Perfect throw gets runner out but umpires overturn call, a breakdown
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Gotta respect the catcher for keeping his cool while his coach was going off at the umpires.
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My favorite thing is the inconsistent rules. At 1st the runner has to run to the side of the baseline but at home the catcher can't even catch the ball if it's thrown right there
@@kylerittenhouse6521 bro what is that 😭
Catcher should be thankful the rules are the way they are. Thats what protects them from being run over, so in exchange you have to give the runner a path to the base unless you have the ball/or are fielding the ball. He never gave him a path so thats why i feel he was not “in the act of fielding “ a ball that took him into that lane that he had given the runner. He was there blocking the path all along.
Isn't it the managers job to chew out the umpire and get thrown out so the players don't?
"The rules don't matter, note 6 bitch."
I would have loved if the umpire actually said this
I wonder what the coach had highlighted because it clearly wasnt note 6
that sent me, holy shit. this is a perfect joke for a baseball movie!!!
😂😂😂
rule 6 is a rule.
Lmfao
LMFAO the guy doing windmill arms in celebration after the walkoff was the same catcher that got fucked over by the overturned call. A happy ending after all
Was just going to comment the same thing. Love it
I'm pretty sure that was the catcher also.
No the catcher was 52
@@jacewidner4002 Yeah Jomboy said 22, I hear it now. He misspoke though bc it was clearly 52 doing windmills
"Note 6, bitch."
I need to find a reason to use this at my job somehow.
"Sacamano, did you leave an upper decker in my private bathroom again?" "Note 6, bitch."
"....Bob you're fired"
"You can't fire me, note 6, bitch"
Let’s goooo! Can’t wait for these ALL SEASON LONG!!!!
Missed calls or breakdowns? Well, either way you won't be disappointed.
@@alanberickson haha. So true. So true
You said it sister
@@alanberickson both, homie
Yup, jomboy videos account for the majority of my baseball highlight viewing.
That's insane. The rule is clearly defined and then the last part just says..."or ya know whatever". hahahah how can they take themselves seriously with a rule like that???
The baseball rulebook is a total mess, innit?
That’s not what the rule says lol. It’s just telling the umps to use the parameters previously stated and apply it with their best judgement. Yknow kinda like every rule in sports basically
@@flyingchimp12 In that case, I wonder why they chose to include that qualification at all?? Clearly, your opinion is in the minority here but that doesn't mean you're wrong. If that's the case for "every rule in sports", why include it? The umpires clearly got it wrong here and I think the fact the rules were so clear and they still got it wrong is why a lot of people find this funny.
I think the rule should have something about how far the ball should be from the fielder, whether it be in time increments or actual distance, for receiving the ball
@@jacobduperon472 idk maybe so the umpires have a frame of reference to base their judgement on? Sorry if that makes too much sense to you
"Look at the arms on 22! That guy's having fun!" That killed me.
Actually number 52, the catcher that got overruled!
And it's actually the catcher that blocked the plate
Looks like a combination of Baker Mayfield and Pat Mahomes.
@@jimyeats I was just gonna say- it looks like a baker celebration
@@jbirddougie470 its a saquon cely
As a former catcher, I would be livid. I was always told as long as I'm actively getting the ball I can do whatever the hell I want
It feels like they change obstruction rules every year.
He was there way before the throw was made which means he established his position obstructing the runner prior to the throw. The act of fielding the throw did not take him to that point. He established that position and the fielder threw the ball to that spot.
@@Stryyder1 .....Exactly !!!
@@Stryyder1 I can’t find video that shows the catcher’s position at the time of the throw. If the umps have the same footage then the call stands- its inconclusive- its an out. If there’s proof that he was setup at or before the time of the throw then I agree with you- but I see no definitive proof. Ultimately the ball don’t lie.
@@Stryyder1 so now you can stand over the plate before you know where the throw is going? as a fast, heavy, runner I would have trucked yall, regardless of the rules on collisions because if the catcher is over the plate before the he makes a move on the ball, I have no other choice. Happened a million times to me growing up.
