Honda was copying European motorcycles. Similar story with Suzuki. Do you Goldwing riders care you bought from a company grown on a stolen IP? Your children won't care either.
Hopefully this gets HONDA off their butts to give us the upgrades We have been begging them for years now. More horsepower and a faster bike. Touchscreen and better software to go with it. Better, Bluetooth integration and home link. Give us a better stereo system that rocks and a more comfortable adjustable seat where the heat actually works and the heated grips don’t stop working in a couple of years. Last but not least, how about some more color options? Why can’t I get the touring model in the same color as the bagger version? Quit the BS Honda. Give us what we have been asking for! Don’t force us to buy from your competitor.
The weight is a big turn off for me. I love my GW but one of the biggest improvements I would love to see is some reduction of weight so I don’t worry constantly as much about dropping it 😀
Personally, Chinesium Crapolium does not have the Legendary Reliability of their Japanese Counter parts. Matter of fact they have a buy and throw away model of consumer products and the fact they have Zero Support for parts and services this bike is a GIANT Turd in the USA. For the life of me I still wonder daily why Scott has chosen to endorse the copycat kings of the world to discuss a copy cat GW, or any other products made there. OH Right I forgot about the Free Products and MONEY they pay him to do it. I would not sell my site or soul to them bawtawds at all.
@@PaulG.x Indeed but they improved and supported the products. China never does and never will. The have doubled down on the throw away consumer products model. Just visit any Harbor Freight durable product and find they have NO PARTS for repairs.
???'s Quality of all components, for wear, corrosion resistance and electronics ... + all factors such as 'lean-angles', braking, acceleration and stability etc.
I don't understand why anybody would buy anything from China understanding their militarism is being funded by their purchase. I also cannot understand RUclips personalities that insist on putting the stuff in front of us and helping the Chinese military by promoting their products. At some point money becomes unimportant when our freedom and country is at stake. And I'm not just talking about the United States Europe and everywhere else is a danger by the Chinese militarism
I wouldn't trust this bike as far as I could throw it I will stick with my real 2023 gold wing tour DCT I also have a 8 yr extended warranty who in the industry provides that absolutely no one but Honda
Where is its pedigree..?? Exactly, it doesn't have one ..like most of the crap that come from the East there.... and I bet the parts are none extant as well, too... All in all, it's a bit of ahh" so" or is arse hole of a bike there, but of course, some body buy it ...
Well, they have no plans to sell it outside China as far as I know. It would be interesting to see it actually reviewed by some western outlet just to see what level of quality they can reach vs arguably the best motorcycle manufacturer in the world. Honda is so good that people consider them almost boring... because the quality is so high. And this is coming from a Triumph rider.
Maintenance will be an issue. Honda has a great rep and shops EVERYWHERE! This bike…will be slow starting as far as repeatable shops go. Having trouble on a trip with a Honda, no prob! The next town has a shop. Having trouble on a trip with this bike, you’re dead in the water. Maybe in a decade or two it might be different, but now, “dance with the one what brung ya!” HONDA.
They should have called it the Ohn dah Goldring. They might sell a few year to the dummies but without any reputation or dealer network they don't have a chance. I wouldn't buy a Chinese vehicle for lots of reasons.
Not for me, I don’t buy Chinese vehicles. Like someone else said, they won’t be able to match the customer service or dealer network that Honda has. I can’t stand badly Google translated owner’s manuals as it is.
No way. Just the horrid depreciation value alone on these Chinese bikes prevents me from buying one. At least with the Honda you can turn around a sell it for a good price after a few years of owning it. This bike will be 50% or lower the value you paid for it new when the times comes to resell.
I wouldn’t own a dct motorcycle. There is too much lag between throttle and power response to the rear wheel which will result in you dumping your bike in low speed turning maneuvers.
Here in Australia GWM has firmly established itself as a serious vehicle maker. We own a top of the line Cannon twin cab 4x4 ute (one of the most popular style of vehicle here Down Under) and to spec up any similar style vehicle from competitors like Ford, Mazda, Nissan, etc, you’ll be looking at paying twice as much. They’re not “cheap Chinese crap” either. The electronics are Bosch, the gearboxes are German ZF 8 speed autos used worldwide in many vehicles, the diffs and transfer cases are Borg Warner, the standard 4x4 tyres it comes fitted with are Coopers, and the list of internationally derived parts goes on. This bike has Brembo brakes and no doubt many other “brand name” parts in it. Remember when people laughed at Japanese bikes and cars and said they’d never amount to anything…?
