I own both cars and there isn't any doubt that 718 is the better car. We are all disappointed how it sounds but we know the reason. I don't like to modify cars but when akrapovic releases the exhaust kit I will go for it.
Seeing that you own both, what is your thought on the fact that Porsche basically just released a GT4 "Lite" with the GTS having the 4.0 and is basically a small tune away from GT4 power? Honestly I think it is horrible thing on their end honestly and that the GT4 should have 440hp and not just 420hp. The GTS should not basically be a GT4 with less aero.
Rubedo Alaberti already own the 981 GT4. I don’t plan on moving on to the 718 honestly. I’ll either upgrade to a GT3 or tune the GT4 with a 4.5 upgrade
@@cdres74 The GT owners never had the engine power as their first priority...In my opinion the 718 GTS 4.0 isn't a GT car with less aero. It shares only the engine but the steering, brakes and the setup is a completly different story. Consider that even the 718 2.5 GTS is a way faster car than the 981 GT4 in a real world but nobody cares...They don't want to see the prices of the 718 GT4 going up, they want to have a 'similar' product to cover the demand...In my heart the 981 GT4 is the special one but not the better one...
I currently have 981 GT4. 981 Boxster GTS. 718 Cayman GTS 4.0. 987 Boxster Spyder. Formerly 2016 Aprilla Factory Tuono V4. Formerly 981 Boxster Spyder. 964 Targa As we “progress” we are losing the soul. For me the sound is the music. Anyone can drive a 650 HP car fast on straight road. This gentleman has said it best.
You own *ALL* those cars currently? That’s every generation of Cayman… if so that’s great you’ve managed to do this! A reminder what hydraulic steering feels like, a reminder of how “real” pedals felt before it got too soft. I have a VW ID3 loan car at the moment… 😭
Nice collection! (no 911? You've resisted the marketing and social pressure? ;) -- how would you say it feels going from 981 GTS to a 718 Spyder? I drove a 718 GTS 4.0 and... it kinda disappointed me on the sound!
A sportscar should first and foremost drive and feel like a sportscar. I prefer my 981 GT4 over the 718 GT4, but there's a lot of reasons for that, and the most important is how the car drives. If for instance being loud was everything, I would argue that a Ferrari 458 was a better spotscar than a 488, but that is so far from being the case, that one could easily think they were a lot less related than they actually are. The most important thing about the 981 is the fact that it connects you so much better with the car than the 718 does. The 718 does not leave you feeling detached, you'll need a Taycan Turbo S for an actual detached feeling, but it does not communicate as well as the 981 GT4 did.
I bought my 981 primarily based on sound. That was the first in my list, manual, and has the character almost no other car has. I agree with all 5 of your reasons.
Alright, come on now. Apples to Apples. Let's wait until Eddie has driven a 718 GT4 with headers and maybe a straight pipe and then we'll see how many times he uses the word "soulless" and gets away with it. I get it, both the 3.4 and 3.8 sounded very sweet and the pitch was quite different compared to the new 4.0 liter. But I think a lot of that has to do with the particulate filters. The jury is still out here and the 4.0 has yet to be really aurally unleashed. Besides, if you're spending that much on a car, 4 year old 981 vs brand new 718, the factory warranty is equal to a lot of soul. I'm thinking gearbox issues and possible front strut tower failures.
@@jjaisli it's the PPF (petrol particulate filter) that kills the sound. Not so much the exhaust. Unfortunately you can't just remove it without changing engine management software. When Porsche added the PPF to the 2019 regular 718 the old remaps stopped working properly as the PPF has such an effect on the engine management.
@@simonbussey7530 Well, we're still waiting for US Spec cars here in North America and it remains to be seen if Porsche will remove them completely for this market and if the car will sound any different. Time will tell.
I think the GT4 981 is an amazing car but here is why the GT4 718 is a better car: 1. Engine is better. 2. Front end is more direct. 3. More comfortable to drive, better chassis setup. 4. Looks better. 5. More low end torque. These are all the benefits the GT3 991.2 had over the GT3 991.1 and it was a better car. I'm just glad my car is arriving with a non EU exhaust system setup. Just heard it a few days ago and it sounds amazing!
Better engine? Then why is the 718 Clubsport model sticking with a tuned 3.8L 981 engine? Faster around a track? Mostly the Cup Sport 2 N01’s, which you can mount on any GT4. A few aero tweaks are the only main thing.
Do you have any actual 981 GT4 experience? All of your points are not only subjective, they are in fact what makes the GT4 the GT4. The 981 GT4 is for all intended purposes quite comfortable, very much so in fact. But there needs to be a limit for the car to do what it does. More direct front end? Not even close. Gear ratio is way off and there's far from the same sense of torque in the 718. Neither are very fast, but the 981 GT4 is a faster car on a twisty track. I had a friend of mine who's a very good Radical Cup and Challenge driver, chase me in my GT4 and I was in a Pista. He managed to keep up on a twisty track like Sturup Raceway. I was chasing a 718 this past Tuesday on the same track driven by a very decent driver, and I didn't even have to work to keep up. When I was past him, there was no competition and it was impossible for the 718 GT4 to keep up. It has grown soft, fat, and slower by comparison. You may not like it, but that's the truth. I could care less as I can purchase a 718 if I please, but I see no point as it's not as special and it's not as fast on track.
I agree completely that the the 981GT4 is the better car. Albeit some of my reasons are the same (much better sound and character) but some are different: it is lighter (better for tyres and better for economy more of this next and better for maintenance as it is free of cumbersome plumbing-numbing tech), it is more economical (it does matter if one uses it regularly and for trans-cont trips that some of us do), and it has a rock solid engine whose reliability is completely and totally beyond reproach - nobody can say the same about the new 4 litre engine still in its infancy. And then comes the performance: on a straight line the cars are matched and on a track about 75% of the 781 GT4 advantaged is due to its more advanced rubber as Porsche has admitted. Fit both cars with the same rubber and it will be the drivers’ skills and only these making the difference over a lap. This for cars similarly equipped as a 981 with PCCB and the same rubber will lick the life out of a 781 on a track. And least not forget the 981 GT4 can have its aero switched to higher downforce by opening the front ducts and change the angle on the rear wing - I am not sure if one can do the same on the 781. To me the 981 GT4 wins this easily and over time I am convinced it will be the car that will retain its value better or appreciate more.
The big problem is that Porsche was too complacent with this “upgrade”. I’ve owned a 981 model since new, just as a buddy of mine has, and the ONLY things we wanted changed were shorter gearing, and at least 450hp. We didn’t get either, so neither of us is opting for an allocation on the new one, which sucks. As 991 GT3 prices drop, I’ll probably go that route instead, even though I prefer a mid-engine car.
