Disgraceful! Farrell has been let off and his red card overturned. I have lost all respect for the rugby authorities, Farrell gets away with it again! Just shows what you can do with an expensive legal team!
The fact that World Ruby have overturned a blatant red card involving a head injury is an absolute disgrace. No one saw the incident being reversed. These inconsistencies will only harm the game and there’s no doubt they have set the cat amongst the pigeons with the RWC only weeks away. Shocking!
I'm absolutely gob smacked ,it's just throws the officials under the bus and telling us the bunkers is no good .if it was very close could go either way as in leave it stand or over turn ,but this was no chance should be over turned. So officials can get ur right but if it does go with wat world rugby favour they will take the humiliation and bad press for the officials for no good reason,I behaved almost every ref would give a red .
They gave him a red card, but disqualification is another issue. I do not think he is that big of an asshole that he did on purpose just before the world cup.
The fact Farrell sees himself as undroppable *and* as a coach, is the biggest problem england have had with evolving. He cannot play the game we need to play and we are building a squad around him, instead of accepting he hasn't been Test quality since 2020 and should not be in the team as of last year.
Farrell has had 5 years to adjust his tackle technique since he hit Esterhuizen and almost threw the game vs the Springboks. He appears to have done nothing. The 'ultimate competitor' would have worked on his technique to stay within the law. Questions should also be asked of coaches at club and country as to whether they made it mandatory for Farrell to work on his tackling. England and Farrell only have themselves to blame.
@@kemuse1actually world rugby did admit it was an illegal tackle and even used the video of that tackle as an example of an illegal shoulder charge on their website🤷♂️
@@kemuse1 big hits are amazing to watch, but the head trauma consequences do not make them worth keeping in the game. Farrell could be taken to court in years to come if any of the people he has hit in the head develop dementia or any other brain issue.
Excellent video guys. If Farrell hasn't learned by now, he'll never learn. As a neutral fan, I can see England not getting out of their group. As for next weekend, if Ireland play the WC first team, they will wallop England. I hope they go with the more "junior?" squad players and not risk the big players against a team that won't be in the reckoning in this world cup. The 2nd string Irish players are probably good enough to push England all the way.
@@mb1326 Yes, very good point, though Japan are not the team they were in 2019. I'd be more worried about Samoa of all teams if they turn up on the day. It's going to be difficult, but at least England did show some heart to come back against Wales, even if Wales fielded a B team. I do hope they get out of the group though. I'd like to see England put up a decent enough performance.
@@bbwt9991 Samoa has than a handful of more than competent AB and Wallabies players who come in under the changes to the eligibility rules. They are also playing together in the Pacific Championship giving them some great development opportunities. They are also playing under the Referees that will be at the RWC and most of the brain explosion stuff that has cost them in the past is gone as result while keeping their bone rattling tackling technique They also have a young goal kicker who is accurate out ot 65 metres. And then there is Fiji who will have targetted Wales and Georgia as wins.
Absolutely bang on. I think people need to get used to the idea that Ford is just simply a better 10 than Faz. He just is. I'm a Bath fan and when Sarries came to The Rec, Faz was solid but nothing special. When Ford came with Leicester he was an absolute menace. His kicking, passing and game management were all a step above Faz. England need to find a another captain because I think they're going down a dead-end with Faz at 10.
@@robreeves9825 I agree mate he is a better 10, I think one of the best in the world not even joking. However I do think faz should play, I know it’s become taboo to say it but I’d start him at 12 with manu or Lawrence outside, we saw arguably the most dominant England team since 2003 with Ford, faz manu combination and I think it’s still the best we have.
Say a word for Taine Basham; concussion is no laughing matter. This may be the one that knocks him off from playing for ever; may be the one that tips him in MND. It's a very sad indictment of where England rugby is (premiership and national team) that the only way England can win is...to the play the laws. England's most powerful club, Saracens were demoted, Faz keeps sloshing people round the head. Something rotten at the heart of English rugby 😞
I'm surprised that they didn't mention how poor England's most experienced team were against a Wales B+ experimental selection. The only reason England won was because of a welsh catastrophic lineout error. Something is very wrong in the England camp! As for Farrell, that was seemingly completely idiotic considering the circumstances, they may extend the ban above 6 weeks.
@@carwyngriffithsGenge and Steward were sin binned within 2 minutes of each other and Farrell just over a minute after that, so it was at least a good 7 minutes with 12 men. You even conceded a try during this period. And it was 14 men for around half an hour in total after Farrell was upgraded to a red. And you still lost.
Oh here go with that “it was our B team nonsense”. 8 of the England players from the first test were axed from the squad. England didn’t even use a No7. And in this second test there was still no Chessum, Watson, Sinckler, Curry or Tuilagi. Yet with 12 players for almost a 7 minutes and 14 men for almost half an hour you still didn’t win. I’m not sure how big you think your squad is? But, those are your test players that have featured over the last two weeks. You all seem to have forgotten how many holes Gatland has had to plug. I’m not sure you’re aware of how much trouble you’re actually in. The Welsh set piece is abysmal and if you lose to SA next week, you’re going into the WC with 2 losses on the bounce where I can then see Fiji and Australia beating you by a score.
It's not a bug with Farrell, it's a feature. He intends to hurt and if possible stretcher the guy he's tackling (Darcy Graham, Calcutta Cup 2019), with one eye on the ref for whether it's not quite too high, not quite too late. The calculation is that a yellow may be worth getting rid of a dangerous opponent. So give him a red, a long ban, rule him out of the World Cup and let England move on from his era. He was never Ntamack or Russell or Sexton. He's a one-speed international player with a decent boot (which he always used too often) and an obvious inability to change gear when the gameplan isn't working. England will be better off without him.
Pretty much perfect. Why hasn't he had a very long ban yet? How many times is this? It's dozens of dangerous tackles and now to muddy the waters people are talking up how good he is (he isn't) as if that should be taken in to consideration.
He’s a nasty, vindictive violent thug. It’s premeditated what he does, his temperament is awful. If he did this level of violence in the street he’d be jailed, no ifs, no buts, no excuses, it’s his whole being the way he is. A 52 week ban would be too short!
