Brewing With Underwhelming Commanders | Episode 14
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- Опубликовано: 10 фев 2025
- This episode featuring Patron of the Orochi, Zirilan of the Claw and Quintorius, Field Historian.
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I had a zirilan I cherished for a long time, its a great deck, I evolved it into karrthus for a more stompy than silver bullet deck but I still think its great and stands well on it's own. Some notes:
-Be careful with worldgorger, if someone destroys it in response to it's ETB trigger, you will lose all your permanents forever, similar to the O-Ring trick. watch for open white or black mana
-Big mana is your wincon since you will have fire breathers, cards like braid of fire, seething song, mana geyser, caged sun and friends are amazing, braid of fire in particular is great since you can just activate zirilan on your upkeep with its effect and use the leftover mana for any fire breathing
-The best firebreather is dragon tyrant which is normally garbage due to its excessive mana cost and huge upkeep, but in zirilan its an amazing mana dump due to double strike trample and fire breathing, great surprise wincon.
-people will be scared of zirilan and rightly so, the cost being 5 is crippling so make sure you run loads of protection.
-you have to use your damage as removal, some threats can't be answered in mono red so you have to choose your targets wisely, enchantress, lifegain and control decks are your biggest threats, go HARD on them, artifact decks and creature decks are less worrying because your deck is full of silver bullets that beat them easily
-dragon mage is a wheel effect on demand, great piece of tech for keeping you gassed up
-I really like kiki jiki and similar cards in this deck, making hasty clones is a great way to beat down faster and double your dragon utility
-moltensteel dragon is a great secret weapon of last resort, you can pay loads of life to firebreath and steal a win
-zirilans ability is instant speed so you can do things like keep him untapped to be prepared for board wipes or to kill a creature with a damage dealing dragon, you don't always have to be aggressive
-warstorm surge is a huge bomb in this deck, terror of the peaks as well, I also like where ancients tread
-safe haven is a nice secret tech land to save your dragons from exile, its a bit slow though
Wow the Zirilian legend is cool! Never seen him before. He’s definitely less underwhelming than he is underrated.
I bought Zirilian as a deck off of a friend when he was selling out of Magic. I've tweaked it a little since then but it's still essentially the same. It runs goblins as a back up plan that can also fuel the mana requirement(s) for the dragons if Zirilian is too expensive or is constantly targeted
I have recently decided to build decks with all of the patrons, and patron of the orochi is the one that made me want to do it. My first commander deck was u/g snake tribal and it was one of my first cards, and since that deck is not similar to
I built the deck as a big mana deck with tribal elements. Shamans and snakes are both supported, and changelings fit perfectly for both. The wincon is just extreme mana production with mana doublers and mana sinks to use on each players turn.
Would really like to see the rest of the cycle of patrons built on this channel, now that you have talked about this one and already have built the white one.
This is an absolutely INSANE series. I've been recommending you to everyone I know in the EDH world. You have some great ideas and there's so many fun things to play with in here that I'm going to be set for months brewing new ideas. I really like how you balance making suggestions for themes and cards without giving the viewer a whole list. Lots of room to make it your own.
My zirilan deck is loads of fun. I like building it with conjuerers closet and rings of Brighthearth etc. To double up tutors and ways to keep the tokens. Theres actually quite a bit of nuance to know when you tutor the dragon or hardcast
I was messing around with the idea of having Quintorius be a secret commander for a Rienne deck, thought being that since she's gets you back multicolored cards when they die, you could sac some of them off during other player's turns and get them back, which in turn gives you a spirit. Might be playing a bit of Magical Christmas Land, but the synergy seems too fun to pass up.
I've been playing a 70$ budget version of Quintorious from a decklist I got from Cut-rate commander and been loving the flavor.
Yeah, Zirilan is fun to play. You forgot to mention Cold Storage, which is another neat way to get around the exile bit.
I am surprised to see Zirilian here. My friend has a nasty Zirilian build and we treat him as a kill on site commander. The amount of insane ETBs that dragons have is a lot higher than people think.
My Zirilan deck is a kill on sight deck in my play group too. 😂
I do love the Offering mechanic. Emerge was a kind of pseudo-Offering but part of the fun was the requirements of the strange creature types (apart from Goblin Offering but Akki was a bit disappointing anyway). Hopefully we see it again in the next Kamigawa.
I feel like faithless looting would be a perfect fit in quintorius. You can discard stuff to recur and then flash it back to get more value from a card leaving the grave.
Doesn't Flashback cards work as well?
Flashback, disturb and recasting from grave is the way forward with Quintorius
Quintorius is alot of fun. Graveyard red white is something that is different and fun.