@@nakekygt954 As a 981 GT4 owner with 385 bhp, I tend to say you're not entirely right. It is still one of the most fun cars I have, but straight line speed is not its strong point. A heavier GTS with an even taller gear and less power, that does not sound very fast.
I agree that the 981 is the more visceral experience. The 718 is a more precise weapon though. The argument that the 981 was the first GT4 is a bit of a moot point seeing as the 718 will be the last combustion engine GT4.
The point about the character of the car is real. All the reviews concur that whilst the new car is refreshed… it has become a more mainstream/softer offering and therefore loses some of its soul and character. Having driven both I can agree… the 718 GT4 felt much like I’d expect a GTS model to feel so for most people there will be no difference between a 718 GT4 and 718 GTS. 981 GT4 has a clear personality of its own.… it is slightly rawer, and less compromising. I actually found that the 718 Spyder I drove was more similar to the 981 GT4, than the 718 GT4 was to the 981 GT4.
SO HAPPY FOR YOU😃👍🏼 They got it right first time! Congratulations. If you ever want to put together a short video on the car I would be more than happy to showcase it here, as many other Cayman owners have already done so. We 😍 Caymans here!!
Sweet. Just keep an eye on the clutch and keep in mind that some time in thee future, you WILL have to replace the clutch. But it's a wear part after all.
I’ve just sold my 991 Speedster and bought a 981 GT4. No regrets whatsoever. The 981 is more fun on the road (as you’re not shit scared by the value), can be enjoyed without fear of every 1k miles losing you £10k in depreciation, more fun on the road as it’s not too fast but fast enough and it’s the perfect size. Very happy with my GT4 and £220k in change! I’ve also experienced the 718 GT4 and would choose the 981 every time. In a few years I really think we’ll see values even out.
Very happy for you and an interesting “downgrade” that some people might call it… however we all know on this channel the merits of the Cayman. The 981 GT4 is such a cracker I even got one myself😜 though in my case I was adding money on top of my previous car. Last I checked I’m close to adding 4k miles in under 1 year of ownership. Good point you made on mileage depreciation (which is nuts). No point owning these cars if you’re too scared to enjoy them and put miles on…
He makes some great points. I feel the same about Italian motorcycles. Especially Ducati motorcycles. They run hot and are a little expensive. They have a dry clutch sound but it all adds to the character of the machine. I feel as though I am riding a baby grand through traffic and everyone from the avid fan to the purist turns their head and drools.
Doctor K I know where you’re coming from. Maybe it’s an age thing, or a personal characteristic. Sometimes it isn’t about the spec sheet of the product, newer and “better”, isn’t always better for the end consumer. Each to their own though, and I respect all views. We each have a journey to make through time.
Totally agree I’m lucky enough to have best of both with a Ducati. 899 panigale and sat in the garage next to it is a ultra low mileage 999S. Dry clutch sound is amazing in my opinion
Great points, all well stated. We selected the 981 GT4 over the 718 GT4 for our garage for many of the same reasons. One of the most important reasons we can identify with is the 981 GT4 "feels" special and has amazing indescribable character. The 718 GT4 is better "on paper," but it feels more sterile and too well mannered for our liking. However, we are looking foward to a possible rumored 718 GT4RS. Liked and subscribed.
Tracking Ponies Thanks for your feedback. You might like this livestream we did a few days ago as we’re in lockdown - ruclips.net/video/K99iIUfCWEk/видео.html
Just like the BMW 1M vs every version of BMW M2 to infinity... all of the later versions, despite being technologically better, can't match the character and feel of the original.
Fair enough, that's why you should buy a Spyder, it's the first true GT Spyder. The earlier versions have been great cars, but not from the GT bloodline.
I have a 2016 GT4 which I and selling for the new 718 GT4 Spyder. Why you ask? I crave a convertible. I will miss my GT4. If I had the space I wouldn't be selling it. She will be missed.
I’ll let an owner with PCCBs answer fully. From my point of view, every GT4 I have driven with PCCBs produces squeals of sorts, particularly noticeable at low speeds. I also found the initial bite quite grabby, but I guess you adjust your foot pressure to get used to them.
You’re more than welcome. If you want me to share more on the PCCBs, and I’m just re-telling stories from other people… if you have PCCBs on your car I’d always opt to get tyres fitted at OPC or a reputable specialist. Why? When you remove the wheels, you have to be super careful not to clip the PCCBs. They can easily be damaged by the weight of a wheel clipping the edge of the disc and damaging it. When having to replace PCCBs they only come in pairs, so that’s around £8k GBP. The reason I mentioned get work done at OPC? There was this story of a guy who was driving in Europe, got a flat and had to get a tyre replaced. Used a local shop with no specialist training or equipment. In taking the wheel off they clipped his PCCB and didn’t accept responsibility for the damage, causing the owner serious headache.
Max, the first gen GT4 definitely is a great vehicle, but now that you own the 718 GT4 perhaps it's time to revisit this topic. From another 718 GT4 owner. Enjoying your channel, and your journey...
Comparing the 718 GT4 against the 981 GT4 is like comparing Da Vinci against Einstein… who was smarter? The real question is, compared to the average population, they were BOTH miles ahead of everyone else.
Completely agree. The 718 GT4 moves the game on... technically. But don't think it is a noticeably quicker car or delivers the same experience. £100k to spend on a NA Porsche? 991.1 Gt3 over a 718 GT4 - different league!
@@truewarrior0978 you say it with such confidence, I hope you are right. It really should be a better car all around! After all it is the newer car. I wish they can figure out a way to keep the noise and control the emissions!
@@jai2256 Oh yes I am not just guessing, I saw a video few days ago that a new gt4 was delivered to Cape town, sounds like a completely different car, a bit like 981. I said "outside of Europe" might be inaccurate, here in Canada we are not sure yet what kind of model will be delivered!
Excellent points, and very well stated. Especially point 4, which I hadn’t considered before. I am so tempted by the upcoming GT4RS and 992 GT3, but I would hate to let my 981 GT4 go. It’s really a special car.
Have you actually been offered a GT4RS? Many people couldn’t buy a GT4 based on their relationship with their dealer, i.e. how much money they had spent in the past (read this as not enough). I suspect many GT4 owners will not be offered a GT4RS...
Less is more for street . More is better for track. So it all depends where you drive it. No track... you can argue cayman R is the best. Indeed having the most capable car is psychologically satisfying if that is your cup of tea.
That really depends on the car. Take a Ferrari F8 vs. a Pista. On the street, the F8 is by far the faster car, but on track there's no comparison and the Pista leaves the F8 for dead. But the nature of the cars mean that you cannot drive a Pista as fast on road as you can an F8, and the opposite goes for the track. A GT4 Club would be a horrible car on the street, but cream the GT4 on track.