The vehicle rental company i work for here in NZ, bought some GW utes last year, and they lasted 6 months, they were the epitome of “cheap Chinese crap”.
Same. The Goldwing has slowly lost its touring focus. A 30 year old GL has more luggage capacity than my 20 year old wing. The new ones have even less! And a new one has less fuel capacity than mine. Old ones also have a softer ride than mine. I feel like they peaked 30 years ago. Competition would be good.
my humble thoughts: Honda could be more than capable to make a 8 cylinder engine, if they didn't made it there are good technical reasons probably. On the other side, i love the concept of a huge 2000cc 8 cylinder, that would be my dream new Gw in place of that shrinked up 2018 model. Said that, my only concern about hyper touring bikes is reliability, if the bike will be up to my expectations i'll be happy to buy one.
Disagree on your more cylinders is better viewpoint. Case in point is Kawasaki's history with the Luxo-tourer segment whereas brand-K started out with the 6-cylinder Voyager 13. Then downsize & lighten with the 4-cylinder Voyager 12 model. And finally settling into Kawasaki's longest iteration of the Voyager with a 1700cc V-twin.
@nelsonphilip4520 . And NONE of the Kawasakis you listed were ever real competition for the Goldwing, so your point is invalid. This Chinese tourer is marketed for the "bigger is better" American buyer. Aimed right at the Goldwing at a time when it has lost its touring roots, with tiny luggage and fuel capacity compared to older Goldwings of the past.
@@nunya9555Agree! Although I feel it's better said that in spite of Kawasaki's best efforts to compete with the Honda Gold Wing, they failed first with their fuel injected 6 cylinder and then with their simpler, lighter, and more affordable 4 cylinder Voyager 12. So Kawasaki switch targets focusing in on H-D by developing a V-Twin Voyager to compete against the the Steet Glide & Road Glide where they continue to languish.
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Hope it’s half the price with a 10 year unlimited warranty.
Manufactured with the support of the Chinese Communist Party......It's designed with the stolen technology of the West.
Are you ready to support that? Against the interests of your own country?
I'll stick with a Goldwing.
Definitely
That is what people said about Indian in 1952.
Known quantity compared to china
Just another POS rip-off...
I wish I to not buy anything from China, we are feeding the beast that will eat us later.
SOUO S2000 has more fuel efficiency (despite larger engines), with 10 years or 1 Million kilometers warranty, much more sophisticated Electronics, High Technology, Specs and Features than Honda Gold Wing
I have lived in Iraq for the last 8 years and there are Great Wall trucks everywhere. They are absolute crap. I wouldn't touch that thing with a 100 foot pole.
I can't wait to see these Chi-Coms broke down on the side of the road. Where would you take it for parts/repair?
There's a reason it's called "Cheap Chinese junk". All glitz and sparkle, but cheap engineering where they can hide it.
NO! I would not consider.
Chinese are 110% flawless at making products LOOK BETTER than those they imitate, but are totally HORRIBLE at reliability, dependability, integrity AND customer service. Chinese are a global JOKE for standing behind ANYTHING they build because they know better than anyone else what crap they produce!
Yeah they sell them here in NZ, the fleet vehicle rental company i work for even bought some, they lasted about 6 months before they were resold. Absolute garbage, they are very cheaply made with ill fitting super plasticky interiors that started deteriorating after a month of use. Engines are noisy and rough, transmissions are harsh, they are terrible vehicles.
What could go wrong with a Chinese 8 cylinder quad cam?
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EVERYTHING
Let me count the ways LOL!
We’d all be better off buying less chicom stuff.
I agree. Why support a regime that wants the Death of our Civilization?
This. Hyping up chicom garbage is not a good look either.
I really make an effort, but we are overwhelmed with China crap. On many things, just no other choice except do without. Our Politicians could have done much better for decades. They made lots of money.
Absolutely essential.
That leaves Harley out
So don’t call it a goldwing that’s false advertisement
They don't!
@@bob521i but they did listen to the beginning of the video
No thanks. I'm not interested in their cars or motorcycles. And if they stole Honda IP to make this bike, then it shouldn't be allowed in any country that obeys intellectual property laws.
I want that engine for go Kart project
I’ve been a Golding rider for many many yrs. There is no way I would buy this new replica of one of the nice motorcycles ever to be put on the street
@@disconductorder Why? You can get better numbers with less mass & weight.
