Hi Filis! Great question. We can’t speak for Fireball Tools on their pricing, but we’re happy to share ours. You can find detailed pricing for our System 28 tables and tooling packages here: weldingtablesandfixtures.com/collections/system-28-imperial-series-inch-welding-tables-and-fixturing-accessories If you have any specific questions, feel free to reach out-we’d be happy to help!
Everyone uses cast iron for their fixturing. Steel warps too easily and these are precision. I have a Sigmund table and fixtures. They’re very flat, that’s both the table and the fixtures. If they used tool steel for the fixtures, they will be much more expensive than they already are and they’re not cheap now. My fixtures cost almost as much as the table. I’d hate to have them cost even more.
Great point, and we appreciate the suggestion! This video was primarily focused on a general quality comparison, but for reference, the flatness of a Siegmund Welding Table is an impressive ±0.019" from corner to corner. That level of precision is why Siegmund welding tables are the flattest in the entire world-perfect for ensuring accuracy in every project!
Good question, Charlie! We’re not running a scratch-and-dent sale, but if you’re interested in a top-quality Siegmund table, feel free to reach out-we’d love to help you explore your options. Thanks for watching!
That one’s not up for grabs, we're holding on to it for... research purposes. But if you’re ever considering a Siegmund table, we’d be happy to help you find the perfect fit for your needs!
It’s a bit sad that Siegmund is not that “good” at social media marketing. We had a few of these tables in my previous job. They were fantastic with great tolerances, but I must admit I see a lot of Fireball content but not that much, if even anything from Siegmund if I do not search for it. So this content is very welcomed.👍
Thanks for your honest feedback, Marius! We’re thrilled to hear you’ve had such a great experience with Siegmund tables. You’re absolutely right about the need for more visibility, and that’s all going to change. We’re revamping our approach for the new year with a focus on more engaging and consistent content. Stay tuned-you’ll be seeing a lot more from Quantum Machinery Group / Siegmund USA soon! 👍
@@QuantumMachineryon your social revamp, keep in mind that a lot of us want to support people, not companies. So your videos and content should feel like a real person.
Thank you for the feedback-it’s incredibly valuable! We completely understand the importance of creating content that feels genuine and personal. As we work on our social revamp, we’ll definitely keep this in mind to ensure our videos and content reflect the real people behind Siegmund USA and Quantum Machinery. Your support means a lot!
Astonishing that those tables arrived with such severe rust. I’d be over the moon pissed if I had spent that amount of money and received that. Huge fan of Siegmund tables and tools. If my needs change, they will be the only brand I choose.
Thank you for the kind words and support, CJ! We’re proud to deliver tables and tools that meet the highest standards of quality and durability. Hearing that Siegmund is your go-to means the world to us. If your needs ever change, we’ll be ready to help you find the perfect solution!
I have worked with siegmund system 22 table for 6 years now. I've been huge fireball tool videos fan from the beginning. The way he covers siegmund table and their accesories shows that he haven't made some real work with these tables. I make a lot of custom designed furnitures wich means a lot of fixturing of medium quantity projects. Looking for fireball videos and his accesories, I would go insane. Siegmund really have tought of the productivity factor. Fastest way to build and remove fixturing. I also work in metric and the fact you can easily use the grid for 100mm increments, also the siegmund stoppers fill fix in 25-50-75mm increments, makes everything so fast. The shim system he promotes looks so unergonomic and slow way to add stoppers. Siegmund has measures on the side of the stops and you can use grids on the table. Also I mentioned that everything locks in the 25-50-75-100mm, 45-and 90 degree angles is super great. I've been abusing my table for 6 years and the coating still don't take spatters and theres no dents.