The catcher was in such a perfect spot, he didn't even move his mitt an inch. The ball was thrown perfectly and the catcher was making a legitimate effort to catch the throw. And the manager was right, it was bang-bang. The catcher caught the ball as the runner slid by (under) him. I can't believe they even reviewed it, let alone overturn it. It was bullcrap.
If you would call that a slide! A little pathetic I think. I was expecting the train to be coming through but I guess the big bot took the high road?!
He is 100% blocking the plate he cant do that unless he has the ball. Otherwise let the runners smash through catchers again and risk them getting hurt which is why this rule exists bc catchers are pussys and couldnt handle people decking them
Wow I pray you are never let anywhere near an umpiring/coaching position. If you think the “perfect spot” to receive a throw is right in the baseline where the runner needs to slide, then please stay away from the game.
@@ripmybrain9959 LOL you obviously never played the game let alone the position. So I am going to assume your comment is out of ignorance. THAT SAID, did you even listen to Jomboy reading the rule? The catcher is in the act of fielding the ball. He need not to get out of the way of the runner. That was true under the old and the new rules. If he was in the way of the runner and had to contort his body to catch the ball, that would've been another story. The problem here is that this is not a reviewable play as it is left to the subjective appreciation of the ump. Jomboy made that point also very clear. It is a subjective rule.
Lastly, I never said that the "perfect spot" is right in the baseline. You jumped to that conclusion. The "perfect spot" is right in the pathway of the throw. If you would've read properly you would've noticed that I specified that the catcher didn't have to move the mitt an inch. So, he was perfectly lined up with the throw that happened to be right in the baseline of the runner; hence Jomboy making the point that it was "the perfect throw". Again, I am going to assume that you never play so you get a pass on that end. Where you don't get a pass is that you completely ignored the commentary made on the video about the throw or the fact that I specified that the perfect spot for the catcher was in a place where he didn't need to move the mitt at all. If you ever played, you know that it is not always easy to predict the pathway of the ball thrown from the outfield because of many factors like how good of a grab the outfielder got on the ball, wind, etc.
@@HectorFontanez played catcher and umpire :) was taught by Kurt Suzuki himself that you can’t block the plate until you have the ball, you can’t block the plate while receiving the ball :) also you said the catcher was in the “perfect spot” while he was standing directly overtop the baseline. Try again😂 you’re trying to sound smart and you aren’t
Gotta do a breakdown of the Red Wings vs Wild brawl last night
At least we won something last night ha.
You missed the "that's such Horse💩" from the catcher at 4:33. Hahaha
I believe we may have a potential missed "Fuckin horseshit" from the catcher at 4:32
Yep. And right before that, you can literally see the coach's southern accent. That's a loooong O in "wrong".
Definitely, I saw it too. And the catcher was right when he said that.
As a former umpire in travel leagues, on first blush, I would have called that safe because of obstruction. However, with replay, the runner was out.
And somehow these guys did the reverse order and still got it wrong.
And the Umpire should not be given police protection, fuck him
I mean if the clause about the discretion of the umpire wasn't in there than that's clear cut a legal out. The fact you were and umpire and think that the call is safe is the same reason these umpires miss obvious calls like this one. He set up, he got him by the runner almost as he caught it, and this isn't the spirit of the rule.
He was camped in the lane. The throw didn't take him into the runners path. The throw just happened to be great for a change. He wasn't in legal position before the act of fielding the ball. Safe by rule.
A perfect highlight for the problem with "umpire's discretion".
It's clear to me that the catcher was planning to block the path (which is common) and if the throw and been to the side a few more inches I think the call could've been correct. The 'throw' was good enough this was a surprising call especially with the initial call of out.
the throw was perfect enough to make it an edge case. The only fair way is for note 6 to read screw it flip a coin.
The rules don't care what the catcher planned to do, only what he actually did. If he was set up and the result of the throw was going to be offline, then sure. But it wasn't, so the catcher was positioned exactly how the rules allow him to be. Overturning the call based on what the catcher was planning to do is wrong.
I'm also surprised by this overturn to safe call, I've only ever seen (at any level, little league to HS to MLB) blocking the plate called if the catcher (or whatever fielder) is just camped out and not really going after the ball.