@@NVArt001 the sound makes it worth it, flat V8's have that old school f1 sound
As an Australian I’m very used to American corporations stealing our IP. Your entire patent and copyright systems are corrupt and broken. It was American courts who allowed Apple to patent a rectangle with rounded corners, your courts that allowed a photographer to “own” any image photographed against a black background. Used by everyone for decades but your courts recognised his “rights”. Can’t blame the Chinese from giving Western corporations a bit of karma.
On a related note GWM cars and trucks are excellent and very popular down under. Chinese companies bother us much less than the decades we spent enduring overpriced under-featured crap from GM and Ford. Great Wall (GWM) may well have reverse engineered this bike. But the next one will be all theirs, just as happened with their cars.
A Gold Wing is more than a collection of parts. Any company can copy the parts and put it together. But that doesn't mean that the parts are functionally identical or made to the same height standards. Nor does it mean that the company will stand behind their product, and fix any issues that may arise.
Just because you copy a product and you make improvements on that "copy" doesn't mean that it is superior than the original.
Exactly. 👍👍
GWM Suo S2000 has no similar or identical parts to Honda Gold Wing, GWM have patented of all their parts, they look identical but there is no copycat parts
copying is much have bigger chances to become much more superior than original and it is proven to BYD YangWang U8 SUV that looks identical to Land Rover Defender but have so much more specs and features
@@totzinfo nah, there still junk.
Metallurgy is probably the worst in comparison. However that is cheap China. There is non cheap, on the verge of competing on the higher levels of production vehicles be it cars or bikes. The fact that they do copy worldwide brands flagship models should be addressed legally I'd think?
There is no way I’d ever purchase, ride a Chinese Motorcycle.. in typical Chinese Fashion, it’s a knock off of the Goldwing.
A thinking man for sure. CCP junk as usual. Took 'em 1500 years to build the wall. yeah.....
there is no single components of GWM S2000 identical to Honda Goldwing
@@totzinfo 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️ You must work for China, or need glasses. I’ll bet you’d say the same about Chinese Destroyers which incredibly are identical to USN Destroyers..
@@totzinfo Hence the exact reason it's CRAP.
how come it's a knock off from Honda Goldwing when it is a Flat 8 cylinder while Goldwing is only Flat 6, Dual overhead Camshaft while Goldwing is only Single overhead Camshaft, 2,000 c.c. engine size capacity wile Goldwing is only 1800 c.c. engine size capacity, 12 dual clutch gears transmission while Goldwing is only 8 dual clutch gears and many more features not found in Honda Goldwing
The owner of a Goldwing is not only the owner of a motorcycle, the Goldwing is a legend, it is recognition, it is a personality, it is a career, it is trust, it is 50 years of evolution. All this cannot be supplanted by a nice screen and a bigger engine.
LOL!
And have a look at it I know a Goldwing is not a sport bike but this thing looks like it will lean about 2° in either direction before scraping out😂
I wonder what was said 50 years ago when the GW arrived on the scene. ;)
@@Visionery1it instantly revolutionized motorcycling. When the gold wing came out, nobody said it was Chinese crap. Everyone was immediately blown away with the build quality and specs, like with any Japanese motorcycle manufacturer.
@@thagingerninjer5391 - EXACTLY... It wasn't CHINESE crap. The Japanese are known for incredible quality. The Chinese are known for cheap s**t, slave labor, and inferiority across the board.
I still own a GL1500. I would be reluctant to buy an unproven Chinese product that is also lacking the dealer support network of Honda.
Same with any repair parts! I guess Temu can will be your go to place😅
No, no, no, no, nyet, nay, mais non, and hell no.
I try to avoid Chinese manufacturing and products so this is a non-starter.
Remember the old bumper sticker, "Buy American, the Job You Save May Be Your Own"
That doesn't help sell Goldwings either.
They stopped making goldwings in Ohio in 2009 I believe.
Right. Buy American. Harley or Indian.
@@fredmoss-yf2jc LOL! u think those are American? the parts are sourced from all over the world. Yes, even China.
@@fredmoss-yf2jc Not f'kn Harley, their QA has been shipped off to never never land. Indian is a totally different story.
I go out of my way to avoid crappy Chinese tools and appliances. There is no way on earth i would buy a Chinese bike. Not ever!
