@@monderzorgani8897 Fam no disrespect but stop tryna claim Kazuya as a struggle character he's never been bad ever in any tekken game he's a meta character the game was basically created around his move set starting from tekken 1 till now. strong mids strong lows good launchers lots of plus moves good strings and EWGF!
I love how every Lee player is so happy about the heat burst changes for ws2,3, but completely disregard that he got hella nerfed to compensate for a buff that shouldn't ever be labeled as a buff, it was 100% a bug since launch and they masked it as a buff to justify all the bullshit nerfs they gave him. In the same patch they buff characters like King. These devs are a fucking joke.
it's like as if you ordered from the restaurant and got the wrong order, then they fixed it, but also stole stuff from your house (some of which you had for 20 years)
facts it makes no fucking since sense Kaz, paul, and worst of all steve, and bryan why? all these characters are already good AF They've been really bad at dealing with these characters in this game.
If they just made that new powercrush into a mid I'd be satisfied. Cuz its the same input so it would just be considered that old powercrush with a new animation. Especially if they give it the same properties. 🥲
Lee just straight up got nerfed, all the so called "buffs" are just issues that needed fixing. They knew the heat system was getting nerfed but calling these patches buffs in the notes is BS
i think we’ll still be able to win, the ws2,3 bugfix is huge but it’s a lot harder to pull off a win now considering how much other characters got buffed
Seems like they kinda want Lee to be alright at getting to apply a light poke mix but dont want him to be able to keep applying the same pressure easily. I guess because of b33 they didnt want df1 to be able to beat jabs and therefore cover more options than the average fast mid check? Idk why they changed it now then and not like during early development but alright...maybe they really do listen to TMM for balancing ideas hahaha he was just whining about b33 mix from Lee players.
Which is crazy since b33 isn't even a "mix". It's pressure is so goddamn fake that you can just low-jab after getting hit by b33 and stuff literally everything Lee can do afterwards other than block. If you see b33 coming then you can literally get a full combo off of him also. I don't get the TMM whining at all
@@a130inthesky to be fair i think he wasn't whining about b33 but about lee players getting lazy due to that and other moves while before they used 200 iq to win
@@a130inthesky tbf, b33f is true plus frames, you just can't loop b33f into itself, those specific frames are fake. Everything you do after other than itself, you are fully taking advantage of the +4 you get. Next time you play, do b33f into low-jab or standing jab and you will counter hit them with df4,4 or any that is i13 or faster and trade with i14 moves.
@@a130inthesky because this man is a toxic twat. gigasthiccas mocked his bryan with gigas in tekken 7 and he constantly whined about gigas not being R E A L tekken character, 7 years after t7 release
Fixed ws23 but lost key tracking, pressuring, and keep out tools it seems. Tracking was already worse than it was in early t7 imo. Smh. Meanwhile king’s a mishima now 😂
I just don't get what the deal is with King in T8. Did a furry become balancing executive? Does Lil Majin hold Harada's family in his basement?? Come on
I was waiting for Lee ws2,3 into heat to get fixed before my GoD run and done the run and got it last night. I noticed all those heat nerfs and df1 . Tracking is so annoying and his heatdash starters aren’t easy whiff punishes also. I wish he had a fast mid tracking move, 1+2 is sluggish and can get interrupted and his other tracking moves are highs
Can still win with lee, it'll be harder than before but he's by no means a bad character now, and losing that much damage from a i13 punish is fair as it was far too much. Lee is fine.
@@xravenx24fe I’m not a kazuya main but I have started to play him near the end of tekken 7 and trust me he was not fine until this patch was released. I’m not even talking about whether he was a powerful character or not , they really messed up his combo routes and took away from player expression , and tbf that’s the issue most kazuya mains had. He should’ve been nerfed after the cnt but not like that. Me personally I could care less if a character is powerful but I like it when a character allows you to be creative and express yourself a lil, especially in combos.
We just lost some 10 damage from those but we can still pack a punch. moves to heat dash - ub3 or db3+4 is consistent. Will prolly try Blazing Kick as you recommended. Also, have you tried his bread and butter wall combos? I feel it must be precise this time .
@@IzNebula i meant the standing df44_44:4_b3+4 heat dash to blazing kick_hms u4. Because they can now tech roll - only ub3_db3+4 are the fastest ones we can use as guaranteed follow ups
@@violetmistplays Ik, we used to be able to do 65-68 damage before when HMS uf4 hit them grounded with a follow-up ub3/blazing kick. We do now 45-48 damage, depending on whether you do ub3 or blazing kick. So that effectively nerfed the damage potential by 20 damage.
