the engraving on the cymbal "Royal Harmonie" - orchestra "Aalst" - place in Begium "Gift from Mr. Victor Keppens" - self explanatory "1911" - for completeness
I get why some people don't like them so much in rides anymore, but I have rivets in my bottom hi hat and I kind of swear by it honestly. That little sizzle in the quieter parts of songs really goes.
NOT boring time. I recently found out that I've been beating on a 13" thin crash from the late 40's for about 25 years. I've been using it as part of a stack since I had to rig together a mount to fit the small hole.
at my school we have a 40s era 24 inch avedis ride and it sounds so jazzy and is super fuckin loud. I told my teacher about it and he had no idea it was that old.
A neighbor had an 18 inch cymbal stamped "Zildjian Constantinople" on it. It was SO trashy sounding, and dark. Super low pitched. The edge had dents in them, but no cracks. It was so dirty there was no way to clean it and make it shiny. My neighbor moved to Finland and left me that cymbal and an 18 inch floor tom. I had no idea what I had, and just wanted to play hard rock. So I was only into Bright cutting cymbals, like a Sabian HH Rock Crash, or Zildjian Ping Ride. When I gave up on drumming to go travel the world I sold it all. Somebody scored big.
Oh don’t worry, in the 70’s Zildjian made their first very shiny/heavy hard rock cymbals and called them “A Zildjian Constantinople”. They weren’t amazing and they don’t go for particularly much if it soothes your mind 😂
@@the.drum.thing. As I get back into drumming I've found I my ears handle bright cymbals anymore, at least not without hearing protection. A short while back Zildjian had a sale of 16 and 18 inch A series Medium thins (40% off list) so I picked them up. They'd have been perfect when I was a kid, but now they are physically painful to play if I don't have my custom molded hearing protection in. How my hearing survived being a teenager without any hearing protection I will never know As I look at transitioning from E-Drums (with volume knobs) to acoustics I'm pretty much only looking at darker cymbals these days.
THIS IS WHAT DRUM THING NEEDS TO BE not like every single video, but like a cymbol showcase with some history, and some jammin with it, and i love how you slipped in the comparison symbol
Howly, that engraved text says its a gift to the royal harmonic orchestra of aalst, a city in belgium. How did it end up all the way on the other side of the planet 😂
I really like the shimmery sound of that cymbal. Like, sure, it’s not the loudest, and the rivets make it have a sound profile that won’t fit everything, but it’s SPARKLY and I love that sound.
2:50 I saw the "cymbalier" also labeled as "zil-zen" and decided to do some digging. Turns out, the Ottomans used "family names" in much the same way we Westerners use titles. A zil is a traditional Ottoman cymbal, a zil-zen is a person who plays the symbols, and Zildjian (or Zilciyan) was the name given to Avedis by Sultan Mustafa I to recognize him and his father for their craftsmanship. Zildjian isn't just famous for cymbals; the cymbals are famous for Zildjian.
idk i like the sound the cymbals make with the rivets in them! i can see how they may not produce a great effect for certain types of music, but i think it gives it character! great vids as always m8
0:37 fun fact it's dutch and says "Koninklijke Harmonie Aalst Geschenk van M Victor Keppens 1911" which means "Royal Concert Band Aalst Gift from M Victor Keppens 1911". I find it really interesting how some words are the same in English and in Dutch. For instance, you can translate "1911" almost exactly one on one, although you lose a bit of nuance in some contexts so you do have to be careful. Anyway Aalst is a city in Belgium so it's technically not even dutch but Flemish
I love the rivets on this cymbal. And honestly a special drum set up with both this and a normal ride would be awesome to improvise with for both flavors and for different parts of a song.
Man, I wish those rivets made a comeback! I'm not very well versed in drums (I prefer my sax lol), but I love the effect of the rivets. Gives it this calm feel, kinda like the patter of rain. I think it would sound nice in jazz, or some other chill music. Just with the cymbal was louder lmao.
Hadn't seen riveted cymbals before today; but I really like how they affect the sound, and how they cause it to go quiet quicker. Certainly shouldn't be on every cymbal, but certainly useful!