They have a long way to go to match service facilities offered by Honda and by independent motorcycle mechanics. No thank you.
GWM has already large network of dealership globally, because they are not making only motorcycles but also EV cars, SUVs, and heavy construction and mining equipments
Wrong, I own a 97 1500 SE.. I love in central Missouri and not 1 fucking dealer within 200 mile raidius will even change the fucking oil on it. They only have support for their newer $ 30,000 dollar bikes...
@totzinfo and no I would never own any golding newer than a 2000.. newer Goldwing bikes are fucking junk
Every dealership I've called looking for service wouldn't work on anything more than 10 years old unless it was just tires. Independent shops that's a different story.
Comparing apples to oranges. Just like old cars, you have to find an independent motorcycle mechanics willing to work on old Goldwings if you cannot address a problem. I have a 1999 Aspencade and I found such a business less than 20 minutes from where I live. Honda has dealerships and service facilities across the US for newer generation motorcycles, which was the point of my comment. Where is one for this bike?
Unfortunately in Australia we have Great wall. I am a mechanic so to say i will NEVER buy a vehicle built by GW .. They are terrible complete with Extremely poor materials used in the manufacture of them. dont get me wrong they come with all the bells and whistles but thats it. the longest we had to wait for an engine mount a consumable part is 3 months. not weeks months. dont do it
Still waiting for Harley parts I ordered 4months ago. Seems to be the norm these days
@@esesrides1255 They’re probably coming from Asia as well
That's because Harleys parts are cast form steel melted inside active volcano, and forged with bare hands. Then they place parts on the gravestone of Arthur Davidson and waiting for full moon so Arthur can bless those parts with his spirit.
That's takes time
@@chrisvader2630 And don’t forget, it’s all done under the Global Trade Support of Thailand, Brazil, China and Taiwan manufacturing and sealed with nice hefty made in America (but it’s mostly not) price tag. God bless HD.
Thanks for the heads up, I'm sure the will get to the UK at some point but I wouldn't trust something this complex to anyone but Honda! It would be interesting to find out how much though.
A China Goldwing, oh
Hell No.
My Goldwing was made in the USA.
😉👍
Very simple, no way, no how!
no,no,no,china built,NO. beyond that,there are bound to be issues and what about updates or recalls? dealer network? NO!
No, even if the bike was fantastic. The company making it has no infrastructure (dealerships, repair shops , parts ) here in the USA. Also, you don't know if it's reliable.
as a 2018 dct tour glowing owner I would NOT consider buying this bike.BUT I do think that honda should use an all digital dash and maybe add some safety features such as blind spot monitoring
@@gilsoutherland3562 If you need-blind spot monitoring you shouldn't be on a bike
Look at the resale values of Great Wall products. They plummet, and there is a reason for that.
Well, to be fair, the resale value of modern European cars is not exactly something to celebrate either, you lose thousands as you drive off the showroom floor.
@@Visionery1 Perhaps so, but at least they support their products. And more to the point the people buying them are not exactly worried about the cost. FYI. They buy them for the superior engineering (cough, cough, cough)
I bought a Chinese TV.........once
what were you once able to watch on that Chinese TV?LoL
@nelsonphilip4520 not a lot
Returned for store credit. Samsung still running 15 yrs later.
@@killer1963daddy Where were you on Nov. 22nd 1963?
The bike looks like they fused a Honda Goldwing with a Yamaha Venture. it's nice looking but I'd never buy a bike from China.
I will give it a couple of years to see how it will hold up! But Honda better get its shit together with all the recalls and other little problems they have with there motorcycles. There not what they use to be!!!
💯💯💯💯 %%%%
there?? where?
Mate, please check for typos before posting - it's 'their' and 'they're'.
You don’t think the chi com will have any recalls ?
@@stevezodiac575thier. As my 2nd grade teacher drilled us tots in '82. I before e except after c or names. Not a fun teacher! YT spell check wrong too.
Heck no! No Chicomm junk for me. I know that we import a ton of Chinese made items. Most out of our individual control. But, just like everything else engineered by others, they just copied Japanese greatness. I will continue to buy Honda quality for my riding needs and desires.
Exactly! No Chinese copied junk. Boeing airplanes are in trouble because of Chinese junk titanium.
It's cute on the showroom floor, but how does it ride? How is the quality control? Operating costs? Parts availability?