Great review. Fireball tools proudly promotes quality Made in USA products on their web site and in their videos. Country of origin for their welding tables is mysteriously absent. Because of that, people assume Fireball tables are Made in USA. Proudly "Made in China" is not listed anywhere. Wonder why? Thanks for confirming country of origin and Stronghand as a third party. I've been waiting for the bar impact test on a Fireball table. We've seen Jason at Fireball do lots of tests. For some reason he never performed an impact test. Table hardness is a great measure for long term durability. Resisting dings and dents will ensure precision of working surfaces for many many years. I been using a Siegmund 36" x 48" system 16 table for a few years now. A real joy to use and still looks like new. Fireball should be embarrassed to ship out new tables with so much rust on them. The boat ride from China didn't treat them well.
Luckily, Anthony, you’ve got a source for tables that are not cast-Siegmund welding tables! Engineered from a proprietary blend of tool steel, they deliver unmatched precision and durability. Thanks for keeping quality at the forefront!
We appreciate that feedback Gus! At Quantum Machinery Group / Siegmund USA, we’re all about fostering open conversations and valuing feedback from our community. It’s a key part of helping us grow and ensuring we deliver the highest-quality welding tables and accessories. Thanks for being part of the conversation!
Thank you! We felt it was important to provide a fresh perspective so customers can make informed decisions. If there’s anything else you’d like to see compared, let us know!
We’re glad you enjoyed the video. Let us know if you have any questions about Siegmund welding tables or if there’s anything specific you’d like to see in future videos!
For those asking about how the Fireball Tool™ welding tables were stored before unboxing, we received them and kept them inside our warehouse for two weeks. They were never left outside or exposed to the elements during that time. What you see in the video reflects their condition as received and stored indoors. They also were purchased as brand new tables, not their B-Stock that they offer.
Thank you, TrueThinker! We believe side-by-side comparisons like this help highlight the key differences, especially when it comes to quality and performance. If you have any questions or want to see other comparisons, let us know!
Absolutely, Erik-it’s clear in the video. That’s a big reason why we stand behind Siegmund welding tables. With their proprietary tool steel and advanced surface treatment, they’re built to resist rust and maintain their quality, even in challenging environments. When durability and performance matter, Siegmund delivers!
Thank you, Craig! We’re glad you enjoyed the comparison. If there’s anything specific you’d like us to cover in future videos or any details you’re curious about, feel free to share your thoughts!
@@QuantumMachinery I'd like to see work examples of all your fixture components (clamps, stops, squares etc). Make them shorts, 1 min video max per component. "Here's our ______, its frequently used in these 2 common setups. Did you know it could be also used like this? Get it now, link in description" Make sure link in description is first before everything else and limit your graphic intro to 1 second." If you have 20 of these, put them in a playlist so potential customers can blow through all them quickly and hopefully adding to their cart along the way.
Thank you for the fantastic suggestion, Craig! We love the idea of creating short, focused videos highlighting each fixture component with practical use cases and quick tips. A playlist for easy browsing is a great touch too. We’ll definitely take this into consideration as we refine our content strategy. Your input is truly appreciated and aligns perfectly with what we aim to deliver-engaging and helpful content for our customers. Stay tuned!
been a siegmund boi for almost 10 years. ive got zero complaints, only positive experiences. the deep and precise lines going across the table is highly underated, excellent for quickly tacking up parts or checking if square. and the durability is very impressive
Thanks for being a loyal Siegmund supporter for nearly a decade! We’re thrilled to hear how much you value the precision and durability of our tables. The deep and precise lines are definitely a game-changer for workflow efficiency-glad you’re making the most of them! Here’s to many more years of positive experiences!!
We have 2 tables and after a year plus of being in a shop exposed to the relative humidity of the weather they look like the day the were received. Clean and rust free. Something that was not mentioned about the clamps. You can buy just the vertical bar if your employees happen to break them.
Thank you for sharing your experience, Richard! We’re thrilled to hear your Siegmund tables have stayed in such great condition despite the challenges of shop environments-definitely a testament to their durability and quality. Great point about the clamps, too! It’s always good to have flexible options like replacing just the vertical bar when needed. Your insight is invaluable, and we appreciate you being part of the Siegmund family!
