Justice League 1x01-3: Secret Origins - Atop the Fourth Wall
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- Welcome to Atop the Fourth Wall, where bad comics burn. In this Patreon-sponsored episode, Linkara looks at the opening three-parter to Justice League!
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Originally released January 25th, 2021.
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Much better than the three parter "Justice League: Secret Organs," where Batman had accidentally ordered a thousand pipe organs to be sent to the Watchtower, and had to hide them from the rest of the League until he could mail them back.
The bigger question is: How the hell did the delivery people even manage to get all these pipe organs onto the Watchtower in the first place? Do they have a massive spaceship to make space deliveries?
@@eon1014 probably that space cab driver guy. He might’ve took a side job in delivery
@@maneoj46
“Space cab driver guy”? Are you talking about Jimmy Olsen?
@@eon1014 maybe. It’s DC characters get new jobs scrambles like a game of boggle
@@eon1014 He's talking about Space Cabbie, a rather obscure DC character. His only TV appearance to date was in Cartoon Network's Justice League Action.
Fun Fact: Batman's "I'm not a people person" was a nice callback to Beyond's "The Call" where the Justice League there told Terry that Bruce Wayne, "Never made it past Part Timer"
Heck, in Unlimited, Bruce's Batman even says, "I'm a Part Timer remember??"
Let’s be real: these are the definitive DC character voices we hear reading modern Justice League comics. Thank you Andrea Romano and cast!
Here here especially their rendition of a Lord of the Rings Scene
i wish she came back to do more work
@@keiththompson9435 ?!?! where where where?!?
And seemingly affected the comics making Martian Manhunter canonically black in his depictions later thanks to Carl Lumbly's voice (even though he has an Asian identity at one point in the series, never really settling on a race in DCAU, iirc)
@@christopherb501 Talkin' Toons.
"Although for tax reasons, this is actually a golf course."
Dead. I'm dead, and my murderer's name is Linkara.
"Not just any golf course, but a mini-golf course!" *Points at the bottle-city Kandor*
Really makes you wonder what other superhero stuff looks like on Bruce's expense reports. Like, the Batcave is a swimming pool, and the Batmobile is a really expensive coffeemaker.
3:38 "Yes, I count "Justice League Unlimited" as the same show."
So do I.
Who doesn't?
@@FNGLHR I'm pretty sure there are some people out there who consider JL and JLU to be two separate shows. Even Wikipedia has two separate articles for them. But personally, if I was in charge of Wikipedia, I would have fused the articles for both series into one.
By that same token, I consider "The New Batman Adventures" to be the final season of "Batman: The Animated Series" instead of a separate show.
Aside from the name change, it's pretty much a continuation of the same show but now they have a bigger league as shown by the title.
I say the same with Ben 10 alien force and Ultimate alien. There the same show with the same animation style just with a different title.
@@Pikachu2Ash There is a format change though. It’s not all multi-parters, and the seasons are half as long
A theory I heard that went around to explain Superman’s super weakness and his design in season 1 made a lot of sense to me, the fact that he’s suffering from the drawbacks of the krpytonite missile from the end of superman the animated series. Since it dealt such heavy damage to him, it weakened his body, so a lot of his usual strengths and abilities are missing, hence why he got knocked around so much.
Yeah, when you remember everything that went on in the Superman finale thanks to Darkseid, him being in a weakened state makes a lot of sense.
That DOES make a lot of sense
Issue with that, JL takes place two years after the finale of S:TAS
@@leothewhiteranger okay, so it took a while to get all that kryptonite out of his system
@@AmariieMaerthos I mean, fair. I always just liked the World of Cardboard thing coming into effect after being so used by Darkseid
You know Linkara’s sincere in that he has little to critique about these episodes when he burns a good minute or two nitpicking the background flag that’s in one shot.
"It just comes across as slightly advanced PlayStation 1 graphics."
So PlayStation 2 graphics.
Not sure if that was meant to be a roast or not but lol.
Burn
Pfft, FF8-9 and 10-12 still look damn good 20 odds years later.
@@silverauron7850 What about KH1 or KH2.
@@ejelecflametails6657 Them too, also Ratchet and clank and jack and dexter, but if we talk about them all we'll be here for days, bottom-line, this comment is bullshit asd.