With the system mechanics changes isn't lee inherently buffed since he's a character based around movement and homing throws massively limited his pressure game? Same with heat bursy
they only needed to change victor's and azucena's high power crush because you can't even jab those a lot of the time. and lee already struggles at breaking turtles so the opportunies he does get should be rewarding with heat dash. so unnecessary to nerf that
@@lpvgs-817 he kinda sucked in 7 too, if your opponent had good defense and could react well to slide, you were like an ant fighting a god. Especially against noctis, akuma, kunimitsu,etc. playing lee was a joke
Damn GM they must not want you to enjoy this game at all. You already felt the game was boring, but now this just killed any joy you cam get from the game. This is why i hate modern fighting games, always just patching sruff at random and cant five you a complete product at release
I barely ever used raw heat burst outside of combo, so I don't really care about that. I'm sad about the heat dash >HMS u4, because it was cool, strong, and fun to use, and worked really well with parry df4,4 (I'm not gonna say I invented that, but I never saw anybody else use it). WS2,3 > heat burst being consistent is super strong, you duck a high twice (or even once), and you kill them, but it was basically a bug that it whiffed, honestly. Call me an eLeetist, but even if this makes him stronger overall, I'd rather have the old heat stuff back. I didn't play enough of the new patch yet, but I hope at least other characters lost as much from heat dash, so the system nerf didn't just hit us.
EXACTLY! No one wants to lab and just play so this is why fgc won't be getting any bigger than it is now. I'd say the scene is smaller than 10 years ago with the exception of majors
Who thought that was a good idea? We were already fighting uphill battles. Now they expecting us to climb mount everest in every fight? Nah. This is no fun.
@@ShyTheRula I think he might have meant you can now high interrupt HM4. I haven't tested it yet myself since I barely use HM4 I just default to B3 from Hitman.
Lee for me is a low tier character, it's even harder than before to win. Now even more than before we are absolutely not rewarded given the difficulty of the character. The new defense mechanics don't suit me, I'm a very offensive Lee player.
In a way, we Lee mains are used to struggle, so i feel like we're back to working harder. Buckle up guys !
We kazuya mains struggled too so I understand how difficult it is but never lose hope
@@monderzorgani8897😂
@@monderzorgani8897 Fam no disrespect but stop tryna claim Kazuya as a struggle character he's never been bad ever in any tekken game he's a meta character the game was basically created around his move set starting from tekken 1 till now. strong mids strong lows good launchers lots of plus moves good strings and EWGF!
Marvelous!
I've been struggling for 20 years man, I want him to be strong and tournement viable for once, is that too much to ask for?
I love how every Lee player is so happy about the heat burst changes for ws2,3, but completely disregard that he got hella nerfed to compensate for a buff that shouldn't ever be labeled as a buff, it was 100% a bug since launch and they masked it as a buff to justify all the bullshit nerfs they gave him. In the same patch they buff characters like King. These devs are a fucking joke.
it's like as if you ordered from the restaurant and got the wrong order, then they fixed it, but also stole stuff from your house (some of which you had for 20 years)
everyone just blindly gas their character up to get clicks
facts it makes no fucking since sense Kaz, paul, and worst of all steve, and bryan why? all these characters are already good AF They've been really bad at dealing with these characters in this game.
Again I am asking bandai namco to let gloves be a separate customization slot
dev probably got bodied by lee and this is the payback
Lol
The Devs infinite beef with Lee is pretty insane
But I'm always gonna be a Lee main it is what it is
Idk why they got rid of Lee’s mid armor crush from tekken 7
Should of never changed in opinion
Lee can never have it easy in Tekken.
cause they wanted to get rid of wall bounce
@@yamiafk they could just remove the wall bounce trait, that's not the reason. The move didn't have the wall bounce before wall bounces were added
If they just made that new powercrush into a mid I'd be satisfied. Cuz its the same input so it would just be considered that old powercrush with a new animation. Especially if they give it the same properties. 🥲
Lee just straight up got nerfed, all the so called "buffs" are just issues that needed fixing. They knew the heat system was getting nerfed but calling these patches buffs in the notes is BS
This and his df1 nerf made me so sad, i miss old Lee 😢
whats his df1 nerf?