Hands down Siegmund is the best table ever created. You should have at least gone over a percentage price difference even if you didn't want to talk about prices. I
Thank you so much for your support, Daniel! We’re thrilled to hear you think so highly of Siegmund tables-it truly means a lot. You bring up a great point about pricing. Since prices are subject to change and don’t necessarily follow a percentage increment, we wanted to focus the video on quality rather than price. That said, in almost all cases, Siegmund tables are priced very competitively. With thousands of tables stocked in North Carolina for the entire U.S. market, we’re able to offer exceptional value while ensuring fast delivery. If you have any specific questions, feel free to reach out-we’re happy to help!
i've used a siegmund system 28, 1m x 2m fixturing surface since 2017. HD all the way and Nitrided. would never consider any fireball c.i. table. siegmund's quality and precision is unmatched. now many suppliers are making close replications. CH started to produce and now they made their way to the US. siegmund or bluco all the way.
Great test I love the tables started doing more research after seeing the guy on RUclips snowball engineering. He uses your table and makes all kinds of repairs. Seeing it used real life big help
We appreciate the observation, Simon! Siegmund tables are built to set the standard for quality and performance, and we’re glad that difference is clear. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
Go to www.WeldingTables.com to get your very own Siegmund Welding Table & Fixturing Accessories Setup!!
Hello! What would be the price difference between HD and System 28? How big is the difference price wise in tooling packages?
Hi Filis! Great question. We can’t speak for Fireball Tools on their pricing, but we’re happy to share ours. You can find detailed pricing for our System 28 tables and tooling packages here: weldingtablesandfixtures.com/collections/system-28-imperial-series-inch-welding-tables-and-fixturing-accessories
If you have any specific questions, feel free to reach out-we’d be happy to help!
Everyone uses cast iron for their fixturing. Steel warps too easily and these are precision. I have a Sigmund table and fixtures. They’re very flat, that’s both the table and the fixtures. If they used tool steel for the fixtures, they will be much more expensive than they already are and they’re not cheap now. My fixtures cost almost as much as the table. I’d hate to have them cost even more.
Would be great if they also included a flatness test.
Great point, and we appreciate the suggestion! This video was primarily focused on a general quality comparison, but for reference, the flatness of a Siegmund Welding Table is an impressive ±0.019" from corner to corner. That level of precision is why Siegmund welding tables are the flattest in the entire world-perfect for ensuring accuracy in every project!
you guys running a scratch and dent sale on any of those 3 tables?
Good question, Charlie! We’re not running a scratch-and-dent sale, but if you’re interested in a top-quality Siegmund table, feel free to reach out-we’d love to help you explore your options. Thanks for watching!
Can I get a deal on that fireball table though?
That one’s not up for grabs, we're holding on to it for... research purposes. But if you’re ever considering a Siegmund table, we’d be happy to help you find the perfect fit for your needs!
Really I knew everything I needed to know once you said they are German. There's a reason I only drive german cars.
I'll gladly take one of those beaten upon Fireball Tool tables off your hands :)
Tempting offer, but we’re holding onto it for… research purposes. Appreciate you watching!
It’s a bit sad that Siegmund is not that “good” at social media marketing. We had a few of these tables in my previous job. They were fantastic with great tolerances, but I must admit I see a lot of Fireball content but not that much, if even anything from Siegmund if I do not search for it. So this content is very welcomed.👍
Thanks for your honest feedback, Marius! We’re thrilled to hear you’ve had such a great experience with Siegmund tables. You’re absolutely right about the need for more visibility, and that’s all going to change. We’re revamping our approach for the new year with a focus on more engaging and consistent content. Stay tuned-you’ll be seeing a lot more from Quantum Machinery Group / Siegmund USA soon! 👍
@@QuantumMachineryon your social revamp, keep in mind that a lot of us want to support people, not companies. So your videos and content should feel like a real person.
Thank you for the feedback-it’s incredibly valuable! We completely understand the importance of creating content that feels genuine and personal. As we work on our social revamp, we’ll definitely keep this in mind to ensure our videos and content reflect the real people behind Siegmund USA and Quantum Machinery. Your support means a lot!