The mention of the Cardboard World speech. That still gives me chills to this day. The fact that everything he was able to do was him holding back was great. Last year the tabletop game Heroclix made a Justice League set based on the DCAU, the Superman in the starter box has his power names as lines from that speech.
I'm almost certain the whole "Goku could beat Superman" argument comes from the horribly nerfed DCAU Superman being the most well known.
Am I the only one who would want to see them being buddies instead?
Michael Rosenbaum being the flash and then later being Lex Luther is awesome. One of my favourite lines from the show is still “I have no idea who this is” awesome suit.
I think I heard somewhere that Rosenbaum took the opportunity to get Luthor tips from Clancy Brown.
@@ShadowWingTronix Clancy Brown - best Lex Luthor bar none.
I guess, "And together we can be justice," was too obvious a joke here.
So was "I'm the Government" but here we are.
@@Pikachu2Ash Listen, “I'm the Government” will be an inherent American mood for however long we need to cope.
@@Pablo360able Slowdown bruh, no need to get up in a twist about it, we weren't being that serious lol :P
@@Pikachu2Ash No need to get up in a twist about me getting up in a twist about it ::PP
@@Pablo360able
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Justice League and Justice League Unlimited combined are my favorite show of all time. Not in a Marvel vs DC mentality, but in a “this show has some of the greatest writing, characters and storytelling I’ve ever seen” mentality. It blew me away as a kid and now at 27, I’m shocked almost at how well it continues to hold up, especially in light of WB and Zack Snyder’s bastardized attempts to turn these heroes into his own personal Watchmen fanfic
I mean Watchmen is basically the same bastardized version of Charlton comics with few DC comics charecters thrown in. Alan moore originally wanted to use Charlton comics charecters, but the head of DC at the time (who also was a writer & the head of Charlton) refused because it disrespected the original charecters, so moore gave some cosmetic changes yet still obviously the same characters and presented that to the head, who while reluctant gave permission to publish them. Also Zack snyder's Justice league isn't the worst version that honour would go to Frank miller's Justice league where Superman is a emo rapist and Wonder woman a abuse & rape loving bullshit feminist BTW I am not making any of that up.
I know, right??? And the fact that they tie in to five other shows - that are also durn good in their own rights - with surprising cohesion only enhances the experience. Good GRIEF do the live-action movies got nuthin' on DC's better animation! even the good ones like Shazam!
@@christopherb501 I think the Arrowverse is way better than the DCEU. Don't get me wrong they are corny, cheesy & to many (but not to me) cringy yet they feel more heartfelt with legitimate stakes and feels like people who read those comics are trying to do their best to do them Justice. I don't want everything to be high quality or high budget like The Boys or Wandavision, but the Arrowverse has me invested in these characters who are likable, funny & overall people I would love to talk to. Their Crossovers have impact on their respective shows and their deaths feel more heartbreaking.
@@kazinadbiralamadit6905 I was referring to the _movies,_ not the shows with "live-action". I haven't watched any Arrowverse material yet, but I still feel safe in judging it, on average, 'better' than the movies, on average.
@@christopherb501 I know many who will say that and to a degree I can see why but that's what also amazing to me. Greg Berlanti and Marc Guggenheim both created a shared live action universe with limited budget for the CW yet those shows have more character dept & challenge, also feels more like an interconnected universe than the DCEU, both of them were so good infact that HBOmax has asked them to make series for their streaming platform alongside the ones that Berlanti is already producing. I would highly recommend reading some Screenant or Vulture articles regarding this.
Also, the Batman Beyond two parter "The Call" with the future Justice League team was their test run to making team fights.
Plus: their first DCAU appearance matches their first ever appearance in what they fought. You should've gone THAT route, Snyder; would've worked out much better...
@@christopherb501 It's weird how they even seem to make up a new kid for Aquaman, though it was a different Aquaman in Superman TAS versus the DCAU Justice League one that demonstrably had a son, I believe, but he could've had a daughter too and it somehow adds up to Marina in Justice League Beyond
@Will N I rewatched stuff, but yeah, it wasn't always clear to me that 2 years or so had passed. That'd serve as an explanation even for Kyle Rayner retiring or such for John Stewart to take over as Green Lantern, let alone Arthur maturing and Wally as well (because obviously Barry doesn't exist in DCAU)
@Will N I guess I neglected that line, which literally says, "That Rayner kid," from what I'm finding through a quick search
@@ToHoldNothing that’s the same Aquaman, but older. Plus...
