The funniest part about the debate is, that they're two completely different archetypes of edge rushers. One's a prototype DE, the other a 3-4 OLB. They're also completely different in terms of how their teams use them. One spot drops in coverage, the other can rush inside. If you had to make an argument, Pittsburgh basically never wins if Watt doesn't play, and hes had more game sealing plays. On the other hand; Garrett deals with more double teams than Watt, and has less help. Having said all of that, I legitimately don't know who I'd pick. I'm a 9ers fan, and playing against either of them makes me nervous for SF.
@ I would say watt bc he forces a lot of fumbles and sacks and can also pick the qb off too, Garrett usually rushes and doesn’t get as many sacks or fumbles.
We are 1-10 without TJ on the field. That stat alone tells you how much of an impact he has when playing. He single handedly changes the opposing team's offensive gameplan. You have to plan around him or he's going to ruin your day. He's the most impactful defensive player in the entire NFL, even when he's not racking up stats. It's not even a question.
The Browns are 4-11 without Myles on the field. Everything else you said about TJ could be directly applied to Myles too. They are both elite edge rushers and thus need to be planned for by the other team. In fact, given that TJ was only double teamed on 14% of his rushes compared to 29% for Myles in 2023, it would be quite easy to say that offense changed their game plan more for Myles than for TJ
Which is weird cause they try to use That linebacker for the cowboys as the pedi stool. He ain’t done half the shyt either Garrett or watts has done. Watt should def be the guy to compare to LT.😂
@@klmn4346 This is the only time he’s ever outshone TJ head to head 😂. Last year stats weren’t important for you, but this year they suddenly are huh? Okay cool: In 13 games, it’s TJ 17 sacks, Myles 12. Cheers
Y'all care about bs sacks. Every QB that faces Myles has to throw the ball quicker. Myles gets triple teamed and still generates wins at the line of scrimmage more than TJ watt does. A win is beating the OL within 2.5 seconds since I know y'all don't understand football lol last year our rookie backup tackle dawand Jones, absolutely shut TJ down. Your boy was intimidated by Garrett's comments and it only got worse when the DPOY started smacking the offense around. Your boy operates in a 3-4 going against the RT lmao it's not even close. Garrett lines up against the teams best pass blocker every single week....take notes 🤡🤡
Not taking anything away from TJ, the Steelers are one of the best organizations in football, like they set the standard for success in the league, so it’s no surprise someone like TJ would thrive in that environment. That being said, Myles is a great player, but he plays for the same organization that traded the same QB they drafted and took them to the playoffs for the first time in decades. I have a feeling that kind of environment can be mentally taxing for any player, especially the stars
@@Robbbyyyyy He didn't participate in the playoffs last year due to injury. Despite this, Watt performed just as well as the guy who played in a playoff game. Maybe you should figure out why your guy, Garrett, becomes a virtual non-entity for 8-10 game stretches at the end of seasons.
I'll take TJ over Myles, and I am a Myles fan. But TJ is a game changer. Always getting crucial sacks in pivotal moments, strip sacks to give his offense the ball back. Always getting tackles for loss. Always giving it his ALL EVERY PLAY. Myles is a monster but I haven't yet to see a remarkable game changing moment on his resume, maybe I missed it. TJ Watt is a force mutiplier on that DLine and he ain't scared of no dominant LT guarding him.
As a Steelers fan I actually DON’T think TJ gives his all every play because he always seems to do better when we need him most. Not that he ever slacks off, but I think he’s setting stuff up for later as the game within the game. So maybe he routinely does one move during the game but on a crucial third down in our territory he does an opposite move to catch the blocker by surprise. I haven’t seen anyone show that, but that’s my best guess as to why he usually does his big plays when we need it most. The greats are just like that. Guys like Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, and Tom Brady were never easy but they had higher gears they could switch to in crunch times. That’s the difference between guys who are great during the season but do worse in the playoffs because they always play in high gear but can’t elevate their game when it’s needed.
TJ never goes up against the LT. TJ plays on the LH side of the D-Line against the RT. Myles has played against every single teams best tackle since day 1 of his career.
@@tbone0785 there’s great tackles on both sides of the line, some better some worse, it’s a DPOY award not a I play against X and you play against Y award. Every NFL Player is an Elite athlete (how’d they get to the league lol) Myles played with arguably the best Dline in the league for years you’d think he’d have more to show for it. Myles is a great player don’t get me wrong but DPOY was rightfully TJs last year
@@tbone0785it ain’t 2005 anymore, guys like Nick and Joey Bosa and Watt have been lining up on the right side of the offensive line for years now and the NFL has adjusted, which ironically is why we are starting to see TJ and Nick start to move around more, trying to get better matchups
The Steelers' defense and special teams are Super Bowl caliber The offense is still growing and meshing together but they have room to grow and haven't played their best ball yet by far and have a little ways to go before they are as mean as the defense
I hate how media treats special teams like they’re doing some trick plays and it’s not an integral part of the game. maybe it’s because i’m more of a futbol (soccer) fan than I am american football, but AT LEAST once a game were pinning opposing teams offenses within their 20. i’m not betting man but if they’re a parlay for the steelers to get a blocked field goal or punt, i’d take the bet, and chris boswell? forget about it. man is making a case for MVP but the league and media won’t do that cause they have quarterbacks dicks so far down their throat they can’t even get boswells name out there for consideration
How can you possibly call MG a fraud? Internet tough talk has become so normalized. I have no problem with you saying TJ is better, but you don’t got to say fraud.