Don't get too enthused until we find out if this is just more Chinese "Tofu-dregs" . . .
it's all about Kasin Engineering..my 1976 parts list can still be ordered from Honda Japan. in the year 2102 will you be able to order parts for it? how is the build quality?
Well, I guess if it's cheap enough you could buy two so as to hopefully keep one running. Use the spare to cannibalize parts from. Or maybe put a tow bar on it and take both for a ride. Lots of choices. to me, China means cheap and low quality. You shouldn't even use Gold Wing in the same sentence with China made bike.
Gold Wing has always had one thing going for it that made it the touring bike to have. Reliability. A 30 year old GL1500 will take you across the country with one carb working and everyone knows it because it's been done. Not sure I want to be stuck in a corn field in Iowa waiting for Hong Kong Phooey to come and fix my bike. I'll wait but if it turns out to be a better bike than the Honda, that's on them.
My 30-year-old Aspi took 70-year-old me from Heidelberg, Germany to Kyiv, Ukraine last March. 2000 km, some of the worst roads you will see, many traffic control posts, soldiers, etc. Never faltered, and still drew admiring smiles.
I don’t think Honda has anything to worry about! The Chinese are notorious for building things using substandard materials! Their engineering falls way short of the Japanese! I wouldn’t spend money on something that doesn’t have the reliability that Japanese products do!
I don't blame you and them calling it an S2000 is even another level of dumb.
Not posting that from an iphone, I presume? There is a lot of very high quality stuff coming out of China over the last 10+ years.
But I would not knowingly support any company that steals IP so blatantly. Not for me, even if the quality is fantastic.
@@BarryandKaren It is a difference...An Iphone is a American company that ALREADY have the engineering, design, materials etc. to make the phone and China just mass reproduce it...
vs The whole Product engineering, design, concept, quality etc. from start to finish being Chinese...
It is a huge difference
China simply mass produce products from American companies they not the engineering and development team from Apple and other non-Chinese companies. The issue is with CHINESE COMPANY PRODUCTS
@@truthiscensored Actually, Apple only partially designs the iPhone. They provide their UI requirements, styling designs, key component selections, performance expectations, etc, etc to Foxconn and Foxconn does much of the detailed design and the majority of the iPhone range manufacturing in Zhengzhou, China. Foxconn is, of course, the world's biggest contract electronics manufacturer.
But my point is that China can and does build a lot of quality items, in addition to the junk they mass produce. It's no longer as easy as saying, "Well it's from China, so it must be junk!" There is context needed now....
@@BarryandKaren China builds to the level of quality specified by the purchaser. If you specify cheap, that's what you'll get. If you specify top quality that is also available.
How about a 1000cc 650lb bike with all the touring gear that is as comfortable but gets 50MPG two up at 80MPH? 8 speeds? Something new that isn't BIGGER and HEAVIER... {!-{>
Parts, servicing, customer support? Nope, nope and nope…
And how is this better than a GW? Lol
Since Every goldwing from 2018 up is self destructing,Honda better watch it's ass from competitors
“There is hardly anything in the world that someone cannot make a little worse and sell a little cheaper, and the people who consider price alone are that person’s lawful prey. It’s unwise to pay too much, but it’s worse to pay too little. When you pay too much, you lose a little money - that is all. When you pay too little, you sometimes lose everything, because the thing you bought was incapable of doing the thing it was bought to do. The common law of business balance prohibits paying a little and getting a lot - it can’t be done. If you deal with the lowest bidder, it is well to add something for the risk you run, and if you do that you will have enough to pay for something better.”
John Ruskin
I wouldn't buy it if they were sold for $20,000. We have enough Chinese junk.
No one needs a motorcycle that big, a big bike like that takes away from the feel of a motorcycle.
I like my Goldwing. Satisfied. Not for me.
Unfortunately it's from Red China.
I would never buy that Chinese bike it's probably going to have problems no thanks
I'd go way past "probably" and say guaranteed to have problems. Better have some good walking shoes and roadside assistance if a person buys one of these.
I’m retired and enjoy restoring older Honda motorcycles from the 60’s, 70’s, and 80’s. I bought my first Honda in 1968 and have owned 35 Hondas since then. Honda is known for great design and great manufacturing that results in quality products. Although I do see more quality products coming out of China than I saw in the past, in general Chinese companies are still known for copying rather than innovating, and for very shoddy quality in manufacturing. I’m guessing 5 years from now I will still be looking for my first sighting of one of these Chinese “Goldwing” bikes on a US road.