@@mcmustangno1567 steady on pal - he's throw a high shot at someone in the heat of a rugby match (which happens, often) - not stamped on someone's head. He deserves a ban and he'll get one, but alliteration aside, I don't think he's a violent vindictive thug.
Ben Earl was great and added energy to what has to go down as one of the worst games to watch ever... For next week, I'd go with Itoje & Lawes at 4 & 5 and a back row of Willis, Curry and Earl at 6, 7, & 8.
@cricketerfrench7501 he's going around hitting guys in the head, at some point he's going to cause serious damage. Basham is now a doubt for the WC and Farrell gets nothing? It stinks to high heavens, hopefully WR will review the decision themselves otherwise the message us that refs can't be trusted, the bunker doesn't work and some players are getting special treatment.
I did read earlier (WalesOnline iirc) that although TB had failed an HIA, there was some discussion that it may have been compromised due to a TV being on in the assessment room, and that subsequent tests have shown no signs of a concussion. Hope he's OK, whatever the outcome. FWIW I'm dismayed by the Disciplinary Committee's decision, think it indeed merited a Red and a 6 week ban at minimum!
@@Poweroftouch I couldn't believe my eyes when I read the decision. I'd like World Rugby to ask that committee to explain their decision further, I just don't understand their thinking 🤷🏻♂️
The tackle technique that Farrell has been using all his career is patently illegal, there is not attempt to wrap, regardless of where he hits, it is at least a yellow.
@@agustinenzoa4447 He was banned fairly recently, so, no I don't think it will. Look at his tackling through his entire career, it has always been illegal.
Six weeks minimum for Farrell IMHO. If he does get on the park in the world cup there's every chance he'll get binned again. His technique and as the boys said the red mist virtually guarantees it.
All blacks have 3 better 10s going to the cup. He'd be lucky to be in the top 10 and he'll get sent off at the critical moment. The non English supporter in me says keep him in the team because he will cost England a quarter final.
As an Englishman I can't see a scenario where Farrell gets any less than 6 weeks, add to that Basham's failed HIA, he's done tackle school, and he had the incident against Gloucester in January, even with remorse, whatever the fuck that means these days other than a tame excuse to get a reduced ban, 6 weeks is the absolute best he could hope for, I reckon it might be more, there's no room for leniency anymore, he's a used all his get out of jail free cards by now. I know what he brings to the team and the field but it's not worth fuck all if he's sitting on the bench after a red card. Plus side is we won't have to worry about it happening again and Ford is easily good enough to be in the starting 15.
Totally agree with Goodey 6 weeks. That's where the sanction starts, it comes down a bit for apologising et al then goes back to 6 because of similar offence within the calender year. If that's what he gets then World Rugby has done the right thing but I get the horrible feeling there is about to be a huge delivery of fudge, despite the entire disciplinary commitee being Aussies. On a brighter note I think it could be a good thing for England, bit of seige mentality, which got us over the line on Saturday? There has to be a changing of the guard at some point, maybe for Owen Farrell this is his time to bow out? And for the record I've always been a fan and will thank him and his team for producing one of the best performances I've seen England give in 60 years when beating the All Blacks at the last RWC.
I really want to hear you guys after the Committee decision today. I really worry that the decision will result in the bunker system (which i thought was positive) fail and how does it look if World Rugby Really do take player safety seriously!
Farrell is nowhere near the best #10 in the world. Hell Johnny Sexton led his team to a series win in New Zealand, a Grand Slam win and an Autumn series win too - Oh and that's just in the last 18 months. What did Farrell accomplish other than getting himself a red card?
Please give us an update to the podcast in light of Farrell being let off AGAIN!!!! I'm an avid England fan and even I think World Rugby's reaction is utter, utter, BS. Does he have dodgy photos of members of the disciplinary committee, do you think?
Ban Owen Farrell entirely. Give him the full 6 week suspension. There is absolutely no way anyone can defend him any longer. Once was enough. Twice was really bad. But 3x times?? And all of this after he attended tackling school? The guy is an absolute liability now to his team. There can be no more of this 'he's a massive and great player' crap anymore. He has truly let England down with his stupidity and no amount of merit and reputation will change that. He should get exactly the same treatment as anybody else. A full on ban, and that includes the World Cup. He really should have known better, but I guess we were wrong about him.
He should get the full 6 week ban if not more. Sexton should of been given a minimum of an 11 week ban as Hartley did for verbally abusing an official even though Sexton verbally abused 4 officals. However, WR like their poster boys and obviously bend the rules for some.
@@quofatavocant Woh woh woh, you lumping Sexton in with this psycho high tackling loon? How should an 11 week ban be given for a few verbal fisticuffs, but potentially ending someone's career/ shortening someone's lifespan be a mere 6 week ban. Check your proportionality...
The problem with Farrel is that he isn't very bright. He functions almost purely on instinct, which is not what you want in a captain. Ford would be a much better pick.
A lengthy ban for Faz, and as much as I don't wish injuries on anyone, the one to JVP, are both events which are blessings in disguise for England. Forces a different 9 in compared to having 3 the same, and finally Borthwick doesn't have to have a spine to pick Ford over Faz
How have we found ourselves going into a world cup with a disciplinary system that totally contradicts itself. This decision completely undermines the credibility of the bunker system. On a seperate note, should the panel not be made up of more than one country as lets just say the aussies are more willing to accept head hunting
red card rescinded to just a yellow car by an "independent" review board......what an absolute joke. Makes a complete mockery of the rules for players safety. Just boils my piss
'shoulder-charge farrell' deserves nothing less than 8 weeks. it's gotten to such a point that if you tell *anyone* remotely knowledgeable about rugby, 'that guy got owen farrell'd in the tackle' you know *exactly* what happened. the thug deserves to miss the world cup.
Given his history and the timeline or length of him continuing his illegal technique, this should be a top end or max level infringement. This means 10+ weeks or 52 weeks. He is a Cynical player. A danger to other players.
Nothing gave me greater pleasure than seeing his face when SA kicked England’s butt in RWC 2019. He got away with his cheap shot on Esterhuisen. A game that SA should have won. No way that red card would have been rescinded if he was a springbok. Nothing changes.