I got so used to the sound of your Zildjian K-Custom Dark Ride by watching your videos. It has simply become the standard ride cymbal in my head and it sounds kinda comforting, while any other ride sounds odd. I listen to metal and stuff but this is the only place I really get to listen to different cymbals and drums and learn stuff about them. Which I really like, I love your content, thank you so much!
The jazz and bossa sound gorgeous on both cymbals. The second song makes me hear a difference like the riveted one sounds bright then fades after. Plus the guitar riff reminds me of Makoto Kawamoto's 1/2.
Online listings with vague titles can be a goldmine! I once found a mint condition boxed N64 for ten euro, listed only as ‘video game’. It was collection only and the seller lived around three hours away from me, so I drove to get it because a bit of a drive is worth that kind of deal. When I met the woman she said she thinks it was meant as a gift for someone, at some stage, but ended up in her attic.
I really like that you compared it to the K Dark Ride after the stream. I was worried that these more analytical parts and comparisons would get lost with the switch to stream but this combination of the "old" drum thing style and the energetic stream parts is great!
5:41 "What I'm gonna do with this next song is showcase the power I have as a drummer. The song is going to start off as it's meant to be as a down tempo depressed song. But midway through I'm going to change to rock/metal while the song itself is going to remain the same, including Lewis Hamilton boxing here. The change will be subtle. - S U B T L E- " (AN: I know little about music myself so please dont hate on me if I've got the music styles wrong. _I'm learnding_ )
You’ve talked about this cymbal several times and never in my life did I ever consider that those rivets weren’t solidly attached to the cymbal. I always assumed they were on there to tune the sound
Don’t know what I was expecting going into this, but dunking on Berlioz was not in my top ten things I expected from a Drum Thing vid. I’m here for it though. Up yours Berlioz, this is why people recognize Bizet more than you!
I love that old cymbal... but then you put that K Dark Ride up for comparison and I just start smiling, man. What a great cymbal and a sign of how far we've come.
I thought it was nuts how well it blended in with the rest of the kit the first time you played it however WHEN THE ANCIENT CYMBAL WORKED WITH LEGALLY DISTINCT FROM BUT RESEMBLES CONGA AND KINDA SOUNDED WEIRD AND OUT OF PLACE IN THE TRAD JAZZ, INSANITY
I love the sound of that. With all the effects cymbals and stacks, this is a lovely color that needs to come back. It's like a sizzle crash-splash hybrid
damn this video just took me down the craziest rabbit hole, because back in high school i traded a bass guitar for a couple cymbals and stands, and one of the cymbals was this heavy (what i assumed to be) hi-hat top or bottom with no symbols or branding that i could see, so i used it as a ride bell /crash ever since. this video made me go clean it off and give it a close look to confirm that it is 100% the same type of cymbal in this video. although im assuming its not quite as old as the one you have since it says "made in USA", its 100% a zildjian 14" crash (was super hard to read but can make out the "ASH" of the wording) with the old engraved logo made of the same bronze and hammered in the same fashion, so maybe a replica piece of an early 1900s model or a legitimate piece of history. regardless im so glad i stumbled on this vid, cheers from alaska!
The music the windows the Frank the atmosphere. You are truly entertaining 😊 And what a cool fact, such an old instrument company. Have a nice day my man 😎
Wanna know how deep that "boring time" actually went? The passages in that book are EXACTLY the same kind of thing in the medical college admission test (mcat, generally considered the hardest professional exam in the US) in a section called "critical analysis and reasoning". Ive seen so many passages phrased exactly like that one. Esoteric history passages are going to give me ptsd after this stupid exam is over.
Your drum mixes already sound amazing. But I'm wondering, since your drum booth is in a warehouse, I think micing the warehouse sound at blending it in would sound insane! I would do anything for a drum room that big.
it's funny how the rivets can make or break a cymbal, and for whatever reasons my mind is now filled with thoughts of an L Zildjian completely filled with them
I love the sound of a good sizzle crash. On Dear Prudence by the Beatles, you can hear a sizzle crash at the end of the choruses and it sounds beautiful.
ah, I'm Turkish but this channel's the first place I've heard about Zildjian (if a Turkish company operates in internationally in Turkey, it's a big deal). Maybe 0:54's why
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We love boring time, Australian man.