Why don't they show the Downs played, because Cleveland actually had a good offense maybe two of those years, and I'm a big TJ watt fan but it seems like the Steelers are always on defense their offense has been struggling since roethlisberger got old
Well they're both a first ballot. Garret does have 95 sacks. Can't really compare anyone to Watt. He just never stops. He seems to create a negative play when they need it. Garrett has say something to get noticed being in Cleveland, lol.
2:12 I love this response by J, Garret is a generational talent and TJ being dominant doesn’t take away from that. We had Reggie White an LT in the same league, legends each there own
Right? Steelers beat them, but the Ravens are still "better." The Ravens also lost to the 2-8 Browns, and the 2-8 Raiders, but somehow still a Super Bowl favorite in the eyes of many.
Too many people overreact to divisional road games. Funny how steelers fans be overreacting to beating the ravens at home, but will now be excusing their loss to the browns as a divisional road game. You'll lose in baltimore, and with a tougher schedule you won't even win the division unless you sweep the bengals and either win in Philly or home against the chiefs.
@nochilllwill and his play doesn't help them improve, he's a good player but he's wasting his prime years in Cleveland but maybe he doesn't care about winning only personal stats
Not a good example. Tell me if globe photos are cgi or not.. Where is your “proof”? You cant prove it one way or another.. but nasa admits that the globe photos are cgi.
Comparing stats from 2 players that don’t play the same position, don’t play in the same scheme, don’t have the same responsibilities, don’t even rush from the same side is idiotic. I don’t think football is for you. Maybe try basketball or something
@@Robbbyyyyythank you for an unbiased look at this. As a browns fan, i don’t understand why we are comparing the two when they aren’t the same type of player. If I was a GM, I’m taking both of them for my team
The TJ rider bots are stronk. I'll take the DE that bullrushes a Left Tackle. Not a OLB who preys on the right tackle and TE. Both are great i just prefer the DE
As a Steelers fan i totally agree. Our defense has and always will be a show stopper. But our offensive line SINCE a year before Ben left has been TRAAAASH. This season I see us MAYBE making it to the AFC championship but with our line I don’t see a Super Bowl for awhile.
@@amberreed4443 If our line is our biggest problem, I think that means we have a pretty solid football team. Did they give up a bunch of sacks against the Ravens? Sure. Russel was running for his life all day. Pass protection could be better. But also, we could use some help from receivers getting open. But the line has been an improvement this year, aside from Broderick Jone's regression. A rookie center who is playing phenomenally coupled with a rookie right guard in McCormick who is playing decent all things considered. Fautanu was playing well before he got hurt. Hopefully he can recover and avoid the injury bug that was a question mark when we drafted him. We're ranked 8th in rush yards per game. Najee is on pace for a 1000 yard season again. The team is already well over 1000 yd combined rushing for the season. I am optimistic that this line keeps getting better and better. I hope Frazier turns into another franchise center. And I'm also liking what I'm seeing with Darnell essentially being an extra lineman that can catch.
@amberreed4443 it's not really as huge as problem as yall think... Jones is really the only issue with penalties fr, they are also young outside of isaac so I think throwing so more quick slants and outs would do wonders for the oline confidence
TJ this year held down the Steelers when they had no offense. Now that Russ provided solid QB play, they should have been the favourites at home to beat the Ravens. I didn't hear a case for Fred Warner being MVP last year, I haven't heard it yet for TJ Watt this year. But dang it's awesome when a defender can dominate so cleanly that you Know he's the difference
When Garret is out for a game how many more points does the defense allow? Hint it is not even close to the 7 extra points that the Steel Curtain gives up when TJ is out.
That’s not true at all😂😂😂 everyone double teams Myles far more and gets rid of the ball far faster against Myles. That should tell you what you need to know. They feel like they can roll the dice with TJ some times which leads to greater numbers.
@@SuperStarTidus18 it was broadcast in like every game last year. They had by far the fastest time ball thrown against them. I would probably take TJ over Myles all I’m saying is the he gets more sacks so he better is just retarted. No GM is going off that alone and thats all people ever bring up? You just admitted yourself you didn’t even know where that stat was. And if a dude has like a whole less second to get to the quarterback every other snap that would probably make a difference don’t ya think. Maybe I have the stats wrong even? But no one is even talking about it. Just because Jamies Winston racks up crazy numbers in yards and touchdowns doesn’t mean he is the best.
Even last year the Steelers stayed with the Bills in the wildcard game despite using our third string quarterback who isn’t a starter this year, starters who came off the couch midseason due to injuries, and not having TJ. Heck, just missing TJ was likely the biggest factor. Yet I never lost hope until the end of the game. We’re much better this year. I think people just can’t comprehend the Steelers because they win in the wrong way. But we’re not a dominant team. We just have a well coached team full of guys who can make magic happen. We’re not going to blow out bad teams but we’re going to cause problems for good teams. It’s just gritty Steelers football.