Is this a joke? Next up, 10 reason why the 718 GT4 is better than the 981 GT4. We don't get particulate filters in the US, so sound isn't going to be an issue for me.
Jonas Schy Hi there, we did exactly that! At the same time we published this video, we published a video from a 718 GT4 owner, saying how much better the 718 is compared to the 981 GT4. However the owner has requested that video be taken down for a while... You’re right, we haven’t heard the best of the 718 GT4 yet. Search for a video on YT where a guy in South Africa has the 718 GT4 without the PPF. Sounds awesome! This is before Soul Performance and Fabspeed have their ways with the exhaust and headers!!
Availability and Cost have normalized. 981 Now ~105 and 718 ~130 Sound still goes to the 981, but I think you can fix 718 sound with exhaust modification 981 will always be the original GT4- still true, but this is not as significant now as it was when this video was made. Now that future Caymans have been announced as electric, the 718 will always be the LAST/FASTEST gas GT4 Character/Soul still as valid as before, but subjective. I've never driven a 718 so idk personally.
Max I still believe the 981 GTS with PDK is the best cayman out there. Can be used anytime anywhere. Comfortable and more than quick enough for 99% of drivers. Uk isn't suitable for full on GT cars.
im not quite sure about his 5 reasons.. but i do agree with availability... there are more 981 GT4 available now.. Then he talks about the sound.. well the 718 GT4 has the 4.0L NA with sport exhaust as standard - which is loud.. and it has similar sound with the similar rev range.. .. Then the soul.. well, 718S were comparable to the 981 GT4 with the new chassis geometry, power delivery, and steering response, and motortrend and car and driver even favored the 718 S as much , if not, more capable car compared to the GT4.. The other thing i can agree is that 981 GT4 is the original GT4.. thats all.. Other than that.. The 718 GT4 is completely a great successor of the 981 GT4.. then.. ther's the GT4 RS...
I love the Cayman, particularly the GT4, especially the 981 GT4! You'll like these 2 videos in particular!! ruclips.net/video/Zqz5Kcz8dzY/видео.html ruclips.net/video/puqA3ihM8qI/видео.html
Agree with all points apart from the Original point. It’s not a 911. The importance of it being the ‘original GT4’ is a mental comfort blanket of white noise drowning out thoughts of wishing one had the very latest model. Nobody is buying a 981GT4 just because it was the original and I highly doubt, even in 30 years time, such a desire would exist for a 981GT4 as say, (30 years on since) a 930 Turbo.
I waited until the 718 spec was released before I bought a 981. There are two main reasons. Firstly there isn't a huge difference between the two cars. The 718 has a bit more power but a bit more weight too. Secondly they didn't improve the gear ratios, which are the biggest complaint around the GT4. The rest is subjective, although most agree that the older car sounds better. Personally I prefer the looks of the 981, in particular the rear. Having seen the crazy speculating on the 718, buying a lightly used 981 is a wiser move. If you can find a 981 with an extended warranty, why pay the premium for a 718? A lot went on the market due to the arrival of the new car, but I think prices will hold. The 981 will never be a sub £50k car. The fact that it is the original GT4 shouldn't bother owners or collectors for decades to come, and when that happens, we'll all be driving advanced milk floats. For now it's better to just enjoy these cars whilst we still can.
Yeti thanks for your reply. I highly doubt a 981GT4 would never drop below £50k. People said that about the Porsche 930 through to the Lamborghini Miura. I don’t think the 981GT4 would then remain sub £50k forevermore, but one day 981GT4’s ‘for some period of time’ will certainly be 40/50k. I think 40k is probably the lowest they’d go, maybe 30. If you can get a 981 GTS for £5k (inevitable, in same way earlier Cayman models now go for a grand or two) then the 981GT4 can’t command a 1000% difference.
@@julian987r4 When a car is made in such limited numbers, is a great car that appeals to enthusiasts and is the first in a (possibly) long line of GT4 models to come, it should always demand a premium. Look at 1M prices. They peaked a couple of years ago due to speculators but have now levelled off at around £40k, whilst M2 prices have bombed and fallen further every time an updated model is released. I can see a similar thing happening with the 718 GT4, especially now the GTS 4.0 is here, then the GT4 PDK and the GT4 RS. If a 1M can command £40k+, then a GT4 should never drop below that sort of price. I guess none of us know the future but it's fun to try to predict these things. I'm expecting around £12k depreciation of a 981 GT4 over the next 3 years, from around £67k to £55k.
Right Max Revs I have to defend us 718 owners. 5 reasons why the 718 GT4 is better than the 981 GT4: 1) Much better engine. More modern, more fuel efficient and less emissions- but we don't care about that. We do care about that incredible flat torque curve, linear power power delivery and instant response. Sorry 981, that lumpy low down torque curve is not fun, especially with the long gearing. 2) Substantially faster around a track (12 seconds quicker around the ring Vs a 981 GT4). This is not because of the slight extra power, it's because of the 113 improvements to the chassis, suspension, and other technical advancements I don't understand. But together they make it a much more capable driving car with noticeably improved steering precision and handling. 3) You can buy a new one and spec it exactly how you want. You also get warranty and other benefits of a new car. 4) Modern updated technology and car infotainment system. New PCM with Apple car play and remote connection control is a good update. 5) Subjectively it's a better looking, sharper, design. The interior is a little nicer too. Bonus reason 6) The price of a 981 GT4 is about to drop now a 6cyl is back in the 718. If you buy one now thinking it will hold these high residues get ready for disappointment.
I disagree. On track or on a spirited road drive, I can't see a torque curve difference being very noticeable as you'll be in the +5k RPM power band most of the time. 'The Ring' time difference will be largely due to tyre technology improvements in the last 5 years and 12 seconds might sound like a lot but unless you're a Pro driver then you'll probably never notice the difference around an average UK track and especially not on the road. If you buy a 981 GT4 from a Porsche dealer then you'll get a 2 year warrantee anyway which is more than enough for most owner cycles The slight tech upgrades are quite insignificant in a driver focused car The 718 GT4 does look better in some areas but if either the 718 or 981 drove past then you'd struggle to notice the difference The 981 GT4 prices are at a low right now just like the whole luxury used car market. It's also not the season for buying a sports car and there are more available at the moment due to some 981 GT4 owners moving into the 718 GT4. They will not drop significantly IMOA and I believe they will be a modern classic in the near future. I'd rather pay £75k for a 981 GT4 with 5000 miles on the clock and 2 years warrantee than £110k for a 'flipped' 718 GT4. The 'improvements' simply aren't worth the extra money and the 981 GT4 will always sound better for those seeking a stock car.