We love boring time.
FAX
Boring Time best time
Boring Time is some of my favourite time
We LOOOVEEEE boring time. Time is an illusion, but boring time is the kinda illusion I can get behind.
Boring time is amazing. But I like funny time more
Slowly but surely I’m getting more used to Wade having a face and body
same when i first saw him i was devastated
I’m not even used to “Wade” yet, him’s Dankmus.
fake news, clearly AI
When did he first get them?
You think the weird part is that he has a body? I think it's that he has a name. Wade. He's Damkpods to me lol
the engraving on the cymbal
"Royal Harmonie" - orchestra
"Aalst" - place in Begium
"Gift from Mr. Victor Keppens" - self explanatory
"1911" - for completeness
Oh wow, I didn't read the engraving, but I am actually in this city right now! (Aalst)
drums are truly the only hobby in the world where you can hit something that’s 100+ years old with a piece of wood and have people be ok with it
or restoration work depending on what you’re working on
As a guitar builder I can tell you a 100% that's not true.
@@theothertonydutch Do people normally hit guitars with sticks?
@@mgkleym No, but PRS does and goes: oMG, whAT a DiFfErencE.. Yes, that was a tonewood joke.
One of the few instruments you fight when you play it.
Maybe I'm just a simple man, but that rivet sizzle sounds fantastic.
Sizzled like a good steak!
I totally agree! I wonder what a more modern cymbal would sound like with rivets, cuz I don't think I've ever seen one.
I get why some people don't like them so much in rides anymore, but I have rivets in my bottom hi hat and I kind of swear by it honestly. That little sizzle in the quieter parts of songs really goes.
I absolutely loved the one he said was ruined by the rivulets.
Like, I'd play to some Armored Core on PS1 type beats with that.
I honestly like it. I don't think it would fit with most music, but it has such a unique sound to it
I love the sound the rivets make! Sounds like sparkling water made out of metal.
That's one of my favorites ride sounds. Only if it was darker, it add a shine to the sound that's really hard to replicate
To me it sounds like the snare of cymbals.
that's a lovely way of describing it!
NOT boring time.
I recently found out that I've been beating on a 13" thin crash from the late 40's for about 25 years. I've been using it as part of a stack since I had to rig together a mount to fit the small hole.
Is it cracked or whatnot, or is it still in good nick?
@@HarrisonBarclay-yr1zb It's still solid with no bites.
at my school we have a 40s era 24 inch avedis ride and it sounds so jazzy and is super fuckin loud. I told my teacher about it and he had no idea it was that old.
A neighbor had an 18 inch cymbal stamped "Zildjian Constantinople" on it. It was SO trashy sounding, and dark. Super low pitched. The edge had dents in them, but no cracks. It was so dirty there was no way to clean it and make it shiny. My neighbor moved to Finland and left me that cymbal and an 18 inch floor tom.
I had no idea what I had, and just wanted to play hard rock. So I was only into Bright cutting cymbals, like a Sabian HH Rock Crash, or Zildjian Ping Ride.
When I gave up on drumming to go travel the world I sold it all. Somebody scored big.
Oof bro
Oh don’t worry, in the 70’s Zildjian made their first very shiny/heavy hard rock cymbals and called them “A Zildjian Constantinople”. They weren’t amazing and they don’t go for particularly much if it soothes your mind 😂
@@the.drum.thing. As I get back into drumming I've found I my ears handle bright cymbals anymore, at least not without hearing protection.
A short while back Zildjian had a sale of 16 and 18 inch A series Medium thins (40% off list) so I picked them up. They'd have been perfect when I was a kid, but now they are physically painful to play if I don't have my custom molded hearing protection in. How my hearing survived being a teenager without any hearing protection I will never know
As I look at transitioning from E-Drums (with volume knobs) to acoustics I'm pretty much only looking at darker cymbals these days.
Fool.
THIS IS WHAT DRUM THING NEEDS TO BE
not like every single video, but like a cymbol showcase with some history, and some jammin with it, and i love how you slipped in the comparison symbol
Howly, that engraved text says its a gift to the royal harmonic orchestra of aalst, a city in belgium. How did it end up all the way on the other side of the planet 😂
My eyebrows went up about 2km high when I read it. I am in this city right now.