@@Buconoir you guys? Lmao he was the one who cared enough by complaining about it on twitter, that’s the whole point of what the dude was saying… but hey good game tonight, looks like Myles Garrett outperformed TJ watt tonight
If you need a play, TJ is who you would pick. Not every drive will be a turnover but it sure feels like he creates multiple opportunities for the defensive every time the opposing offense takes the field.
Games are not won or lost by great offenses or defenses, they are won by the team that scores more points than the other team does. And if the defense allows less points than their offense can score, that is just enough to win that game. Therefore the Steelers don't need a great offense that scores them 30 points a game, they just need an above average offense that scores them more points than their great defense allows. Just as we saw against the Ravens.
What makes you say that? TJ gets more unobstructed lanes to the QB than Myles. Myles and TJ play two different positions with two different roles on the field.
Myles Garrett is a generational Defensive End. TJ is a generational OLB. They're both INCREDIBLE with two different roles to play on the football field.
AQ is full of it, you do not win games without a really good defense. The Steelers have shown all year long that their Defense is helping them win games.
I'd only take these "rivalries" seriously when it's pass rusher vs Offensive tackle, QB vs safety, RB vs LB, WR vs CB etc. QB vs QB means NOTHING when they never actually face each other.
One guy plays for a hall of fame coach and one of the best run franchises in the league. The other plays for Cleveland. The fact that this is a conversation tells you who is the better player. Situations matter, in football more than almost any other sport.
I’m not sure but it is weird no one brings up how fast teams last year were getting rid of the ball. It was by far the fastest in the nfl the second half. Teams were completely changing there scheme completely around getting rid of the ball so fast it wouldn’t matter how dominant the pass rush was??? They talked about it a bunch in the Texans game playoffs.
It’s all on Watt Myles is nothing but complimentary and respectful of Watt in literally every single interview about him. Watt is a sore loser and a crybaby.
Fyi... Broderick is young; and it is what it is! Tomilin stuck with Dan Moore throughout his struggles, proving me wrong😑in the next couple of years, we'll have the best offensive line in the league!🖤💛🖤💛
The Steelers have lost 2 games this year. Both games by only "3" points!!!! The disrespect that people have for the Steelers is ridiculous. They are going to make all these haters eat their words!! Here We Go!!!!! 🖤💛🏈💛🖤
Tj didn't show up because he got snubbed. Myles never skipped because he never deserved it. Big difference. Only people who believe Myles "won" are browns fans, cowboys fans and steeler haters. Tj was the best and arguably still the best defensive player.
Im a Browns fan. I love Myles, but he lacks intensity. TJ is intense. I would trade Myles for TJ. Stefanski lacks intensity, I would trade Stefanski for Vrabel. Intensity is so underrated. You need the fire!!!!!!
With all this mobile Qb and dump pass. Makes you wonder why you need a linebacker or defensive end. The line is either gonna let them collapse inside or move to another direction. The Qb just rolls and moves right up the gut for a break of 30 because the safety and the Cb are up there. Makes the Wr and Te secondary. Why does anyone like Football if the Qb just runs lol
Myles WHO?! He had ZERO sacks, tackles, assists, quarterback hits, forced fumbles, recoveries or interceptions against the Saints. He might as well have been benched.
Lions are the only SB quality team currently. All phases look great. Chiefs, Bills, Ravens all have slightly above to average offensive lines. Eagles, Steelers, have average to below average lines with flashes of above average depending on the opponent. Honestly, out of the six teams I listed. I believe a single game between any would be a toss up 50/50 to 60/40 at best in favor of the Lions.
I’m just confused as to why the o line talk is completely negative, the Steelers are like a top 8 running team in the nfl u have to have a pretty good run blocking line to be up there. I guess if ur talking pass pro ya but the run blocking has been pretty great this year
@AQ Tell me you don't watch Steelers games without telling me you don't watch Steelers games. Russ throws the ball away to avoid sacks 3-5 times a game. He's well above the "50%" passing that you said. He's also only a few games into the offense too...Steelers by 10 today...Steelers Lions in the SB...Steelers ML all day.
When the OFFICIAL NFL RUclips CHANNEL says TJ Watt should have won DPOY, that says something. Like wtf is pass rush win rate
The funniest part about the debate is, that they're two completely different archetypes of edge rushers. One's a prototype DE, the other a 3-4 OLB. They're also completely different in terms of how their teams use them. One spot drops in coverage, the other can rush inside.
If you had to make an argument, Pittsburgh basically never wins if Watt doesn't play, and hes had more game sealing plays. On the other hand; Garrett deals with more double teams than Watt, and has less help.
Having said all of that, I legitimately don't know who I'd pick. I'm a 9ers fan, and playing against either of them makes me nervous for SF.
@ I would say watt bc he forces a lot of fumbles and sacks and can also pick the qb off too, Garrett usually rushes and doesn’t get as many sacks or fumbles.
if i had to guess "pass rush win rate" is the rate at which the player wins their pash rush attempts
And obviously he’s a little biased but JJ knows a thing or 2 about defense. AJ as well
@ yeah
more intense than the Myles Garrett / Mason Rudolph rivalry ?