@@dommo9056 Some good view points there. As an owner the design differences seem quite large, however I appreciate that is biased as I'm so familiar with the car. The average non petrol head can't tell the difference between a Cayman and a 911.
@@simonbussey7530 I'm also an owner and a massive petrol head and so feel I could quite easily tell the difference, but most people who haven't owned one or looked closely at the differences in advance, would struggle (except maybe the rear)
Porsche is using a tuned version of the 981 motor for the 718 GT4 clubsport. If they truly had faith in the new 4.0L it would be in the race car, but that aren’t. It’s an unproven commodity. A simple GIAC tune basically brings the 3.8 hp to current GT4 levels. As for lap times, Porsche even stated that the majority of the lap time difference was due to the Cup Sport 2 NO1’s, something that can be fitted to any GT4.
Absolutely trite comments. The 718 is based off the same platform not like the 981 is this great analogue car and is far superior in every aspect except stock exhaust which is easily remedied. Usual 981 whining to defend their precious cars. Get over it. The 718 is a better car. Doesn't mean you need to love your car any less.
Come on, let's balance the argument. 718 has its strength. 1. Availability: does not make a car better :) 2. Cost: does not make a car better :) 3. sound: yes 981 wins 4. Original: hmm, the 718 is original 5. character: naa, too subjective. You should drive a 20 year old.
The GPF is not the main issue with the 718. There's so many things they changed and it has toned the car down a lot. The 981 GT4 is not very fast, but it always brings a smile to my face - even this past Tuesday on track when the clutch finally let go lol. Did get boring waiting for a tow truck to get me home.
Not even one of these arguments hold up …… The advantage is the price and the fact you can get one here and now. But that doesn’t make it a better car …… lovely car - both of them 😁
Hi, it’s just opinions. We also had a video on this channel where a 718 GT4 owner said his car was better than a 981 GT4. Sadly we had to take that video down for the owner’s privacy. Hoping to put that back up one day.
Oh for sure, technically the 718 GT4 is faster on the ring with the aero tricks. No debate there. I wasn’t too sure which aspect you were disagreeing with in the video. It’s each to their own. I prefer the styling on the 718 GT4. I prefer the cabin engine noise of the 981 GT4 and the exhaust. Sure an exhaust mod and removing the PPF will make the 718 GT4 louder, however the characteristic sound has changed. No right or wrong, just preferences. As we age, and speaking with Eddie off camera, there is an emotional angle too which is entirely subjective. This channel respects all factual and emotional opinions within reason. Just a shame the inverse of this video had to be taken down😭 where a 718 GT4 owner says why he prefers his over the 981 GT4 he also owns!!
As a 718 owner I've researched exhausts. It's the engine that makes the sound, not the exhaust. After market exhausts can make it louder but they don't make it nice! Indeed a lot of them just add drone.
Can’t believe people actually saying 718 isn’t the better car obviously don’t have a clue about cars lol the only thing is the exhaust because of new laws just Change the exhaust simple
This video is laughably bad. The 981 can't hold a candle to the GTS 4.0, let alone the GT4. The 981 motor is garbage. Nothing up top, no torque, just a Carrera S motor stuffed into a Cayman. The GPF's removed is all it takes to get the sound correct on the 718, extremely simple mod. The 718 also doesn't blow 3rd gear out the back of the transmission. Sorry, but the 4.0 is LEAPS and bounds better than the 3.8.
@@Speedking2022UK That's not important. What is important, is what you think you gain by asking that random question of yours. Why did you ask about his Porsche ownership? What is the relevance when the video depicts a GT4 owner who gives his view on why he thinks the 718 version is not as good, which is what the video is about? Rather than wasting my time with some pedantic and petulant rebuttal, answer what I asked you.
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Really appreciate this vid and the opinion. I think I’ve decided to pull the trigger on a 981 👍
Did ya get one?
I own both cars and there isn't any doubt that 718 is the better car. We are all disappointed how it sounds but we know the reason. I don't like to modify cars but when akrapovic releases the exhaust kit I will go for it.
Hang tight for the next video on this channel releasing tonight. You'll like it ;-)
Seeing that you own both, what is your thought on the fact that Porsche basically just released a GT4 "Lite" with the GTS having the 4.0 and is basically a small tune away from GT4 power? Honestly I think it is horrible thing on their end honestly and that the GT4 should have 440hp and not just 420hp. The GTS should not basically be a GT4 with less aero.
Rubedo Alaberti already own the 981 GT4. I don’t plan on moving on to the 718 honestly. I’ll either upgrade to a GT3 or tune the GT4 with a 4.5 upgrade
@@cdres74 The GT owners never had the engine power as their first priority...In my opinion the 718 GTS 4.0 isn't a GT car with less aero. It shares only the engine but the steering, brakes and the setup is a completly different story. Consider that even the 718 2.5 GTS is a way faster car than the 981 GT4 in a real world but nobody cares...They don't want to see the prices of the 718 GT4 going up, they want to have a 'similar' product to cover the demand...In my heart the 981 GT4 is the special one but not the better one...
With all due respect, can I ask how you grew your wealth to be able to own both cars and a home? Young 20 smth year old here. ...
I currently have 981 GT4. 981 Boxster GTS. 718 Cayman GTS 4.0. 987 Boxster Spyder. Formerly 2016 Aprilla Factory Tuono V4. Formerly 981 Boxster Spyder. 964 Targa
As we “progress” we are losing the soul. For me the sound is the music. Anyone can drive a 650 HP car fast on straight road. This gentleman has said it best.
You own *ALL* those cars currently? That’s every generation of Cayman… if so that’s great you’ve managed to do this! A reminder what hydraulic steering feels like, a reminder of how “real” pedals felt before it got too soft. I have a VW ID3 loan car at the moment… 😭
Nice collection! (no 911? You've resisted the marketing and social pressure? ;) -- how would you say it feels going from 981 GTS to a 718 Spyder? I drove a 718 GTS 4.0 and... it kinda disappointed me on the sound!
He is right, a sports car should look like and sound like a sports car.
A sportscar should first and foremost drive and feel like a sportscar. I prefer my 981 GT4 over the 718 GT4, but there's a lot of reasons for that, and the most important is how the car drives. If for instance being loud was everything, I would argue that a Ferrari 458 was a better spotscar than a 488, but that is so far from being the case, that one could easily think they were a lot less related than they actually are. The most important thing about the 981 is the fact that it connects you so much better with the car than the 718 does. The 718 does not leave you feeling detached, you'll need a Taycan Turbo S for an actual detached feeling, but it does not communicate as well as the 981 GT4 did.