Also I don't agree with reducing any ban because Farrell apologised to Basham on the field. Of course he should apologise anyway. Of course he should admit his guilt. But those acts should not affect the length of his ban. Do you not think he hasn't done that in previous incidents. Any legal mind/disciplinary panel worth their salt will just say that the principle of mitigation clearly does not work with Farrell based on previous incidents of this kind.
So disappointing from Owen. You can almost understand the errors made by Arundell and others keen to make an impression but Farrell is a locked in selection with years of experience playing in a warm up game. Just cynical and completely pointless.
Farrell lets be honest is a THUG! He wiped out Darcy Graham, he put a cheap shot on Russell, wiped out the Gloucater guy, now he is at it again! Minimum 6 weeks perhaps even a 3 month ban?
@@Readbetweenthelines1 That’s one tackle I think is actually within the margins. Contact is with the shoulder and there appears to be some effort to wrap in that the arms are bent and come together after contact indicating a wrap. Obviously the tackles where contact is made with the head I don’t dispute at all and I also agree that the overall technique is defective.
There was no arm wrap. He is just trying to take opposition threats of the field. Done within the laws is rugby. Breaking those rules and he's a hitman.@@EVSmith-by9no
@@Readbetweenthelines1 I’ve just rewatched it and to me it looks as though he does attempt to wrap. After the contact is made and Esterhuizen is on the ground you can see Farrell brings his arms together which looks to me like the follow-through from his trying to wrap his arms. Contact is shoulder height, enough of an attempt to wrap - for me it’s not so egregious as other people seem to think. There are plenty of clearer cut cases of Farrell tackling illegally.
Farrell did'nt get the height slightly wrong by hal an inch Goodie. He intentionally went in and dangerously dumped the guy with no regard for safety. He is a serial menace. I really dont understand that you guys woukd consider him the best 10 over the last year. Thats beyond believable. Russell, Ntamack, Biggar.
Farrell has form but this time Basham was out of control after a push/tackle from George left him no time to set. Total injustice to Farrell who should have reurned to the game after 10 minutes. He is best 10 in the world now that Sexton is nearly eligible for his pension. Too many haters out there. Farrell is a fierce competitor. That’s all
If a player has previous for an offence (and there is a lot of previous in this case), then saying sorry and admitting guilt should not make any difference whatsoever. He said sorry last time ! But this is Owen Farrell and England and a World Cup is near .... A la Jonny Sexton. What will World Rugby do ?
Agree with Goodey.. Farrel is his own worst enemy and should get that six week ban.. he needs to learn. but I have a feeling they will give him shortest possible because of the world cup.
Disgraceful disgraceful disgraceful - How much of a hand does England need with Beaumont at the helm. You all know its the case too. He's done this numerous times and got away with it. Get him off
I haven't been agreat fan of Farrell's game for some years. It's not even clear why he's captain. The opportunity to develop Smith's international standing must be grasped with both hands.
Farrells been doing this for years! Surely it’s time for him to learn his lesson! Ban him for a solid period so that he learns his lesson! Trust me I hate seeing good player miss the World Cup through injury ect. But when it’s caused by someone that hasn’t changed their ways! Just think about the past 5 years, which player comes to mind when you think about dangerous/silly tackles?
mitigation for saying sorry winds me up. Even my kids get told to show they are sorry too, surely rugby players can be held to the same standard as a 4 year old. On the red mist. I think Johnno was captain when he battered Robbie Fleck in a way that would result in a year ban or something now.
Farrell knows what he's doing, are we supposed to believe he sometimes forgets how to tackle correctly? He chooses to do this. Shoulder forward, no arms, no attempt to get low. He's a dangerous player, and he does it knowingly, he's a scumbag and he deserves to be banned for the entirety of the World Cup at least.
SA has complained about ref and rugby bias for years. This only fuels what they say. Why have they been soft on AF? Is it because he’s England captain? I think it’s obvious.
Yes that's it... A player banned for 6 weeks will miss 6 games. If his team (national or regional) don't have any games in the 6 weeks after the ban decision he's still banned for the next 6 games his team will play
Curry (6) and Willis (7) against Argentina (maybe Vunipola at 8 and Earl on the bench). England are not going to outmuscle Arg and some of their chop tacklers, so winning the turnover battle might be key for them. Lawes in second row for a good lineout option (Ribbans on bench).
Best 10 in the world? Hahahahaha jesus christ that is an absurd statement. Farrell has never even been in the top 5 10's in the world. When was he better than Barrett or Mounga or Pollard or Mackenzie or Sexton or Ntamack or Finn Russell?
England just don't look right to me. Our scrum is pathetic which is surprising as it's always been one of our strongest areas but for some reason the new wave of props are not coming through. As good as Genge and Sinkler are they can't seem to scrummage together and against the better teams they just can't compete. Scrum half is also a problem and why they are sticking with the old boys I don't know when we have the likes of Randall and Mitchell waiting in the wings. The last issue is our discipline, we don't seem to have any!! The refs these days don't tolerate it, especially at test level and we're only making it harder for ourselves. England are so frustrating at the moment.
The front row is a worry, I know Dan Cole has had a good season and he's in form, Marler is solid and dependable, Genge and Sinkler as you say are missing something, but does anyone anywhere seriously think any of the fronts rows of the top teams are looking at our front row and worrying, I don't not even close and I bet Argentina can't wait to play us, they could have a field day with the current state of the England team. We are the richest Union and we should have an embarrassment of riches, but we seem to missing something, especially in the forwards, we are not the team we used to be and the future doesn't look particularly good either.
Am I the only one concerned with the amount of time in a game where the ball is actually in play? After 20 minutes of the England/Wales game I put a stopwatch on actual play time and the ball was only "in play" for 21 minutes of the hour. Isn't it time that the clock was stopped NFL style when play stops? We're supposed to be seeing the fittest, best players ever but how can they compare to an older generation who had to play for a full game and no impact subs? So, so, so, so boring.
@@HOTDANCEHITS 100% on the transplant. Hair transplants I can understand, but the extra bushy eyebrow transplants? And then the Orange Madness dye-job to top it off? people will talk :/
Farell deserves 6 weeks. The game has to show it takes safety and head injury completely seriously. Farrell is a dangerous player. And on the note, Goode criticising Adams on twitter, for "holding his head" after being taken out in the air, only shows that Goode knows nothing about how head injuries happen. Injuries to neck and head can happen in collisions without the head being actually hit. That's the way the spine works. Goode is acting like a football pundit, and there's no place in rugby for these kind of snide accusations.
