Yeah, have you heard about Elon's 'Hyperloop ' in 'Murica? That whole concept is about 50 years old, now being 're-developed' as very innovative. Und in Churmany, the U-Bahn and S-Bahn happened about 90 years ago, before WW II....(der Churman feiglings were hiding in dere during ze 'Murican 'carpet' Bombing of Hamburg , double benefit, built by der Engineers...) Are you are Connoisseur Consumer of public transport, or more of a Civil Engineer, mate?
Have to consider that Melbourne is a much bigger city than Auckland with an easier geography to deal with. The challenges of infrastructure projects like these are more nuanced than most people realize. Auckland is particularly difficult.
@ryanm3644 New Zealand often spends too much money on social programmes and consultants to give a rip about future proofing and efficient infrastructure.
It's not a choice. This rail doesn't represent 16 lanes of highway capacity because there is no infrastructure to get people on the rail. No decent size park and rides etc. This whole thing is a massive waste of money.
Why would you need car parks in the city centre for the train station? The point of this is transit, from out of the city center, to bring workers and customers to the businesses there. People have legs, they can walk the 5-10 min to their destination from the station
You've missed the point entirely, this project won't only allow more access points in the CBD but it will also double the capacity of the entire network, increase train speeds and frequencies and encourage investment along transit corridors and the CBD. The current price tag, while terribly high it was pretty much unavoidable due to covid and the lockdowns.
Given the amount of disruption to businesses due to the rail link build, why do they think building a rail link down Dominion Rd, is a good idea? There will be NO small businesses left!
You shouldn't assume circumstances will be the same for either project. Compensation is usually offered to make up for any losses due to construction of a project. But your thinking of the short term, it's terrible that businesses we're lost but eventually they do come back, especially after a big transport project like this, business always comes back. Tbh, short term losses are always expected with infrastructure projects everywhere, it's shit but it happens, when building infrastructure you always need to anticipate losses, whether it be retail or housing, but you need to be mindful of the longer term economic benefits.
@@rp7784 And those business that are lost, are lost. The business owners loss everything as many small business are geared with a loan against their home. Lets not forget most if all small business owners have no Kiwi Saver, their business is their Kiwi Saver. Your theory might seem wonderful on paper but in the cold light of day, many will go bust, and will never recover.
@@gavinivers8941it's not a theory, in the industry long term benefits are what takes precedence, not short term losses. The best they can do during infrastructure projects is offer compensation, or payments to the business owners, how they dealt with those around the CRL is poor process but don't assume the same for a different project. And even after that if businesses are lost then that's something that must be accepted because eventually business returns, it always happens after infrastructure projects are completed, it incentivises investment in the area and business always returns. If you were to scruple at delivering infrastructure projects because of business opposition then nothing would be built, they'll try and work with businesses as they can but there will be losses. It's not a theory it's a circumstance that every country has come to learn, but afterwards business always returns, infrastructure projects are good at attracting new investments to an area. Now with Auckland light rail, I would have preferred a street level option, but with what the government has planned it will increase density along the corridor, and give Public Transport access to thousands more people, and link up the transit network. It will also decrease congestion along the corridor and it's feeder routes, the Dominion Rd corridor is in need of serious investment and redevelopment, and that corridor is lacking in public transport considering it's one of the main corridors into the city.
This is still an impressive major infrastructure project. Brisbane is a far more populous city, and will be hosting the Olympics soon and therefore needs significant infrastructure improvements to cater for that, and the Australian economy can afford it. Why be negative and downplay this amazing project? New Zealander's used to be proud of their countries achievements.
@@almostbutnotentirelyunreas166 harbour bridge had toll booths on it to recover the money and remove the burden from tax payers. There is also an alternate rail line that already links Mt Eden to Britomart.
@@dave24-73 Thanks for making my point for me: User pays.....just like the rail once it's done. Do you an issue with providing Commuters with a choice of stations...not everyone lives close to the current rail line , you see.
@@theovanbooma8508 well now National are in and light rail support has been revoked the tunnel costs are likely to sky rocket. No more subsidies either. It’s going to be very interesting on how Auckland Mayor and Auckland Transport move forward with this project.
@@sevenhelmets they will, when it goes the way of the cycle lanes, doesn’t pay for itself and costs a fortune to maintain. It’s the wrong solution for Auckland. Maybe it can just act as a large storm water drain instead.
It's actually innovative and should have been done years ago. Look at Melbournes inner city loop and how it creates great movement in the much larger city of Victoria. Melbournes public transport system designed and heavily influenced off of Hong Kong public transport system. This is only the first step. Light rail will create the wynyard airport connect whilst more projects to hopefully connect the north shore should be on the way.