Wow… restoring old gold wings, what an amazing hobby. I would love it if you started a RUclips channel and just told us Goldwing stories. You would make a fortune and never have to leave your coach.
My 2013 GL1800 has never let me down, I have no issue taking my bike anywhere in this country with no limits on mileage, in all sorts of weather (except snow). Would I trust a Chinese copy to live up to this standard? Absolutely not. Let the other guy be the test subject for this copycat bike.
How can it be called a Goldwing if its not from Honda ?
When the new Goldwing went smaller people like me over 6 foot is extremely uncomfortable. The passenger seat comfort has many complaints. I have the 1800 '06. So I'm out buying future Goldwing's. Now I will buy the BMW grand America. This may be a possibility.
I'm sure some people would buy them, but without a good dealer network, technicians to work on them, and parts supply, it wouldn't be worth the purchase price no matter if it is less than a Goldwing.
Yea, that ride back to China for the first oil change is a doozy ;-)
Same as others, reliability and service will be the big question that only time or an outstanding execution would tell. Wonder if they did when Honda designed the GL1500 subjected to extreme testing for design validation, and still many issues had to be addressed over time. China has come long way, but great companies take years to build respect, trust and reputation on consumers eyes 👍🏼
Do you all remember Hyundai products 20 years ago? I do! Today they make cars and SUV that are as good as any other car company! China is also copying this idea! Copy a product enter the market sale it side by side against the other company and sale yours for 30% less! It works! Just ask Costco! They will over the years improve the quality! All of the buses in South America are from China! All the heavy trucks are from China! All of the rode paving heavy equipment from China! The Italian Motorcycle company Bennelli You guess it is own by a Chinese company!
Terrible video. First, it looks more like the Yamaha Eluder than a goldwing. Second, a V8 2000cc engine is not better...just bigger. Fuel economy matters on a long haul touring machine. Weight is not a plus. In fact, good motorcycle companies are constantly trying to trim weight rather than make it weigh more. And last, Honda reliability is a huge part of owning a goldwing. I know because I bought one instead of a harley mostly for that reason. There's no way you can copy that no matter how BIG a company is. Classic out of touch advertising here, but hey, suckers are born every day so im sure ill see some on the road. I considered getting the real cheap chinese dual sport like the Bross 250, or Hawk 250. When it breaks, and it will, it's not a big deal. A goldwing wannabe, will leave your stranded far from home with little support for this beast. They'd be smarter to compete with harley. But that'll never work either.
I’m excited about it and I think it’s neat! But I’ve never owned (and don’t feel the need to own) a goldwing that’s less than 3 decades old and costs more than a months rent to buy.
So maybe if I’m still alive in 30 years and the s2000 makes it that long on the road… THEN I’ll consider one 😂
It is always good to have a little competition in the market. Brings down pricing.
100%
just give your job to another china company.
@@carbonarrow7 Tell me, what is not made in China, these days? Even American flags are made there, PLEASE! LOL. You want me to change the world? I am too tiny for that.
Anyone that would buy one of these monstrosities should see a shrink. How low are people willing to stoop. I'll walk 1st. My 2 Z900's, VStrom , SV650 and HD LRS will have to suffice. Have to watch out for YT gestapo as to what i can say. Yeah!!!! BTW Honda GW's have set the standard for touring excellence. Save up for the real deal.
Well I would have liked to have been surprised at all the racist comments about this machine, but this is America in 2024. Somewhat similar to 1950s/60s America, when no-one would buy any ‘Nip’ or ‘Slant’ or ‘Riceburner’ crap, and none of the big four had pan-American dealer networks; remember? Isn’t free trade competition good for the breed, or did I hear that in some other country?
Chinese companies always copying other brand products, making knock-off imitation versions of well known products.
From Chinese scooters, motorcycles, electronics and clothes, they always copying another Company's products
Only reason a Chinese company/product sell more is because China has about 2 Billion people, not because the product is actually good.
Honda is in the business of making Motors/Engines. That is their specialty. I highly doubt the Chinese imitation Goldwing has the top quality Honda performance. A Honda motor runs forever. Same way their Chinese scooters break down well before Japan and Italian made scooters, Chinese quality isn't good
As is typical, Chinese knock-offs get most things wrong. The GoldWing didn't need to be bigger. In fact between the current generation and the last, it actually got smaller. This thing is so big it really needs four wheels. It isn't a motorcycle. It's a grotesque caricature of one, made by a crappy auto company. Not just no. HAYELL NO.
