Thank you so much for this video. I’m a new archer and I have a cheap bow that is truly 45# 28” so I’m used to pulling 45#. Got this for Christmas so today I unboxed it and set it up and pulled on it with the arrows it came with in the kit and it feels a lot stronger than 45#’s because I’m so used to pulling that weight I know how it feels. 5#’s in a bow makes a huge difference. This video is helping me learn about the weight of the arrows needed for the weight of the bows.
I am glad this video helped you! I appreciate the feedback. If there is anything else, I can do to help you please free to contact me. Havea great day. Best regards
I bought mine from Sino Art. Got the Long Bow & the Recurve''' both are perfect in every detail, however,, if to do over I would have just got the recurve & bought the long bow limbs, since they interchange... Brace height is picky on this bow as to the '''NoiseLevel''' The sweet spot on mine is 7 1/4 - 7 1/2... & this is with a custom Flemish String, after of course left strung up & totally stretched. This bow also tends to prefer a slightly lower Nok set than the usual. Now at first my arrow flight was kinda like yours so I,ll share with you how I took care of this issue without buying more arrows. Of course this is only an option if you build your own arrows''''''as every serious archer should in my opinion''' It really only involves 3 things if you start with the proper Shaft....'''1''' 4 Fletch,, 4-5,in. Feathers...'''2'''' 50gr, or above insert''''I use 100gr.'' ''''3''' A head of at least 150gr. or more....I use 175- 250... For me this arrow set up is consistent & hits like a sledge hammer even used in my lighter weight Bows. Now with that said''' I am not a target archer, Im a hunter & my set up focus is'''weight up front,, stability in the back'''' & Kill Zone accuracy,, not little dots on paper & 1in, groups....Glad I came across your channel Scott, & hope my insight,, or part of'' is of some help....Cheers to all....& Stay Safe my friend... Oh'''' 1 more thing.... All my Bows run in weight range from 35 to 70 Lbs... with 40-50 as the prefered go to....
My friend thank you for such an in depth and insightful comment. I am always amazed at how awesome the archery community is here on the tube. I will definitely take your advice into consideration when I get ready to build some arrows for this bow. I can say the quick fix I used as a work around has been working well. I will reach out to you concerning the build when I venture down that path. Keep the comments coming my friend. Insight like this is why we are all here! Thank you again and have a great day brother!
I got the longbow and it slaps 55lb bow and 450 spine arrows it's the same thing just without the name lmao if you do your research all these are made by like the same company and then sold and others put the name on I and that's why I got the Sino art cause there the main creatures of the bow with your silly name on it ahahaha black hunter you pay like $50 more just for the name on It
setting the bow at its max brace height of 8" also stresses the limbs more. having a combination of maxed brace height with low gpp arrows will usually result in de-lamination over time. I always try for 10gpp with the lowest brace height that sounds relatively quiet.
The window for brace height on this bow is very small. Recommend is 7.5 to 8. I've found 7 3/4 to work well with it, using heavier arrows of course. It makes a noticeable difference is the way the bow handles. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. Have a great day my friend.
Thank you my friend. I wish I had gotten the longbow version. Heard good things about it. Definitely agree on proper arrow spine. I really appreciate your time my friend. Have a great evening. Best regards
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. I'm on the fence about keeping. Overall it's a well made bow and the weight difference can easily be worked around. How do you like the longbow version?
@@ScottWinters My only complaint is that it is too much draw weight for my shoulder. Personally, I am not as pleased with the Black Hunter as are most folks.
Got a 35# black hunter, was shooting it in with about 200 shot, after the string stopped stretching it measured in at 35.2 pounds, I put my brace height at 7 3/4 inches, now I am about 8000 shot in never had a problem with it, your model seems to be a bit different in limb shape where the limbs hit the raiser, since Amazon is full of different sellers for the same bow I would not be surprised if there is plenty of knock offs around, it just seems to be hit or miss as you said, great video anyway, maybe make another one after bow and string are shot in
Thanks for watching and commenting. Currently I'm about 5 to 600 shots in. New string , brace height at 7 3/4, and correct spined arrows. Overall I'm really enjoying the bow. The limbs do differ from others I've seen. Someone stated it could be the 60 MK 2, but I can't find anything thing that would confirm that. Agreed, there are so many offerings for this bow it's hard to keep up with them. I actually am recording the follow up for the bow this weekend, should be up by Sunday afternoon. I really appreciate you taking the time to make a comment on the video. Have a great day my friend!
I ordered the longbow version from Mandarin Duck. I think they may have been one of the first to sell the bow. The upper limb was messed up. I returned it. So I ordered another one but a recurve the 2nd time. I ordered a 45# bow. It said 45# but measured out to 55#. I returned it also. I just got another Black Hunter recurve. I ordered another 45# bow. It measured to 40#. I'm keeping this one. I got the "original" version, I like the tapered limbs where they attach to the riser.
I always wanted to try the longbow version but never got around to it. Hope you are enjoying your new bows. I’ve been told I don’t know what I was talking about when I discussed the QC issues with the bows. If you got a good one hang on to it. I appreciate your time and the comment. Have a great day. Best regards
I used to shoot it a good bit. Needs a new string and fresh setup. I may get around to it at some point. I appreciate your time my friend. Have a great evening. Best regards
That's awesome my friend. I've wondered about the longbow version. At the time I purchased mine I looked for a draw weight in the lb version but was unable to find my preferred weight. Maybe at some point I'll get the limbs and try it out. I appreciate you watching and taking the time to comment my friend. Have a great day, best regards.
Hello from one year in the future. I ordered a 45lbs Black Hunter recurve, measured it, and it was pretty much 45lbs @ 28 inches (technically my scale said 45.4, but that's probably just a small error on my part).
Glad yours measured out correctly they have been hit or miss from what I have seen review wise. It’s odd how it’s so varied between them. I am glad yours is as advertised. Always appreciate your time and comments Jackie. Have a great day. Best regards
I ordered the 45 lb limbs and on the scale they were 53lbs at my draw of 28 1/2 inch draw. I felt way over bowed. So I ordered 40 lb limbs and they scales at 46 lbs at my 28 1/2 draw.
Hello good sir! Very nice video,there is so much usefull info put into it,and thanks for being so open about the issues with the bow,most of people who review bows like that don't mention said problems,if there are some. Have a great day! :D
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment, it is appreciated. It's only fair to point out the bad as well as the good with products like this. Most people really want to make informed decisions when making these types of purchases. Thanks again and have a great day!
Thats what a review is for to point out the good and the bad. If you dont you arent doing a review, io help others make a well informed decision before they decide to spend money.
Totally agree mate ..... I just got a take-down Blackhunter recurve bow delivered today (Ali Express) ...... I ordered a 40lb ..... NO WAY is the bow I got today 40lb, even though it says 40lbs on the bottom limb ........ it's at LEAST 50lb (I haven't got scales to measure the poundage) and after coming off a 35lb bow after years of firing it, I thought I'd move-up to a 40lb, but jumping suddenly from a 35lb to a 50lb (at least!) I've found it's nigh-on impossible to draw my 30" arrows to their full length. All my arrows are 500 spine, with 100gr tips, so as you say, it's essential to get the correct poundage for them. I've emailed the company in China who supplied it, and requested 40lb limbs only. Waiting to hear back from them, but will let you know the outcome! And this time I've specifically asked them to CHECK the limb-poundage this time!!!! I'm still gonna' keep these 50lb limbs though - maybe one day I'll be strong-enough to use them🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I've only black hunter for two years 40 lb and when I checked it it was 43 that for a long time I shot 200 arrows a day the bow is great I put wool silencers the bowl is quiet quiet very smooths shooting bow
I also got the Longbow and the Recurve,ordered them both in 40# from different sellers,both turned out to be 35#.I mounted 14 strand Flemish Strings and shoot them with Carbon Express Predator 800,with a 60gr tip.The arrows are quite short,due to my 27" draw,but they fly just perfect.So these rrows are very lightweight,which might cause damage to the limbs,but I simply don't care.
How do you like the longbow version? I think it's a matter of preference as to what people use for arrows. It may well not have any adverse affect on the bow limbs. Just be safe out there shooting my friend. Thank you for taking the time to comment. Have a great day! Best regards
Nice little review man. I did a review on the longbow version, the cheaper one lol and had quality issues as well. nice little bows for the money though. Very honest review man keep them coming.
Thanks so much for watching and taking the time to comment. All in all the bow is a great deal at the price point, but these kind of oversights should not be the norm. Especially since a lot of the lower priced bows are appealing to people just starting out. Thanks again and have a great day!