Intent doesn’t matter in the rule book… but it does matter to umpires and people in general. I’m not defending the eventual safe ruling, but I see why it was made even if wrong in my opinion.
The catcher set up a camping tent in the lane. The runner is safe.
@6:30 "Look at 22, waving his arms. Seems fun!" 😂😂😂
"Note 6, bitch" Official motto of umpires across the nation
This ambiguity should be addressed. There needs to be something more concrete than umpire's judgment. In this day that we have the video review option, and the situation can be looked at objectively and reviewed technically, these judgment calls should be obsolete.
But as it stands the rules are its up to the umpires judgement based on Note 6 so I have no idea why people arguing against the umpires based on "the rules"
Ah yes, baseball should be MORE litigious
Im ok with judgement calls like this. I dont need the sport to be bogged down with lawyer ball like with football
College baseball doesn't have as much usable video for replay as you'd think. Maybe the top 100 teams.
This isn't a question about whether the ball crossed the touchdown line of it the catcher tagged the runner, those have definitive binary answers, yes or no, based on simple criteria, did it touch, did it cross the line.
This is different. Was he making a scoring move? Yeah, almost certainly, but that is open to interpretation. Was the catcher blocking the path? Was the catcher standing in a reasonable spot to catch the ball? Was the ball almost ready to be caught? These are all judgement calls. When you have judgement calls, you need to absolve blame on the refs, their interpretation is law.
Don't get me wrong. They made the wrong call here, each of those criteria come down on the 99%+ conclusive side of judgement, but they are still judgement calls, and the official had a different judgement.
i must admit, i like the current nfhs (high school) baseball rule, which, simply stated, is that the catcher cannot establish a position blocking home plate until he has complete possession of the ball. none of this "anticipating the throw", "in the act of catching the throw", "moving toward the throw". if/when i see a catcher straddling the third baseline before he has possession of the ball, i know there's a 95% chance of obstruction (assuming the throw comes to the plate). of course, this does not give the runner permission to "pete rose" the catcher; and if he does, malicious contact supersedes the obstruction. and accurate knowledge and application of the rules goes a long way for both offense and defense. just sayin'...
By that rule, the catcher would have to let a throw over the plate go by, or try to "ol'e" the throw with his arm out - which happens to be a perfect way of getting his arm broken or RC ripped.
I concur!!! I look for the catcher to leave a sliding land to the plate. What I seen here is the knee coming down before possession. This was legal back in the day, but so was bull dogging!
Pussy ass rules ruining the game for players and spectators alike
So where is the outfielder supposed to throw the ball if the catcher isn’t standing on/in front of the plate?
@@us-Bahn well, if i understand your question correctly, i would assume it's a matter of practice and discipline. the catcher should practice setting up in front of home plate, which is 100% allowed by the rule, and outfielders should practice throwing to the front of home plate, where the catcher is set up. then once the catch has been made, the catcher can legally establish a position blocking the plate, if they so choose, or execute a swipe tag, or whatever other legal method they choose. like any other play in baseball, if it is practiced often enough and well enough, it will become second nature. just watch how well the pros (mlb) have adapted to the rule; a rule, which ironically enough, started in the lower levels of baseball and worked its way UP...
Looks like the windmill runner is the catcher #52, so it all comes full circle.
Jomboy, it is so much fun watching your videos. The breakdowns are great and the lip reading is really awesome, but the best part is that you get a lot of enjoyment out of watching the reactions and emotions of the people in them. You enjoying the guy running at the end is the highlight of this video, just like the ones where you comment on crowd reactions. Excellent!
“Note 6 bitch.” 😆
Jomboy I’ve been going through a lot recently and this video made me have a genuine laugh I know you probably get this a lot but thank you for making my day
6:36 It’s called “The swimmer” all the kids are doing it.
6:30 roasting my man at the end for the way he runs. LMAO. Priceless.
Maybe the act of the catcher posting up in the lane before the other fielder threw the ball towards home plate?
But if the runner isn't "attempting to score" (in his last few steps to home or in the dirt circle) then it doesn't matter where the catcher was standing before the throw.
“Look at those arms! That looks fun!” Best content on RUclips bar none.