Head injuries, categorically, cannot happen without contact with the head. The neck is another matter but he wasn't holding his neck. I get you can have a reflex to hold your head after/during a fall but I agree with Goode it seemed like football antics.
@henrylynn1611 Not true, if you have a car crash and your head whips forward, regardless if the head comes into contact with anything, the brain will hit inside of the skull. This is what causes CTE. And the exact same thing can happen in contact sport. On this occasion though, I think he was milking it.
@jackkearney4573 Exactly. Head injury can certainly happen with a fall from height, even if the head isn't impacted. Attempting to smear Adams because of his reaction is the kind of thing football pundits do. No place for it in rugby. Nobody knows how hurt Adams was or wasn't.
He does have a bit of a habit , knowing hes doing it and trys to pretend it was half/half by rolling around/lying on the ground. Its not the first time.
England are at best average. They are lucky to have an easy draw and will probably end up further into the RWC than their talent deserves. Farrell's tackle was poor and the opposite of brave. Deserves the full sanction, with no mitigation discount as he is a serial offender. Saying sorry again and again shouldn't count for diddly squat.
6 games minimum to make sure he misses the world cup completely. Rather than discuss reducing tackle height just enforce illegal tackling by making an example of a very high profile player and maybe others will start to take heed
England struggled against a wales B team with experience on the bench that summed it up. Why is England celebrating on the little things when a knock on a turn over , it’s getting weird and childish
This decision is appalling. Absolutely appalling. It makes a mockery of the bin decision which was deliberated and the right decision was made. This is English favouritism. Bad enough they get to stroll to the Semi's. I am livid. It's not right and it hurts the game and makes a joke of player safety. I don't even know an English fan who disagrees with the red. It was 100% a red card
Disgraceful! Farrell has been let off and his red card overturned. I have lost all respect for the rugby authorities, Farrell gets away with it again! Just shows what you can do with an expensive legal team!
The fact that World Ruby have overturned a blatant red card involving a head injury is an absolute disgrace. No one saw the incident being reversed. These inconsistencies will only harm the game and there’s no doubt they have set the cat amongst the pigeons with the RWC only weeks away. Shocking!
I'm absolutely gob smacked ,it's just throws the officials under the bus and telling us the bunkers is no good .if it was very close could go either way as in leave it stand or over turn ,but this was no chance should be over turned. So officials can get ur right but if it does go with wat world rugby favour they will take the humiliation and bad press for the officials for no good reason,I behaved almost every ref would give a red .
serious corruption involved!
The experts reviewed it under the current laws. You are an armchair expert. Thats Shocking
@@IverKnackerov coming from an armchair critic with 1 (ONE!) subscriber. There’s a village missing it’s idiot somewhere
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“There’s no defending it, it’s a red card.” Except World Rugby have overturned the card… shameless and spineless from World Rugby.
It's Red Card FULL STOP..Why treat him different?
Fucking ridiculous and I’m English
Its not ...under the current laws.
@@IverKnackerovwhat are you smoking??
They gave him a red card, but disqualification is another issue. I do not think he is that big of an asshole that he did on purpose just before the world cup.
If you're going to reduce for apology and admitting guilt, then you should increase for previous and not setting an example as captain.
Farrell has done that some many times in his career it’s a joke 😂
Then dubble for being a cnut.
From a South African with very little expectations for the RWC.
That’s got to be right, well said
...and, red overturned. What a farce.
The fact Farrell sees himself as undroppable *and* as a coach, is the biggest problem england have had with evolving. He cannot play the game we need to play and we are building a squad around him, instead of accepting he hasn't been Test quality since 2020 and should not be in the team as of last year.
💯 spot on
ala beckham ???
@@OnlyADownstat Beckham actually won games and played well. Farrell...not so much
Can’t believe his red was rescinded, World Rugby is in the gutter
Yep exactly
It wasn't World Rugby. They are appealing the decision made by the independent committee.
No ban for Farrell. We asked for consistency and they answered with consistently not banning OF. Cheers from Argentina!
😂 Crazy.
Farrell has had 5 years to adjust his tackle technique since he hit Esterhuizen and almost threw the game vs the Springboks. He appears to have done nothing. The 'ultimate competitor' would have worked on his technique to stay within the law. Questions should also be asked of coaches at club and country as to whether they made it mandatory for Farrell to work on his tackling. England and Farrell only have themselves to blame.
That Esterhuizen hit was one of the biggest beast moments of all time. Awesome hit.
@@kemuse1 And against the rules of the game.
@@cbarclay99 the officials did not judge it so... a huge hit.
@@kemuse1actually world rugby did admit it was an illegal tackle and even used the video of that tackle as an example of an illegal shoulder charge on their website🤷♂️
@@kemuse1 big hits are amazing to watch, but the head trauma consequences do not make them worth keeping in the game. Farrell could be taken to court in years to come if any of the people he has hit in the head develop dementia or any other brain issue.
Excellent video guys. If Farrell hasn't learned by now, he'll never learn. As a neutral fan, I can see England not getting out of their group. As for next weekend, if Ireland play the WC first team, they will wallop England. I hope they go with the more "junior?" squad players and not risk the big players against a team that won't be in the reckoning in this world cup. The 2nd string Irish players are probably good enough to push England all the way.
@@mb1326 Yes, very good point, though Japan are not the team they were in 2019. I'd be more worried about Samoa of all teams if they turn up on the day. It's going to be difficult, but at least England did show some heart to come back against Wales, even if Wales fielded a B team. I do hope they get out of the group though. I'd like to see England put up a decent enough performance.
@@bbwt9991 Samoa has than a handful of more than competent AB and Wallabies players who come in under the changes to the eligibility rules. They are also playing together in the Pacific Championship giving them some great development opportunities. They are also playing under the Referees that will be at the RWC and most of the brain explosion stuff that has cost them in the past is gone as result while keeping their bone rattling tackling technique
They also have a young goal kicker who is accurate out ot 65 metres.
And then there is Fiji who will have targetted Wales and Georgia as wins.