I reviewed the Sinoart version on my channel. Same problems. Ordered 50#. Box was marked 55#. Limbs were marked 50#. Actually measured 45#. It came finished like garbage and had all kinds of weird goo all over it. Couldn’t send it back fast enough lol. I think the versions you buy from Lancaster Archery or Twiggs pass through some sort of quality control.
I believe I saw your review when I researched this bow before purchasing. Aside from the obvious draw weight issue, mine is actually good condition overall. I imagine being branded and offered under so many different names, there are probably a fair amount of seconds floating around that either fail QC or is overlooked all together. My friend I really appreciate you taking the time to comment. Have a great day brother!
@@ScottWinters I’m glad you got a good one. Seems like buying this sort of stuff from Amazon (actually buying anything from Amazon) is like the Wild West lol
I got a 40lb black hunter longbow (albeit a knockoff from sinoart) and it was actually 47lbs. It was pretty annoying considering the bow I got before that was a phantom that was marked 50lbs and was actually 65lbs... At least sinoart sent me 40lb recurve limbs free of charge and I got to keep the other limbs.
Hey Scott, nice review. It's good that you stress the safety aspects so thoroughly. As to the draw weight issue, I believe these bows originate in China, so evidently QC isn't a high priority. Still, it seems to be a nice bow for the money, even if you do have to invest in a dozen new arrows. I know exactly how you feel :-). Anyway, good luck with it.
Hey DS, great to hear from you. Thanks for watching and commenting. Agreed about the quality control issues. The bow is a good value, it's just the oversight on things like the draw weight issue that can be frustrating and potentially dangerous. I'm still on the fence with keeping it. I may pick up a few arrows to match it and test it a little more before I throw in the towel altogether on it. Thanks so much for watching and taking the time to comment. Have a great day my friend!
I got one of these a while back. 45#. Im a 27.5 pull. It registers at a 57#... I kept the old limbs and got 30s... That are checking at 38#.. Its still a bow. Probably give it to my son once hes strong enough.
Hi. Thanks for posting this. You should update video description to say "Black Hunter Mk II". I can tell this is the mk II because the limbs are cut square at the ends where it mounts to the riser. Mk I was shaped a bit different.
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. I checked the description of the bow from my order and it makes no mention of that, but that's not surprising. I had no idea about the limb shape designation but will look into it. I will make the correction on my next review of the bow in a week or so. Thanks again and have a great day!
@@ScottWinters I don't know if it matters that much, it's probably still a good bow. Just be aware that the earlier limbs will not fit on this new riser, or so Mandarin Duck has told me.
@@ScottWinters I'm a bit confused about all this as well. The Black Hunter has always been the Junxing model F-171 (recurve) or F-172 (longbow). Junxing site makes no mention of a mk II and the pictures shown there are obviously the syandard Black Hunter as we all know it. This could mean that it's just Mandarin Duck that has changed their version of the bow...
@@Thestripper1 Limb tips are totally different too, rounded rather than 'pointy'. That makes me think it's not made by Junxing and actually made by TopArchery, who also made a copy of the F-171/172 with rounded limb tips and two metal limb alignment pins on the riser.
Thanks for the info. I still have not found any other mention of the limb design. I guess with so many offerings on the market trying to wade through them all would be a chore. I really appreciate you taking the time to make a comment. Have a great day my friend! Best regards
Should be easy. You could use a little acetone to remove it. I would definitely use it sparingly to ensure it didn't hurt the finish on the bow. I appreciate the question and your time. Have a great evening. Best regards
I have the 50# black hunter recurve and the 45# black hunter longbow. Both were a little heavy on the draw. Not 5lbs heavy. If you leave them strung for a couple weeks, the draw weight will lessen a bit. That should make it feel more like what your used to. The black hunter recurves always tend to have a heavier than marked draw than the longbows so they can loose draw weight through use as it limbers up. Once it does you want it to still be 45# right?
Hey my friend, thanks for taking the time to watch and comment. I'm good with 50 pounds for this bow. If it does limber up a bit after some time with it, that wouldn't be a bad thing. Just out of curiosity, do you think leaving the bow strung up that long could have a negative longterm affect on the limbs? Thats interesting about the draw weight and the designated limb weight. Do you think the bow would continue to weaken over the life of the limbs? Just curious on your thoughts. All in all I am happy with the bow. After making a proper string and a correct set of arrows for it there have been no issues with how it shoots or stability of the limbs. I really appreciate your input my friend. Thanks and have a great evening.
I knew of guy who left a bow strung and forgot about it for maybe a year and it still performed well after discovering what he had done. I believe the bow was a Samick Sage. But anyway no real issues.
@@rayjones5014 if it's a quality bow. You can leave it strung,. Or unstrung. Doesn't really matter. I unstring mine so I have bow rack space but my hunting bow pretty much stays strung 24/7 365. A 1962 Bear Kodiak. I think these glass powered bows, not much of an issue. The custom bows that have a bamboo core and wood veneers. I would definitely unstring those bows after every use. But if you shoot it daily like you should be, if you're hunting with it, then I don't see why you would unstring it every time. I'd leave it strung. I've heard that old bows that haven't been shot in a while should be strung for a few days before you shoot it. Idk about that though. My uncle bought an old Black Widow from maybe the 80s from his good friend. Left unstrung for a long time. He strung it up, went to pull it back and it delaminated. Who knows how that bow was stored though.
What was the draw weight at seven and a half inch brace height? Five pounds on new limbs and a new string is nothing. What do the arrows you were shooting weigh. You should have at the least 7 grains for every pound of draw weight. Personally for a hunting arrow I prefer 10 grains or more. Don't worry about the spine yet. Keep the arrows in the right weight and shoot it until the limbs smooth out and the string stretches. If you are going to make a new string for it. Make it for the lower brace height. When it stretches twist it to keep the bow at the proper brace height. Once the string stretches then find arrows with the proper spine.
It would depend on your draw length. I would definitely start with a full length arrow shaft and build from there. I believe the goldtip arrows I use start at a 32.5 arrow length. Depending on your draw weight look for a spine that is recommended for that particular weight. After that it's a matter of getting the dynamic spine correct for the best arrow flight. I hope that helps you. Best regards
Hi Scott..thanks for the video. I recently bought this bow. I'm new to archery and, after watching yours and others reviews on this I decided to buy it as my first bow. It's also a 40lbs bow. On the limb it says it's 40bls @28". I measured my draw length and I have a draw length of about 30-31 inches. This bow being a 60" recurve, is it the wrong size for me? Regards, Phil.
That's a huge difference in advertised draw weight. There are some qc issues depending on what vendor is selling them. I took a fair amount of flack when I pointed out the draw weight issues with these. Honestly that was the only negative i had with the bow. I appreciate your time and the comment my friend. Have a great evening! Best regards
New to your video, very good. Question new to bows, looking at the black hunter elite, but trying to get what the difference is between the one in your video and the elite. Do you know?
Robert, other than the color I don't see much of a difference between the two. I can't find much info on this version. I would venture a guess the build material is the same. The specs seem the same as well. It does look nice. If you do go with this one let me know your thoughts on it. I would love to hear your feedback. Sorry I couldn't offer more help. Thank you for your time. Have a great day! Best regards
My draw lenght is 29", calculated at home on different methods. And Black hunter is 28" draw. If I get 30 pound one, would it fit? Am I hurting the bow with slightly longer draw?? Total begginer but did a load of reaserch and don't wanna butmy before I understand it all. Also which arrows you would reccomend? Spine value ? Plus 100 grain tips for hunting I will get at some point.
Great question. With a 29 inch draw length I would recommend a 62 inch bow. You might be pushing the BH a little over an extended period of time. I shot the one I had for a while, my draw length is 30 inches, I had no problem shooting it. I find it odd that it only has a 28 inch draw length? I feel the one I had at the time was stated as a longer draw length. I may be mistaken on that. The reason I suggest a longer bow is that you may feel it’s a bit cramped when shooting it. At 30 lbs draw weight I would suggest 600 spined arrows. I would also try 100 and 125 grained tips. You may find that one or the other works best. I hope this helps you. I will try to help in any way that I can. Don’t hesitate to ask all the questions you need to. Have a great evening. Best regards.
@@ScottWinters thanks a lot. Helped me already with my biggest question and that was arrow selection. And yeah it is 30lbs at 28" but I can shoot up to 31" draw. Will get 32# of power prob with my draw, which is nice. Will start as mentioned above and experiment. Need to practice shooting at the first place and will join archery club close by and will get more experience and tips. But will shout out if I will need something :D Maybe if you can reccomend some bow, available in Europe, I don"d mind spending +200 euros on something that will have better results. I would prefer something looking like an actual wood, more of traditional bow :D thanks a lot once again
I'm thinking about getting this bow myself and while I've had a few compound and traditional type bows in the past I don't actually know much about archery equipment. I have a compound bow with a broken string that I still have a dozen new arrows for and I'm wondering if the arrows will be safe to shoot in this bow. I've had several injuries so I've decided to get a 40 pound bow instead of a heavier one so I can learn to shoot properly. The arrows are Super Freaks and are for a 55-70 pound bow. They are 30 inch, 9.9gri, .301 O.D. arrows. I'm sure they are not ideal but would they be safe to shoot in a 40 pound bow? Thanks for any advice you could give me.