Ordered a 718 from the dealer 3 months ago awaiting delivery end of October, and paid 134,000 CAD.
Congrats. Rumour has it the new 718 deliveries sound better, possibly updated GPF?
i completely agree with this man. a sportscar doesn't have to be the fastest, but it definitely has to have soul and character.
I bought my 981 primarily based on sound. That was the first in my list, manual, and has the character almost no other car has. I agree with all 5 of your reasons.
Even with stock exhaust, the 981 GT4 is absolutely brilliant sounding.
Hi is the exhaust on his GT4 all stock? sounds great
Auto Fanatic You have good ears. Eddie has Fabspeed headers fitted.
Alright, come on now. Apples to Apples. Let's wait until Eddie has driven a 718 GT4 with headers and maybe a straight pipe and then we'll see how many times he uses the word "soulless" and gets away with it. I get it, both the 3.4 and 3.8 sounded very sweet and the pitch was quite different compared to the new 4.0 liter. But I think a lot of that has to do with the particulate filters. The jury is still out here and the 4.0 has yet to be really aurally unleashed. Besides, if you're spending that much on a car, 4 year old 981 vs brand new 718, the factory warranty is equal to a lot of soul. I'm thinking gearbox issues and possible front strut tower failures.
Just wait for the next video on this channel ;-)
@@jjaisli it's the PPF (petrol particulate filter) that kills the sound. Not so much the exhaust. Unfortunately you can't just remove it without changing engine management software. When Porsche added the PPF to the 2019 regular 718 the old remaps stopped working properly as the PPF has such an effect on the engine management.
@@simonbussey7530 Well, we're still waiting for US Spec cars here in North America and it remains to be seen if Porsche will remove them completely for this market and if the car will sound any different. Time will tell.
I think the GT4 981 is an amazing car but here is why the GT4 718 is a better car:
1. Engine is better.
2. Front end is more direct.
3. More comfortable to drive, better chassis setup.
4. Looks better.
5. More low end torque.
These are all the benefits the GT3 991.2 had over the GT3 991.1 and it was a better car. I'm just glad my car is arriving with a non EU exhaust system setup. Just heard it a few days ago and it sounds amazing!
I’m making the flip side video to this atm. Why the 718 GT4 is better than the 981 GT4😁
@@MAXREVS Oh no, hope I didn't ruin it. 😊
Better engine? Then why is the 718 Clubsport model sticking with a tuned 3.8L 981 engine? Faster around a track? Mostly the Cup Sport 2 N01’s, which you can mount on any GT4. A few aero tweaks are the only main thing.
993mike It’s the engine that race companies are more familiar with and it’s cheaper to maintain and replace during the GT4 Cup and other competitions.
Do you have any actual 981 GT4 experience? All of your points are not only subjective, they are in fact what makes the GT4 the GT4.
The 981 GT4 is for all intended purposes quite comfortable, very much so in fact. But there needs to be a limit for the car to do what it does. More direct front end? Not even close. Gear ratio is way off and there's far from the same sense of torque in the 718. Neither are very fast, but the 981 GT4 is a faster car on a twisty track. I had a friend of mine who's a very good Radical Cup and Challenge driver, chase me in my GT4 and I was in a Pista. He managed to keep up on a twisty track like Sturup Raceway. I was chasing a 718 this past Tuesday on the same track driven by a very decent driver, and I didn't even have to work to keep up. When I was past him, there was no competition and it was impossible for the 718 GT4 to keep up.
It has grown soft, fat, and slower by comparison. You may not like it, but that's the truth. I could care less as I can purchase a 718 if I please, but I see no point as it's not as special and it's not as fast on track.
I agree completely that the the 981GT4 is the better car. Albeit some of my reasons are the same (much better sound and character) but some are different: it is lighter (better for tyres and better for economy more of this next and better for maintenance as it is free of cumbersome plumbing-numbing tech), it is more economical (it does matter if one uses it regularly and for trans-cont trips that some of us do), and it has a rock solid engine whose reliability is completely and totally beyond reproach - nobody can say the same about the new 4 litre engine still in its infancy. And then comes the performance: on a straight line the cars are matched and on a track about 75% of the 781 GT4 advantaged is due to its more advanced rubber as Porsche has admitted. Fit both cars with the same rubber and it will be the drivers’ skills and only these making the difference over a lap. This for cars similarly equipped as a 981 with PCCB and the same rubber will lick the life out of a 781 on a track. And least not forget the 981 GT4 can have its aero switched to higher downforce by opening the front ducts and change the angle on the rear wing - I am not sure if one can do the same on the 781. To me the 981 GT4 wins this easily and over time I am convinced it will be the car that will retain its value better or appreciate more.
I think I’ll take 981 for almost $40k cheaper lol
The big problem is that Porsche was too complacent with this “upgrade”. I’ve owned a 981 model since new, just as a buddy of mine has, and the ONLY things we wanted changed were shorter gearing, and at least 450hp. We didn’t get either, so neither of us is opting for an allocation on the new one, which sucks. As 991 GT3 prices drop, I’ll probably go that route instead, even though I prefer a mid-engine car.
I own a 981 gts since 2015, as a street car 340hp are more then enough.
@@nakekygt954 As a 981 GT4 owner with 385 bhp, I tend to say you're not entirely right. It is still one of the most fun cars I have, but straight line speed is not its strong point. A heavier GTS with an even taller gear and less power, that does not sound very fast.
All fair points Eddie but as you rightly say, it’s each to their own. By the way, I’m glad my Cayman isn’t the only one that’s in need of a wash.
goog grief...that sound is fantastic!
I agree that the 981 is the more visceral experience. The 718 is a more precise weapon though. The argument that the 981 was the first GT4 is a bit of a moot point seeing as the 718 will be the last combustion engine GT4.
The point about the character of the car is real. All the reviews concur that whilst the new car is refreshed… it has become a more mainstream/softer offering and therefore loses some of its soul and character. Having driven both I can agree… the 718 GT4 felt much like I’d expect a GTS model to feel so for most people there will be no difference between a 718 GT4 and 718 GTS. 981 GT4 has a clear personality of its own.… it is slightly rawer, and less compromising. I actually found that the 718 Spyder I drove was more similar to the 981 GT4, than the 718 GT4 was to the 981 GT4.
Might I add, this applies to the GTS as well
Just bought a 981 GT4. Everything I hoped it would be. 718 is too expensive and the sound is nowhere near as good.
SO HAPPY FOR YOU😃👍🏼 They got it right first time! Congratulations. If you ever want to put together a short video on the car I would be more than happy to showcase it here, as many other Cayman owners have already done so. We 😍 Caymans here!!