Astonishing that those tables arrived with such severe rust. I’d be over the moon pissed if I had spent that amount of money and received that. Huge fan of Siegmund tables and tools. If my needs change, they will be the only brand I choose.
Thank you for the kind words and support, CJ! We’re proud to deliver tables and tools that meet the highest standards of quality and durability. Hearing that Siegmund is your go-to means the world to us. If your needs ever change, we’ll be ready to help you find the perfect solution!
After watching this video it is clear that the Siegmund table is far better than the Fireball tables.
You allow comments unlike fireball. You are already a step ahead.
I love my siegmund table 😊
I have worked with siegmund system 22 table for 6 years now. I've been huge fireball tool videos fan from the beginning. The way he covers siegmund table and their accesories shows that he haven't made some real work with these tables. I make a lot of custom designed furnitures wich means a lot of fixturing of medium quantity projects. Looking for fireball videos and his accesories, I would go insane. Siegmund really have tought of the productivity factor. Fastest way to build and remove fixturing. I also work in metric and the fact you can easily use the grid for 100mm increments, also the siegmund stoppers fill fix in 25-50-75mm increments, makes everything so fast. The shim system he promotes looks so unergonomic and slow way to add stoppers. Siegmund has measures on the side of the stops and you can use grids on the table. Also I mentioned that everything locks in the 25-50-75-100mm, 45-and 90 degree angles is super great. I've been abusing my table for 6 years and the coating still don't take spatters and theres no dents.
Great review. Fireball tools proudly promotes quality Made in USA products on their web site and in their videos. Country of origin for their welding tables is mysteriously absent. Because of that, people assume Fireball tables are Made in USA. Proudly "Made in China" is not listed anywhere. Wonder why? Thanks for confirming country of origin and Stronghand as a third party. I've been waiting for the bar impact test on a Fireball table. We've seen Jason at Fireball do lots of tests. For some reason he never performed an impact test. Table hardness is a great measure for long term durability. Resisting dings and dents will ensure precision of working surfaces for many many years. I been using a Siegmund 36" x 48" system 16 table for a few years now. A real joy to use and still looks like new. Fireball should be embarrassed to ship out new tables with so much rust on them. The boat ride from China didn't treat them well.
OMG please don't say casted! 🤮🤮🤮🤮
Luckily, Anthony, you’ve got a source for tables that are not cast-Siegmund welding tables! Engineered from a proprietary blend of tool steel, they deliver unmatched precision and durability. Thanks for keeping quality at the forefront!
Fireball is far too cool to enable comments, complete cowards. This is a true loser move I will never purchase from them.
I like that comments are not turned off!
We appreciate that feedback Gus! At Quantum Machinery Group / Siegmund USA, we’re all about fostering open conversations and valuing feedback from our community. It’s a key part of helping us grow and ensuring we deliver the highest-quality welding tables and accessories. Thanks for being part of the conversation!
Very nice to see a comparison from the other perspective.
Thank you! We felt it was important to provide a fresh perspective so customers can make informed decisions. If there’s anything else you’d like to see compared, let us know!
Great video!
We’re glad you enjoyed the video. Let us know if you have any questions about Siegmund welding tables or if there’s anything specific you’d like to see in future videos!
For those asking about how the Fireball Tool™ welding tables were stored before unboxing, we received them and kept them inside our warehouse for two weeks. They were never left outside or exposed to the elements during that time. What you see in the video reflects their condition as received and stored indoors. They also were purchased as brand new tables, not their B-Stock that they offer.
Smart move on the comparison
Thank you, TrueThinker! We believe side-by-side comparisons like this help highlight the key differences, especially when it comes to quality and performance. If you have any questions or want to see other comparisons, let us know!
wow that is a lot of rust on that brand spanking new table.