Apart from Earls, the biggest winner in the England team was Ford, because England were much better when he was fly half.
And lineout defence, specifically Lawes made a huge difference.
People for some reason forget we went to a World Cup final with him at 10
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Absolutely bang on. I think people need to get used to the idea that Ford is just simply a better 10 than Faz. He just is. I'm a Bath fan and when Sarries came to The Rec, Faz was solid but nothing special. When Ford came with Leicester he was an absolute menace. His kicking, passing and game management were all a step above Faz. England need to find a another captain because I think they're going down a dead-end with Faz at 10.
@@robreeves9825 I agree mate he is a better 10, I think one of the best in the world not even joking. However I do think faz should play, I know it’s become taboo to say it but I’d start him at 12 with manu or Lawrence outside, we saw arguably the most dominant England team since 2003 with Ford, faz manu combination and I think it’s still the best we have.
Say a word for Taine Basham; concussion is no laughing matter. This may be the one that knocks him off from playing for ever; may be the one that tips him in MND. It's a very sad indictment of where England rugby is (premiership and national team) that the only way England can win is...to the play the laws. England's most powerful club, Saracens were demoted, Faz keeps sloshing people round the head. Something rotten at the heart of English rugby 😞
Don’t play rugby then play tennis
I'm surprised that they didn't mention how poor England's most experienced team were against a Wales B+ experimental selection. The only reason England won was because of a welsh catastrophic lineout error. Something is very wrong in the England camp! As for Farrell, that was seemingly completely idiotic considering the circumstances, they may extend the ban above 6 weeks.
And they lost against a team that had 12 players on the pitch at times.
Gatland teams never been very good at taking advantage of cards, Aussies down to 13 in RWC15 comes to mind @@liamjohnhawkins4212
@@liamjohnhawkins4212for 2 minutes?
@@carwyngriffithsGenge and Steward were sin binned within 2 minutes of each other and Farrell just over a minute after that, so it was at least a good 7 minutes with 12 men. You even conceded a try during this period. And it was 14 men for around half an hour in total after Farrell was upgraded to a red. And you still lost.
Oh here go with that “it was our B team nonsense”. 8 of the England players from the first test were axed from the squad. England didn’t even use a No7. And in this second test there was still no Chessum, Watson, Sinckler, Curry or Tuilagi. Yet with 12 players for almost a 7 minutes and 14 men for almost half an hour you still didn’t win.
I’m not sure how big you think your squad is? But, those are your test players that have featured over the last two weeks. You all seem to have forgotten how many holes Gatland has had to plug. I’m not sure you’re aware of how much trouble you’re actually in. The Welsh set piece is abysmal and if you lose to SA next week, you’re going into the WC with 2 losses on the bounce where I can then see Fiji and Australia beating you by a score.
and the card has been rescinded. Surprise surprise. Yet world Rugby wonders why some coaches are up in arms about the inconsistencies of decisions
It's not a bug with Farrell, it's a feature. He intends to hurt and if possible stretcher the guy he's tackling (Darcy Graham, Calcutta Cup 2019), with one eye on the ref for whether it's not quite too high, not quite too late. The calculation is that a yellow may be worth getting rid of a dangerous opponent. So give him a red, a long ban, rule him out of the World Cup and let England move on from his era. He was never Ntamack or Russell or Sexton. He's a one-speed international player with a decent boot (which he always used too often) and an obvious inability to change gear when the gameplan isn't working. England will be better off without him.
Pretty much perfect. Why hasn't he had a very long ban yet? How many times is this? It's dozens of dangerous tackles and now to muddy the waters people are talking up how good he is (he isn't) as if that should be taken in to consideration.
I think you might be right his era is over. He will be back as England coach one day I bet.
Hear, hear. Well said. I simply do not understand how he is rated so high by so many. I may be blind, but I genuinely don't get it.
He’s a nasty, vindictive violent thug. It’s premeditated what he does, his temperament is awful. If he did this level of violence in the street he’d be jailed, no ifs, no buts, no excuses, it’s his whole being the way he is. A 52 week ban would be too short!
@@mcmustangno1567 steady on pal - he's throw a high shot at someone in the heat of a rugby match (which happens, often) - not stamped on someone's head. He deserves a ban and he'll get one, but alliteration aside, I don't think he's a violent vindictive thug.
Ben Earl was great and added energy to what has to go down as one of the worst games to watch ever... For next week, I'd go with Itoje & Lawes at 4 & 5 and a back row of Willis, Curry and Earl at 6, 7, & 8.
Red card has been overturned. Committe cited Jamie George's interaction with Basham caused a change in direction as mitigation. Absolute bollocks.
But not Faz's fault if the Australians were lenient.
@cricketerfrench7501 he's going around hitting guys in the head, at some point he's going to cause serious damage. Basham is now a doubt for the WC and Farrell gets nothing? It stinks to high heavens, hopefully WR will review the decision themselves otherwise the message us that refs can't be trusted, the bunker doesn't work and some players are getting special treatment.
I think one of the worst things about Farrell's red is that Basham lost out on his full opportunity to put his name forward for selection
I did read earlier (WalesOnline iirc) that although TB had failed an HIA, there was some discussion that it may have been compromised due to a TV being on in the assessment room, and that subsequent tests have shown no signs of a concussion. Hope he's OK, whatever the outcome. FWIW I'm dismayed by the Disciplinary Committee's decision, think it indeed merited a Red and a 6 week ban at minimum!
George pushed him,just before contact
@@downsy4567can u believe the red card was over turned . madness
@@Poweroftouch I couldn't believe my eyes when I read the decision. I'd like World Rugby to ask that committee to explain their decision further, I just don't understand their thinking 🤷🏻♂️
@@davidpeters3857so he hit him on the left side of the head instead of the right. Was always going to be high with no arms.
If any player deserved a massive ban it is Farrell.
Indeed! 2 games off is a fair sanction.
Bit harsh mate
At least 6 weeks,,,
Yes time for some justice, what a dirt bag
Still on a English witch hunt mate🙄
The tackle technique that Farrell has been using all his career is patently illegal, there is not attempt to wrap, regardless of where he hits, it is at least a yellow.
Well said no need to say anymore than that
A couple of games banned will teach him to tackle properly.