It’s 40 or so years in the future. Arthur and Mera can easily make a daughter in thag time
I can't believe Linkara missed that the name of the astronaut on Mars who gets replaced by the Imperium, "J. Allen Carter"; was a pretty clear reference to the Edgar Rice Burroughs pulp hero John Carter of Mars! Or at least he didn't mention it.
And I had to check how they even explain Hawkgirl: they were teasing Adam Strange because she mentioned Zeta Beams. I'm still hoping that Strange Adventures show is animated, though who knows what DC and Warner plan to do with it, along with Justice League Dark, Green Lantern Corps, etc
@@ToHoldNothing well we know how justice league dark went thank to apocalypse war.
spoiler****
Kill almost everyone and then destroy the timeline, erasing everything that the previous movies had done, and replace it with one that is hopefully better. Honestly they tried to put a darker version of infinity war and endgame in one movie and it failed horribly. But good for anyone that liked it.
@@kuramakitsune16 I meant the one they have planned that's supposedly live action on HBOMax, but I feel like many people aren't aware of it, similar to how there isn't a huge amount of advertising for DC's animated features half the time
@@kuramakitsune16 But yeah, the DCAMU felt like they had loose ends they didn't resolve at all and Apokolips War was ambitious at best, but fell flat in the conclusion with Flash's whole use to "reset" things
@@ToHoldNothing i thought it was a reference towards h.g wells war of the worlds
A man with the name of Carter on Mars? Why does that sound so familiar...?
Bonus points for John apparently being one of the many inspirations for Superman.
Fun fact about this show, the creators said in every fight scene Wonder Woman was in, they made sure she was the star in them and kicked the most ass.
Because Wonder Woman is awesome.
That's what you get when you have the creator of the polygraph and his wife and polyamorous lover get together and create a bondage comic
Also it’s safe to say Susan Eisenberg’s WW was just as generation-defining as Lynda Carter and Gal Gadot.
@@benwasserman8223 just like Mark Hamill is considered generational defining for the joker
And yet she still can't get her own videogame.
@@legoking6165 when's the last time you heard Superman get a video game
This series has the rare privilege of being the only one with an adaptation of an Alan Moore story that he actually likes.
THAT'S HOW GOOD THIS IS.
That was such a good episode.
For The Man Who Has Everything...and that's still only ONE good episode in a series full of them.
8:26 actually, it’d be funnier if he used it because he needs a babysitter.
Bruce: Look, it’s Alfred’s night off and I’m stuck at Wayne Enterprise all day, just take them to the movies, okay?
Clark: Do you not trust your kids to be alone?
Bruce: No, and you shouldn’t either.
I always thought he would just make Nightwing babysit. There was one comic I can't remember which where Dick, Tim and Damian were having a movie night. much to Damian's annoyance. Also Alfred was not amused.
Its weird that Kids WB was hesitant to do a DC animated show where the cast is mainly adults as opposed to kids and adults, considering Superman the Animated Series was produced for Kids WB. Sure you had Jimmy Olsen and Supergirl, but the cast was primarily adults and the main character was of course a grown man.
Heck, Robin in BtAS was already starting college. Executives are total morons.
@@christopherb501 And yet Cartoon Network had their heads on straight when they were offered this, though that didn't last.
@@bthsr7113 Cartoon Network: the Konami of children's programming.
When exactly was this pitched to WB? They did have a period of utilizing action shows around the turn of the millenium, but they were slowly sinking back into comedy shows. Not to mention they were trying to find the next Pokemon with only one successful series in Yu-Gi-Oh. They weirdly reran the first season and a half of Teen Titans at some point. Bunny thing is, when Kid's WB left the airwaves, they did rerun one of the Justice League cartoons. I think it was during Saban's short lived Toonzai (or whatever it was) block.
@@christopherb501 That fits a little too well. oof.
While Batman TAS will always be the most critically acclaimed of the DCAU, on a personal level, my favorite is JL/JLU. I attribute this show as introducing me to the greater DC Universe and its characters.
Through this show, I learned about the likes of Martian Manhunter, Green Lantern, Hawkgirl, Etrigan, Metamorpho, Captain Atom, Green Arrow, Black Canary, Question, Huntress, Hawk & Dove, Atom, Booster Gold, Elongated Man, Vixen, Fire, Ice, Stargirl, Jonah Hex, Bwana Beast, Phantom Stranger, Shining Knight and Vigilante.