This literally calls into question how anyone could be called out at the plate using this umpires rules.
So I don't really have an issue with the overturn here. The catcher didn't move into his position where contact happened because of the throw, he set up there. The new rules state that you cannot set up in the lane, and can only enter the lane w/o the ball if the throw takes you there. He set up there from the beginning.
If it was the other way, it calls into question how any runner could score when the catcher is blocking his lane. I support the overturn.
@@Pythonzzz It used to be that way you know that right, people still scored plenty
@@sneersh9107 probably got injured plenty, too. The only way that can work is if the runner is allowed to plow through the catcher.
@@The_King_Ginger the ball was in the air for nearly 3 seconds, he saw where it was going and he went there, he wouldn't set up somewhere else if the ball is coming right on the baseline, that literally wouldn't make sense. Doesn't the fact that he catches the ball and tags the runner without even moving his mitt in between suggest he was there to catch the throw? - what else do you think that rule could possibly be allowing if not that?
O man, that's so funny! That totally made my day. #22's arms just paddling away. Laughing out loud!!!
My favorite thing about the MLB and players finally reaching a new CBA is that Jomboy will now have new mlb material this season 👍👌
Been subbed for a year. This is the first video I've seen in over 6 months...
Single handedly getting me into college baseball
"Note 6, Bitch!" Would make an amazing Jomboy t-shirt.
Looks like he was standing in the way before he was fielding the throw. From the snapshot you showed, he’s fielding the throw, but before this he was stepping straight towards 3rd base rather than stepping into the lane to field the throw.
The throw doesn't just magically appear on the plate. If you ever catched, you'd see the slot the throw was on and know which way your fielder's throws drift. Would it have mattered if the catcher waited the whole time off to the side and somehow jumped right there to get the throw? The result would be the same. The catcher had to be there to center the throw.
@@ohger1 that's been my thought reading replies in support of the call. if that's the case, the rule sucks and should be changed.
@@ohger1 well yeah I think it does matter. The rule states he can’t be in the path unless fielding the throw. So yes, he should be standing off the path (to the side) until he’s ready to field the throw. He cannot just be blocking the path as the runner round 2nd and 3rd base. He can block the path when he begins to field the throw
@@asdftreeful So make a rule that says that even if the throw is over the plate, the catcher has to "ole'" the ball off to the side....
@@ohger1 no that’s not what I’m saying. He doesn’t have to jump in front of the plate in the nick of time to catch the ball and make the play at the plate. But he does need to not be blocking the path when there’s no play to be made. When he’s allowed to step into the lane to make the play is arbitrary. By rule, it’s when he begins to “field” the ball. To me that means when the ball is in the process of leaving the outfielders hand, the catcher can enter the lane. Its up to the umpire to determine what “fielding” means. But when the catcher is blocking the plate from the moment the ball is hit until he makes the play at the plate, that’s against the current set of rules because we’ve all seen some nasty collisions. From this video, it seems like the catcher was never not blocking the lane.
The catcher with the understated "f**kin' horses**t" at 4:30 is AMAZING.
Did anybody see the replay of the pickoff attempt in College Baseball. The guy was safe at second, the nobody covered third so he was safe at third, then the catcher was going to third so nobody was at home!!! Scored on an attempted pickoff to firstbase!!! With no bad throws!!!
Ole miss alcorn state
There are about 500 reasons I don't watch baseball any more. This is one of them. But I will watch Jomboy.
I was at this game and when they overturned I knew we’d be getting a breakdown
I love one of the "you're so wrong"s that the coach said. You can see the southern accent with the o shape he makes with his mouth at the end.
Baseball at all levels needs to get out of its own way. This was a SPECTACULAR throw and an extremely exciting and fun play. And then these ridiculous rules just completely ruin that moment.
I understand the safety aspect of these rules but you gotta just let these guys play baseball.
The rule should just be: If there's no deliberate attempt to injure, the play stands.
Why is baseball dying?
The rule is fine. You can't block the plate unless you have the ball or in the process of fielding the ball. This interpretation was ridiculous though. The ball was literally coming towards the catcher as he was about to make a play. This is the exact type of play the rule is explicitly allowing, and yes the umps should have just let them play here.