Is that the one that was found online? Sadly I don't think that is the one Wade Owns
@@diederttheunissen9631 different cymbal, just an example that he gave.
Syncronise your watches to Boring Standard Time
We already have BST though? /j
Honestly, this cymbal would make a fucking awesome sizzle ride. It's so thick, and rich and with the rivets it just had a really cool jazz sound.
I actually love that one's sound. It doesn't shimmer. But it sizzles. Those little rivets just dancing around long after the hit look magical.
I was at the Zildjian 400th anniversary event in London. Converted me from Meinl to Zildjy
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@@elcrackengaitos_bs4804 Couldn't agree more
@@elcrackengaitos_bs4804 egend*
@@elcrackengaitos_bs4804 ok
Were the founders present?
7:08 It's like the rivets are making so many different frequencies that it always punches through the music and it's always audible. That's so cool!
That’s an old shiny odd noisy flying disk you got there mate
it's depression song...
BUT IT'S LEWIS HAMILTON BOXING
The instant blast beat a couple of seconds into the song got me lmao
@@possibly8180 that's a d beat m8
with the jazz piece, it sounded what falling sparkles must sound like. just constant glitter-y feeling.
The scream of primal rage makes the Cymbal Toss music fit even better.
Not a lot of volume, but what an awesome sound. Like a breeze through a warehouse filled with pins suspended on strings.
I really like the shimmery sound of that cymbal. Like, sure, it’s not the loudest, and the rivets make it have a sound profile that won’t fit everything, but it’s SPARKLY and I love that sound.
2:50 I saw the "cymbalier" also labeled as "zil-zen" and decided to do some digging. Turns out, the Ottomans used "family names" in much the same way we Westerners use titles. A zil is a traditional Ottoman cymbal, a zil-zen is a person who plays the symbols, and Zildjian (or Zilciyan) was the name given to Avedis by Sultan Mustafa I to recognize him and his father for their craftsmanship. Zildjian isn't just famous for cymbals; the cymbals are famous for Zildjian.
The dark ride and the old boy sound so good going back and forth between them. They really complement each other
I think that has to be the sparkliest sounding cymbal I've ever heard
0:27 Been a long time gone since old Constantinople.
Why did Constantinople get the works?
@@icebergmm People just liked it better that way
@@icebergmm That's nobody's business but the Turks'.
I don't play drums (i play guitar) but your drum channel is a great way of understanding the instrument better! Keep it up
I tuned out for a few seconds and then was absolutely mortified when the Cymbal Toss music came on
Playing a blast beat on a museum piece is the kind of content I'm here for XD
idk i like the sound the cymbals make with the rivets in them! i can see how they may not produce a great effect for certain types of music, but i think it gives it character!
great vids as always m8
0:37 fun fact it's dutch and says "Koninklijke Harmonie Aalst Geschenk van M Victor Keppens 1911" which means "Royal Concert Band Aalst Gift from M Victor Keppens 1911". I find it really interesting how some words are the same in English and in Dutch. For instance, you can translate "1911" almost exactly one on one, although you lose a bit of nuance in some contexts so you do have to be careful.
Anyway Aalst is a city in Belgium so it's technically not even dutch but Flemish
Thats older than my old man.
Older than my old man's old man's old man
Just about as old as my old man's old man. But we can't reliably date this thing, so maybe older!
That’s older than my old man’s old man
Wade says boring time but for me i love all his channels, i love cars, i play drums, i love music and technology, every channel is awesome
Wait. He has other channels?!
I love the rivets on this cymbal. And honestly a special drum set up with both this and a normal ride would be awesome to improvise with for both flavors and for different parts of a song.
Man, I wish those rivets made a comeback! I'm not very well versed in drums (I prefer my sax lol), but I love the effect of the rivets. Gives it this calm feel, kinda like the patter of rain. I think it would sound nice in jazz, or some other chill music. Just with the cymbal was louder lmao.
Hadn't seen riveted cymbals before today; but I really like how they affect the sound, and how they cause it to go quiet quicker. Certainly shouldn't be on every cymbal, but certainly useful!