Love what they did with Lorehold. Best take on RW they've done in a long time
Yeah. I built a Lorehold standard deck with only cards from Strixhaven and I adore it. One of the most fun decks I've ever built
I used that world-gorger with the Viashino to protect myself against my own worldfire. :)
Noice 👌
I LOVE Quintorious. I built a Lorehold standard deck (with only cards from Strixhaven), and it's the most fun I've ever had in Boros
I don't have time for the full video, but I just popped in because I saw my boy Quintorious. He's actually a fucking beast for a Boros commander and I'm glad he's getting coverage
Zirilan is the red deck that completes my mono coloured deck cycle. He's been a favourite of mine for a couple years now and is great for some janky infinite dragon combos. Or just cast apocalyspe and then tutor worldgorger to abosutely slap peeps.
I am currently in the process of building Zirilian, video couldn't have come at a better time. Thanks demo, 😊 I too have been gravitating towards more mono color decks. The restrictions within the color pie should be embraced!
I discovered Zirilan as I was building Magda as a dragon commander. He's super cool and can win pretty quickly if you push him. I've seen a lot of really creative builds around him.
I've been considering building Quintorious as a Phoenix Tribal commander...
Super cool to see a bunch of the elements of my Deck Doctor submission for Zirilan in the video. Cheers!
happy coincidence.
Zirilan is one of my most powerful decks. Lots of ramp and the right dragons can really mess up your opponents.
The best part about him is you can fetch a dragon on the end step before your turn, so it'll stick around until your turn. That way you can get 2 dragons on one turn if you "save up". Get Dragon Tyrant and Scourge of the Throne for 2 combats with a 6/6 Flample, Double Strike firebreather (36 damage without the firebreathing if you send it at the player with the highest life total).
Not underwhelming, more like underrated.
I don't know why, but listening Quintorius is giving me a different idea. I sort of like the idea of a Mardu "recursion" partners with Tormod as one of the leaders, and Quintorius in the 99 as a backup commander. Don't know how good it would be, but it sounds fun.
my glissa deck is built around this idea, recycling stuff and abusing it with tormod and other stuff
i feel like Quintorius would go nicely with some of the disturb cards from midnight hunt, since they remove themself from the grave to give you a spirit
These are actually three of my favorite commanders.
Cathar Commando from the new set seems rly sweet in the Quintorius deck as well
All of these make me so happy
Wow great job I really wanna build those last two
When you escape a card with Quintorius out, you actually get 2 spirits, 1 for escape cost and 1 for the card you're casting leaving the graveyard
Good to see Zirilan getting some love!!
Devouring Rage is very interesting card I saw recently for a red spirits deck
From the creator of "Say-guh"
Here comes:
"Patron of the O-raw-key" (I always pronouce Oh-Roh-Shi)
Jokes aside, really fun decks. I was trying to figure out an interesting mono-green commander and this might be it. Good job! :)
I have been waiting forbpatron of the orchi for so long
I would recommend Ranger-Captain of Eos instead of Ranger of Eos in Quintorius. It has the same tutor effect, except it only gets one creature, BUT it is also a 3 drop AND can sac itself to silence your opponents. I think it’s a slam-dunk in this deck
I built a Quintorius deck and can honestly say it's one of my favorite decks now. I built it more of a flashback spells deck.
In Patron of the Orochi, orochi would pronounce like [orotʃi]. That *chi* reads like *ch* in chest.
☆weaboo spotted☆
@@shrdn2960 *anime music intensifies*
Dude, you are freaking brilliant.
"tokens with no mana cost"
You: you can exile for 4 and sac to save 6 mana!
*You can sac to save 6 mana and then exile for 4
I’m (probably) making a Quintorious Cleric Tribal deck. Similar to this
12:29 Also flameshadow conjuring as well
My friend made a Quintorious deck and it was actually insanely good.
honestly i’m kinda excited for the dragon deck
I do the worldgorger thing in my Magda deck, its pretty neat
Bishop of rebirth would be good in your Quintorius deck. ☺
I've just found a new love in zirilan
Just Quintorius deck and its actually rather fun once it gets going. Just protect you elephant general. If i learnt owt. Keep him safe.
Dude really what was that pronunciation 0:23? Orochimaru XD
Could you do Reya Dawnbringer?
Well that's a new way of pronouncing Orochi
apparently it's Canadian LOL
I made a Quintorius deck recently. I made it a flashback-themed deck.
So u can actually get infinite mana with worldgorger dragon and molten echoes. U can have the copy exile the original worldgorger, then go back and forth as many times as u want until u have molten echoes re-enter naming something other than dragons to end the loop
I’ve been running this combo in my Zirilan deck for a while. It’s always fun when I get to pull it off, fun for me because my opponents are most definitely dead every time I pull it off.
@@eldritchthangalang8800 I'm so glad someone else has a dedicated zirilian deck and knows this combo. He's my baby lol, we should share lists!
Zirilan is my favorite commander
Speaking of underwhelming commanders; I brewed a deck with Zalto, Fire Giant Duke last week. I could not really get it to go off like I wanted unfortunately.