The rule is designed to protect the players. It's not about deliberate attempts to injure people (unlike, say, illegal slides to take out middle infielders), it's about removing a collision where one person is focused on catching a ball and the other guy is running into someone in full protective gear. The point is to lower the number of collisions so that there are fewer injuries.
Once you have the rule you have to enforce it, otherwise catchers will try to get away with blocking the plate, because from a game winning perspective blocking the plate helps save runs- if have a rule you don't enforce whichever team breaks it gets an advantage.
Now, whether you look at this play and say he was trying to field the ball or trying block the plate, that's debatable. I don't often disagree with Jomboy on calls, but if you look at where the catcher set up, he set up blocking the plate, even before it was clear where the throw would come in. He could have set up inside the line and would have been able to take that throw, but to me, what makes me think the umps got it right is two parts- first, you can see the runner pulling up a bit to avoid plowing over the catcher before the catcher even has the ball, and second, you can see the catcher is set up in the base path long before the ball comes into frame. The point of the rule is to get the catcher to get himself into position to field the ball without blocking the path. If he'd done that and the throw had pulled him back into the path I'd agree with the coach.
The rule is actually not the issue. You can be in the lane of the plate if receiving the ball
@@deusvult6920 Because MLB makes it so it's hard for people who can't get to the stadium to watch games without expensive subscriptions? Because MLB isn't funding enough inner city fields where kids can grow up playing the game- growing up playing the game is the most likely route to becoming a fan. Because going to a game is expensive af? Because of anti-trust rules that let MLB block expansion near other teams markets, which artificially allows big market teams to have vast wealth advantages- for instance, if NYC and LA had 3-5 teams each each of the teams would have a smaller market, allowing small market teams to compete and allowing more total teams in the league, so it would be easier to get to games. Because MLB is cutting the number of minor league teams... which is a gateway for a lot of people to watch baseball. Because MLB keeps being obnoxious with their labor negotiations? Because MLB juiced the balls so much that anyone can hit a home run, which in turn has turned everyone into high launch angle-high strike out hitters so there isn't nearly as much going on on the bases? Because they turned a blind eye to steroids and illegal substances on balls? Because the way minor leagues serve as farm teams means that trying to be a fan of minor league baseball means watching your team have a good first half only to have all your good players called up at the all star break and your team tank (maybe split the minor league season into two shorter seasons so you can at least win the pennant for one of the two?)
Or are you talking about revenues... where are skyrocketing and suggest that baseball, while it may be neglecting it's future, is still making more and more money every year?
I love when the team that gets screwed over actually wins
Ball don’t lie
The sporting gods are appeased.
@@thelastmanonearth2631 the coconut gods are smiling on me!
These breakdowns are so good it almost makes me want to watch baseball
I don't even like baseball and these breakdowns are like, "Man, is baseball interesting?" Then I actually watch a live game for a bit and am like, "No. No it is not ."
Almost
Jomboy, you missed a detail- crazy arms running guy IS the catcher in question, #52. Glad I could break down the breakdown ;)
I would like to officially challenge a coach to mention "Jomboy" and/or "Breakdown" while arguing a call like this with an ump this season.
Saying something like, “Oh just wait till your dumbass ends up on a jomboy breakdown about how wrong you are!”
@@stairwayz7872 need to let these umps know Jomboys bout to make em famous
At 4:31, you can see the catcher say "Fuckin' horseshit." 😂
at the beginning with all the 2s, number 22 was up to bat too
“I just watched the whole replay” it just happened and you instantly got pissed no you didn’t 😂
I literally laughed so hard at "your wrong, note 6 bitch"
I get the whole blocking bases and the plate ruling to avoid injury and concussions. But I never liked the whole aspect of having to protect home as the catcher and having to somehow move so the runner has an easier lan to the plate when they technically have the entire dirt circle to use to avoid the tag at home.
"Is that how he runs? I'm still laughing. I might have to add this to my celebration routine.
He is applying a “Wilson Contreras special”, take advantage of the minimum deflection of the ball towards the runner to block the home plate (isn’t breaking the rules, but is a dirty move)… with that great throw he just need to sweep the runner.