@@agustinenzoa4447 no it won't 😂, hes had multiple bans already and keeps doing it.
@@agustinenzoa4447 He was banned fairly recently, so, no I don't think it will. Look at his tackling through his entire career, it has always been illegal.
Exactly right. This "a couple of inches too high" line totally ignores that a leads with the shoulder with no wrap anywhere in sight.
6 weeks at the minimum
Anything less and World Rugby do not give a shi* about player welfare
Six weeks minimum for Farrell IMHO. If he does get on the park in the world cup there's every chance he'll get binned again. His technique and as the boys said the red mist virtually guarantees it.
orrrrr they overturn the card... pathetic...
Nope. No sanction. Apparently the tackle was fine. Screw player safety.
@@chrismouton1985 WTAF... He has done this soooooooo many times now that that decision is really quite incredible.
You really couldn't make this farce up.
I still can’t believe how they can overturn it. WR have just thrown the Foul play official under the bus.
Farrell the best 10 in the world? Come on Jim. Maybe at a push 4th or 5th but a long way off 'best'.
i agree, his kicking has dropped off, his general play makes him top 6 at best
All blacks have 3 better 10s going to the cup. He'd be lucky to be in the top 10 and he'll get sent off at the critical moment. The non English supporter in me says keep him in the team because he will cost England a quarter final.
As an Englishman I can't see a scenario where Farrell gets any less than 6 weeks, add to that Basham's failed HIA, he's done tackle school, and he had the incident against Gloucester in January, even with remorse, whatever the fuck that means these days other than a tame excuse to get a reduced ban, 6 weeks is the absolute best he could hope for, I reckon it might be more, there's no room for leniency anymore, he's a used all his get out of jail free cards by now. I know what he brings to the team and the field but it's not worth fuck all if he's sitting on the bench after a red card.
Plus side is we won't have to worry about it happening again and Ford is easily good enough to be in the starting 15.
This is hilarious considering the red was reduced to yellow by independent judiciary committee. Completely undermined player safety protocols.
Keeping the game in the dark ages when player safety was not on the radar.
Totally agree with Goodey 6 weeks. That's where the sanction starts, it comes down a bit for apologising et al then goes back to 6 because of similar offence within the calender year. If that's what he gets then World Rugby has done the right thing but I get the horrible feeling there is about to be a huge delivery of fudge, despite the entire disciplinary commitee being Aussies.
On a brighter note I think it could be a good thing for England, bit of seige mentality, which got us over the line on Saturday? There has to be a changing of the guard at some point, maybe for Owen Farrell this is his time to bow out?
And for the record I've always been a fan and will thank him and his team for producing one of the best performances I've seen England give in 60 years when beating the All Blacks at the last RWC.
Farnell the England Capt loves his Stiff arm tackles. What an example for the rest of the team 👏 😂
I really want to hear you guys after the Committee decision today. I really worry that the decision will result in the bunker system (which i thought was positive) fail and how does it look if World Rugby Really do take player safety seriously!
Genge was destroyed in the scrum. When was that last time an England scrum pushed an opponent off the ball?
In world rugby Genge is a 2/10, vastly overrated
Last weekend
@@rob.1 a wheel doesn’t count.
The scrum isn’t just about the front three 😂😂😂
@@mcmustangno1567 😜 crazy
Farrell is nowhere near the best #10 in the world. Hell Johnny Sexton led his team to a series win in New Zealand, a Grand Slam win and an Autumn series win too - Oh and that's just in the last 18 months. What did Farrell accomplish other than getting himself a red card?
Please give us an update to the podcast in light of Farrell being let off AGAIN!!!!
I'm an avid England fan and even I think World Rugby's reaction is utter, utter, BS. Does he have dodgy photos of members of the disciplinary committee, do you think?
Ban Owen Farrell entirely. Give him the full 6 week suspension. There is absolutely no way anyone can defend him any longer. Once was enough. Twice was really bad. But 3x times?? And all of this after he attended tackling school? The guy is an absolute liability now to his team. There can be no more of this 'he's a massive and great player' crap anymore. He has truly let England down with his stupidity and no amount of merit and reputation will change that. He should get exactly the same treatment as anybody else. A full on ban, and that includes the World Cup. He really should have known better, but I guess we were wrong about him.
He should get the full 6 week ban if not more. Sexton should of been given a minimum of an 11 week ban as Hartley did for verbally abusing an official even though Sexton verbally abused 4 officals. However, WR like their poster boys and obviously bend the rules for some.
Besides I prefer George Ford and Ben Youngs wearing the 9 jersey.
@@quofatavocant Woh woh woh, you lumping Sexton in with this psycho high tackling loon? How should an 11 week ban be given for a few verbal fisticuffs, but potentially ending someone's career/ shortening someone's lifespan be a mere 6 week ban. Check your proportionality...
The problem with Farrel is that he isn't very bright. He functions almost purely on instinct, which is not what you want in a captain. Ford would be a much better pick.
A lengthy ban for Faz, and as much as I don't wish injuries on anyone, the one to JVP, are both events which are blessings in disguise for England. Forces a different 9 in compared to having 3 the same, and finally Borthwick doesn't have to have a spine to pick Ford over Faz
How have we found ourselves going into a world cup with a disciplinary system that totally contradicts itself. This decision completely undermines the credibility of the bunker system. On a seperate note, should the panel not be made up of more than one country as lets just say the aussies are more willing to accept head hunting
Always the same Australian Castledon KC charing the panel.Very unhealthy.
red card rescinded to just a yellow car by an "independent" review board......what an absolute joke. Makes a complete mockery of the rules for players safety. Just boils my piss
'shoulder-charge farrell' deserves nothing less than 8 weeks.
it's gotten to such a point that if you tell *anyone* remotely knowledgeable about rugby, 'that guy got owen farrell'd in the tackle' you know *exactly* what happened. the thug deserves to miss the world cup.
Interested to see the guys takes on this subject now...
Given his history and the timeline or length of him continuing his illegal technique, this should be a top end or max level infringement. This means 10+ weeks or 52 weeks. He is a Cynical player. A danger to other players.
Nothing gave me greater pleasure than seeing his face when SA kicked England’s butt in RWC 2019. He got away with his cheap shot on Esterhuisen. A game that SA should have won.