Just go back in time and see how Soichiro Honda was copying European motorcycles. Similar story with Suzuki. Do you Goldwing riders care you bought from a company grown on a stolen IP? Your children won't care either.
Hopefully this gets HONDA off their butts to give us the upgrades We have been begging them for years now.
More horsepower and a faster bike. Touchscreen and better software to go with it. Better, Bluetooth integration and home link. Give us a better stereo system that rocks and a more comfortable adjustable seat where the heat actually works and the heated grips don’t stop working in a couple of years.
Last but not least, how about some more color options? Why can’t I get the touring model in the same color as the bagger version? Quit the BS Honda. Give us what we have been asking for! Don’t force us to buy from your competitor.
The weight is a big turn off for me. I love my GW but one of the biggest improvements I would love to see is some reduction of weight so I don’t worry constantly as much about dropping it 😀
Didnt the early 2000s goldwings have frame breaking problems. And honda wouldnt back em up?
Personally, Chinesium Crapolium does not have the Legendary Reliability of their Japanese Counter parts. Matter of fact they have a buy and throw away model of consumer products and the fact they have Zero Support for parts and services this bike is a GIANT Turd in the USA. For the life of me I still wonder daily why Scott has chosen to endorse the copycat kings of the world to discuss a copy cat GW, or any other products made there. OH Right I forgot about the Free Products and MONEY they pay him to do it. I would not sell my site or soul to them bawtawds at all.
Everything in your post was what Japanese companies were accused of in the 1960s
@@PaulG.x Indeed but they improved and supported the products. China never does and never will. The have doubled down on the throw away consumer products model. Just visit any Harbor Freight durable product and find they have NO PARTS for repairs.
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Quality of all components, for wear, corrosion resistance and electronics ... + all factors such as 'lean-angles', braking, acceleration and stability etc.
I don't understand why anybody would buy anything from China understanding their militarism is being funded by their purchase. I also cannot understand RUclips personalities that insist on putting the stuff in front of us and helping the Chinese military by promoting their products. At some point money becomes unimportant when our freedom and country is at stake. And I'm not just talking about the United States Europe and everywhere else is a danger by the Chinese militarism
GWM a garbage brand making garbage vehicles.
Remember this is their first effort in making a motorcycle.
I wouldn't trust this bike as far as I could throw it I will stick with my real 2023 gold wing tour DCT I also have a 8 yr extended warranty who in the industry provides that absolutely no one but Honda
Where is its pedigree..?? Exactly, it doesn't have one ..like most of the crap that come from the East there.... and I bet the parts are none extant as well, too...
All in all, it's a bit of ahh" so" or is arse hole of a bike there, but of course, some body buy it ...
Well, they have no plans to sell it outside China as far as I know. It would be interesting to see it actually reviewed by some western outlet just to see what level of quality they can reach vs arguably the best motorcycle manufacturer in the world. Honda is so good that people consider them almost boring... because the quality is so high. And this is coming from a Triumph rider.
Maintenance will be an issue. Honda has a great rep and shops EVERYWHERE! This bike…will be slow starting as far as repeatable shops go. Having trouble on a trip with a Honda, no prob! The next town has a shop. Having trouble on a trip with this bike, you’re dead in the water. Maybe in a decade or two it might be different, but now, “dance with the one what brung ya!” HONDA.
They should have called it the Ohn dah Goldring. They might sell a few year to the dummies but without any reputation or dealer network they don't have a chance. I wouldn't buy a Chinese vehicle for lots of reasons.
Not for me, I don’t buy Chinese vehicles. Like someone else said, they won’t be able to match the customer service or dealer network that Honda has. I can’t stand badly Google translated owner’s manuals as it is.
No way. Just the horrid depreciation value alone on these Chinese bikes prevents me from buying one. At least with the Honda you can turn around a sell it for a good price after a few years of owning it. This bike will be 50% or lower the value you paid for it new when the times comes to resell.
-- Will it be available on Temu or Shein? 😂
Will free shipping also apply? :)
I'm sure shipping would be free. Just up the price by $3995.
Another Chinese ripoff,like the charley(sportster).nope you couldn't give me one for free..👽
Stop saying it's a goldwing or a goldwing killer a big hunk of Chinese plastic unproven crap
Will most likely be cheap disposable junk after it breaks down as parts will be impossible to source. If i buy a wing it will be a Honda.