I am soooo happy Baseball is back. I love watching these videos
When you realize the guy that was running funny was the CATCHER
The snapshot is too late imo, the catcher was blocking the plate 2 seconds before the ball got there and the runner would have been safe if he didn't slow down to avoid a collision.
The snapshot occurs precisely when the runner enters the dirt circle. Not 2 seconds prior to that.
But the ball was inflight to the catcher when the runner had just rounded third, so the catcher has the right to stand there.
@@ShadowWizard123 By the time he is in the dirt circle he's sliding to slow himself down bc the catcher was already blocking the plate. He could have easily trucked the catcher and from 0:52 this angle if he did the catcher probably would not be able to hold onto the ball for my money. If the spirit of the rule is to avoid collisions like that then he should be safe, regardless of whether or not I think if the rule is fair or good for baseball.
I also don't know what I'm talking about I'm just a guy on the internet.
Jomboy is literally my favorite RUclipsr 😂😂😂
Number 22 went to the Brett Phillips school of "Baseball is fun."
Top notch breakdown, can’t wait for this season!!
All i can say is the runner had to slide earlier based on the catchers position if the catcher wasnt in the path he could of slide a bit later and because he hadnt yet recieved the ball this resulted in a early slide, now the catcher had to be there to catch that ball so its definantly tricky but i could live with this call i think the umps did the right thing really
The funky run at the end was the catcher!
I laughed so hard when you commented on note 6 . keep up the good work.
The dude running crazy at the end is the catcher from earlier. So yeah, he's pumped.
The real MVP is that Penn Station Sub, HOLY SHIT, that looks amazing!
I watched this a few times, I think overturning the call was correct. The catcher was in a good spot, but stepped up to field the ball when he didn't need to. He could have made the play from where he was standing originally, but he made the choice to step up into the basepath. The reason the runner was safe was because the catcher was not required to be where he was to make the play, and was in fact in a spot to make the play that would not be in the basepath. Watch it again, he was behind the plate, the ball would have been in a great spot for a tag, but then he steps up.
But if he remained further back, would it have been as clear a catch? It perfectly hit his glove on the fly. Further back, he may have had to deal with a bouncing ball, possibly hitting off the runner, which is by no means a sure thing.
@@markp7262 Maybe, but I agree that overturning was the right call. Ball and runner got to the catcher at the exact same time, _after_ the runner was forced to slow down (early) because his path was blocked.
Wrong. As long as the catcher is about to make the play, he can block the plate all day long. That was a terrible call. Dude was out and it shouldn’t even have been questioned
So just like the NFL where you just have to let them catch the ball
I guess you just have to let them score
At the start of this video, the score was 2-2, the count was 2-2, there were 2 outs, 2 runners on, and number 22 was batting
I never get why baseball coaches always go on these long rants that they know will inevitably get them ejected.
They have to fight for their guys, and showing they're willing to get thrown helps there
weird ass outdated code of honor for them
@@SirGaryofOak For team spirit? Surely there are better ways to do that
@@thesmithersy The team appreciates when the manager stands up to say what they are all thinking but can't say because they'll get ejected.
I think it’s to satisfy the players so that they won’t go on a rant and get thrown out themselves.
5:24 These asides just kill me 🤣
jomboy so good he can read lips through a catcher’s mask
Question is what is considered the ball being "near" if the ball was just entering the infield grass and the catcher was blocking the path and the runner was at the beginning of the circle is that not then obstruction? We need a better look at when the catcher got there, when the runner entered the circle and where the ball was.
Edit: Upon closer examination at around the 30 second mark I slowed it down and went frame by frame and the runner had just entered the circle, the catcher was in the runners way, and the ball was still a good 30 feet from the plate. Is 30 feet "near", personally I don't think it is.
How long does it take the ball to move 30 feet?