Sweet. Just keep an eye on the clutch and keep in mind that some time in thee future, you WILL have to replace the clutch. But it's a wear part after all.
with good exhaust the sound is better than 981 imo.
I couldn't agree more with you well done. That's my next car.
I’ve just sold my 991 Speedster and bought a 981 GT4. No regrets whatsoever. The 981 is more fun on the road (as you’re not shit scared by the value), can be enjoyed without fear of every 1k miles losing you £10k in depreciation, more fun on the road as it’s not too fast but fast enough and it’s the perfect size. Very happy with my GT4 and £220k in change! I’ve also experienced the 718 GT4 and would choose the 981 every time. In a few years I really think we’ll see values even out.
Very happy for you and an interesting “downgrade” that some people might call it… however we all know on this channel the merits of the Cayman. The 981 GT4 is such a cracker I even got one myself😜 though in my case I was adding money on top of my previous car. Last I checked I’m close to adding 4k miles in under 1 year of ownership. Good point you made on mileage depreciation (which is nuts). No point owning these cars if you’re too scared to enjoy them and put miles on…
He makes some great points. I feel the same about Italian motorcycles. Especially Ducati motorcycles. They run hot and are a little expensive. They have a dry clutch sound but it all adds to the character of the machine. I feel as though I am riding a baby grand through traffic and everyone from the avid fan to the purist turns their head and drools.
Doctor K I know where you’re coming from. Maybe it’s an age thing, or a personal characteristic. Sometimes it isn’t about the spec sheet of the product, newer and “better”, isn’t always better for the end consumer. Each to their own though, and I respect all views. We each have a journey to make through time.
Totally agree I’m lucky enough to have best of both with a Ducati. 899 panigale and sat in the garage next to it is a ultra low mileage 999S. Dry clutch sound is amazing in my opinion
Great points, all well stated. We selected the 981 GT4 over the 718 GT4 for our garage for many of the same reasons. One of the most important reasons we can identify with is the 981 GT4 "feels" special and has amazing indescribable character. The 718 GT4 is better "on paper," but it feels more sterile and too well mannered for our liking. However, we are looking foward to a possible rumored 718 GT4RS. Liked and subscribed.
Tracking Ponies Thanks for your feedback. You might like this livestream we did a few days ago as we’re in lockdown - ruclips.net/video/K99iIUfCWEk/видео.html
Just like the BMW 1M vs every version of BMW M2 to infinity... all of the later versions, despite being technologically better, can't match the character and feel of the original.
Fair enough, that's why you should buy a Spyder, it's the first true GT Spyder. The earlier versions have been great cars, but not from the GT bloodline.
A bit of an oddball comparison, because the first M1 was a bit of a strange car. Can't say it made me feel much of anything and I'm a huge M3 fanatic.
Porsche just got it! I am pikcking mine up soon!
I have a 2016 GT4 which I and selling for the new 718 GT4 Spyder. Why you ask? I crave a convertible. I will miss my GT4. If I had the space I wouldn't be selling it. She will be missed.
What are the ceramic brakes like around town... I've heard they as squeaky..? Thanks in advance
I’ll let an owner with PCCBs answer fully. From my point of view, every GT4 I have driven with PCCBs produces squeals of sorts, particularly noticeable at low speeds. I also found the initial bite quite grabby, but I guess you adjust your foot pressure to get used to them.
@@MAXREVS well how very decent and courteous of you to reply, it is appreciated. Love your work,kind regards from New Zealand
You’re more than welcome. If you want me to share more on the PCCBs, and I’m just re-telling stories from other people… if you have PCCBs on your car I’d always opt to get tyres fitted at OPC or a reputable specialist. Why? When you remove the wheels, you have to be super careful not to clip the PCCBs. They can easily be damaged by the weight of a wheel clipping the edge of the disc and damaging it. When having to replace PCCBs they only come in pairs, so that’s around £8k GBP. The reason I mentioned get work done at OPC? There was this story of a guy who was driving in Europe, got a flat and had to get a tyre replaced. Used a local shop with no specialist training or equipment. In taking the wheel off they clipped his PCCB and didn’t accept responsibility for the damage, causing the owner serious headache.
I agree in all 5 points 100% 🙏🥰💥👍
Really well said, about covers exactly how I feel about my 981 GT4. Thanks.
Eddie was SO convincing he even got ME to buy a 981 GT4!
981 sounds so good.
Max, the first gen GT4 definitely is a great vehicle, but now that you own the 718 GT4 perhaps it's time to revisit this topic. From another 718 GT4 owner. Enjoying your channel, and your journey...
Hello there, slight correction, I own a 981 GT4
@@MAXREVS Ok. I stand corrected. Go ahead and trade for the right car Max. Just kidding, enjoy...
Comparing the 718 GT4 against the 981 GT4 is like comparing Da Vinci against Einstein… who was smarter? The real question is, compared to the average population, they were BOTH miles ahead of everyone else.
Completely agree. The 718 GT4 moves the game on... technically. But don't think it is a noticeably quicker car or delivers the same experience. £100k to spend on a NA Porsche? 991.1 Gt3 over a 718 GT4 - different league!
I agree the sound is extremely important! I will take the original GT4 over the 718 GT4 today and everyday!
It depends on which country are you in. Outside of Europe, 718 GT4 sounds better than 981 since there is no emission regulation.
@@truewarrior0978 you say it with such confidence, I hope you are right. It really should be a better car all around! After all it is the newer car. I wish they can figure out a way to keep the noise and control the emissions!
@@jai2256 Oh yes I am not just guessing, I saw a video few days ago that a new gt4 was delivered to Cape town, sounds like a completely different car, a bit like 981. I said "outside of Europe" might be inaccurate, here in Canada we are not sure yet what kind of model will be delivered!
Excellent points, and very well stated. Especially point 4, which I hadn’t considered before. I am so tempted by the upcoming GT4RS and 992 GT3, but I would hate to let my 981 GT4 go. It’s really a special car.
Have you actually been offered a GT4RS? Many people couldn’t buy a GT4 based on their relationship with their dealer, i.e. how much money they had spent in the past (read this as not enough). I suspect many GT4 owners will not be offered a GT4RS...
No, I haven't approached my dealer about a spot on the list, so it's probably too late anyway... :)
Well you never know until you try😁... don’t want to come across as pessimistic.
Less is more for street . More is better for track. So it all depends where you drive it. No track... you can argue cayman R is the best. Indeed having the most capable car is psychologically satisfying if that is your cup of tea.
Well said
That really depends on the car. Take a Ferrari F8 vs. a Pista. On the street, the F8 is by far the faster car, but on track there's no comparison and the Pista leaves the F8 for dead. But the nature of the cars mean that you cannot drive a Pista as fast on road as you can an F8, and the opposite goes for the track. A GT4 Club would be a horrible car on the street, but cream the GT4 on track.