Ah yes, Steelkite Tyrant. My favorite.
Sometime, could you add Lorthos, the Tidemaker as an option to vote on for a poll?
HA! you thought we voted Quintorius for the #1 place cause' he's new?! FOOLISHNESS!
We chose him cause' he's a Cleric Elephant, a CLERIPHANT, if you will!
But you know what? Some shenanigans with flashback, reanimation, Desecrated Tombs and recursion doesn't seem half-bad and i kinda like "color-pie breaking" commanders.
All this stuff combined certainly makes this elephant a notorious one, like "Quintorius E", if you will!
Saryth in najeela is a monster.
Question. Am I correct in thinking that feldon's cane and elixir of immortality would make a ton of spirits by putting my entire graveyard into my library with Quintorius?
My patron of the orochi deck is a mono green control deck, it untaps itself, so lots of instants(:
also no need to include creatures that untap your commander, since you can only do it once per turn
Crashing Drawbridge is very good in Orochi.
Patron of the orochi would be kinda crazy with elf mana dorks
Hey there, have been following you since the start of the channel and really enjoyed the ride. What do you think about a Esper Lands Matter Deck with Dakkon Blackblade as the Commander?
sort of covered dakkon already: ruclips.net/video/IhIkwAVahyw/видео.html
@@edhdeckbuilding thanks man, i did miss that one
The only one of these thats underwhelming is the green one, and only a little bit
Patron of orochi with saryth is actually going infinite
Soul sisters would be great for the quintorius deck
Hey demo, what happened with your video from yesterday? I received the notice about the rules changed video, i didnt watch it, and i saw after a moment that i wasn't there anymore :(
Continue your good job man, i love your channel, i'm here since the beginning :)
Does Orochi not untap himself? That would make more sense if you can only do it once a turn
Seems like he does! Good Catch!
You mention Saryth is good because it untaps our commander did you mean just so we can bring our commander into combat? If I'm not mistaken Patron untaps itself with its own ability.
it does yes. and i did mean that. also untaps other creatures you want untapped.
My z claw deck was my first and still most powerful , drop the hellkite tyrant turn 2 or 3 and steal someone else's early mana rock, its nasty af
is it just me or is the poll link not working?
Zirilan is very strong. I don't get why it's underwhelming. Underplayed is more like it.
@@bradcallahan3546 thanks for this constructive comment, Chad Thundercock.
Hi Demo.
I have to disagree with you for the first time. I pilot a Patron deck and while it's definitely not the most powerful deck I run, it's certainly not underwhelming; the amount of mana you produce is ridiculous with Patron on board.
To offer a small critique. The snake tribal element is a trap. You are far better ramping into Patron (I usually get it out turn 3-5) than running snakes that otherwise literally do nothing in the deck.
Once Patron is on line and functioning, then I direct the massive amount of mana into mana sinks and start either throwing down the couple of Eldrazi I have in the deck...but more importantly the x spells (Finale of Devastation and G-Wave for example) and the tokens through the mana sinks.
Yes, it's vulnerable to boards wipes, but the amount of creatures and tokens you can generate in such a small time usually enables me to rebuild VERY quickly.
Thanks as ever though for the vids. Really interested in the Zirilian deck, sound an absolute blast to play! Another one of your great series mate!
"fantastic"
My Zirilan Of the Claw deck gets hated on every time I play it now lol. It is not a underwhelming or hard to brew around card at all. The number of times I’ve turn one gone mountain sol ring lotus petal seething song Zirilan into a turn two Tel-Jilad Stylus plus activation for Drakuseth is kind of insane actually. The deck is terrifying to play against according to my play group because it is incredibly fast and they never know what scary dragon I’m going to tutor for.
Huh? People think Quintorius is underwhelming?
it isn't really. that's why i tried to do a more unique theme.
@@edhdeckbuilding i think cycling could be a very interesting theme for Quintorious tbh. It fills up your grave with stuff to get rid of while maintaining card advantage, plus a lot of cycling synergy involves recurring cards with cycling abilities
Demo, why you be deleting videos? I wanna watch the “lands you should be putting in your white decks”
huh? deleting videos? my white lands video hasn't been released yet.
@@edhdeckbuilding oh I am a new subscriber, when I went to your playlist for those vids it says one of them is hidden. I guess I just assumed. Also the video before this one about rule changes, I only got to watch half of it. When I came back to enjoy the rest, it was gone!
that's funny. yeah i'm moving right now, so i uploaded like 7 videos in advance. the white lands video comes out next week.
@@edhdeckbuilding exciting stuff! Can’t wait. Keep having fun man.
O-Rocky lol
For me, having a commander that's a tutor on a stick, just gets very repetitive very fast.
It’s *patron of the “OR-O-CHEE.”* love your vids, but you pronounce a lot of stuff wrong 😂