It truly says something that this show *still* stands the test of time and contains many of the definitive versions of these characters and served as a gateway for introducing the less popular ones.
Young Justice did it to a certain extent with the newer Blue Bettle and characters like Geo-Force and Halo.
My love of the DC universe began with the DCAU Justice League. This takes me back.
Don't know if its pointless to mention but the General Wells in this story was named after H.G. Wells Author of the War Of The Worlds.
"it's"
But neat.
One of at least three references including the Tripods and the invaders using black smoke.
Although, if the idea was having superman being less powerful by showing him to be older, that's quite undermined when later in Batman Beyond they show superman still in active duty over 40 years later
Now this is the Justice League I want on HBOmax
Isn't it? I thought they had most of the DC stuff on there by now.
@@o76923
It isn’t. They literally just put Batman TAS and Beyond on there last week. Return the joker has been on there since day one
@@BigK13372 How _was_ the Legion show, anyway? Nobody ever seems to talk about that one.
@@christopherb501 not part of the DCAU but it was all right
@@BigK13372, that's disappointing and dumb. HBO Max is such a mess.
Two little factoids that Linkara didn't mention:
- Senator Carter was named after the title character from John Carter of Mars.
- When Superman is at the UN talking about "earning humanity's trust" and the US general guy saying how they can't trust Superman is meant to be an allusion to the finale of Superman: TAS, "Legacy," where Superman was brainwashed by Darkseid in to conquering Earth. There was dialog that would have made it more explicit, but the writers figured that not everyone had seen "Legacy" and didn't want to confuse new audiences.
Anyone else have a moment there where they thought "Secret Origins month is really early this year". Before remembering the date. And reading the title of the video correctly.
Because I didn't. Hahaha. Sure didn't, no sir. Only an idiot would do that! Hahaha!
Ha....
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I guess I'm an idiot, then 🤷🏼♂️
@@RabblesTheBinx Legit curious how many people had the same thought process we had.
Also, disclaimer: The original comment was intended purely as self deprecating humour, I am not calling people who had this thought process an idiot for real, that is not my intention though I could see how maybe someone could see it that way.
I definitely thought the same, and didn't even question it until I saw your comment.
I will take my crown now, as I ascend to my throne to take my rightful place as King Idiot!
I looked at the title and went "Huh... a collection of multiple SecretvOrigins month episodes... wait... last week he said he is doing JL Secret Origins!"
How good is the DCAU?
It has the only good adaptation of an Alan Moore comic.
The **only** good one.
So good Alan Moore actually let them put his name on it
So you don’t like V for Vendetta?
@@gamestation2690 Good show =/= faithful adaption.
@@gamestation2690 well Allan doesn’t.
@@FuelDropforthewin Good adaptation = good adaptation.
8:20 Actually that bit with the signal watch is one of my favourite things in this story - Batman's casual reaction of "Right" is just so him. Even if he DID end up using it - guess he kept it in the utility belt just to humour Superman?
It’s still a bad sign for DC’s films that an animated show did in three episodes and the Arrowverse did across multiple crossovers what they could not: tell a satisfying Justice League story.
Also anyone love Carl Lumbly and Phil LaMarr’s cameos on Supergirl?
Crisis on Earth X was pretty cool, though.
@@YourUncleBenis And Elseworlds, and Infinite Earths and most of the crossovers, minus that one involving Vandal Savage. Seriously I don’t think anyone remembers that episode.
@@BigK13372 honestly your enjoyment of Zack’s JL is largely dependent on if you enjoyed MOS and/or BVS. If you hated them then you’ll likely hate his justice league, if you liked or loved them, you’ll like or love this
@@BigK13372 your mileage will likely vary
@@BigK13372 I mean I like both movies so I’m pretty sure I’ll love it
Almost 5 years after it came out we are STILL making Martha jokes and I still love them
Man does the justice league animated series still hold up well to this day. I really love it. Many of the episodes are fantastic, has a great voice cast, and a kick-ass awesome opening.
In Justice League Unlimited they do explan that the Wonder Woman suit was originally made for Hippolyta.
Fun fact, that reveal of the white martian soldiers scared the piss out of baby me. One of the first instances I can remember of really not knowing what I'm looking at and it got to me
Shapeshifting genocidal nightmare aliens who can toss Superman around like he's nothing? Who wouldn't be a bit scared?