Let us never forget.
A smashing good time.
A moment stuck in my helmet forever
@@valhallaoutcast how the dude never got an attempted murder charge I’ll never know
Who?
Here after Garrett had 3 sacks and a forced fumble, and tj did absolutely nothing
Against watson at that.. Lmao lets go MILES!! After his strip sack he said “HE BETTER THAT WHO!!??”
Oh, he finally showed up for once? So one game to a whole career now? 🤡
@@Highlander055 O H
@@dave3823 myles has a higher double team percentage rate.
Amen tell it like it is..👏👏👏👏
TJ watt takes over a game and wins games for his team. Myles has never done that
But Myles has never had a worthy QB.
@@vipahmanWhat does that have to do with a Defensive player?
@@vipahmanhow tf does that relate to a DE? And are you calling duck Hodges a “worthy qb?”
@@nehrenz10 a lot easier to "take over " with highsmith and cam hayward on the damn team
like or hate myles he definitely has won games for the browns single handedly
He tried to kill Rudy
😂😂😂😂😂
There is NO rivalry. TJ has been better every year that he’s been healthy.
Tj has been on a better defense he not better than myles
@@qdamusiq5006stfu man, browns had a top 5 defense last year and TJ blew him out the water with EVERY SINGLE STAT.
@@qdamusiq5006Thank goodness you do not work for the NFL player rankings.😂
Tj often makes the timely big play when its important
@@qdamusiq5006 TJ is on the better defense because he’s a significantly better player.
We are 1-10 without TJ on the field. That stat alone tells you how much of an impact he has when playing. He single handedly changes the opposing team's offensive gameplan. You have to plan around him or he's going to ruin your day.
He's the most impactful defensive player in the entire NFL, even when he's not racking up stats. It's not even a question.
Do you think teams planning around the other teams best players is exclusive to TJ Watt?
@Robbbyyyyy nope, and I didn't claim that. My point was when TJ is on the field, the Steelers defense is a night and day difference.
The Browns are 4-11 without Myles on the field. Everything else you said about TJ could be directly applied to Myles too. They are both elite edge rushers and thus need to be planned for by the other team. In fact, given that TJ was only double teamed on 14% of his rushes compared to 29% for Myles in 2023, it would be quite easy to say that offense changed their game plan more for Myles than for TJ
Tj watt is the best OLB since Lawrence Taylor.
Which is weird cause they try to use That linebacker for the cowboys as the pedi stool. He ain’t done half the shyt either Garrett or watts has done. Watt should def be the guy to compare to LT.😂
TJ has been consistently the best Defensive player in the league since he entered. Awards or not, we can see it for ourselves
Wrong
Facts
Yet another sports fan that doesn't bother to check the evidence, just spouts nonsense like it's true
@@cmillertime7477 lmao, ok 🤡
@@loganbremerman1248did he look like the better player tonight or did Miles look superior
Garrett #1 he told yall.he was gonna show you and he did. 1 tackle for TJ. 3 sacks and a forced fumble for Garrett now everybody take notes 😂😂💪
@@klmn4346 This is the only time he’s ever outshone TJ head to head 😂. Last year stats weren’t important for you, but this year they suddenly are huh? Okay cool: In 13 games, it’s TJ 17 sacks, Myles 12. Cheers
@@WhymisterioughtaSeriously, it’s one game to whole career. 🤣
@@Whymisterioughtadid you cry writing this
Y'all care about bs sacks. Every QB that faces Myles has to throw the ball quicker. Myles gets triple teamed and still generates wins at the line of scrimmage more than TJ watt does. A win is beating the OL within 2.5 seconds since I know y'all don't understand football lol last year our rookie backup tackle dawand Jones, absolutely shut TJ down. Your boy was intimidated by Garrett's comments and it only got worse when the DPOY started smacking the offense around. Your boy operates in a 3-4 going against the RT lmao it's not even close. Garrett lines up against the teams best pass blocker every single week....take notes 🤡🤡
@@HjjMaker I cried laughing at your pathetic response
Garret is a 🤡. He was on the back of a Milk carton last year in the playoffs.
An injured TJ Watt had more of an impact on the outcome of Steeler playoff game than a healthy Myles Garrett did in the Browns playoff game.
Not taking anything away from TJ, the Steelers are one of the best organizations in football, like they set the standard for success in the league, so it’s no surprise someone like TJ would thrive in that environment. That being said, Myles is a great player, but he plays for the same organization that traded the same QB they drafted and took them to the playoffs for the first time in decades. I have a feeling that kind of environment can be mentally taxing for any player, especially the stars
@@joshfrye542super playoff performer TJ Watt has yet to win a playoff game. Crazy
It's a regular season award
@@Robbbyyyyy He didn't participate in the playoffs last year due to injury. Despite this, Watt performed just as well as the guy who played in a playoff game. Maybe you should figure out why your guy, Garrett, becomes a virtual non-entity for 8-10 game stretches at the end of seasons.
Reading these comments after Myles Dominated against the Steelers and TJ did absolutely nothing is hilarious.
so DPOY because that is how myles won last year? by not be able to even compare stat wise to tj in any real metric?