@@101hundred there is nothing innovative about it, we already have an existing rail link, this is a complete and utter waste of money when NZ is in a crisis. Over a billion per 1km is disgraceful waste when it isn’t needed. Innovate means new and different, there is nothing new about this at all, with many examples overseas.
@@101hundred note this isn’t a loop it’s a single direction and the start of trying to get better rail out west, the place where it floods the most, I’d rather see the money put into resolving the flooding at the moment. Ask yourself this at $5 each way so $10 a return trip, how many people and how many years will it take to pay this 3km rail back.
The CRL is ridiculously expensive but alot of that was unavoidable. It's not pointless, the CRL has a multitude of benefits, especially with Auckland's growing population. A link through the CBD will allow capacity, frequency and speed of the entire Network to double. It will incentivise urban development and intensification along transit corridors and access hub's. Increase the number of people who will have access to PT Provide more access points into the City Centre therefore move more people in and out of the CBD more efficiently. It will also open up corridors for the western line.
@@jimshady2264 Lol I have faced it, hence why I clearly have more knowledge behind the project than you. Buses are already congested along that corridor, they also have limited capacity compared to train's and they don't cover the route the rail network does, they also would not provide the benefits I have listed.
@@jimshady2264 Ahahaha never assume too early in a debate. I'm a transport and logistics expert that advised on the project, I've studied in Singapore and Germany and have worked across multiple transport projects so yes, I know what I'm talking about 😉
For comparision, the melbourne city loop was constructed around 1971. NZ is only around half a century behind.
Yeah, have you heard about Elon's 'Hyperloop ' in 'Murica? That whole concept is about 50 years old, now being 're-developed' as very innovative.
Und in Churmany, the U-Bahn and S-Bahn happened about 90 years ago, before WW II....(der Churman feiglings were hiding in dere during ze 'Murican 'carpet' Bombing of Hamburg , double benefit, built by der Engineers...)
Are you are Connoisseur Consumer of public transport, or more of a Civil Engineer, mate?
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Have to consider that Melbourne is a much bigger city than Auckland with an easier geography to deal with. The challenges of infrastructure projects like these are more nuanced than most people realize. Auckland is particularly difficult.
@ryanm3644 New Zealand often spends too much money on social programmes and consultants to give a rip about future proofing and efficient infrastructure.
And Melbourne had a million more people than Auckland does today in 1971. But bonus points for negativity.
Do you prefer 16 lanes of highway east, west and north of Auckland, or through rail tracks to Britomart Waitemata?
Rail
Rail
It's not a choice. This rail doesn't represent 16 lanes of highway capacity because there is no infrastructure to get people on the rail. No decent size park and rides etc.
This whole thing is a massive waste of money.
Why would you need car parks in the city centre for the train station? The point of this is transit, from out of the city center, to bring workers and customers to the businesses there. People have legs, they can walk the 5-10 min to their destination from the station
@@critical_alwaysits to increase frequency of rail services so the trains dont have to wait and turn at britomark
Thanks for the News!
Can't wait for this to be built until next year
Well done to all u workers very excellent job
Great Video, thanks for sharing
Just get it finished!
I heard this caused alot of new skyscrapers to delay now they have to wait till it's finished 😂 algood boys good to see it 💯🔥
About time Auckland has changed it’s good to make money for the economy to run the city
I wonder if this was built in the Victorian era like the London underground. I would have been finished years ago.
London at the time had the money, Aukland wouldn't have it unless the British were ready to have financial ruin just like the Kenyan railway.
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better than australian rail.
Hardly any business left nzwide.
Inside china's nu rail line awsome
Someone or group will get very rich off of this project.
Just be more cancelled trains,screwed up timestables ,bad service as per normal AT lol
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5 billion for a stretch of rail covering a short distance that I prefer to walk every day. Insane.
Yes, but that distance isn't the point. It's the people coming from suburbs and getting off at a station close to their destination.
You've missed the point entirely, this project won't only allow more access points in the CBD but it will also double the capacity of the entire network, increase train speeds and frequencies and encourage investment along transit corridors and the CBD.
The current price tag, while terribly high it was pretty much unavoidable due to covid and the lockdowns.
I have too c wat my boss says china wat say u nanny huia browns my baby train
Given the amount of disruption to businesses due to the rail link build, why do they think building a rail link down Dominion Rd, is a good idea?
There will be NO small businesses left!
You shouldn't assume circumstances will be the same for either project.
Compensation is usually offered to make up for any losses due to construction of a project.
But your thinking of the short term, it's terrible that businesses we're lost but eventually they do come back, especially after a big transport project like this, business always comes back.
Tbh, short term losses are always expected with infrastructure projects everywhere, it's shit but it happens, when building infrastructure you always need to anticipate losses, whether it be retail or housing, but you need to be mindful of the longer term economic benefits.