Definitely safe to shoot from a 40 lbs bow. There may he some flight issues with the arrows, but not a huge deal. A recurve will not have near the stored energy that a compound will to transfer to the arrow on release. I did the quick math, not knowing what field tip weight you are using, I just factored in 125 grains. You should be in the neighborhood of 10.5 grains per pound at 40 lbs. Thats more than sufficient for this bow. Of course the arrows may do well. You will know once yours start shooting it if you need to tune arrows specifically for your shooting needs. My friend any questions you have or advice I can offer feel free to ask! Let me know how you are on your journey with this. I hope you have a great evening my friend! Best regards.
@@ScottWinters Thanks for your advice, it's much appreciated!😊 I have 100 and 125 grain broadheads and if I remember correctly a couple weights of field tips. I would probably be better off using the lighter one's I imagine. Thanks again!
I wouldn't think so with it being fiberglass. I could be wrong though. I've never tinkered with building a bow so I'm not sure if that would harm the integrity of the limbs. It's a great question. Maybe somebody could offer she insight into it. I appreciate your time my friend. Have a great day. Best regards
@@ScottWinters I went from cheaper bows to expensive ones over the years and I have to say bows like the Black Hunter and Ghost Longbow have me wondering why I spent all that money. You should try a set of LB limbs on that BH when you can. I think you can still get a set of bamboo ones from Twig archery in Ohio. Thanks for your review video!
@@johnd7215 I have thought about sourcing the longbow limbs for it. I am a huge fan of my SWA Ghost and would be curious how it would compare to it. I am with you on your point about expensive vs inexpensive. The most expensive bow I own is my Galaxy Black Ridge LB. I have questioned that purchase several times. I really appreciate your time my friend. Have a great day!
@@ScottWinters Twig archery in Ohio would be where I would get BH limbs from. He should still have the bamboo. The owner John there will scale them for you too. Nice little shop to deal with. Best of luck Scott!
I have a bow rack full of nice shooters. Bear bows, Herters, and Shakespeare. Most I paid was $200 for a '62 Bear Kodiak in mint condition that came with a 60s grizzly. Some older fellow sold them to me. All my other bows are even less than that or free. So much cheaper compared to compound bows. It really does question why one would spend good $$ on a custom bow. I had a Big Jim Mountain Monarch in the works and after Big Jim screwed up my "custom" order. I demanded all my hard earned money back. $1,500 is a lot of guap for a bow. The bow was uglier than all get out and he ended up cutting into a 2-piece takedown when I requested a 1-piece bow. And then myrtle veneers and spalted maple limbs were atrocious. My '62 Bear Kodiak with its beautiful dark Brazilian rosewood is twice the bow that mistake would've been.
A question if you care to comment, the black hunter recurve at 45lb what arrow weight in your opinion is better?I saw in your one movie you did not like the 400's but prefered 380?
It's really a preference thing. The being 45 draw weight at 28 inches actually comes in around 48 to 49 pounds draw weight at my 30 inch draw length. I find that the 340 spined arrows perform better at that weight. You still have to tune them but not much. Also, fast flight string adds a little punch and weaker spines like 400's are very hard to tune without cutting them down excessively.. I hope that helps. I appreciate your time. Best regards
I have 2 Black Hunters, a Mark 1 in #40 and a Mark 2 with #30 and #60 limbs. The #30 is actually #35 the #40 is #45 and the #60 is a whopping #67 (ughhh).
I bought this bow for my daughter in 25lbs. Unfortunately the bow came with 31-32lbs. Manufacturing quality is quite good, but the bow us to heavy in draw weight.
The quality control for these bows is iffy at best. With some many vendors selling one version or the other, it seems to be a hit or miss scenario getting one in the specs needed. Agreed with the manufacturing quality, I really like mine in that respect. Have you contacted the seller or manufacturer to see if the correct limbs can be sourced? I would at least ask the question to see if it can be corrected. Best of luck my friend. I appreciate you taking the time to comment. Have a great day. Best regards
Thanks for the question. Just going by the specs listed for the bow, the maximum draw length is 31 inches. Going by what is listed in the specs, you could use this bow, but you would be at maximum length with it. I think at that draw length you might feel a bit cramped shooting it though. At my 30" draw it feels that way for me, your thoughts may be different of course. Personally I would look for something with a longer overall length. I recently tried and reviewed the Spyder Xl by Soutwest Archery. It's a 64" bow and accommodates longer draw lengths such as yours. Cost is about 149. SWA also has a Ghost Takedown Longbow that is 64" as well. These are the two I have experience with. I hope that helps you and I hope you find the right bow for your shooting needs. Have a great day, best regards.
It would be great if you could test 4 bows of the same poundage to compare, not very good when you come to order at a 40# weight, and you get way too heavy for draw weight. Or you can purchase new limbs.
I think that's why I gravitate towards take down bows, like you mentioned, one could always replace the limbs in additional weights. Coming in at 50 lbs is no deal breaker for me, for someone new and trying to figure it all out it may be troublesome. I am planning an update video on the BHR, it really is a good bow. I just think QC needs to be addressed in the draw weight area. Thanks for watching and commenting. Have great evening
From what I have researched the bamboo core limbs do loosen up a bit after continual use. I have noticed a 1 to 2 pound difference. I guess time will tell. I appreciate the comment my friend. Have a great evening. Best regards
Hey!! I am new to archery and I bought this bow as my first one. Ended up getting 35lbs limbs. While for me its ok when I invited my friends to shoot with me. To them 35lbs was somewhat of a challenge to pull back and hold for even 10 seconds. So i decided to buy another pair of limbs that are maybe 20 - 25lbs? However, since I am new to archery I am not sure how limbs work. The ones I find do not seem to have the little hole where the grip sets into. Could I get some recommendation for limbs or maybe I am looking at a wrong type of limbs?
Unless you are using an ILF bow you need to search for and purchase limbs specifically for the bow you purchased. It may take some time to find the exact limbs you need, but they are out there. Probably the easiest way to get the correct limbs is to go back to the manufacturer and source them that way. Best of luck on finding what you need and I hope you enjoy your new journey into the world of archery. Best regards my friend.
I bought one with 20lb limbs. It came in at about 25lbs but as I found with 7.5 draw it would loosen up quickly to closer to 20lbs. I think its more about the string than the bow.
Thanks for the comment my friend. It actually dropped about a pound lower, but it took a while for it to get there. Overall it's not a bad bow, just QC with so many vendors is hit or miss. I appreciate your time my friend. Best regards
The black hunter is not a bad bow. Where the bow becomes problematic is the fact that there are so many different vendors offering them you need to do a little review research before purchasing. Look for customer feedback/reviews and read a lot of them. I hear a lot of people that have bought the Sino Art black hunter and have not had any issues with them. Also, if you are a taller archer the sight window can tend to feel a little cramped, due to the length of the riser. All that being said I own two bows by Southwest Archery and both are solid shooters, coming in under 200. The Spyder XL and The Ghost Longbow. Best advice is to start with a comfortable draw weight no mater which bow you choose. As you grow into it you will have a better idea of what you feel will work for you. I really hope that helps you. I wish you all the best in finding that right bow to start your journey with. I hope you have a great evening my friend. Best Regards
@@ScottWinters yeah i saw some old purchases have some problems .. but i will talk with the seller before my purchase, And I will check 2 bows you mentioned .. thanks for your help man :x
@@mohammads7647 no problem my friend. The SWA bows are great deals. I am not pushing a product for them, I've just been well satisfied with the two I have purchased. Have a great day. Best regards
Nice bow. Order from a reputable shop and you can get them to scale it for you. Limbs for this bow came in either maple core or bamboo and recurve or longbow. Nicer to know exactly what your getting. Nice shooting bow though. Actually, it was one of the nicest shooting 60" bows I have tried.
John thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. After giving the bow a proper setup and arrows spined and weighted for the draw weight, it actually has been a nice shooter. I think the biggest detractor of the bow is there is no consistency between offerings. Not that there would be. I verified the draw weight thankfully. As long as there are no other issues (none that I have experienced so far), I plan to keep and use it. I appreciate you taking the time to make a comment. Have a great day my friend!