@@llambalover011Garrett doing this with 4x as many Double teams is better than Watt doing these stats
I'll take TJ over Myles, and I am a Myles fan. But TJ is a game changer. Always getting crucial sacks in pivotal moments, strip sacks to give his offense the ball back. Always getting tackles for loss. Always giving it his ALL EVERY PLAY. Myles is a monster but I haven't yet to see a remarkable game changing moment on his resume, maybe I missed it. TJ Watt is a force mutiplier on that DLine and he ain't scared of no dominant LT guarding him.
As a Steelers fan I actually DON’T think TJ gives his all every play because he always seems to do better when we need him most. Not that he ever slacks off, but I think he’s setting stuff up for later as the game within the game. So maybe he routinely does one move during the game but on a crucial third down in our territory he does an opposite move to catch the blocker by surprise. I haven’t seen anyone show that, but that’s my best guess as to why he usually does his big plays when we need it most.
The greats are just like that. Guys like Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, and Tom Brady were never easy but they had higher gears they could switch to in crunch times. That’s the difference between guys who are great during the season but do worse in the playoffs because they always play in high gear but can’t elevate their game when it’s needed.
The only Myles play I find memorable is that field goal block he got last year, TJ is up there with Aaron Donald in regards to game wrecking
TJ never goes up against the LT. TJ plays on the LH side of the D-Line against the RT. Myles has played against every single teams best tackle since day 1 of his career.
@@tbone0785 there’s great tackles on both sides of the line, some better some worse, it’s a DPOY award not a I play against X and you play against Y award. Every NFL Player is an Elite athlete (how’d they get to the league lol) Myles played with arguably the best Dline in the league for years you’d think he’d have more to show for it. Myles is a great player don’t get me wrong but DPOY was rightfully TJs last year
@@tbone0785it ain’t 2005 anymore, guys like Nick and Joey Bosa and Watt have been lining up on the right side of the offensive line for years now and the NFL has adjusted, which ironically is why we are starting to see TJ and Nick start to move around more, trying to get better matchups
The Steelers' defense and special teams are Super Bowl caliber The offense is still growing and meshing together but they have room to grow and haven't played their best ball yet by far and have a little ways to go before they are as mean as the defense
I hate how media treats special teams like they’re doing some trick plays and it’s not an integral part of the game. maybe it’s because i’m more of a futbol (soccer) fan than I am american football, but AT LEAST once a game were pinning opposing teams offenses within their 20. i’m not betting man but if they’re a parlay for the steelers to get a blocked field goal or punt, i’d take the bet, and chris boswell? forget about it. man is making a case for MVP but the league and media won’t do that cause they have quarterbacks dicks so far down their throat they can’t even get boswells name out there for consideration
there is no debate. garrett is good but watt is generational.
He’s not even the best watt
Tj should have made his comments after the game, Myles is next level
Really sucks that TJ didn’t play at all in this game, really wish we could’ve seen them both on the field in prime time to see who was better.
It’s not a rivalry stat wise, TJ owns that fraud
I think easy argument is that tj almost never gets doubled and usually has like massive games w a lot of stats against very bad teams
They’re both dogs, why the negativity?
How can you possibly call MG a fraud? Internet tough talk has become so normalized. I have no problem with you saying TJ is better, but you don’t got to say fraud.
You internet tough guys are hilarious
Why don't they show the Downs played, because Cleveland actually had a good offense maybe two of those years, and I'm a big TJ watt fan but it seems like the Steelers are always on defense their offense has been struggling since roethlisberger got old
Miles Garrett is only relevant cause they gifted him DPOY. There is no comparison between the two. TJ is already a first ballot.
Well they're both a first ballot. Garret does have 95 sacks. Can't really compare anyone to Watt. He just never stops. He seems to create a negative play when they need it. Garrett has say something to get noticed being in Cleveland, lol.
Rookie tackle from the saints locked him down.Enough said
Kendall Lamb (3rd string tackle) locked TJ up in a playoff game. But sure, enough said.
@@Robbbyyyyybesides every stat being better, I’ve never even seen Myles Garrett single handedly win a game. TJ does it 4-5 times a year
Myles is playing on two feet that need surgery lol
@@AbrahamIsUrFatherThats his fault lol lmao
@@JoeyWhite-p9qHe takes on all 11 by himself??? 😮😮😮😮
2:12 I love this response by J, Garret is a generational talent and TJ being dominant doesn’t take away from that. We had Reggie White an LT in the same league, legends each there own
Sooo the Ravens can win the Super Bowl, but not the team that just beat them?
That's the point JJ was making
Right? Steelers beat them, but the Ravens are still "better." The Ravens also lost to the 2-8 Browns, and the 2-8 Raiders, but somehow still a Super Bowl favorite in the eyes of many.
@@joshnadzam lmao they lost due to their kicker missing a 50 and 47 yard fg stop the cap that’s why you bums lost
Too many people overreact to divisional road games. Funny how steelers fans be overreacting to beating the ravens at home, but will now be excusing their loss to the browns as a divisional road game. You'll lose in baltimore, and with a tougher schedule you won't even win the division unless you sweep the bengals and either win in Philly or home against the chiefs.