No way that red card would have been rescinded if he was a springbok. Nothing changes.
Owen farrell is an absolute grub, it isnt just his natural tackle form its his mindset
Also I don't agree with reducing any ban because Farrell apologised to Basham on the field. Of course he should apologise anyway. Of course he should admit his guilt. But those acts should not affect the length of his ban. Do you not think he hasn't done that in previous incidents. Any legal mind/disciplinary panel worth their salt will just say that the principle of mitigation clearly does not work with Farrell based on previous incidents of this kind.
So disappointing from Owen. You can almost understand the errors made by Arundell and others keen to make an impression but Farrell is a locked in selection with years of experience playing in a warm up game. Just cynical and completely pointless.
Farrell lets be honest is a THUG! He wiped out Darcy Graham, he put a cheap shot on Russell, wiped out the Gloucater guy, now he is at it again! Minimum 6 weeks perhaps even a 3 month ban?
The Esterhuizen incident.
@@Readbetweenthelines1exactly.
@@Readbetweenthelines1 That’s one tackle I think is actually within the margins. Contact is with the shoulder and there appears to be some effort to wrap in that the arms are bent and come together after contact indicating a wrap. Obviously the tackles where contact is made with the head I don’t dispute at all and I also agree that the overall technique is defective.
There was no arm wrap. He is just trying to take opposition threats of the field. Done within the laws is rugby. Breaking those rules and he's a hitman.@@EVSmith-by9no
@@Readbetweenthelines1 I’ve just rewatched it and to me it looks as though he does attempt to wrap. After the contact is made and Esterhuizen is on the ground you can see Farrell brings his arms together which looks to me like the follow-through from his trying to wrap his arms. Contact is shoulder height, enough of an attempt to wrap - for me it’s not so egregious as other people seem to think. There are plenty of clearer cut cases of Farrell tackling illegally.
Farrell did'nt get the height slightly wrong by hal an inch Goodie. He intentionally went in and dangerously dumped the guy with no regard for safety. He is a serial menace. I really dont understand that you guys woukd consider him the best 10 over the last year. Thats beyond believable. Russell, Ntamack, Biggar.
The best ref in the world, retired, his quote red card no arguments from his farm in Wales.
Rassie did warn you guys that there is a serious problem ... 🤷♂️ The odds that this WC outcome will be spoilt by officials is very high.
Farrell has form but this time Basham was out of control after a push/tackle from George left him no time to set. Total injustice to Farrell who should have reurned to the game after 10 minutes. He is best 10 in the world now that Sexton is nearly eligible for his pension. Too many haters out there. Farrell is a fierce competitor. That’s all
@@dorr4139 lol ok
Can we get a update from the boys on this? Since the overturning of the card?
If a player has previous for an offence (and there is a lot of previous in this case), then saying sorry and admitting guilt should not make any difference whatsoever. He said sorry last time ! But this is Owen Farrell and England and a World Cup is near .... A la Jonny Sexton. What will World Rugby do ?
Ok, Rugby pod, please explain the result of the review and what it means. Looking forward to it.
Looking forward to the follow-up, now that Farrell’s red card has being rescinded.
AND ME, absolutely correct
If it was any other player in any other union/country what would the penalty be? say SA it would be a max penalty.
Ban the grub how many times has he used his shoulder in a tackle.
I’d love to see Goodies face when he sees Faz escaped Scott free
Goodey could you please have a word with the England team stop the ridiculous celebration for any decision going your way it's so embarrassing ffs.
Well apparently saying you're sorry is enough to cancel red cards.. WR should be careful, it might become too obvious at this rate!
Agree with Goodey.. Farrel is his own worst enemy and should get that six week ban.. he needs to learn. but I have a feeling they will give him shortest possible because of the world cup.
Disgraceful disgraceful disgraceful - How much of a hand does England need with Beaumont at the helm. You all know its the case too. He's done this numerous times and got away with it. Get him off
If that’s was anyone else the band would of stayed it’s ridiculous.
Best 10??? Farrell has not approached being the best 10 in the world at any point in his career, definitely not the last year.
for a short period under jones he was up there, but that was over at least 2 years ago, time to drop him.
Oh jim come on best 10 in the world you've got to be bloody joking.
I haven't been agreat fan of Farrell's game for some years. It's not even clear why he's captain. The opportunity to develop Smith's international standing must be grasped with both hands.
Best 10 in the world? Farrell is a robot. I hope he gets a 12 week ban so Ford or Smith can play.
Lets just hope farrel is back for the worldcup, so we can see cheslin kolbe step him again.
yh agree, have it be 3 weeks
Well, looks like he’ll get his chance.
@@kenrehill8775 yh, but one more strike and he’s😶🌫️
Farrells been doing this for years! Surely it’s time for him to learn his lesson! Ban him for a solid period so that he learns his lesson!
Trust me I hate seeing good player miss the World Cup through injury ect. But when it’s caused by someone that hasn’t changed their ways!
Just think about the past 5 years, which player comes to mind when you think about dangerous/silly tackles?
Farrell needs to get flattened in a loose scrum!
False alarm, boys. Farrell's tackle was apparently perfectly fine. What a fucking joke!
mitigation for saying sorry winds me up. Even my kids get told to show they are sorry too, surely rugby players can be held to the same standard as a 4 year old.
On the red mist. I think Johnno was captain when he battered Robbie Fleck in a way that would result in a year ban or something now.
best 10 in the world .....LMAO , whatever you are drinking can i get some
Farrell knows what he's doing, are we supposed to believe he sometimes forgets how to tackle correctly? He chooses to do this. Shoulder forward, no arms, no attempt to get low. He's a dangerous player, and he does it knowingly, he's a scumbag and he deserves to be banned for the entirety of the World Cup at least.
Can you qualify best 10 in the world statement?
Why the best 10?
Stop saying he is competitive. Start saying he is unskilled and dangerous.
If the starting ban is 6 weeks, he deserves more than 6.
Can't wait for the next pod to see the reaction on that bizarre let off of Farrell
Give him 6 weeks. Good for rugby, good for England.
As a Scotland fan I want him available for England. At all times.