In a few years he’s either gonna make a 3 hour documentary about drum history or write a book, I can just hear the passion in his voice
The documentary will just be clips from this channel interspersed with Frank sleeping on different drum kits.
Hear me out: You should try to recreate the cover of the cymbal book with all the cymbals they used
It's so delightfully sparkly and soft. I love how the little rivets dance too.
Those rivets are absolutely brilliant sounding. I love it. Almost a hybrid of using a brush and stick at the same time.
I got so used to the sound of your Zildjian K-Custom Dark Ride by watching your videos.
It has simply become the standard ride cymbal in my head and it sounds kinda comforting, while any other ride sounds odd.
I listen to metal and stuff
but this is the only place I really get to listen to different cymbals and drums and learn stuff about them.
Which I really like, I love your content, thank you so much!
The jazz and bossa sound gorgeous on both cymbals. The second song makes me hear a difference like the riveted one sounds bright then fades after. Plus the guitar riff reminds me of Makoto Kawamoto's 1/2.
Online listings with vague titles can be a goldmine! I once found a mint condition boxed N64 for ten euro, listed only as ‘video game’. It was collection only and the seller lived around three hours away from me, so I drove to get it because a bit of a drive is worth that kind of deal. When I met the woman she said she thinks it was meant as a gift for someone, at some stage, but ended up in her attic.
Holy fuck those rivets make it almost sound like rain. It's amazing!!
I really like that you compared it to the K Dark Ride after the stream. I was worried that these more analytical parts and comparisons would get lost with the switch to stream but this combination of the "old" drum thing style and the energetic stream parts is great!
I’ve got a little soft spot for sizzle cymbals. I think it sounds great in smooth jazz, if done right.
I wouldn’t be suprised if some company in the future figured out a way to make future cymbals only work if you have an active subscription
STOP CALLING THE MOST EXCITING PARTS "BORING TIME"
5:41
"What I'm gonna do with this next song is showcase the power I have as a drummer. The song is going to start off as it's meant to be as a down tempo depressed song. But midway through I'm going to change to rock/metal while the song itself is going to remain the same, including Lewis Hamilton boxing here.
The change will be subtle. - S U B T L E- "
(AN: I know little about music myself so please dont hate on me if I've got the music styles wrong. _I'm learnding_ )
Nah you are totally right, I'd say it might be blackened, but it's definitely supposed to be metallica
Not a drummer but I love how fizzy and splashy it is. Like I was thirsty before I heard it and now I'm fine.
my goodness the production quality is amazing in this one wade!
Im enjoying frequent uploads so much; truly the only "gear" content i watch.
6:58 that intro had me expecting Conga! by Gloria Estefan and Miami Sound Machine and i have been Bamboozled
do you know what it actually was?
EDIT: I found it it was Cacophonous by Martin Kelm
Licence free music be like that.
You’ve talked about this cymbal several times and never in my life did I ever consider that those rivets weren’t solidly attached to the cymbal. I always assumed they were on there to tune the sound
He really said to that zildjan light, "If you're gonna go out, you go out on my terms."
Loved the comparison bit where you meshed them together, I was groovin.
Don’t know what I was expecting going into this, but dunking on Berlioz was not in my top ten things I expected from a Drum Thing vid.
I’m here for it though. Up yours Berlioz, this is why people recognize Bizet more than you!
Wait.... I actually love that sound. I may need to slither around and find myself one of these.
I’m sensing that you’re gradually turning into an Aussie Jeff Lynne with the hair, headphones, and beard
hard to believe that something as mundane as a cymbal has such a deep and rich history.
I love that old cymbal... but then you put that K Dark Ride up for comparison and I just start smiling, man. What a great cymbal and a sign of how far we've come.
it's unironically an incredible ride cymbal
I woulda missed a good portion of those bell shots of the 13"
You've got some precision on ya there mate.
I thought it was nuts how well it blended in with the rest of the kit the first time you played it however
WHEN THE ANCIENT CYMBAL WORKED WITH LEGALLY DISTINCT FROM BUT RESEMBLES CONGA AND KINDA SOUNDED WEIRD AND OUT OF PLACE IN THE TRAD JAZZ, INSANITY
Love your stuff Wade, keep up the good work mate
The Cymbal thing, I'm all for it
oh my god its the person from place!