It depends on your draw length and draw weight. Use a spine chart for the arrows you intend to use to find the correct spine. The longer the arrow you use the more room you have to tune them to your particular setup. Best of luck finding the right arrow for your needs. Best regards
Hey Scott thanks for your great and honest review. Here in Germany the Black Hunter is available from different Manufacturers. Have you bought the one from Mandarin Duck?
I have not purchased the one from mandarin duck, but have heard great things about it. It's the same way here. Many different companies putting out a similar product. I just wish QC was better to avoid these situations. Thanks so much for watching and taking the time to comment. Have a great day!
It's important to give your source. The Black Hunter varies by who you get them from. Fitting and supplied accessories vary and there are also quality variances. Some vendors only buy seconds and there are issues. Bought mine from Linkboy archery on ali express. One longbow at 45# and a 60" recurve at 30#. Both are accurate to within a half pound at 28". I got my riser height from many youtube reviews that put the measurement at 7 to 8 inches. I have them both at 7" and am happy with that. No arm protection needed. Just received my extra limbs for the long bow from the same vender at 35# and 60#s. Have not had a chance to test them yet.
All reviews I have seen have draw weight discrepancies. I believe what you stated about seconds being prevelant between vendors. Quality is not an issue with mine. It's really a well put together bow with the exception of an incorrect draw weight on the lower limb. After a proper setup, new string and correct spined and weighted arrows I've not had any issues with the performance of the bow. Brace height is definitely going to vary between bows. Mine shoots well at 8 inches. Let me know how the new limbs perform. I really appreciate you watching the video and taking the time to comment. Have a great evening my friend.
Very good and convincing explanation of the possible hazards Scott. It goes without saying that we should always be aware of potential hazards when involved in any activity and always take the appropriately measures to minimise the risks.
For the money it's unbeatable. At 40# it's a very easy bow to shoot and does very well with cheap and not so cheap arrows. After shooting it for several months I only wish it was a bit heavier. But it is still legal in most states I believe so no worries.
I am not sure. I did not weigh the riser when I owned the bow. If I recall correctly the total bow eight was very light. Apologies I couldn’t be more specific. Have a great day. Best regards
Thank you. I have the Black hunter metal riser (Junxing 178A). I love this bow except for the weight of the riser, .82kg/1.74lbs. I am trying to find out the weight difference between the wood & metal riser.
This is a generic made in china bow, i got mine on aliexpress, it wasn't called a black hunter there, it was called ameyxgs archery and unless you got it shipped direct from china, i suspect you'd get charged double from a reseller that made up a name for it
I think a lot of these are seconds or rebranded as you stated. Just a quick search brings up a lot of different sellers for this and the longbow version. Thanks for taking the time to comment, I appreciate your time. Have a great day. Best regards
That's seems to be the common theme with these bows. Overall I like the bow, but I feel they could do so much better in this area. How do you like your bow?
@@ScottWinters The bow with its original limbs of 35lb is great but l wanted to drop poundage due to shoulder problems.All credit to Mandarin Duck they refunded the cost of the limbs .
Lol, but in all honesty every bow I have ever purchased at the very least comes with a spec sheet, company contact info, warranty info etc. Assembly is straightforward. You'd be surprised how many people have no clue what to do when they open a package like that. Thanks for watching and commenting, have a great day!
@@ScottWinters You are so right about that. Just today I read a one star review. A virulent complaint about the fact the bow was half right hand/half left hand and how poorly made it is and this person put up a photo...I'm still laughing. The photo shows that he strung the bow on the wrong side of the limbs and to compare, he shows his other bow ...Strung the exact same way. This is not a joke. The guy didn't see the grooves in the limbs, didn't consider the grip orientation, nothing. It's beyond absurd but he did it and complained. His two bows are strung the same way. I took photos of both the bows and his complaint. If you're interested, I'll email that to you. As for the Black Hunter, I pulled the trigger yesterday for a recurve at 55# and longbow limbs at 55#. They arrived at 11am. The recurve was at least at 65lbs but other than that it was perfect but I ordered it for practice and wanted it lighter than my other bows. The longbow limbs were so unmatched that the top limb was bending like a fishing pole while he bottom one had the proper reflex/deflex. It wasn't showing when unstrung. I strung it again and without drawing it the top limb had adopted that fishing pole bent position. I bought these items on Amazon. By 4 pm I had returned them to UPS, by 6pm, I had my refunds. This is beyond good service from Amazon. I have several other longbows all above 60 lbs I hunt with. The BH recurve was harder to pull than my heaviest bow which has a draw weight of 67lbs. Their QC is not good. one or two pounds are ok, but not this.
Thank for this comment! Unfortunately it does happen this way sometimes. I would definitely like to see the photos. Please send them along. I took a fair amount of heat for stating my thoughts, but I stand by them. To be fair, not everyone has the same experience and I can respect that. I try look at it from a new archers perspective. Hopefully it helps. I really appreciate your time my friend. Have a great evening best regards
I bought a 35-pound to use as a practice bow. The quality seems great. It’s a beautiful bow but i also felt it is way more than 35. Measured and found my bow measures 46 pounds at 28”. Big difference. But I like the bow and will keep it. But wish it would have been the #35 I ordered…
It would be great if they could get this part of QC figured out. I have seen more than review / post about draw weight issues. At least you can use it even though it's a disappointment you didn't get what you wanted. I really appreciate your time my friend. I hope you have a great Thanksgiving. Best regards.
Wanna trade limbs? I ordered 60 and received 40. Come to think of it, I ordered mine about 2 years ago, about the time this video was made. Maybe they switched our orders.
I've st up around 7 or 8 of the same bow. I own 3 bows (44lb 60lb recurve and 55lb longbow) Every single bow was spot on poundage. They don't have the unpacking experience of a new ipod but its s tool bro what do you want. I hate the Chinese government as much as anyone but God damn do they make an affordable bow.
Thanks for taking the time to comment. I appreciate your time. Overall it's a decent bow and yes, you get what you pay for. I want try the longbow version at some point. I've heard better things about it. Thanks again for your time. Have a great day. Best regards.
I hear folks claim that bow will "Explode " I'm not sure a slightly incorrect arrow spine will cause a bow or arrow to EXPLODE!! hahaha. I've had a arrow break or splinter because it was already cracked . your safe to shoot a arrow that isn't damaged that fits a 40lb with a 50lb... it will only affect it'd flight ... Has anyone ever seen a arrow or bow EXPLODE? I think that would be a great video and someone should try to make that happen. It would go viral
Thanks for taking the time to watch and taking the time to comment. I appreciate it. You are correct, a slightly incorrect arrow spine will be ok. The only negatives will be erratic and inconsistent arrow flight or poor bow performance . When you use an arrow that is greatly under spined is where the problem could present itself. It's so easy to shoot "whatever" is on hand at the moment. Never a good idea. The transfer of energy from the limbs to the arrow can produce enough force to break an arrow. There have been enough accounts of people making trips to the er to remove broken arrows from their hand. Were the arrows under spined, damaged or cracked? Could be one or many issues when this happens. Plus, If you add a heavy front load to an arrow that is under spined for the draw weight of the bow, it increases the odds of failure. Arrows flex a great deal when fired if that tolerance is exceeded it could reach a breaking point. What's the breaking point is a good question and not one that I want to experiment with personally. Yes, cracked and damaged arrows are never safe to shoot, that should be a given. Unfortunately some never think to check for these issues before shooting. Bow explosions can and do happen when you dry fire a bow. Explosion is a dramatic way to describe this,, but it is the nomenclature used. if the energy stored in the limbs at full draw cannot be transfered from the limbs safely, the limbs absorb this energy and can shatter, break, delaminate the limbs. Again, not using the correct weight arrow can add to and compound to this problem. You might get away with it for a while, but the stress being placed on the limbs will eventually lead to damage or outright failure of your bow. There plenty of videos demonstrating bow limb failures due to dry fire. They make me cringe when I watch them, and I hope I never experience this firsthand. Manufacturing flaws can cause this to happen as well. There are many factors that can lead to bow and arrow failures. It's always best practice to eliminate the obvious before even putting yourself in a bad situation. Making sure you use the correct equipment is always best practice. I will always stress the safety side of archery because bad things can happen if approached with a haphazard attitude. Better to be overly cautious with the details. So the main question is, will it happen? Maybe maybe not, but the possibility is always there. I'm not sure I want to have video go viral because I did something unsafe. Have a great day my friend.
If you look at the tips on these bows looks like they have been dipped and surfaced some how probably why weight is off Gordon glass one thickness tips glued on
Bruh I just ordered the 55 pounder and it feels like a million. So, I bought some 35s to practice with. I just put em on. Can't wait. Don't buy the 55!!