Myles is a one man show. Watt is one man on a consistently good defense. Myles has done more with much less help. It’s definitely close.
So the Browns secondary and overall defense wasn’t one of the tops in the NFL last year…Ok. Come back when you have a clue.
@ 1 year outta…? Getta clue look at that Dline other than him every year.
There is no rivalry there’s just Myles crying
Naw TJ Watt was crying last year because Myles won DPOY award. Watt acted like a child and was tweeting about Myles like an obsessive ex.
Myles usually quits on his team in the 2nd half of games and he doesn't elevate his team
his team usually sucks too
@nochilllwill and his play doesn't help them improve, he's a good player but he's wasting his prime years in Cleveland but maybe he doesn't care about winning only personal stats
@@ChuckHuffmasterweird considering Myles has more playoff wins that twatt
@AbrahamIsUrFather 1 playoff win isn't anything to brag about
How stupid can you be?
Tj clears Myles n it’s not even close.
This debate is like a flat earth debate, one side is stating reality while the other side won’t accept it
Not a good example. Tell me if globe photos are cgi or not.. Where is your “proof”? You cant prove it one way or another.. but nasa admits that the globe photos are cgi.
as Browns fan, Myles needs to stfu. Tj is better hands down. stats proves it
Comparing stats from 2 players that don’t play the same position, don’t play in the same scheme, don’t have the same responsibilities, don’t even rush from the same side is idiotic. I don’t think football is for you. Maybe try basketball or something
@@Robbbyyyyyhahah
@@Robbbyyyyyexactly and Myles is better
@@Robbbyyyyy if you haven't watched football, TJ plays DE even though he is listed as LB. Do better
@@Robbbyyyyythank you for an unbiased look at this. As a browns fan, i don’t understand why we are comparing the two when they aren’t the same type of player. If I was a GM, I’m taking both of them for my team
Watt really killed it tonight🙄🥴
The TJ rider bots are stronk. I'll take the DE that bullrushes a Left Tackle. Not a OLB who preys on the right tackle and TE. Both are great i just prefer the DE
I prefer people that understand the game.
@dave3823 sounds like you're a 3-4 guy and I'm a 4-3 guy naw mean?
As a Steelers fan i totally agree. Our defense has and always will be a show stopper. But our offensive line SINCE a year before Ben left has been TRAAAASH. This season I see us MAYBE making it to the AFC championship but with our line I don’t see a Super Bowl for awhile.
Agree! Out line is our biggest problem.
@@amberreed4443 If our line is our biggest problem, I think that means we have a pretty solid football team. Did they give up a bunch of sacks against the Ravens? Sure. Russel was running for his life all day. Pass protection could be better. But also, we could use some help from receivers getting open.
But the line has been an improvement this year, aside from Broderick Jone's regression. A rookie center who is playing phenomenally coupled with a rookie right guard in McCormick who is playing decent all things considered. Fautanu was playing well before he got hurt. Hopefully he can recover and avoid the injury bug that was a question mark when we drafted him.
We're ranked 8th in rush yards per game. Najee is on pace for a 1000 yard season again. The team is already well over 1000 yd combined rushing for the season.
I am optimistic that this line keeps getting better and better. I hope Frazier turns into another franchise center. And I'm also liking what I'm seeing with Darnell essentially being an extra lineman that can catch.
@amberreed4443 it's not really as huge as problem as yall think... Jones is really the only issue with penalties fr, they are also young outside of isaac so I think throwing so more quick slants and outs would do wonders for the oline confidence
@@erichudsonjr5465right, playcalling is part of it
And then you woke up 🤣🤣💯
Myles just shut this convo down today… hard
TJ is not lying Myles is good but TJ is great 💪🏾💪🏾
Miles Garret plays for Cleveland. That tells you all you need to know....😂😂😂😂😂
TJ this year held down the Steelers when they had no offense. Now that Russ provided solid QB play, they should have been the favourites at home to beat the Ravens. I didn't hear a case for Fred Warner being MVP last year, I haven't heard it yet for TJ Watt this year. But dang it's awesome when a defender can dominate so cleanly that you Know he's the difference
Garret falsely accused rudolf of a racial slur so i kinda lost respect for him
Theres on 1 stat Myles tops TJ in.
Helmet swings on a football field.
Playoff wins too
Just checking in after the game 🌚
They hiding in the snow
This game will be good Thursday defensive battle coming 💪🏾
When Garret is out for a game how many more points does the defense allow? Hint it is not even close to the 7 extra points that the Steel Curtain gives up when TJ is out.
Mr brittle should stop missing games. That's a personal problem.
@@Ihavetocorrectyou TJ has missed less games in his career than Myles lmao 😂 call yourself a clown
@KdaB79 No he didn't dummy. Stop typing lies and take your L.
Here after the TNF win against the Steelers, Watt was not see at all last night.
Ask any GM. None would take Garrett over TJ.
That’s not true at all😂😂😂 everyone double teams Myles far more and gets rid of the ball far faster against Myles. That should tell you what you need to know. They feel like they can roll the dice with TJ some times which leads to greater numbers.