@@chaoticjusticezero Do you hate Doomsday clock
@@xxxvvvxxx4736 Bit of a random question. I'm honestly pretty meh on it, all things considered. Not awful, but goes on a bit long.
... damn it... now i'd like reviews of "Injustice For all", "Wild Card", and/or "A better World" or whatever the Justice Lords stuff was called again... or maybe Star Crossed...
Lord Batman's Verbal spar with League Batman... "They would have loved it here, wouldn't they?" "Who?" "Mom and Dad." "Just drive..." after League Batman had lost the first round.
I'd go for "The Savage Time" personally.
@@johnnygyro2295 Savage time was good, but it's mainly a Superman Episode with the rest having a bit of a side plot.
@@undertakernumberone1
No, that's Hereafter. The Savage Time is when they all go back to World War 2.
@@johnnygyro2295 ah right. The dumb Giant War wheels...
Come on, Nazi germany had some real dumb humongous weapon designs, like the Ratte and Monster... dumb arse wheels are not needed.
Thought the most important line in the dual Episode: "Wir sind nicht alle wie die!"
@@undertakernumberone1
The giant war wheels may have been weird, but Savage's plan was definitely one of the better villain plans in my opinion. Also, some of my favorite lines from said episode(s):
Savage recording: "Greetings from the future!"
Martian Manhunter: "You've aged gracefully."
Vandal Savage: "You have no idea."
Green Lantern: "Say your prayers Savage!"
Vandal Savage: "A God doesn't grovel!"
I always enjoyed GL and Flash's buddy cup partnership
No word of a lie: the WB JLA Universe is THE best adaptation of comics into any other medium ever. It was good for both adults and children, dealt with some interesting concepts, and despite changes to the characters, it stayed true to the essence of those characters. It is the purest distillation of DC comics, and far better than anything DC has put out since it finished airing.
Batman, Superman, JLA/JLU, Static, Batman Beyond... it was an amazing creation, and I doubt we will ever see anything like it again. Attempts to reboot it have had mixed results at best, and Marvel knows not to try and match it, but to do their own thing rather than drop out a pale imitation.
Now I'm wanting an animated adaptation of Secret Invasion with Bruce Timm behind it.
The novelisation of this story happened to be my introduction to DC in general.
And while I'm more of a Marvel guy, this story was so good that it left me with eternal respect for this universe.
"Because if we can't protect the earth, you can be damn well sure we'll Justice League it."
Dammit Linkara I'm watching this at 3am and woke up my house laughing
I remember watching this on VHS as a kid it was such a great three-parter!
Funny how this three parter managed to tell a more coherent and heartfelt story than the big budget live-action adaptation.
Slowly but surely, I am memorizing the new theme song.
Also, *insert Secret Origins Month joke here*.
Maybe it should've been Diana that John contacted telepathically that way she'd felt it more as a call to arms and answering a cry for help. Plus given their close friendship later on this would've been a great start to it.
Interesting idea.
I loved Hawkgirl’s arc near the end of season 2 really showed how 3 dimensional the writing was on Justice League and a great setup for JL Unlimited
It's astounding what a good character she was on this show, even in lesser episodes. Why the comics ever tried going back to Hawkman as a central figure after this run is beyond my comprehension.
@@christopherb501 I love both Hawkman and Hawkwoman the problem was always his damn convoluted history, admittedly I haven’t been reading any DC books lately but Hawkman and Hawkwoman really cannot catch a break and they kept retconing or rewriting their history to frustrating levels
Linkara doing the "Raiders of the Lost Arc" format properly.
When did Doug do it wrong?
I haven’t seen Doug do that in years along with other stuff. He really lost his touch.
@@brandonlyon730 Definitely. I could never forgive him for poking fun at the Brachiosaurus death scene in Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom.
Well, yeah. Reviewing the opening of a beloved series, pointing out both good and bad, also providing behind the scenes info on how certain parts of the show came to be (creation, voice cast change, Superman being too weak in S1).
Well once again the line..
"And welcome my friends to Secret Origins Month!"
This show is so nostalgic for me. It was honestly my introduction to the wider DC universe and a shared superhero universe. I knew about Batman and Superman but the Justice League tv show was my introduction to rest and they did it so well.
Snapper Carr would be stupid powerful with the infinity gauntlet.