Porsche always makes the newer models BETTER.
You definitely have the correct moniker, airbag. I have both cars and the video is spot on. How many of these cars have you owned?
Is this a joke? Next up, 10 reason why the 718 GT4 is better than the 981 GT4. We don't get particulate filters in the US, so sound isn't going to be an issue for me.
Jonas Schy Hi there, we did exactly that! At the same time we published this video, we published a video from a 718 GT4 owner, saying how much better the 718 is compared to the 981 GT4. However the owner has requested that video be taken down for a while... You’re right, we haven’t heard the best of the 718 GT4 yet. Search for a video on YT where a guy in South Africa has the 718 GT4 without the PPF. Sounds awesome! This is before Soul Performance and Fabspeed have their ways with the exhaust and headers!!
Availability and Cost have normalized. 981 Now ~105 and 718 ~130
Sound still goes to the 981, but I think you can fix 718 sound with exhaust modification
981 will always be the original GT4- still true, but this is not as significant now as it was when this video was made. Now that future Caymans have been announced as electric, the 718 will always be the LAST/FASTEST gas GT4
Character/Soul still as valid as before, but subjective. I've never driven a 718 so idk personally.
Just put on an exhaust and the 718 sounds like the 981. So the 718 is better in every way
Max I still believe the 981 GTS with PDK is the best cayman out there. Can be used anytime anywhere. Comfortable and more than quick enough for 99% of drivers. Uk isn't suitable for full on GT cars.
im not quite sure about his 5 reasons.. but i do agree with availability... there are more 981 GT4 available now.. Then he talks about the sound.. well the 718 GT4 has the 4.0L NA with sport exhaust as standard - which is loud.. and it has similar sound with the similar rev range.. .. Then the soul.. well, 718S were comparable to the 981 GT4 with the new chassis geometry, power delivery, and steering response, and motortrend and car and driver even favored the 718 S as much , if not, more capable car compared to the GT4..
The other thing i can agree is that 981 GT4 is the original GT4.. thats all..
Other than that.. The 718 GT4 is completely a great successor of the 981 GT4.. then.. ther's the GT4 RS...
Side by side you really hear a difference.
You have another subscriber!!! I love the 981 gt4, hope to get my hands in one of those.
I love the Cayman, particularly the GT4, especially the 981 GT4! You'll like these 2 videos in particular!!
ruclips.net/video/Zqz5Kcz8dzY/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/puqA3ihM8qI/видео.html
@@MAXREVS thanks!!
I just dont get it. Buy exhaust for the 718 and you are good to go. Even opf less is possible max a tune will be neccessary afterwards
Agree with all points apart from the Original point. It’s not a 911. The importance of it being the ‘original GT4’ is a mental comfort blanket of white noise drowning out thoughts of wishing one had the very latest model. Nobody is buying a 981GT4 just because it was the original and I highly doubt, even in 30 years time, such a desire would exist for a 981GT4 as say, (30 years on since) a 930 Turbo.
I waited until the 718 spec was released before I bought a 981. There are two main reasons. Firstly there isn't a huge difference between the two cars. The 718 has a bit more power but a bit more weight too. Secondly they didn't improve the gear ratios, which are the biggest complaint around the GT4. The rest is subjective, although most agree that the older car sounds better. Personally I prefer the looks of the 981, in particular the rear. Having seen the crazy speculating on the 718, buying a lightly used 981 is a wiser move. If you can find a 981 with an extended warranty, why pay the premium for a 718? A lot went on the market due to the arrival of the new car, but I think prices will hold. The 981 will never be a sub £50k car. The fact that it is the original GT4 shouldn't bother owners or collectors for decades to come, and when that happens, we'll all be driving advanced milk floats. For now it's better to just enjoy these cars whilst we still can.
Yeti thanks for your reply. I highly doubt a 981GT4 would never drop below £50k. People said that about the Porsche 930 through to the Lamborghini Miura. I don’t think the 981GT4 would then remain sub £50k forevermore, but one day 981GT4’s ‘for some period of time’ will certainly be 40/50k. I think 40k is probably the lowest they’d go, maybe 30. If you can get a 981 GTS for £5k (inevitable, in same way earlier Cayman models now go for a grand or two) then the 981GT4 can’t command a 1000% difference.
🤣Love the milk floats reference👍🏼
@@julian987r4 When a car is made in such limited numbers, is a great car that appeals to enthusiasts and is the first in a (possibly) long line of GT4 models to come, it should always demand a premium. Look at 1M prices. They peaked a couple of years ago due to speculators but have now levelled off at around £40k, whilst M2 prices have bombed and fallen further every time an updated model is released. I can see a similar thing happening with the 718 GT4, especially now the GTS 4.0 is here, then the GT4 PDK and the GT4 RS. If a 1M can command £40k+, then a GT4 should never drop below that sort of price. I guess none of us know the future but it's fun to try to predict these things. I'm expecting around £12k depreciation of a 981 GT4 over the next 3 years, from around £67k to £55k.
the sound of 718 is good from 3800rpm..
JUST GET AN EXHAUST!
Right Max Revs I have to defend us 718 owners. 5 reasons why the 718 GT4 is better than the 981 GT4:
1) Much better engine. More modern, more fuel efficient and less emissions- but we don't care about that. We do care about that incredible flat torque curve, linear power power delivery and instant response. Sorry 981, that lumpy low down torque curve is not fun, especially with the long gearing.
2) Substantially faster around a track (12 seconds quicker around the ring Vs a 981 GT4). This is not because of the slight extra power, it's because of the 113 improvements to the chassis, suspension, and other technical advancements I don't understand. But together they make it a much more capable driving car with noticeably improved steering precision and handling.
3) You can buy a new one and spec it exactly how you want. You also get warranty and other benefits of a new car.
4) Modern updated technology and car infotainment system. New PCM with Apple car play and remote connection control is a good update.
5) Subjectively it's a better looking, sharper, design. The interior is a little nicer too.
Bonus reason 6) The price of a 981 GT4 is about to drop now a 6cyl is back in the 718. If you buy one now thinking it will hold these high residues get ready for disappointment.
Hehehe, nice comments. Just wait for the next video to drop mate!!
I disagree.
On track or on a spirited road drive, I can't see a torque curve difference being very noticeable as you'll be in the +5k RPM power band most of the time.
'The Ring' time difference will be largely due to tyre technology improvements in the last 5 years and 12 seconds might sound like a lot but unless you're a Pro driver then you'll probably never notice the difference around an average UK track and especially not on the road.