@ How would you know? They chopped your head season 1
@@SuperStarTidus18 it was broadcast in like every game last year. They had by far the fastest time ball thrown against them. I would probably take TJ over Myles all I’m saying is the he gets more sacks so he better is just retarted. No GM is going off that alone and thats all people ever bring up? You just admitted yourself you didn’t even know where that stat was. And if a dude has like a whole less second to get to the quarterback every other snap that would probably make a difference don’t ya think. Maybe I have the stats wrong even? But no one is even talking about it. Just because Jamies Winston racks up crazy numbers in yards and touchdowns doesn’t mean he is the best.
@@NedStarrk007 In the Game of Thrones you either win or you die. You already died. Why u talking to me?
@@SuperStarTidus18 still think I’m dead 😘
Steelers are a top 10 rushing team in the NFL...not sure why they think they aren't built for the playoffs.
That defense could be really dangerous, and the offensive weapons might give them just enough any given week.
Even last year the Steelers stayed with the Bills in the wildcard game despite using our third string quarterback who isn’t a starter this year, starters who came off the couch midseason due to injuries, and not having TJ. Heck, just missing TJ was likely the biggest factor. Yet I never lost hope until the end of the game.
We’re much better this year. I think people just can’t comprehend the Steelers because they win in the wrong way. But we’re not a dominant team. We just have a well coached team full of guys who can make magic happen. We’re not going to blow out bad teams but we’re going to cause problems for good teams. It’s just gritty Steelers football.
Top two , then and the eagles
Ya know a rivalry implies that both are very close and TJ has been far ahead of Garrett every year.
I’ve never seen a comparison between 2 different positions like this, people are so weird
Steelers fans are so super slow sooo they don’t know what that means
Zero sacks today for TJ, 3 sacks for Myles!
Trey Hendrickson over Myles
TJ IS THE G.O.A T.
Myles called him out and then dominated...good game TJ whatever his name is 😂
Rivalry? The only person doing it better than everyone is TJ Watt. It’s not even a competition
Nah, it's not a beef or rivalry unless both sides acknowledge it. TJ doesn't care.
The dude who threw a hissy fit on Twitter last year doesn’t care about it? “It’s nothing I’m not used to” you people are delusional
@Robbbyyyyy he did? Gee, didn't seem all that much. Delusional is you watching browns games
@@Buconoiryeah he did, do you not remember? lol
@markees97 he tweeted? That's all it takes nowadays?! Man, you guys have gotten soft.
@@Buconoir you guys? Lmao he was the one who cared enough by complaining about it on twitter, that’s the whole point of what the dude was saying… but hey good game tonight, looks like Myles Garrett outperformed TJ watt tonight
If you need a play, TJ is who you would pick. Not every drive will be a turnover but it sure feels like he creates multiple opportunities for the defensive every time the opposing offense takes the field.
Games are not won or lost by great offenses or defenses, they are won by the team that scores more points than the other team does. And if the defense allows less points than their offense can score, that is just enough to win that game. Therefore the Steelers don't need a great offense that scores them 30 points a game, they just need an above average offense that scores them more points than their great defense allows. Just as we saw against the Ravens.
Tj who? Dude was basically non existent
Shipley must have ALWAYS got smacked around playing against THE BURGH lol 😂
What a joke. Watt is twice the player Myles is.
What makes you say that? TJ gets more unobstructed lanes to the QB than Myles. Myles and TJ play two different positions with two different roles on the field.
Myles is mostly hype.
Myles Garrett is a generational Defensive End. TJ is a generational OLB. They're both INCREDIBLE with two different roles to play on the football field.
@@jedelliott265 .. you have your opinion about Garrett and others have theirs. ✌✌TJ consistently wrecks a game... Garrett, not very often.
@ dude you don't know ball
@@jedelliott265 .... oh my... I see someone had their feelings pinched ...
AQ is full of it, you do not win games without a really good defense. The Steelers have shown all year long that their Defense is helping them win games.
I'd only take these "rivalries" seriously when it's pass rusher vs Offensive tackle, QB vs safety, RB vs LB, WR vs CB etc. QB vs QB means NOTHING when they never actually face each other.
One guy plays for a hall of fame coach and one of the best run franchises in the league. The other plays for Cleveland. The fact that this is a conversation tells you who is the better player. Situations matter, in football more than almost any other sport.
I’m not sure but it is weird no one brings up how fast teams last year were getting rid of the ball. It was by far the fastest in the nfl the second half. Teams were completely changing there scheme completely around getting rid of the ball so fast it wouldn’t matter how dominant the pass rush was??? They talked about it a bunch in the Texans game playoffs.
The caucasity in the comments 😂 it's just a game 😂
Well said JJ there is no competition this is great players playing exceptionally
It’s all on Watt
Myles is nothing but complimentary and respectful of Watt in literally every single interview about him. Watt is a sore loser and a crybaby.