They started trying to steal cyborg away from the Titans back in the late seventies, in the last part of super Friends
This show was amazing.
The Death of Ace.
Golden Amazo.
The Question.
Wonder Woman and Batman.
The end of Batman Beyond.
The Justice Lords.
Solomon Grundy and Hawkgirl.
I could go on but it was one of the best shows I ever saw.
The Question is the most bad ass superhero ever, dude used pop as a intimadation tactic and it worked.
Also, these.
The "Death" and Return of Superman
Superman vs Darkseid in JL and JLU
Lex Luthor
Green Arrow
Cadmus
The JL cast and crew
I love dcau it’s really awesome and actually got me into the dc universe.
This series was great, this show along with Teen Titans and Static Shock taught me most of what I know about the DCU, and the rest I learned from watching your reviews Linkara. :)
I wish Linkara would cover more comics about The Martian Manhunter.
He probably will at some point.
I demand he cover his cookie addiction
I mean, none of his comics suck, probably.
The World of Cardboard speech is probably one of the best speeches and one of the best things you can do with Superman in general
Justice League Secret Origins pays not-so-subtle homage to previous Mars sci-fi films/programs. For instance, the way Carter was replaced by a Martian comes right out of the Gerry Anderson series Captain Scarlet when in the first episode the leader of an earth expedition to Mars is replaced by a Mysteron, the most evolved sentient life forms on Mars that can replicate anyone or anything, but only after destroying the original. And by-the-way the inference is that the real Carter was killed and replaced. Then, as the host says, the meteors come to Earth and morphs into killer tripods comes straight out of War of the Worlds. Kind of cool the way they worked these two tropes into the Martian Manhunter origin story and this series kick off.
And the Imperium looks like an upside-down ripoff from Marvel's Supreme Intelligence.
I heard something about the length of Batman's "ears" increased with how much more fantastical his adventures are in the story in question.
This is far better than 2017 Justice League movie.
I have spoken.
That not's an unpopular opinion :P
3:53 yeah, I remember this. I think there the Fanon going around was that he was recovering from Kryptonite poisoning and that’s why he looked off and was a bit depowered.
The Snyder Cut looks great.
What? This isn't the Snyder Cut? Fine by me.
I would kill for a clean and complete copy of the main musical piece from this 3-parter. I love it.
It appears to be from Music loops.
I'm scared to admit how many times I reread that title before I understood it.
I'm sure that ERod will appreciate you pulling out the Superkara outfit from the Blockbuster Buster JL Film review.
So the aliens at the beginning:
-are called the "Imperium"
-shapeshift like skrulls
-use both War of the Worlds AND Body Snatchers tactics
-and are weak to sunlight
Honestly that is some badass fodder if you ask me.
I actually found the Imperium rather creepy as a kid honestly. Their weird, organic, almost living technology. Their faceless and completely alien appearance. The fact they can shapeshift so convincingly they can be anyone. Their habit of imprisoning still living people in giant red cocoons to FEED off of by leeching off brainwaves. And then there's the little fact they caused the complete genocide of J'onn's people. Then there's the head Imperium himself, whose torture scene of J'onn was just a whole lot of nope.
@@GeneralKenobi75 The Imperium are nasty yeah. But they also aren't original and to be honest they are meant to be bad, bad, baddies for the heroes to beat up in the beginning of the series. And they also aren't built to be completely original (we both listed off things that aren't original ideas) but they took these ideas and put them together in the best way possible. They also sorta remind me of the magic aliens from ROM: Spaceknight.
The imperium was the big bad leader, not the whole group
@@GenericProtagonist118 you mean the Wraiths?
@@tjknight Its the central intelligence that controls these aliens. Thereby making the aliens a part of it. So yeah, they are all the Imperium.
I love how many references you can see in these episodes: Superman 4, War of the Worlds tripods, the astronaut is named Carter as in John Carter of Mars.
This is how I first learned about John Stewart Green Lantern, J'onn J'onzz, and Hawkgirl. Wow. That's actually kind of mind-blowing when I think about it.
12:37 I’m the government! I’m the government! I’m the reason nothing works!
Ever notice how Batman never considers his embezzlement to be a crime? And, no, being the majority shareholder/CEO/Chairman doesn't entitle you to take billions of dollars to build a space station with its own death ray.
Remembering the first few times I heard this shows themes gives me chills.