Apologies for the delay in response. I think 50 is my limit. What arrow are you shooting at 55 pounds? I think getting the lower weight for practice is an excellent idea. Its easier to dial in the fundamentals using a lower weight. Thanks for watching and commenting. Have a great day my friend!
@@ScottWinters I just bought my bow a week ago, and I've had the 35lb limbs since Tuesday. I've only had the chance to practice once, I'm learning from you and a couple of other channels. My arrows are 30in, w a 500 spine, and 100gr fieldtips. I bought a 24x24 target and I was putting all 24 arrows in it from about 20 yards before I was through. I added a set of finger savers cause its just too damn hot for a glove in Ga. I'm gna try shooting three under tonite instead of one and two. I heard its easier to aim that way. But, brother I'm clueless, and welcome ANY advice for someone teaching themselves. Aiming and accuracy, are they learned or do they come w practice only? Great content my brother, stay safe. Wwg1wga
Johnny, aiming and accuracy come with time. If you focus on your form and try to get a consistent anchor and clean release you will see your accuracy improve greatly. Aiming is subjective, meaning everyone has their own special MOJO when it comes to that. It's a hard one to explain. Try this, shoot at a blank target, watch your groupings. If you group to the left adjust your posture to the right, slightly. This will apply to all aspects of shooting - left, right, up, and down. Always make minor adjustments along the way. If your form, and anchor are consistent your groupings will most likely be consistent, give or take a few inches, and a few fliers (lol happens to me all the time).. Try this at 10 yards until you feel comfortable with arrow placenent on the target then move to 15 and 20 yards. After a while you will develope an aiming technique that will be your own. This has worked for me, but again everyone approaches it differently. Remember there are no right or wrong rules when it comes to this. Not to get to specific, what part of GA are you from? I can agree the heat and humidity here is horrendous. Best of luck on developing your accuracy. If I can help in any way let me know brother. Have a great day my friend.
@@thetruthhertz2970 Three under can be a problem on these bored where you cannot adjust tiller. You can adjust tiller on ILF bows. Over tried 3 under on my Lancaster Edge (a nicer, improved Samick Sage, essentially) and it is harsh on the limbs, and loud. It's louder the lower you move 3 finger on the string to range adjust. I think over time you will wreck your limbs with 3 under.
Look, 5# isnt that big a deal, you are talking about a cheap chinese bow anyways, what do you expect for $110? 5# variancr can be tuned out usually anyways. everyone should be bareshaft tuning the arrow to the bow.
Agreed with your comment. Not much expected from these bows. QC is definitely hit or miss with this one. I appreciate your comment my friend. Have a great evening! Best regards
In short: It's a very nice bow, but he is very disappointed, cause he has to buy new arrows, because the draw weight is much higher than expected. Somehow he thinks that's worth repeating a million times.
How long have you been making your own? I've said it before, but I would like to try my hand at it one day. Thanks for commenting. Have a great evening. Best regards
@@ScottWinters Hey Scott been making and playing with bows for bout 30 plus years never had real good shop set up but made some nice bows lately been making some laminated long bows without glass some with bamboo give it a shot
Man that's awesome. I'm always fascinated with people that can make them and make them work. I'm always getting closer to taking the plunge and trying it. I really appreciate your time my friend.
@@stevengoff5291 would definitely like some pictures of some you have done. I'm wanting to add an archers spotlight to my website to showcase archers bow pictures and possibly shooting outings. If you would like for me to add a few from you definitely let me know.
I’d send it back if they can’t get it right you could possibly hurt yourself or damage the bow then your out of the money and with things the way they are now days money is tight I would personally stick with the Samick Sage as beginning bow you k ow what you’ve got with them and they been proven
That's my initial thought. What bothers me is that people will buy a bow like this to get into archery because of the price point. With oversights like this it makes for unsafe shooting conditions for new archers. I really appreciate you taking the time to comment. Have a great day my friend.
@@ScottWinters thanks and I totally agree with that price point but the nice thing is that for a few dollars more you can pick your self up a more reliable one in the Samick Sage I’d be interested in what they tell you if or when you send it back to them. Maybe if you do that you could do a quick update about that thanks have a good day also
I disagree. I have both bows and the black hunter is a superior bow in looks, fit and finish, and most importantly performance. As long as the Black Hunter is still sold at reasonable prices, I'll never touch a Samick Sage again.
@@JW-bw8nj I don't like black... I like natural wood color. so visually I like the sage better. As for shooting... my sage outperforms the old black I have. It's probably the lb age though.
Thank you so much for this video. I’m a new archer and I have a cheap bow that is truly 45# 28” so I’m used to pulling 45#. Got this for Christmas so today I unboxed it and set it up and pulled on it with the arrows it came with in the kit and it feels a lot stronger than 45#’s because I’m so used to pulling that weight I know how it feels. 5#’s in a bow makes a huge difference. This video is helping me learn about the weight of the arrows needed for the weight of the bows.
I am glad this video helped you! I appreciate the feedback. If there is anything else, I can do to help you please free to contact me. Havea great day. Best regards
I was looking to get into archery, and I'm happy I discovered your channel.
Thank you my friend! If I can help in any way dont hesitate to ask. Have a great evening. Best regards
Cool video, loved the slide guitar and your back yard....Thanks
I bought mine from Sino Art. Got the Long Bow & the Recurve''' both are perfect in every detail, however,, if to do over I would have just got the recurve & bought the long bow limbs, since they interchange... Brace height is picky on this bow as to the '''NoiseLevel''' The sweet spot on mine is 7 1/4 - 7 1/2... & this is with a custom Flemish String, after of course left strung up & totally stretched. This bow also tends to prefer a slightly lower Nok set than the usual. Now at first my arrow flight was kinda like yours so I,ll share with you how I took care of this issue without buying more arrows. Of course this is only an option if you build your own arrows''''''as every serious archer should in my opinion''' It really only involves 3 things if you start with the proper Shaft....'''1''' 4 Fletch,, 4-5,in. Feathers...'''2'''' 50gr, or above insert''''I use 100gr.'' ''''3''' A head of at least 150gr. or more....I use 175- 250... For me this arrow set up is consistent & hits like a sledge hammer even used in my lighter weight Bows. Now with that said''' I am not a target archer, Im a hunter & my set up focus is'''weight up front,, stability in the back'''' & Kill Zone accuracy,, not little dots on paper & 1in, groups....Glad I came across your channel Scott, & hope my insight,, or part of'' is of some help....Cheers to all....& Stay Safe my friend... Oh'''' 1 more thing.... All my Bows run in weight range from 35 to 70 Lbs... with 40-50 as the prefered go to....
My friend thank you for such an in depth and insightful comment. I am always amazed at how awesome the archery community is here on the tube. I will definitely take your advice into consideration when I get ready to build some arrows for this bow. I can say the quick fix I used as a work around has been working well. I will reach out to you concerning the build when I venture down that path. Keep the comments coming my friend. Insight like this is why we are all here! Thank you again and have a great day brother!
I got the longbow and it slaps
55lb bow and 450 spine arrows it's the same thing just without the name lmao if you do your research all these are made by like the same company and then sold and others put the name on I and that's why I got the Sino art cause there the main creatures of the bow with your silly name on it ahahaha black hunter you pay like $50 more just for the name on It
Are the Mandarin Duck and SinoArt bows from the same manufacturer or just (strikingly) similar in design? 🤔
setting the bow at its max brace height of 8" also stresses the limbs more.
having a combination of maxed brace height with low gpp arrows will usually result in de-lamination over time.
I always try for 10gpp with the lowest brace height that sounds relatively quiet.
The window for brace height on this bow is very small. Recommend is 7.5 to 8. I've found 7 3/4 to work well with it, using heavier arrows of course. It makes a noticeable difference is the way the bow handles. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. Have a great day my friend.
I've got the longbow version, 50#. Love it. Definitely true, bow weight/spine makes a difference. Great review.
Thank you my friend. I wish I had gotten the longbow version. Heard good things about it. Definitely agree on proper arrow spine.
I really appreciate your time my friend. Have a great evening. Best regards
Yes, sir. My Black Hunter Longbow arrived at 50#. I kept it, but finally got the45# Recurve.
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. I'm on the fence about keeping. Overall it's a well made bow and the weight difference can easily be worked around. How do you like the longbow version?
@@ScottWinters My only complaint is that it is too much draw weight for my shoulder. Personally, I am not as pleased with the Black Hunter as are most folks.