At 80 mph (the throw is probably faster than that) the ball is traveling 117.32 ft per second so about a quarter second is the length of time from it being too early to set up to the ball being passed him
ok, but what's the end result? The end result was the ball got to the catcher before the runner still. Its a Bang bang play. The runner is out. where do u want the catcher be be to catch the throw? He was where he needed to be to catch it, just so happens it was in the runners lane to the plate. Are we really going to say to outfielders that if they make a perfect throw, it can result In the runner scoring because the throw puts the catcher in the runners path? And really, u think 30 feet isn't close? Like I said, the ball still beat the runner to the catcher/home. So in fact, 30 feet is "near".
Nowhere in the rules does it mention the ball's distance from the plate. That would be ridiculous, it was obvious that the catcher was in a reasonable position to field the ball and that's all that matters.
Any rule set that expects a human being to taken a "mental snapshot" of a bang-bang play in a high speed game and then go through a bunch of 'If X, then Y' like it's a choose your own adventure is just insane.
I don't know about the letter of the rules, but I am from North Carolina and the way these are typically called is that if the catcher makes contact with the runner in the base path before he catches the ball then the runner is safe. Runners must slide and may not knock the catcher out of the way. To allow a catcher to block the plate because the ball is on the way would totally transform the sport because it would mean that as long as an outfielder has let go of the ball and the ball is on target then a player cannot score because the catcher can physically block the plate and it is illegal for the runner to remove him.
Collision Rule
SECTION 7
c.
"Note: A catcher shall not be deemed to have violated the Collision Rule unless he has both blocked the plate without possession of the ball (or when not in a legitimate attempt to field the throw), and also hindered or impeded the progress of the runner attempting to score. A catcher shall not be deemed to have hindered or impeded the progress of the runner if, in the judgment of the umpire, the runner would have been called out notwithstanding the catcher having blocked the plate. In addition, a catcher should use best efforts to avoid unnecessary and forcible contact while tagging a runner attempting to slide. Catchers who routinely make unnecessary and forcible contact with a runner attempting to slide (e.g., by initiating contact using a knee, shin guard, elbow or forearm) may be subject to being ejected."
This was a ridiculously bad call. The catcher was in the act of fielding the throw, he had the ball before the collision, and there was no hindering or impeding of the runner.
Poor judgment by the umpires on a poorly written rule.
I mean you state the rule that clearly states why the runner was eventually ruled SAFE, then say it was a bad call?
"A catcher shall not be deemed to have hindered or impeded the progress of the runner if the runner would have been called out notwithstanding the catcher having blocked the plate"
Had he NOT been blocking the plate, the runner would have been at the plate before the ball even arrived at the catcher. The runner practically had to stop dead in his tracks to avoid railroading the catcher.
So the runner would have NOT been out of the catcher wasn't blocking the base path. So he's safe, as the rule you referenced clearly states.
@@alexdaniel3530 How can you say "the runner would have been at the plate before the ball even arrived at the catcher" when the catcher had the ball before the collision in front of the plate? And no, the runner never hesitated, and went directly into his slide. The catcher was legally where he was in order to field the throw.
The rule is bad and is often misinterpreted.
Ten years ago this would have been considered a great baseball play.
@@alanhess9306 how do I know he would have made it to the plate? Because he had to practically fucking STOP in order to not cream the catcher. If you'd watch the video you'd see that. If you think the runner didn't alter his slide, you either don't know anything about sliding or you're just looking for reasons to rail on umpires. The runner had to start his slide a good 3 feet early because that chump was just chillin in the baseline.
@@alexdaniel3530 You need to watch it again instead of making up your own version of events. The runner never practically stopped, he wasn't impeded at all. If the runner had to slide early because the catcher was in the basepath legally, that's a problem for the runner.
Being an umpire myself, I never rail on umpires. I'm saying the rule is bad and ruins some great baseball plays.
the catcher was already taking a knee and blocking the runners path before the ball was anywhere near him. runner is safe catcher intentionally blocked the runners path.
Conspiracy theory: maybe the catcher wasn't checking his Twitter but was actually watching the trajectory of the throw and got to the spot where the ball ultimately went?
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The runner had to adjust his slide to avoid obliterating the ankles of the catcher, which is what would have happened if the runner had slid as though there were no obstruction. If it's no longer allowed for the runner to take out the catcher in an attempt to score then it can't be okay for catchers to create a situation where that's the only option. The 'rules to increase player safety' mandate is a double edged sword.