Yes, the producers of the show admitted they went overboard in making Superman more vulnerable, however, let's not forget, the Superman from the 90s show still reflected the changes JOHN BYRNE made in 1986, which was no more of this planet juggling nonsense! I don't know when or if they restored Supes to the power set of the Mort Weisinger Era...
God, this was a trip down memory lane. Is it wrong that I want to see you review more episodes? The Savage Time would be fun.
1. While the Imperium and his army are okay, they feel somewhat empty compared to the Green-White Martian Civil War and Malefic from the comics and other sources.
2. I actually don't mind Cyborg being part of the Justice League. He and Shazam becoming friends was something I wished the Animated movie universe had explored more. Plus one DC cartoon, I think based on Imaginext or something, teased a good side plot out of it. Victor and Robin started off as basically junior members to the League. At the ending Robin said that, once they got enough experience, they would go and form their own team, briefly showing the other Titans.
Or A better World, Inhustice for All, Wild Cards, Starcrossed.. oh, or Aces death iin JLU
@@undertakernumberone1 Or the finale to the Cadmus Arc, finale to JLU, Twilight, Hereafter or Legends.
With the tripods, it's funny enough not the first time Superman has dealt with that sort of thing in a story. Since DC did do a proper Superman/War of the Worlds crossover in 1998 as a one shot elseworlds story where they also weakened Superman via limiting his powers to what he had during the golden age (even going as far as to set the story in 1938). Also never thought I'd see both War of the Worlds and the Tripods referenced in the same sentence.
I was not expecting a reference to “The White Mountains”. Nice touch.
Seriously i haven’t though about that book in in at least 15 years never did get around to reading the others
I read the prequel first, unwittingly.
I'm glad to see you do another episode about part of the DCAU, since that continuity deserves all the attention it can get and served as my introduction to DC as a kid before I made the jump to the mainstream DCU, I hope you cover more parts of it (whether it be more episodes, the movies and/or tie-in comics) in the future.
AVENGERS ASSEMBLE!
TITANS! GO!
GO FOR CHAMPIONS!
JUSTICE LEAGUE..... LAMBASTE!
😁😁😁
Sentries to the challenge!
Here's a good catchphrase for Marvel's Ultimates
ULTIMATES UNITE!
Agents are... GO!
What? Elite Beat Agents has a comic book aesthetic.
I am so grateful that you thought to slow the flashing images down so they don't hurt. That concession has saved my eyes and head from hurting for the rest of the evening!
So does that mean we getting a Static Shock review eventually. It is the sister show to this along with Batman Beyond.
How do you feel about the BB spin-off?
@@christopherb501 I was unaware of such a thing. You talking about the comics? They're good for what they are. I liked Static Shock, if any DC property deserves a return it's that.
@@larrylaffer3246 No, the spin-off from Batman Beyond itself. You know...the one with the robot...
@@christopherb501 Oh the Zeta Project. No but I should. It looks like a good watch. Forgot about that one.
@@larrylaffer3246 It _does_ cross back into BB at one point, so if you want to avoid confusion, it is worth watching as part of a full binge. Still worth it on its own right, of course.
Absolute classic. Also Iove the Superman Jacket. Also, speaking for myself, I will never get tired of Linkaraverse Batman vs Superman and the delirious Batman bit was a good laugh. Also also, This right here is why of all the GLs, Jon Stewart will always be mine and I'm sure a lot of other 90s kids.
Alright, DCAU review and on monday no less.
AWESOME!
Fun fact that this storyline was clearly based on (with many changes) the opening White Martian storyline of the Morrison JLA book.
11:06: Seriously? Did you just reference the Tripod books? Dude, I read those books when I was in High school. They blew my mind as a kid with how creative they were.
I thought it was a loose reference to meet the Robinsons lol
@@elieeee6 No, though I wouldn't be surprised if Meet the Robinsons had some influence from the Tripod books.
In the Tripod books, aliens basically nuke humanity back to the medieval age and use these mind control caps, and the titular Tripod vehicle, to rule over the population from their domed cities that emulate their planets atmosphere.
what made the book interesting to me was how the author described modern day objects that have been forgotten to time, the aliens city, and even other people. There's this guy named Beanpole because he's tall, and he speaks in an accident making his real name sound like Beanpole (His real name was like Ben Paul or something. I think he was Scandinavian or Swedish.).