Fyi... Broderick is young; and it is what it is! Tomilin stuck with Dan Moore throughout his struggles, proving me wrong😑in the next couple of years, we'll have the best offensive line in the league!🖤💛🖤💛
The Steelers have lost 2 games this year. Both games by only "3" points!!!! The disrespect that people have for the Steelers is ridiculous. They are going to make all these haters eat their words!! Here We Go!!!!! 🖤💛🏈💛🖤
7:07 almost won? Chiefs got blown out 31-9. What’re you smoking Pat? Lol
Tj didn't show up because he got snubbed. Myles never skipped because he never deserved it. Big difference.
Only people who believe Myles "won" are browns fans, cowboys fans and steeler haters. Tj was the best and arguably still the best defensive player.
Crazy how Myles is so worried about TJ and TJ said he don’t care he just wants to win games. Says enough 💯
Lmfao after he got dominated I would say that too he needs to know his place after miles
@ it was actually before the game buster lol
@@jeohvanydelgado7125 he had premonitions of getting dominated
So you’re saying there’s a chance!😂🏈 let’s freaking go Steeler nation!! We’ve already won a trophy with a subpar o-line,round two and we got this 💩!!
🖤💛🖤💛 Here We Goooooooo
Just add to the fire boys. This team is special.
I think Watt makes more impact plays(last year and this year) .im a browns fan Garret is great but this year mostly ineffective
Myles told y'all what was gonna happen 😂
Did Pat just say the chiefs “almost won” against the buccaneers?
It can't pick up intensity in November, because Garrett turns into a ghost every November 🤣🤣
Myles Garrett has been a no show in 4-5 games this year. When I say no show, I literally mean not a single tackle.
TJ should make Miles aware of this rivalry 🙄
Im a Browns fan. I love Myles, but he lacks intensity. TJ is intense. I would trade Myles for TJ. Stefanski lacks intensity, I would trade Stefanski for Vrabel. Intensity is so underrated. You need the fire!!!!!!
With all this mobile Qb and dump pass. Makes you wonder why you need a linebacker or defensive end. The line is either gonna let them collapse inside or move to another direction. The Qb just rolls and moves right up the gut for a break of 30 because the safety and the Cb are up there. Makes the Wr and Te secondary.
Why does anyone like Football if the Qb just runs lol
AQ being a offensive lineman and his reasoning being the Oline is sad cus that’s the Steelers offensive stregnth rn
Number don’t lie, TJ beat Garrett year in and year out on the stat sheet, period!
Pat needs to RESPECT JJ, and release the full interviews as clips! Seems like everyone else has their FULL interviews released.
Myles WHO?! He had ZERO sacks, tackles, assists, quarterback hits, forced fumbles, recoveries or interceptions against the Saints. He might as well have been benched.
He has 3 and a strip sack and n the first half when he’s not doubled unlike watts weak ass
Russ and the offense is getting better with every games😊
He tried to throw the ravens in it when his brother doesn’t even have a playoff win to his career lol
Steelers have best defense and best special teams so 2 outta 3 is damn good
They should’ve asked Myles if he and Watt switched numbers for this past season and they gave the DPOY to TJ how would he feel.
He should have told them that’s not how reality works
@ did you even read what you said lol I don’t know what you’re trying to say
@@jonny4yacomment made perfect since them switching numbers to know how each other feels isn’t phcuking reality you slow?
Rivalry?
One guy has finished top 3 four times… the other only once. Which was last year where he won by 4 votes. Stop it.
AQ - yeah I think the Steelers O is weak
Also AQ - yeah I could see the Ravens and Steelers at the level of the top NFC team, Detroit Lions
Shortening JJ into Jage 😂
They already have stats for "pass rush win rate". It's called sacks, hurries, and qb hits. Who had more of each?
What happened?? 😂😂
Lions are the only SB quality team currently. All phases look great. Chiefs, Bills, Ravens all have slightly above to average offensive lines. Eagles, Steelers, have average to below average lines with flashes of above average depending on the opponent. Honestly, out of the six teams I listed. I believe a single game between any would be a toss up 50/50 to 60/40 at best in favor of the Lions.
Lions coach plays with house money too much. He's not trustworthy at all. In a close game he'll be the reason they lose...guaranteed.
Respect to Myles, but TJ is a gamebreaker. Nothing wrong with silver.
Then TJ can have it might not even deserve bronze
Look at their stats beside each other. Watt won every category
Myles garrett is a DAWGGGGGGGGG no question about it but he ain't TJ TJ WATT IS THE BEST DEFENSIVE PLAYER ON THE PLANET
Hey, everyone knows Myles ALMOST touched CJ Stroud in a game, he obviously deserved DPOY
Selling the hard knocks season with the one that has nothing to lose lol
jj doesn’t hide his bias at all
That's a fair debate. Steelers O-line is the weakest link.
I’m just confused as to why the o line talk is completely negative, the Steelers are like a top 8 running team in the nfl u have to have a pretty good run blocking line to be up there. I guess if ur talking pass pro ya but the run blocking has been pretty great this year
@AQ Tell me you don't watch Steelers games without telling me you don't watch Steelers games. Russ throws the ball away to avoid sacks 3-5 times a game. He's well above the "50%" passing that you said. He's also only a few games into the offense too...Steelers by 10 today...Steelers Lions in the SB...Steelers ML all day.
Miles a DEI DPOY 😂