If you buy a 981 GT4 from a Porsche dealer then you'll get a 2 year warrantee anyway which is more than enough for most owner cycles
The slight tech upgrades are quite insignificant in a driver focused car
The 718 GT4 does look better in some areas but if either the 718 or 981 drove past then you'd struggle to notice the difference
The 981 GT4 prices are at a low right now just like the whole luxury used car market. It's also not the season for buying a sports car and there are more available at the moment due to some 981 GT4 owners moving into the 718 GT4. They will not drop significantly IMOA and I believe they will be a modern classic in the near future. I'd rather pay £75k for a 981 GT4 with 5000 miles on the clock and 2 years warrantee than £110k for a 'flipped' 718 GT4. The 'improvements' simply aren't worth the extra money and the 981 GT4 will always sound better for those seeking a stock car.
@@dommo9056 Some good view points there. As an owner the design differences seem quite large, however I appreciate that is biased as I'm so familiar with the car. The average non petrol head can't tell the difference between a Cayman and a 911.
@@simonbussey7530 I'm also an owner and a massive petrol head and so feel I could quite easily tell the difference, but most people who haven't owned one or looked closely at the differences in advance, would struggle (except maybe the rear)
Porsche is using a tuned version of the 981 motor for the 718 GT4 clubsport. If they truly had faith in the new 4.0L it would be in the race car, but that aren’t. It’s an unproven commodity. A simple GIAC tune basically brings the 3.8 hp to current GT4 levels. As for lap times, Porsche even stated that the majority of the lap time difference was due to the Cup Sport 2 NO1’s, something that can be fitted to any GT4.
Sound is important that’s why electric sports cars will be a waste of time
What is the point of blocking out the license plate number? If someone wants to find you they'll find you.
Absolutely trite comments. The 718 is based off the same platform not like the 981 is this great analogue car and is far superior in every aspect except stock exhaust which is easily remedied. Usual 981 whining to defend their precious cars. Get over it. The 718 is a better car. Doesn't mean you need to love your car any less.
His continual hand slapping his leg ruined the entire interview.
Good points however if he carries on slapping his ffffffing leg he's gonna get clots in his system ffs,,,, really annoying to watch that man
Basically, sound.
money talks, bs walks.
Come on, let's balance the argument. 718 has its strength.
1. Availability: does not make a car better :)
2. Cost: does not make a car better :)
3. sound: yes 981 wins
4. Original: hmm, the 718 is original
5. character: naa, too subjective. You should drive a 20 year old.
it really isn't the modern 718 is hampered by particulate filters an easy fix. its called live in america!
The GPF is not the main issue with the 718. There's so many things they changed and it has toned the car down a lot. The 981 GT4 is not very fast, but it always brings a smile to my face - even this past Tuesday on track when the clutch finally let go lol. Did get boring waiting for a tow truck to get me home.
718 looks nicer, easier to live with, better handling and performance plus it has a PDK. So, engine note aside, better than its 981 predecessor..
Why did you get a 718 then? Cheers from Italy!
Not even one of these arguments hold up …… The advantage is the price and the fact you can get one here and now. But that doesn’t make it a better car …… lovely car - both of them 😁
you just have to change the exhaust line on the new gt4 and throw way the FAP... this comparaison is for haters who can t afford the new one
Hi, it’s just opinions. We also had a video on this channel where a 718 GT4 owner said his car was better than a 981 GT4. Sadly we had to take that video down for the owner’s privacy. Hoping to put that back up one day.
MAX REVS when you go faster by 10 seconds to the Nurb, it is not an opinion, it is a fact
Oh for sure, technically the 718 GT4 is faster on the ring with the aero tricks. No debate there. I wasn’t too sure which aspect you were disagreeing with in the video. It’s each to their own. I prefer the styling on the 718 GT4. I prefer the cabin engine noise of the 981 GT4 and the exhaust. Sure an exhaust mod and removing the PPF will make the 718 GT4 louder, however the characteristic sound has changed. No right or wrong, just preferences. As we age, and speaking with Eddie off camera, there is an emotional angle too which is entirely subjective. This channel respects all factual and emotional opinions within reason. Just a shame the inverse of this video had to be taken down😭 where a 718 GT4 owner says why he prefers his over the 981 GT4 he also owns!!
David Alexandre not everything is about money you pretentious douche bag!
Barnaby Webber jealous guy
Eddie knows, hahahahaha! :)
Your turn to list 5 reasons next😜
@@MAXREVS I struggle to even count to 5!
The 718 GTS with an aftermarket exhaust is better than all of them 😜
MagicAyrtonforever TBD. Would love to hear it! Assuming you mean the 4.0?
As a 718 owner I've researched exhausts. It's the engine that makes the sound, not the exhaust. After market exhausts can make it louder but they don't make it nice! Indeed a lot of them just add drone.
It really does sound like the 981 boys getting very defensive over the new kid on the block :)
That can't be the stock exhaust. Can it?
He’s got Fabspeed headers.
Has Eddie tracked his 981?
Let's hope so. Otherwise sell it.
Can’t believe people actually saying 718 isn’t the better car obviously don’t have a clue about cars lol the only thing is the exhaust because of new laws just Change the exhaust simple
If only you could get a 718 GT4😜
I agree with you this guy ain’t got a clue needs to test drive fords instead
You don’t have a clue either...
SixPotShot really what do u know u dont even own a Porsche
MAX REVS 🤣🤣🤣 not long now bro 8 more weeks to wait
Seemed to of upset a couple of people on here keep your knickers on ladies x
This video is laughably bad. The 981 can't hold a candle to the GTS 4.0, let alone the GT4. The 981 motor is garbage. Nothing up top, no torque, just a Carrera S motor stuffed into a Cayman. The GPF's removed is all it takes to get the sound correct on the 718, extremely simple mod. The 718 also doesn't blow 3rd gear out the back of the transmission. Sorry, but the 4.0 is LEAPS and bounds better than the 3.8.
Do you actually own any Porsche maybe not !!!
What are you on about? He's talking to a 981 GT4 owner about his experiences. He's very much on point.
ABOlsen80X whos asking you
@@Speedking2022UK
That's not important. What is important, is what you think you gain by asking that random question of yours. Why did you ask about his Porsche ownership? What is the relevance when the video depicts a GT4 owner who gives his view on why he thinks the 718 version is not as good, which is what the video is about?
Rather than wasting my time with some pedantic and petulant rebuttal, answer what I asked you.
And since ownership is so important to you, which GT4 do you own? Mine is a blue 981.
@speed king. I own a Cayman 987.2 Sport and have done for over 3 years. I’ve also driven the 981 GT4 and 718 GT4...
718 is better IMO, except the sound
Why is it better? How long did you own your 981 GT4 before switching to your current 718 GT4?
🤮🤮🤮🤮