I remembered the books, but I could seriously not remember the titles or author.
There were a lot of books I read which that happened to, because I had teachers who would let me read any book in the back of the class provided I finished my classwork correctly. (They eventually regretted this decision as some other students begged for the same deal, and it made the teachers look bad they had students ... essentially speed-running their classwork.)
the fact a kids cartoon made a better shared universe and stories than an attempted cinematic universe shows why kids show can be better and the kids cartoon was actually more dark and made more sense then the work of snyder
You really should have used HISHE "Because I'm Batman!" clip when asking how Batman escaped.
Just an interesting note on the Martians using paralytic gas. The big reason chemical weapons are a war crime isn't cause "chemicals bad mkay" but because they are indisctimiate: they will hurt civilians. So in a scenario where there *are literally* no civilians its not really a war crime.
He did say they were desperate.
The guresome thing with martain manhunter is most likley the he's not human so it's ok classic kids show rule.
red blood bad
green blood good
@@jesusmora9379 blue blood is ok. Not as common but works fine.
Everytime I read DC Comics, I always hear these voices in my head and the weird cardboard dvd of the first 3 episodes was the first comic book anything i ever owned.
This is a fun story, but I’m surprised you didn’t mention that the Imperium Aliens seem to be inspired by the White Martians.
Good review though!
The world will tremble when Snapper Carr gets his hands on the infinity gauntlet
20:14 HISHE Batman: "Because I'm BATMAN!!!"
"I guess when you get frequently invaded by aliens and demons and stuff, landing on another planet just seems pretty mundane."
Very mundane in our world too. After the first two moon landings, interest in moon trips became basically non-existent. Cape Canaveral's tourism industry was hit hard by it and it caused many knock-on effects in the nearby towns and cities.
Did the theme tune change?
Sadly, yea
@@CaptainEnglehorn It will take getting used to.
@@gamestation2690 Why did it change?
@@Fox531CD I forgot.
I always figured that the reason Flash's voice was different was that the one seen on Superman was Barry Allen and by the time Justice League started, Wally West had taken over. Keep in mind, Jay Garrick's helmet and the Kid Flash costume would later be seen on display in the Flash Museum in the last season.
except they have the same personality.
Pretty sure they confirmed it was Wally in the Superman episode.
Bruce Timm may have screwed up The Killing Joke with it's... unnecessary additions, but you can't deny that he created one hell of an animated universe, one that is still remembered fondly to this day.
Yeah, while I am not overly opposed to the stuff with Bruce and Barbara (Seriously, this seems like Bruce Timm's ship and that's fine. To each their own), it's needless in the Killing Joke movie. Needless set up for a story which is powerful enough on its own.
The DCAU is a timeless creation however and is Bruce Timm's legacy.
In my opinion Brian Azzarello deserves some of the blame for how badly that film turned out.
@@Courageous91 It's not just his work. We also gotta give credit to Dwayne McDuffie, Paul Dini, Dan Riba and many others.
@@dnmstarsi - Absolutely, my comment is not meant to discredit all the amazing work that others put into the DCAU; merely stating that this universe is what Timm will be remembered for.
You were on fire with this one. I always love your back and forth between Batman and Superman.
The jokes kinda write themselves when watching the DCAU.
@@Pikachu2Ash true
I miss Dwyane McDuffie
I hope we get a Patreon sponsored review of a Static Shock Episode some day.
Wow i missed this back when the series premiered, I can't believe I never questioned the team's satellite lol
AKA: Justice League: The Movie
I remember catching the first part of Secret Origins on TV and never seeing the follow up episodes. Then when I was 15 I was able to buy the DVD and the DVD for Batman Beyond: Return of The Joker when my family was on holiday to Movie World (An Australian themepark on the goldcoast for Warner Bros. stuff, IDK what the American equivalent would be) and finally watch it through. Good times.
God I miss this show... really wish Cartoon Network would show Justice League/Unlimited again instead of shilling out Teen Titans Go all the time. Why yes, I am bitter.
Just get HBOMax. It's time to jump ship.
What's interesting about this is all the subtle parrells between the white Martians and H.G. Well's War of The Worlds. The Black smoke that the invaders pump into the air, is something from the book. The Tri-pods are an obvious reference. And even though it wasn't handled well at all i feel, the imperium is actually supposed to be a reference to what the Martians looked like in War of The Worlds