@@rp7784 And those business that are lost, are lost. The business owners loss everything as many small business are geared with a loan against their home. Lets not forget most if all small business owners have no Kiwi Saver, their business is their Kiwi Saver.
Your theory might seem wonderful on paper but in the cold light of day, many will go bust, and will never recover.
@@gavinivers8941it's not a theory, in the industry long term benefits are what takes precedence, not short term losses.
The best they can do during infrastructure projects is offer compensation, or payments to the business owners, how they dealt with those around the CRL is poor process but don't assume the same for a different project.
And even after that if businesses are lost then that's something that must be accepted because eventually business returns, it always happens after infrastructure projects are completed, it incentivises investment in the area and business always returns.
If you were to scruple at delivering infrastructure projects because of business opposition then nothing would be built, they'll try and work with businesses as they can but there will be losses.
It's not a theory it's a circumstance that every country has come to learn, but afterwards business always returns, infrastructure projects are good at attracting new investments to an area.
Now with Auckland light rail, I would have preferred a street level option, but with what the government has planned it will increase density along the corridor, and give Public Transport access to thousands more people, and link up the transit network.
It will also decrease congestion along the corridor and it's feeder routes, the Dominion Rd corridor is in need of serious investment and redevelopment, and that corridor is lacking in public transport considering it's one of the main corridors into the city.
Brisbane cross river link makes this look like a sand castle kids have built at the beach
Cool
This is still an impressive major infrastructure project. Brisbane is a far more populous city, and will be hosting the Olympics soon and therefore needs significant infrastructure improvements to cater for that, and the Australian economy can afford it. Why be negative and downplay this amazing project? New Zealander's used to be proud of their countries achievements.
What a disgraceful waste of tax payers money.
Sure, so was the Harbour Bridge (and it's clip-ons) until it was functional.
Look up 'myopic' sometime...
@@almostbutnotentirelyunreas166 harbour bridge had toll booths on it to recover the money and remove the burden from tax payers. There is also an alternate rail line that already links Mt Eden to Britomart.
@@dave24-73 Thanks for making my point for me: User pays.....just like the rail once it's done.
Do you an issue with providing Commuters with a choice of stations...not everyone lives close to the current rail line , you see.
@@dave24-73like paying to ride the train?
@@theovanbooma8508 well now National are in and light rail support has been revoked the tunnel costs are likely to sky rocket. No more subsidies either. It’s going to be very interesting on how Auckland Mayor and Auckland Transport move forward with this project.
😂what a waste tax payer money 😢
Future generations won't think so
@@sevenhelmets they will, when it goes the way of the cycle lanes, doesn’t pay for itself and costs a fortune to maintain. It’s the wrong solution for Auckland. Maybe it can just act as a large storm water drain instead.
It's actually innovative and should have been done years ago. Look at Melbournes inner city loop and how it creates great movement in the much larger city of Victoria. Melbournes public transport system designed and heavily influenced off of Hong Kong public transport system. This is only the first step. Light rail will create the wynyard airport connect whilst more projects to hopefully connect the north shore should be on the way.
@@101hundred there is nothing innovative about it, we already have an existing rail link, this is a complete and utter waste of money when NZ is in a crisis. Over a billion per 1km is disgraceful waste when it isn’t needed. Innovate means new and different, there is nothing new about this at all, with many examples overseas.
@@101hundred note this isn’t a loop it’s a single direction and the start of trying to get better rail out west, the place where it floods the most, I’d rather see the money put into resolving the flooding at the moment. Ask yourself this at $5 each way so $10 a return trip, how many people and how many years will it take to pay this 3km rail back.
It will be a white elephant
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CRL is a waste of money and pointless
The CRL is ridiculously expensive but alot of that was unavoidable.
It's not pointless, the CRL has a multitude of benefits, especially with Auckland's growing population.
A link through the CBD will allow capacity, frequency and speed of the entire Network to double.
It will incentivise urban development and intensification along transit corridors and access hub's.
Increase the number of people who will have access to PT
Provide more access points into the City Centre therefore move more people in and out of the CBD more efficiently.
It will also open up corridors for the western line.
@@rp7784 it's pointless,just face it .
A few kilometres that buses already cover
@@jimshady2264 Lol I have faced it, hence why I clearly have more knowledge behind the project than you.
Buses are already congested along that corridor, they also have limited capacity compared to train's and they don't cover the route the rail network does, they also would not provide the benefits I have listed.
I work in the CRL tunnel, who did you say had the most knowledge.
You probably are a office worker with rightous opinions but actually know nothing
@@jimshady2264 Ahahaha never assume too early in a debate.
I'm a transport and logistics expert that advised on the project, I've studied in Singapore and Germany and have worked across multiple transport projects so yes, I know what I'm talking about 😉