The catcher didn't create the situation, the situation was created by where the ball was headed. Just try to imagine if you tell a catcher that they can't ever obstruct a runner for "player safety", every single runner rounding third is going to run full force into home, knowing they've got a high probability of being called safe no matter where the ball is.
@@nichtsistkostenlos6565 wow, so pedantic. A situation occured resulting in the catcher obstructing the runner. How it happened is inconsequential. There are rules in place already preventing the runner from running full force into the catcher, that's my whole point. The runner had to change his slide because the catcher prevented him from getting to home without breaking a catcher safety rule. A few years ago it would have been an out, but a few years ago the runner would have slid full speed, spikes out, into the catchers ankles also. Like I said before, its a doubled edged sword.
Kind of like "offside" in soccer,
-If the ball was ahead of the runner then it's a Out.
-if the ball was behind the runner then the catcher is blocking.
The ball was late there
Agreed. The runner had to alter his entire path/slide because the catcher was completely blocking the line without the ball. You can't just fucking stand there blocking the whole deal waiting on the ball.
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Yeah, the catcher should be on either of the line and not blocking the line without the ball.
-standing on home plate is fine, but he is too far forward there,
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The ball would of hit the runner in the back.
The only reason why the catcher caught the ball was because the runner is forced to slide,
To me, the catcher doesn't have the ball and you can clearly see the runner modifies his slide because he's in the way. Safe all day.
The runner had a bad slide but the catcher blocked the plate
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I think there is more context needed in the video. With the tail end of the play it looks like the catcher is "fielding" the throw at the plate, but the umps may have seen him setup directly in front of the plate setting the " target" of the throw in the path of the plate from the very beginning. If so, that means the catcher was obstructing before ever being in the act of "fielding" the ball.
When they changed the rule where the runner could no longer truck the catcher if they were blocking the plate they now give the benefit of the doubt to the runner if it appears the catcher sets up to early not leaving a path to the plate for the runner.
I think the guy flailing his arms was the catcher 🤣
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Out.
No debate needed. Umpire had it right the first time. We've seen this exact same play in the majors multiple times.
Catcher drops a "f#cking horsesh!t" right after the "you're so wrong" from the coach lol
He didn't say "you're so wrong". He said "It was so close"
I watched this play happen live and I was hoping you'd review it. Nice work, as always!!
What they also probably looked at to decide what to call was, maybe the catcher was already in the baseline, causing the throw to be thrown where he was at. Therefore they overturned the call.
Did anyone else realize that funky arm runner was also the catcher? Hahaha
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How are Jake and Jomboy going to claim to be the premiere baseball source and they haven’t even done an impromptu Talkin Baseball episode today to celebrate our sports return?!
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The umpire now watching this knowing he’s wrong
He didn't say "you're so wrong" he said "you don't know".
There are three major sets of rules: There is OBR (Official Baseball Rules), which is used by professional leagues and many youth leagues with some modifications which make it more suitable for youth-level play. Then there are NFHS (National Federation of High School) rules and NCAA (college) rules. Both OBR and NCAA have a provision that allows a fielder to "obstruct" the runner if the fielder basically has no choice but to position himself there in order to catch the ball. Yet, the fielder is given less latitude if he sets up to obstruct the runner and THEN obstructs the runner - even if the throw is on target. Under high school rules, the catcher cannot hinder a runner without possession of the baseball - period! In high school, there is no provision that allows the fielder to obstruct the runner by claiming, "I had no choice?" or "What else was I supposed to do?" or "I had to move in order to catch the ball!" None of those are excuses. Who threw the ball such that the fielder had to move into the path of the runner? The DEFENSE!
On this play, it seems to me that the catcher is blocking the runner's access to plate even before he needs to move in order to make the catch. Sure, he had possession of the baseball by the time the runner got there, but he was already blocking the plate well before then. It's not as if the catcher had to move and catch the ball. He set up to block the plate and the throw was directly thrown to where he was ALREADY positioned, blocking the plate. I think that's why they overruled this and called obstruction.
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