I love the sound of that. With all the effects cymbals and stacks, this is a lovely color that needs to come back. It's like a sizzle crash-splash hybrid
Sizzle. My first Drum Instructor had a 20 in Zildjian Sizzle ride from the 50s
I would totally use that on a jazz gig. Nice sound!
i got really into the music in the middle and when you started talking again it startled me
damn this video just took me down the craziest rabbit hole, because back in high school i traded a bass guitar for a couple cymbals and stands, and one of the cymbals was this heavy (what i assumed to be) hi-hat top or bottom with no symbols or branding that i could see, so i used it as a ride bell /crash ever since. this video made me go clean it off and give it a close look to confirm that it is 100% the same type of cymbal in this video. although im assuming its not quite as old as the one you have since it says "made in USA", its 100% a zildjian 14" crash (was super hard to read but can make out the "ASH" of the wording) with the old engraved logo made of the same bronze and hammered in the same fashion, so maybe a replica piece of an early 1900s model or a legitimate piece of history. regardless im so glad i stumbled on this vid, cheers from alaska!
Wow make RUclips vid about it and reply when and if you post ❤❤❤
Quite literally the oldest of ol' mates
The music the windows the Frank the atmosphere. You are truly entertaining 😊 And what a cool fact, such an old instrument company. Have a nice day my man 😎
OMG those rivets MOVE?! I thought those were just like weight discs or some nonsense
please post more beginner drum advice! Love your videos :)
Always love seeing wierd cymbal reviews here. Would love to see you talk about Meinl sometime!
I love the oxidised copper colour of your couch, feels like it even smells like copper
Wanna know how deep that "boring time" actually went?
The passages in that book are EXACTLY the same kind of thing in the medical college admission test (mcat, generally considered the hardest professional exam in the US) in a section called "critical analysis and reasoning". Ive seen so many passages phrased exactly like that one.
Esoteric history passages are going to give me ptsd after this stupid exam is over.
I dig the rivets. I used to have one back in 1965. Played jazz gigs with it. It sounded like a cool evening breeze blowing through the trees.
this video is honestly so much fun to watch. 10/10
The old symbol sounds great, if a bit quiet. That being said, I will never, EVER get over the amazing sound of the dark ride. So good.
You can bore me to death and I will still LIVE for this content.
so you're telling me that istanbul was constantinople? and that its now istanbul, and not constantinople?
been a long time gone!
I feel like I'm having to strain my ears to hear that thing over the noise of yur drums haha
it may be a lil dainty, and a lil muted due to the rivets, but I think that classic Zildjian sounds beautiful as an accompaniment to any jazz number
I was there! Playing with that artifact was special to hear live on YT.
Your drum mixes already sound amazing.
But I'm wondering, since your drum booth is in a warehouse, I think micing the warehouse sound at blending it in would sound insane!
I would do anything for a drum room that big.
good lord that thing's a perfect fit for bop type jazz
it's funny how the rivets can make or break a cymbal, and for whatever reasons my mind is now filled with thoughts of an L Zildjian completely filled with them
lol you are slowly turning into Harry Blazer. if you ever start playing electric snares then you know its time to start a softcore Jazz trio
boring time made me learn so much about cymbals, and i love it! i like the last scream, it was just perfect
God I love this channel so much
Boring time is exciting time for me
I love the sound of a good sizzle crash. On Dear Prudence by the Beatles, you can hear a sizzle crash at the end of the choruses and it sounds beautiful.
That photo on the front page of the cymbal book is impressive. That's almost as many cymbals as one of Neil Peart's drum kits :)
Actually, what is the song that you’re jamming to at 7 minutes in? I enjoyed that a lot
There’s something so jovial about this one. Like the retired guy working at the ice cream parlor just because he wants to.
"Wahey, cymbal toss at the en- oh..."
ah, I'm Turkish but this channel's the first place I've heard about Zildjian (if a Turkish company operates in internationally in Turkey, it's a big deal).
Maybe 0:54's why
I have a set of 1950s Zildjians I thought were old, at 71 years old. This is awesome!
I adore the fact that Wade has channels for most of my special interests