I wouldn’t own a dct motorcycle. There is too much lag between throttle and power response to the rear wheel which will result in you dumping your bike in low speed turning maneuvers.
One big problem !
Honda has established a dealer network and parts ! No matter how good it is they will fail in the American market !
Love the shirt ! Cheers from Texas.
Ditto on the shirt!
I was asked to fix a Taiwanese Scooter.........no parts/dealers in NA.....unsupported junk.
Hard pass on this one. Perfect example a copycat that does understand innovation and first principles engineering and design.
I’m ready for a bigger better bike 🏍️ ! If this comes close to a Goldie in price ? Goodbye Honda
Here in Australia GWM has firmly established itself as a serious vehicle maker. We own a top of the line Cannon twin cab 4x4 ute (one of the most popular style of vehicle here Down Under) and to spec up any similar style vehicle from competitors like Ford, Mazda, Nissan, etc, you’ll be looking at paying twice as much. They’re not “cheap Chinese crap” either. The electronics are Bosch, the gearboxes are German ZF 8 speed autos used worldwide in many vehicles, the diffs and transfer cases are Borg Warner, the standard 4x4 tyres it comes fitted with are Coopers, and the list of internationally derived parts goes on. This bike has Brembo brakes and no doubt many other “brand name” parts in it.
Remember when people laughed at Japanese bikes and cars and said they’d never amount to anything…?
The vehicle rental company i work for here in NZ, bought some GW utes last year, and they lasted 6 months, they were the epitome of “cheap Chinese crap”.
What this guy is saying about the Chinese is what my Dad said about Japanese products.
Reminds me of the Yamaha star venture also
Only dealings I have had with great wall motors in Australia is on the back of my tow truck
Too big. Too heavy. Too unproven. No dealer network.
Too bad.
Maybe Im old fashion but I like my wing. i don't need another Chinese thing
Zero dealer or parts support for a first generation cut rate Chinese bike... nah.
No thanks. Isn’t that where the COVID-19 came from?
Perhaps the competition will force a goldwing price reduction. Hope so.
Long time Goldwing owner here. I’d throw a leg over it.
Same. The Goldwing has slowly lost its touring focus. A 30 year old GL has more luggage capacity than my 20 year old wing. The new ones have even less! And a new one has less fuel capacity than mine. Old ones also have a softer ride than mine. I feel like they peaked 30 years ago. Competition would be good.
Wouldn't support the enemy. No on the purchase.
A major thing to consider is parts and service. It would be wise to wait and see how successful that this bike will be.
1800 CC's is not enough? My 1500 is plenty of bike for me. And who's going to fix it if there is a problem? Are parts available in the US?
No it doesn’t look exactly like a wing. I have one. Do you?
Zero quality, its the Chinese way. CF moto is the same way
Would never buy this for the case it was built in China .
Hungry? Out of work? Eat your import.
Check the brakes again. Maybe says Bembro.
my humble thoughts: Honda could be more than capable to make a 8 cylinder engine, if they didn't made it there are good technical reasons probably. On the other side, i love the concept of a huge 2000cc 8 cylinder, that would be my dream new Gw in place of that shrinked up 2018 model. Said that, my only concern about hyper touring bikes is reliability, if the bike will be up to my expectations i'll be happy to buy one.
Disagree on your more cylinders is better viewpoint. Case in point is Kawasaki's history with the Luxo-tourer segment whereas brand-K started out with the 6-cylinder Voyager 13. Then downsize & lighten with the 4-cylinder Voyager 12 model. And finally settling into Kawasaki's longest iteration of the Voyager with a 1700cc V-twin.
@nelsonphilip4520 . And NONE of the Kawasakis you listed were ever real competition for the Goldwing, so your point is invalid. This Chinese tourer is marketed for the "bigger is better" American buyer. Aimed right at the Goldwing at a time when it has lost its touring roots, with tiny luggage and fuel capacity compared to older Goldwings of the past.
@@nunya9555Agree! Although I feel it's better said that in spite of Kawasaki's best efforts to compete with the Honda Gold Wing, they failed first with their fuel injected 6 cylinder and then with their simpler, lighter, and more affordable 4 cylinder Voyager 12. So Kawasaki switch targets focusing in on H-D by developing a V-Twin Voyager to compete against the the Steet Glide & Road Glide where they continue to languish.
@@nunya9555 well said my friend