Got a 35# black hunter, was shooting it in with about 200 shot, after the string stopped stretching it measured in at 35.2 pounds, I put my brace height at 7 3/4 inches, now I am about 8000 shot in never had a problem with it, your model seems to be a bit different in limb shape where the limbs hit the raiser, since Amazon is full of different sellers for the same bow I would not be surprised if there is plenty of knock offs around, it just seems to be hit or miss as you said, great video anyway, maybe make another one after bow and string are shot in
Thanks for watching and commenting. Currently I'm about 5 to 600 shots in. New string , brace height at 7 3/4, and correct spined arrows. Overall I'm really enjoying the bow. The limbs do differ from others I've seen. Someone stated it could be the 60 MK 2, but I can't find anything thing that would confirm that. Agreed, there are so many offerings for this bow it's hard to keep up with them. I actually am recording the follow up for the bow this weekend, should be up by Sunday afternoon.
I really appreciate you taking the time to make a comment on the video. Have a great day my friend!
@@ScottWinters will watch the update for sure, appreciate the response, keep it up
I ordered the longbow version from Mandarin Duck. I think they may have been one of the first to sell the bow. The upper limb was messed up. I returned it. So I ordered another one but a recurve the 2nd time. I ordered a 45# bow. It said 45# but measured out to 55#. I returned it also. I just got another Black Hunter recurve. I ordered another 45# bow. It measured to 40#. I'm keeping this one. I got the "original" version, I like the tapered limbs where they attach to the riser.
I always wanted to try the longbow version but never got around to it. Hope you are enjoying your new bows. I’ve been told I don’t know what I was talking about when I discussed the QC issues with the bows. If you got a good one hang on to it. I appreciate your time and the comment. Have a great day. Best regards
Cool seeing an old Reflex compound. Those were good bows back in the day.
I used to shoot it a good bit. Needs a new string and fresh setup. I may get around to it at some point. I appreciate your time my friend. Have a great evening. Best regards
ive had a black hunter, 45 lb , ff, great bow, mines the longbow, about a year, its my fav to just shoot, wooden arrows , fun
That's awesome my friend. I've wondered about the longbow version. At the time I purchased mine I looked for a draw weight in the lb version but was unable to find my preferred weight. Maybe at some point I'll get the limbs and try it out. I appreciate you watching and taking the time to comment my friend. Have a great day, best regards.
Hullo Doug, what arrow weight did you find was best for accuracy with a 28 draw.
Hello from one year in the future. I ordered a 45lbs Black Hunter recurve, measured it, and it was pretty much 45lbs @ 28 inches (technically my scale said 45.4, but that's probably just a small error on my part).
Glad yours measured out correctly they have been hit or miss from what I have seen review wise. It’s odd how it’s so varied between them. I am glad yours is as advertised.
Always appreciate your time and comments Jackie. Have a great day. Best regards
I ordered the 45 lb limbs and on the scale they were 53lbs at my draw of 28 1/2 inch draw. I felt way over bowed. So I ordered 40 lb limbs and they scales at 46 lbs at my 28 1/2 draw.
Ive owned one for 9 months. Very fast bow. Started with 30 lbs. then 35 then 40. Limbs are $50. Just got a Satori clone.
Awesome my friend. How do you like that Satori clone? Have a great day. Best regards
@@ScottWinters I've had it only for a week. I love it. Fast. Even pull, after I put on string silencers. Much quieter too.
also I measured each of my limbs and they were right on. So is the clone.
Sounds like you are really enjoying it. I think it's awesome when you find something you like that fits. Thanks for sharing, happy shooting my friend!
In between the limbs and the riser I place a thin piece of leather in place of the felt. it works wonders.
Thanks for the advice, it's appreciated. Have a great day my friend.
Hello good sir! Very nice video,there is so much usefull info put into it,and thanks for being so open about the issues with the bow,most of people who review bows like that don't mention said problems,if there are some. Have a great day! :D
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment, it is appreciated. It's only fair to point out the bad as well as the good with products like this. Most people really want to make informed decisions when making these types of purchases. Thanks again and have a great day!
Thats what a review is for to point out the good and the bad. If you dont you arent doing a review, io help others make a well informed decision before they decide to spend money.
Thanks for taking the time to comment I appreciate your time. Have a great day, best regards
Totally agree mate ..... I just got a take-down Blackhunter recurve bow delivered today (Ali Express) ...... I ordered a 40lb ..... NO WAY is the bow I got today 40lb, even though it says 40lbs on the bottom limb ........ it's at LEAST 50lb (I haven't got scales to measure the poundage) and after coming off a 35lb bow after years of firing it, I thought I'd move-up to a 40lb, but jumping suddenly from a 35lb to a 50lb (at least!) I've found it's nigh-on impossible to draw my 30" arrows to their full length. All my arrows are 500 spine, with 100gr tips, so as you say, it's essential to get the correct poundage for them. I've emailed the company in China who supplied it, and requested 40lb limbs only. Waiting to hear back from them, but will let you know the outcome! And this time I've specifically asked them to CHECK the limb-poundage this time!!!! I'm still gonna' keep these 50lb limbs though - maybe one day I'll be strong-enough to use them🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I've only black hunter for two years 40 lb and when I checked it it was 43 that for a long time I shot 200 arrows a day the bow is great I put wool silencers the bowl is quiet quiet very smooths shooting bow
I also got the Longbow and the Recurve,ordered them both in 40# from different sellers,both turned out to be 35#.I mounted 14 strand Flemish Strings and shoot them with Carbon Express Predator 800,with a 60gr tip.The arrows are quite short,due to my 27" draw,but they fly just perfect.So these rrows are very lightweight,which might cause damage to the limbs,but I simply don't care.
How do you like the longbow version? I think it's a matter of preference as to what people use for arrows. It may well not have any adverse affect on the bow limbs. Just be safe out there shooting my friend. Thank you for taking the time to comment. Have a great day! Best regards
Nice little review man. I did a review on the longbow version, the cheaper one lol and had quality issues as well. nice little bows for the money though. Very honest review man keep them coming.
Thanks so much for watching and taking the time to comment. All in all the bow is a great deal at the price point, but these kind of oversights should not be the norm. Especially since a lot of the lower priced bows are appealing to people just starting out. Thanks again and have a great day!
The limb tip didn't hold up for me after my 3rd shot, contacted the manufacturers and they're dealing with it. Updating soon.
Thanks ffit the comment my friend. Sorry you had that experience. Let me know how it turns out. Have a great day. Best regards
You are easy to listen to, nice presentation, your subscription numbers will continue to grow,
Thank you Cliff! I really appreciate the kind words. Have a great day friend! Best Regards
I reviewed the Sinoart version on my channel. Same problems. Ordered 50#. Box was marked 55#. Limbs were marked 50#. Actually measured 45#. It came finished like garbage and had all kinds of weird goo all over it. Couldn’t send it back fast enough lol. I think the versions you buy from Lancaster Archery or Twiggs pass through some sort of quality control.
I believe I saw your review when I researched this bow before purchasing. Aside from the obvious draw weight issue, mine is actually good condition overall. I imagine being branded and offered under so many different names, there are probably a fair amount of seconds floating around that either fail QC or is overlooked all together. My friend I really appreciate you taking the time to comment. Have a great day brother!
@@ScottWinters I’m glad you got a good one. Seems like buying this sort of stuff from Amazon (actually buying anything from Amazon) is like the Wild West lol
Agree with that my friend.
Enjoyed it..You have a sweet little release there!
Thanks my friend. I appreciate you taking the time to comment. Have a great evening. Best regards
I got a 40lb black hunter longbow (albeit a knockoff from sinoart) and it was actually 47lbs. It was pretty annoying considering the bow I got before that was a phantom that was marked 50lbs and was actually 65lbs... At least sinoart sent me 40lb recurve limbs free of charge and I got to keep the other limbs.
Hey Scott, nice review. It's good that you stress the safety aspects so thoroughly. As to the draw weight issue, I believe these bows originate in China, so evidently QC isn't a high priority.
Still, it seems to be a nice bow for the money, even if you do have to invest in a dozen new arrows. I know exactly how you feel :-). Anyway, good luck with it.
Hey DS, great to hear from you. Thanks for watching and commenting. Agreed about the quality control issues. The bow is a good value, it's just the oversight on things like the draw weight issue that can be frustrating and potentially dangerous. I'm still on the fence with keeping it. I may pick up a few arrows to match it and test it a little more before I throw in the towel altogether on it. Thanks so much for watching and taking the time to comment. Have a great day my friend!
I got one of these a while back. 45#. Im a 27.5 pull. It registers at a 57#... I kept the old limbs and got 30s... That are checking at 38#.. Its still a bow. Probably give it to my son once hes strong enough.
Hi. Thanks for posting this. You should update video description to say "Black Hunter Mk II". I can tell this is the mk II because the limbs are cut square at the ends where it mounts to the riser. Mk I was shaped a bit different.
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. I checked the description of the bow from my order and it makes no mention of that, but that's not surprising. I had no idea about the limb shape designation but will look into it. I will make the correction on my next review of the bow in a week or so. Thanks again and have a great day!