SA has complained about ref and rugby bias for years. This only fuels what they say. Why have they been soft on AF? Is it because he’s England captain? I think it’s obvious.
I'm confused. How do bans work? Does 1 week equate to 1 game?
Yes that's it... A player banned for 6 weeks will miss 6 games. If his team (national or regional) don't have any games in the 6 weeks after the ban decision he's still banned for the next 6 games his team will play
@@kropotkine9640 thank you
Curry (6) and Willis (7) against Argentina (maybe Vunipola at 8 and Earl on the bench). England are not going to outmuscle Arg and some of their chop tacklers, so winning the turnover battle might be key for them. Lawes in second row for a good lineout option (Ribbans on bench).
Well this aged well. Looking forward to the next one.
Who would have ever said Scotland is the UKs most exciting team!! 😂😂😂😂
Best 10 in the world? Hahahahaha jesus christ that is an absurd statement. Farrell has never even been in the top 5 10's in the world. When was he better than Barrett or Mounga or Pollard or Mackenzie or Sexton or Ntamack or Finn Russell?
My god !! These guys are kings of redundancy and they think there so witty . It’s amazing
Earl at 8 suggestion reminds me of Australia with George Smith at 8. Goody top impression of Borthers.
England just don't look right to me. Our scrum is pathetic which is surprising as it's always been one of our strongest areas but for some reason the new wave of props are not coming through. As good as Genge and Sinkler are they can't seem to scrummage together and against the better teams they just can't compete. Scrum half is also a problem and why they are sticking with the old boys I don't know when we have the likes of Randall and Mitchell waiting in the wings. The last issue is our discipline, we don't seem to have any!! The refs these days don't tolerate it, especially at test level and we're only making it harder for ourselves. England are so frustrating at the moment.
The front row is a worry, I know Dan Cole has had a good season and he's in form, Marler is solid and dependable, Genge and Sinkler as you say are missing something, but does anyone anywhere seriously think any of the fronts rows of the top teams are looking at our front row and worrying, I don't not even close and I bet Argentina can't wait to play us, they could have a field day with the current state of the England team.
We are the richest Union and we should have an embarrassment of riches, but we seem to missing something, especially in the forwards, we are not the team we used to be and the future doesn't look particularly good either.
A decent set of referees will always catch Farrell out because he always does this type of tackle!!!!
Am I the only one concerned with the amount of time in a game where the ball is actually in play? After 20 minutes of the England/Wales game I put a stopwatch on actual play time and the ball was only "in play" for 21 minutes of the hour. Isn't it time that the clock was stopped NFL style when play stops?
We're supposed to be seeing the fittest, best players ever but how can they compare to an older generation who had to play for a full game and no impact subs?
So, so, so, so boring.
Lol. The fix is in. No ban. No nothing. England given the easiest group and their players are allowed to do whatever they want. Grim times.
Goodey is quite a cheeky so and so. Love it and his hairline
Kid's gone mad with the Grecian 2000. Looks like a demented leprechaun.
@@powerbite92 hair transplants more like
@@HOTDANCEHITS 100% on the transplant. Hair transplants I can understand, but the extra bushy eyebrow transplants? And then the Orange Madness dye-job to top it off? people will talk :/
Farell deserves 6 weeks. The game has to show it takes safety and head injury completely seriously. Farrell is a dangerous player. And on the note, Goode criticising Adams on twitter, for "holding his head" after being taken out in the air, only shows that Goode knows nothing about how head injuries happen. Injuries to neck and head can happen in collisions without the head being actually hit. That's the way the spine works. Goode is acting like a football pundit, and there's no place in rugby for these kind of snide accusations.
Adams did look to exaggerate it. No excuses for a poor challenge - but the football antics are regularly employed by people. Especially, Wales.
Head injuries, categorically, cannot happen without contact with the head. The neck is another matter but he wasn't holding his neck. I get you can have a reflex to hold your head after/during a fall but I agree with Goode it seemed like football antics.
@henrylynn1611 Not true, if you have a car crash and your head whips forward, regardless if the head comes into contact with anything, the brain will hit inside of the skull. This is what causes CTE. And the exact same thing can happen in contact sport. On this occasion though, I think he was milking it.
@jackkearney4573 Exactly. Head injury can certainly happen with a fall from height, even if the head isn't impacted. Attempting to smear Adams because of his reaction is the kind of thing football pundits do. No place for it in rugby. Nobody knows how hurt Adams was or wasn't.
@@johnhanson5943Agree, Wales especially show the biggest traits of whingebag footballers
Watch playback, Farrell crouched to tackle, Basham fends off George with left hand, and falls to right into Farrells tackle. Unlucky to get yellow.
Goode loves his own voice and attacking Borthwick. I’m glad Jim threw a spanner in his works.
He does, he's a bit of an arsehole on this.
Oh boy the world cup drama has begun, as is tradition, pre-season!
He does have a bit of a habit , knowing hes doing it and trys to pretend it was half/half by rolling around/lying on the ground. Its not the first time.
England are at best average. They are lucky to have an easy draw and will probably end up further into the RWC than their talent deserves. Farrell's tackle was poor and the opposite of brave. Deserves the full sanction, with no mitigation discount as he is a serial offender. Saying sorry again and again shouldn't count for diddly squat.
After that illegal tackle on Basham he is out of the South Affica game and Fiji and possibly longer. Ban Farell for at least 8 weeks.
I think Ford is massively different to Farrell. The way they control a game is so different.
6 games minimum to make sure he misses the world cup completely. Rather than discuss reducing tackle height just enforce illegal tackling by making an example of a very high profile player and maybe others will start to take heed
England struggled against a wales B team with experience on the bench that summed it up. Why is England celebrating on the little things when a knock on a turn over , it’s getting weird and childish
WR seems to be corrupt they profess a safer game but ignore serial thugs
Red card overturned, no ban, and we are supposed to suck this up?
This decision is appalling. Absolutely appalling. It makes a mockery of the bin decision which was deliberated and the right decision was made.
This is English favouritism. Bad enough they get to stroll to the Semi's. I am livid. It's not right and it hurts the game and makes a joke of player safety. I don't even know an English fan who disagrees with the red. It was 100% a red card
RFU still charging full price for that tosh. Embarrassing