@@shitshow575 no more high crush
Yeah that hurt my soul
i think we’ll still be able to win, the ws2,3 bugfix is huge but it’s a lot harder to pull off a win now considering how much other characters got buffed
Seems like they kinda want Lee to be alright at getting to apply a light poke mix but dont want him to be able to keep applying the same pressure easily. I guess because of b33 they didnt want df1 to be able to beat jabs and therefore cover more options than the average fast mid check?
Idk why they changed it now then and not like during early development but alright...maybe they really do listen to TMM for balancing ideas hahaha he was just whining about b33 mix from Lee players.
Which is crazy since b33 isn't even a "mix". It's pressure is so goddamn fake that you can just low-jab after getting hit by b33 and stuff literally everything Lee can do afterwards other than block. If you see b33 coming then you can literally get a full combo off of him also. I don't get the TMM whining at all
@@a130inthesky to be fair i think he wasn't whining about b33 but about lee players getting lazy due to that and other moves while before they used 200 iq to win
@@a130inthesky tbf, b33f is true plus frames, you just can't loop b33f into itself, those specific frames are fake. Everything you do after other than itself, you are fully taking advantage of the +4 you get. Next time you play, do b33f into low-jab or standing jab and you will counter hit them with df4,4 or any that is i13 or faster and trade with i14 moves.
@@a130inthesky because this man is a toxic twat. gigasthiccas mocked his bryan with gigas in tekken 7 and he constantly whined about gigas not being R E A L tekken character, 7 years after t7 release
Fixed ws23 but lost key tracking, pressuring, and keep out tools it seems. Tracking was already worse than it was in early t7 imo. Smh. Meanwhile king’s a mishima now 😂
I just don't get what the deal is with King in T8. Did a furry become balancing executive? Does Lil Majin hold Harada's family in his basement?? Come on
This proves that Lee is just made to be low tier, like Q in street fighter. Us Lee mains were born to suffer
I was waiting for Lee ws2,3 into heat to get fixed before my GoD run and done the run and got it last night. I noticed all those heat nerfs and df1 . Tracking is so annoying and his heatdash starters aren’t easy whiff punishes also. I wish he had a fast mid tracking move, 1+2 is sluggish and can get interrupted and his other tracking moves are highs
Can still win with lee, it'll be harder than before but he's by no means a bad character now, and losing that much damage from a i13 punish is fair as it was far too much. Lee is fine.
this should be pinned
just got into Lee to i been in the lab for weeks still gon play tho
Lee mains gotta learn from kaz mains, cry and yap till you get buffs
Goddamn they killed out boi
They didn't cried they straight up bullied the developers lol
@@chroma6847kaz did deserve some buffs tho , he was depressing to play before this patch
@@praisemidir
do not compare us Kaz mains to Hoerang mains
@disco_slav_98 He was fine Mishima players are just drama queens that larp as men lol
@@xravenx24fe I’m not a kazuya main but I have started to play him near the end of tekken 7 and trust me he was not fine until this patch was released. I’m not even talking about whether he was a powerful character or not , they really messed up his combo routes and took away from player expression , and tbf that’s the issue most kazuya mains had. He should’ve been nerfed after the cnt but not like that. Me personally I could care less if a character is powerful but I like it when a character allows you to be creative and express yourself a lil, especially in combos.
We just lost some 10 damage from those but we can still pack a punch.
moves to heat dash - ub3 or db3+4 is consistent. Will prolly try Blazing Kick as you recommended.
Also, have you tried his bread and butter wall combos? I feel it must be precise this time .
It wasn't some 10 damage, it was 20 damage, we used to get 65-68 damage off heat dash.
@@IzNebula i meant the standing df44_44:4_b3+4 heat dash to blazing kick_hms u4. Because they can now tech roll - only ub3_db3+4 are the fastest ones we can use as guaranteed follow ups
@@violetmistplays Ik, we used to be able to do 65-68 damage before when HMS uf4 hit them grounded with a follow-up ub3/blazing kick. We do now 45-48 damage, depending on whether you do ub3 or blazing kick. So that effectively nerfed the damage potential by 20 damage.
@@IzNebula ty for the clarification 💯
Tbh I prefer being able to punish my opponent with 4,4:4 into u4 than getting the guaranteed 3,4
soooo... why does Pauls df2 avoid highs still then?
lee's df2 high crushes too
Was anyone really complaining about Lee?