@@ScottWinters I don't know if it matters that much, it's probably still a good bow. Just be aware that the earlier limbs will not fit on this new riser, or so Mandarin Duck has told me.
@@ScottWinters I'm a bit confused about all this as well. The Black Hunter has always been the Junxing model F-171 (recurve) or F-172 (longbow). Junxing site makes no mention of a mk II and the pictures shown there are obviously the syandard Black Hunter as we all know it. This could mean that it's just Mandarin Duck that has changed their version of the bow...
@@Thestripper1 Limb tips are totally different too, rounded rather than 'pointy'. That makes me think it's not made by Junxing and actually made by TopArchery, who also made a copy of the F-171/172 with rounded limb tips and two metal limb alignment pins on the riser.
Thanks for the info. I still have not found any other mention of the limb design. I guess with so many offerings on the market trying to wade through them all would be a chore. I really appreciate you taking the time to make a comment. Have a great day my friend! Best regards
how easy would it be to remove the black hunter logo from the riser
Should be easy. You could use a little acetone to remove it. I would definitely use it sparingly to ensure it didn't hurt the finish on the bow. I appreciate the question and your time. Have a great evening. Best regards
I have the 50# black hunter recurve and the 45# black hunter longbow. Both were a little heavy on the draw. Not 5lbs heavy. If you leave them strung for a couple weeks, the draw weight will lessen a bit. That should make it feel more like what your used to. The black hunter recurves always tend to have a heavier than marked draw than the longbows so they can loose draw weight through use as it limbers up. Once it does you want it to still be 45# right?
Hey my friend, thanks for taking the time to watch and comment. I'm good with 50 pounds for this bow. If it does limber up a bit after some time with it, that wouldn't be a bad thing. Just out of curiosity, do you think leaving the bow strung up that long could have a negative longterm affect on the limbs? Thats interesting about the draw weight and the designated limb weight. Do you think the bow would continue to weaken over the life of the limbs? Just curious on your thoughts. All in all I am happy with the bow. After making a proper string and a correct set of arrows for it there have been no issues with how it shoots or stability of the limbs.
I really appreciate your input my friend. Thanks and have a great evening.
I knew of guy who left a bow strung and forgot about it for maybe a year and it still performed well after discovering what he had done. I believe the bow was a Samick Sage. But anyway no real issues.
@@rayjones5014 if it's a quality bow. You can leave it strung,. Or unstrung. Doesn't really matter. I unstring mine so I have bow rack space but my hunting bow pretty much stays strung 24/7 365. A 1962 Bear Kodiak. I think these glass powered bows, not much of an issue. The custom bows that have a bamboo core and wood veneers. I would definitely unstring those bows after every use. But if you shoot it daily like you should be, if you're hunting with it, then I don't see why you would unstring it every time. I'd leave it strung. I've heard that old bows that haven't been shot in a while should be strung for a few days before you shoot it. Idk about that though. My uncle bought an old Black Widow from maybe the 80s from his good friend. Left unstrung for a long time. He strung it up, went to pull it back and it delaminated. Who knows how that bow was stored though.
What was the draw weight at seven and a half inch brace height? Five pounds on new limbs and a new string is nothing. What do the arrows you were shooting weigh. You should have at the least 7 grains for every pound of draw weight. Personally for a hunting arrow I prefer 10 grains or more. Don't worry about the spine yet. Keep the arrows in the right weight and shoot it until the limbs smooth out and the string stretches. If you are going to make a new string for it. Make it for the lower brace height. When it stretches twist it to keep the bow at the proper brace height. Once the string stretches then find arrows with the proper spine.
I’m looking to buy a bow (most likely to be this one) and i have a 6’3 wingspan, does having a specific arrow that i would need?
It would depend on your draw length. I would definitely start with a full length arrow shaft and build from there. I believe the goldtip arrows I use start at a 32.5 arrow length. Depending on your draw weight look for a spine that is recommended for that particular weight. After that it's a matter of getting the dynamic spine correct for the best arrow flight. I hope that helps you. Best regards
Hi Scott..thanks for the video. I recently bought this bow. I'm new to archery and, after watching yours and others reviews on this I decided to buy it as my first bow. It's also a 40lbs bow. On the limb it says it's 40bls @28". I measured my draw length and I have a draw length of about 30-31 inches. This bow being a 60" recurve, is it the wrong size for me?
Regards, Phil.
I bought the 35# Black Hunter and it measured 42# at 28".
That's a huge difference in advertised draw weight. There are some qc issues depending on what vendor is selling them. I took a fair amount of flack when I pointed out the draw weight issues with these. Honestly that was the only negative i had with the bow. I appreciate your time and the comment my friend. Have a great evening! Best regards
New to your video, very good. Question new to bows, looking at the black hunter elite, but trying to get what the difference is between the one in your video and the elite.
Do you know?
Robert, other than the color I don't see much of a difference between the two. I can't find much info on this version. I would venture a guess the build material is the same. The specs seem the same as well. It does look nice. If you do go with this one let me know your thoughts on it. I would love to hear your feedback. Sorry I couldn't offer more help. Thank you for your time. Have a great day! Best regards
@@ScottWinters thank you. Will let you know, waiting to see if the seller can get it 30 or 35 lbs. Looking at getting into bowing.
Awesome brother. Hopefully you can get the one you want. Definitely let me know. Have a great evening.
@@ScottWinters got the galaxy Sage Elite. Price too low not to. Got 30lb. Should be good to learn on at least. Got it under 100.
What do you recommend as an upgrade from the Black Hunter? I've got the 45#. Im not new to archery but Im new to the recurve.
My draw lenght is 29", calculated at home on different methods. And Black hunter is 28" draw. If I get 30 pound one, would it fit? Am I hurting the bow with slightly longer draw?? Total begginer but did a load of reaserch and don't wanna butmy before I understand it all. Also which arrows you would reccomend? Spine value ? Plus 100 grain tips for hunting I will get at some point.
Great question. With a 29 inch draw length I would recommend a 62 inch bow. You might be pushing the BH a little over an extended period of time.
I shot the one I had for a while, my draw length is 30 inches, I had no problem shooting it. I find it odd that it only has a 28 inch draw length? I feel the one I had at the time was stated as a longer draw length. I may be mistaken on that.
The reason I suggest a longer bow is that you may feel it’s a bit cramped when shooting it.
At 30 lbs draw weight I would suggest 600 spined arrows. I would also try 100 and 125 grained tips. You may find that one or the other works best.
I hope this helps you. I will try to help in any way that I can. Don’t hesitate to ask all the questions you need to.
Have a great evening. Best regards.
@@ScottWinters thanks a lot. Helped me already with my biggest question and that was arrow selection. And yeah it is 30lbs at 28" but I can shoot up to 31" draw. Will get 32# of power prob with my draw, which is nice. Will start as mentioned above and experiment. Need to practice shooting at the first place and will join archery club close by and will get more experience and tips.
But will shout out if I will need something :D
Maybe if you can reccomend some bow, available in Europe, I don"d mind spending +200 euros on something that will have better results.
I would prefer something looking like an actual wood, more of traditional bow :D thanks a lot once again
I'm thinking about getting this bow myself and while I've had a few compound and traditional type bows in the past I don't actually know much about archery equipment. I have a compound bow with a broken string that I still have a dozen new arrows for and I'm wondering if the arrows will be safe to shoot in this bow. I've had several injuries so I've decided to get a 40 pound bow instead of a heavier one so I can learn to shoot properly.
The arrows are Super Freaks and are for a 55-70 pound bow. They are 30 inch, 9.9gri, .301 O.D. arrows. I'm sure they are not ideal but would they be safe to shoot in a 40 pound bow? Thanks for any advice you could give me.
Definitely safe to shoot from a 40 lbs bow. There may he some flight issues with the arrows, but not a huge deal. A recurve will not have near the stored energy that a compound will to transfer to the arrow on release. I did the quick math, not knowing what field tip weight you are using, I just factored in 125 grains. You should be in the neighborhood of 10.5 grains per pound at 40 lbs. Thats more than sufficient for this bow. Of course the arrows may do well. You will know once yours start shooting it if you need to tune arrows specifically for your shooting needs.
My friend any questions you have or advice I can offer feel free to ask! Let me know how you are on your journey with this. I hope you have a great evening my friend! Best regards.
@@ScottWinters Thanks for your advice, it's much appreciated!😊
I have 100 and 125 grain broadheads and if I remember correctly a couple weights of field tips. I would probably be better off using the lighter one's I imagine.
Thanks again!
Was wondering if one could sand a little off the edges to reduce the poundage?