Absolutely, Erik-it’s clear in the video. That’s a big reason why we stand behind Siegmund welding tables. With their proprietary tool steel and advanced surface treatment, they’re built to resist rust and maintain their quality, even in challenging environments. When durability and performance matter, Siegmund delivers!
Nice comparison. Thanks.
Thank you, Craig! We’re glad you enjoyed the comparison. If there’s anything specific you’d like us to cover in future videos or any details you’re curious about, feel free to share your thoughts!
@@QuantumMachinery I'd like to see work examples of all your fixture components (clamps, stops, squares etc). Make them shorts, 1 min video max per component. "Here's our ______, its frequently used in these 2 common setups. Did you know it could be also used like this? Get it now, link in description" Make sure link in description is first before everything else and limit your graphic intro to 1 second." If you have 20 of these, put them in a playlist so potential customers can blow through all them quickly and hopefully adding to their cart along the way.
Thank you for the fantastic suggestion, Craig! We love the idea of creating short, focused videos highlighting each fixture component with practical use cases and quick tips. A playlist for easy browsing is a great touch too. We’ll definitely take this into consideration as we refine our content strategy. Your input is truly appreciated and aligns perfectly with what we aim to deliver-engaging and helpful content for our customers. Stay tuned!
been a siegmund boi for almost 10 years. ive got zero complaints, only positive experiences. the deep and precise lines going across the table is highly underated, excellent for quickly tacking up parts or checking if square. and the durability is very impressive
Thanks for being a loyal Siegmund supporter for nearly a decade! We’re thrilled to hear how much you value the precision and durability of our tables. The deep and precise lines are definitely a game-changer for workflow efficiency-glad you’re making the most of them! Here’s to many more years of positive experiences!!
Quality tables and great customer service
Thank you, Robert! We take pride in providing both top-notch tables and exceptional customer service. Your support means a lot to us!
We have 2 tables and after a year plus of being in a shop exposed to the relative humidity of the weather they look like the day the were received. Clean and rust free. Something that was not mentioned about the clamps. You can buy just the vertical bar if your employees happen to break them.
Thank you for sharing your experience, Richard! We’re thrilled to hear your Siegmund tables have stayed in such great condition despite the challenges of shop environments-definitely a testament to their durability and quality. Great point about the clamps, too! It’s always good to have flexible options like replacing just the vertical bar when needed. Your insight is invaluable, and we appreciate you being part of the Siegmund family!
Hands down Siegmund is the best table ever created. You should have at least gone over a percentage price difference even if you didn't want to talk about prices. I
Thank you so much for your support, Daniel! We’re thrilled to hear you think so highly of Siegmund tables-it truly means a lot. You bring up a great point about pricing. Since prices are subject to change and don’t necessarily follow a percentage increment, we wanted to focus the video on quality rather than price. That said, in almost all cases, Siegmund tables are priced very competitively. With thousands of tables stocked in North Carolina for the entire U.S. market, we’re able to offer exceptional value while ensuring fast delivery. If you have any specific questions, feel free to reach out-we’re happy to help!
Nice stuff
Thank you, Reed! We’re glad you liked it. Let us know if you’d like to see more or have any questions about Siegmund tables!
i've used a siegmund system 28, 1m x 2m fixturing surface since 2017. HD all the way and Nitrided. would never consider any fireball c.i. table. siegmund's quality and precision is unmatched. now many suppliers are making close replications. CH started to produce and now they made their way to the US. siegmund or bluco all the way.
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That says it all, AJ! 😄 Let us know if you have any questions or thoughts about the tables-we’d love to hear them!
Great test I love the tables started doing more research after seeing the guy on RUclips snowball engineering. He uses your table and makes all kinds of repairs. Seeing it used real life big help
The Fireball looks like hell compared to the Siegmund.
We appreciate the observation, Simon! Siegmund tables are built to set the standard for quality and performance, and we’re glad that difference is clear. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
Stronghand owns Fireball.
Based on the packaging, that definitely seems to be the case! Always interesting to see those connections in the industry. Thanks for pointing it out!