With the system mechanics changes isn't lee inherently buffed since he's a character based around movement and homing throws massively limited his pressure game? Same with heat bursy
they only needed to change victor's and azucena's high power crush because you can't even jab those a lot of the time. and lee already struggles at breaking turtles so the opportunies he does get should be rewarding with heat dash. so unnecessary to nerf that
Oh man, no love for Lee 😭
never is he was strongest in T4,5, and 7 but he will fade to the back ground in this game I have a bad feeling
@@lpvgs-817 He was not as strong in T7 as he was in T4, T5, and T6.
@@lpvgs-817 he kinda sucked in 7 too, if your opponent had good defense and could react well to slide, you were like an ant fighting a god. Especially against noctis, akuma, kunimitsu,etc. playing lee was a joke
Damn GM they must not want you to enjoy this game at all. You already felt the game was boring, but now this just killed any joy you cam get from the game.
This is why i hate modern fighting games, always just patching sruff at random and cant five you a complete product at release
I barely ever used raw heat burst outside of combo, so I don't really care about that. I'm sad about the heat dash >HMS u4, because it was cool, strong, and fun to use, and worked really well with parry df4,4 (I'm not gonna say I invented that, but I never saw anybody else use it).
WS2,3 > heat burst being consistent is super strong, you duck a high twice (or even once), and you kill them, but it was basically a bug that it whiffed, honestly. Call me an eLeetist, but even if this makes him stronger overall, I'd rather have the old heat stuff back. I didn't play enough of the new patch yet, but I hope at least other characters lost as much from heat dash, so the system nerf didn't just hit us.
the d3 barely ever tracked, I barely feel a difference while playing
Man Lee is way to strong now with the ws2,3 "buff". They need to buff king (again) next patch.
Balance patches based on fools not wanting to learn the match ups don't sound like balancing to me
EXACTLY!
No one wants to lab and just play so this is why fgc won't be getting any bigger than it is now.
I'd say the scene is smaller than 10 years ago with the exception of majors
They took away the only good thing lee had in heat
After the patch it has been harder to win yes, I’m just a Shinryu Lee but it seems the patch did more harm than good to Lee.
Lee always get the bad end
That sucks.
he wasn't dead before?
They made him so weak this patch 🤦🏿
HM 4 doesn’t high crush anymore either so u can mid check it . Df1 doesn’t mid check as good anymore also . He most definitely got nerfed bad.
Who thought that was a good idea? We were already fighting uphill battles. Now they expecting us to climb mount everest in every fight? Nah. This is no fun.
@@Perry_Talion exactly, I think I might just give on tekken after this
You could always mid check HMS 4 my guy it should crush high attempts
@@ShyTheRula I think he might have meant you can now high interrupt HM4. I haven't tested it yet myself since I barely use HM4 I just default to B3 from Hitman.
@@lostdreamer50was he your main?
Notice how GM always got some jobber/midcard wrestler name on his profile 😂 Val Venis, Mark Jindrak! Gotta do Steve Blackman next
Them wrestlers godlike
And I just picked him up🤦♂️
Hwoarang mains welcome you with open arms, welcome to nerf hell brother, we lost to the noobs of reddit
Well tbh those mini heat dash combo aren’t that strong for losing all heat bar anyways, traded with more consistant ws2,3 is pretty solid I guess.
Dude they did like half life lmao and made it very scary to do unsafe stuff on lee during heat
@@fightinggmu mean those heat dashes used to get full combo afterwards? Or just lost some of the mini guaranteed hit.
Lee for me is a low tier character, it's even harder than before to win. Now even more than before we are absolutely not rewarded given the difficulty of the character. The new defense mechanics don't suit me, I'm a very offensive Lee player.
As lee player myself what's your rank?
@@kenanisrael9323 Fujin
@@kenanisrael9323 I'm Fujin and you ??
@@CatNabs74 mighy ruler with lee garyu with raven
@@kenanisrael9323 You play on pc or ps5 ?
Are there not new routes?
CH 4,4~4 --> HS
You can do b2 > ws1,2 > ws1,2 > b2 > Heat Burst from some combo routes now, like B4, d3 (no hitman) and some others.
lol he’s fine
cry more
Nerf him more it is too easy.
Like I said he was busted now. Let's play some Tekken 👏👏