I wouldn't think so with it being fiberglass. I could be wrong though. I've never tinkered with building a bow so I'm not sure if that would harm the integrity of the limbs. It's a great question. Maybe somebody could offer she insight into it. I appreciate your time my friend. Have a great day. Best regards
I have the bow and I like it. After watching the video I need to figure out my arrows for it.
The middle bow on the rack behind you....SWA Ghost Longbow? That is an excellent shooting bow too.
Yes sir, quite possibly my favorite that I own.
@@ScottWinters I went from cheaper bows to expensive ones over the years and I have to say bows like the Black Hunter and Ghost Longbow have me wondering why I spent all that money.
You should try a set of LB limbs on that BH when you can. I think you can still get a set of bamboo ones from Twig archery in Ohio. Thanks for your review video!
@@johnd7215 I have thought about sourcing the longbow limbs for it. I am a huge fan of my SWA Ghost and would be curious how it would compare to it. I am with you on your point about expensive vs inexpensive. The most expensive bow I own is my Galaxy Black Ridge LB. I have questioned that purchase several times. I really appreciate your time my friend. Have a great day!
@@ScottWinters Twig archery in Ohio would be where I would get BH limbs from. He should still have the bamboo. The owner John there will scale them for you too. Nice little shop to deal with. Best of luck Scott!
I have a bow rack full of nice shooters. Bear bows, Herters, and Shakespeare. Most I paid was $200 for a '62 Bear Kodiak in mint condition that came with a 60s grizzly. Some older fellow sold them to me. All my other bows are even less than that or free. So much cheaper compared to compound bows. It really does question why one would spend good $$ on a custom bow. I had a Big Jim Mountain Monarch in the works and after Big Jim screwed up my "custom" order. I demanded all my hard earned money back. $1,500 is a lot of guap for a bow. The bow was uglier than all get out and he ended up cutting into a 2-piece takedown when I requested a 1-piece bow. And then myrtle veneers and spalted maple limbs were atrocious. My '62 Bear Kodiak with its beautiful dark Brazilian rosewood is twice the bow that mistake would've been.
A question if you care to comment, the black hunter recurve at 45lb what arrow weight in your opinion is better?I saw in your one movie you did not like the 400's but prefered 380?
It's really a preference thing. The being 45 draw weight at 28 inches actually comes in around 48 to 49 pounds draw weight at my 30 inch draw length. I find that the 340 spined arrows perform better at that weight. You still have to tune them but not much. Also, fast flight string adds a little punch and weaker spines like 400's are very hard to tune without cutting them down excessively..
I hope that helps. I appreciate your time. Best regards
I have 2 Black Hunters, a Mark 1 in #40 and a Mark 2 with #30 and #60 limbs. The #30 is actually #35 the #40 is #45 and the #60 is a whopping #67 (ughhh).
I bought this bow for my daughter in 25lbs. Unfortunately the bow came with 31-32lbs. Manufacturing quality is quite good, but the bow us to heavy in draw weight.
The quality control for these bows is iffy at best. With some many vendors selling one version or the other, it seems to be a hit or miss scenario getting one in the specs needed. Agreed with the manufacturing quality, I really like mine in that respect. Have you contacted the seller or manufacturer to see if the correct limbs can be sourced? I would at least ask the question to see if it can be corrected. Best of luck my friend. I appreciate you taking the time to comment. Have a great day. Best regards
Thanks for sharing. Did you ever find the right arrow combo that worked the best for that bow? If so what was it?
I have a 31in draw. Would this bow be safe for me to shoot? If not, what would be an affordable takedown opinion?
Thanks for the question. Just going by the specs listed for the bow, the maximum draw length is 31 inches. Going by what is listed in the specs, you could use this bow, but you would be at maximum length with it. I think at that draw length you might feel a bit cramped shooting it though. At my 30" draw it feels that way for me, your thoughts may be different of course.
Personally I would look for something with a longer overall length. I recently tried and reviewed the Spyder Xl by Soutwest Archery. It's a 64" bow and accommodates longer draw lengths such as yours. Cost is about 149. SWA also has a Ghost Takedown Longbow that is 64" as well. These are the two I have experience with.
I hope that helps you and I hope you find the right bow for your shooting needs. Have a great day, best regards.
It would be great if you could test 4 bows of the same poundage to compare, not very good when you come to order at a 40# weight, and you get way too heavy for draw weight. Or you can purchase new limbs.
I think that's why I gravitate towards take down bows, like you mentioned, one could always replace the limbs in additional weights. Coming in at 50 lbs is no deal breaker for me, for someone new and trying to figure it all out it may be troublesome.
I am planning an update video on the BHR, it really is a good bow. I just think QC needs to be addressed in the draw weight area. Thanks for watching and commenting. Have great evening
Maybe the bows pull weight is higher intentionally.. since after continual use the bow would "break in" and settle in the 45lb range
From what I have researched the bamboo core limbs do loosen up a bit after continual use. I have noticed a 1 to 2 pound difference. I guess time will tell. I appreciate the comment my friend. Have a great evening. Best regards
Hey!! I am new to archery and I bought this bow as my first one. Ended up getting 35lbs limbs. While for me its ok when I invited my friends to shoot with me. To them 35lbs was somewhat of a challenge to pull back and hold for even 10 seconds. So i decided to buy another pair of limbs that are maybe 20 - 25lbs? However, since I am new to archery I am not sure how limbs work. The ones I find do not seem to have the little hole where the grip sets into. Could I get some recommendation for limbs or maybe I am looking at a wrong type of limbs?
Unless you are using an ILF bow you need to search for and purchase limbs specifically for the bow you purchased. It may take some time to find the exact limbs you need, but they are out there. Probably the easiest way to get the correct limbs is to go back to the manufacturer and source them that way. Best of luck on finding what you need and I hope you enjoy your new journey into the world of archery. Best regards my friend.
I bought one with 20lb limbs. It came in at about 25lbs but as I found with 7.5 draw it would loosen up quickly to closer to 20lbs. I think its more about the string than the bow.
My advice: order it with a lower weight on the limbs (about 5 lbs) just to be sure.
Thanks for the comment my friend. It actually dropped about a pound lower, but it took a while for it to get there. Overall it's not a bad bow, just QC with so many vendors is hit or miss. I appreciate your time my friend. Best regards
@@ScottWinters NP, TY for responding.
Great video man .. I want to buy my first bow , should i go with black hunter or there is a better options out there for me !?
The black hunter is not a bad bow. Where the bow becomes problematic is the fact that there are so many different vendors offering them you need to do a little review research before purchasing. Look for customer feedback/reviews and read a lot of them. I hear a lot of people that have bought the Sino Art black hunter and have not had any issues with them. Also, if you are a taller archer the sight window can tend to feel a little cramped, due to the length of the riser.
All that being said I own two bows by Southwest Archery and both are solid shooters, coming in under 200. The Spyder XL and The Ghost Longbow.
Best advice is to start with a comfortable draw weight no mater which bow you choose. As you grow into it you will have a better idea of what you feel will work for you.
I really hope that helps you. I wish you all the best in finding that right bow to start your journey with. I hope you have a great evening my friend.
Best Regards
@@ScottWinters yeah i saw some old purchases have some problems .. but i will talk with the seller before my purchase, And I will check 2 bows you mentioned .. thanks for your help man :x
@@mohammads7647 no problem my friend. The SWA bows are great deals. I am not pushing a product for them, I've just been well satisfied with the two I have purchased. Have a great day. Best regards
Good review. Honest.
Is the black hunter or Samick sage best for beginners? (Give me a direct answer)
Thanks for your question. I would prefer the samick Sage over the Black Hunter as a beginner bow. I appreciate your time. Best regards
Nice bow. Order from a reputable shop and you can get them to scale it for you. Limbs for this bow came in either maple core or bamboo and recurve or longbow. Nicer to know exactly what your getting. Nice shooting bow though. Actually, it was one of the nicest shooting 60" bows I have tried.
John thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. After giving the bow a proper setup and arrows spined and weighted for the draw weight, it actually has been a nice shooter. I think the biggest detractor of the bow is there is no consistency between offerings. Not that there would be. I verified the draw weight thankfully. As long as there are no other issues (none that I have experienced so far), I plan to keep and use it. I appreciate you taking the time to make a comment. Have a great day my friend!
What length and spine arrows should be used?
It depends on your draw length and draw weight. Use a spine chart for the arrows you intend to use to find the correct spine. The longer the arrow you use the more room you have to tune them to your particular setup. Best of luck finding the right arrow for your needs. Best regards
Hey Scott thanks for your great and honest review. Here in Germany the Black Hunter is available from different Manufacturers. Have you bought the one from Mandarin Duck?
I have not purchased the one from mandarin duck, but have heard great things about it. It's the same way here. Many different companies putting out a similar product. I just wish QC was better to avoid these situations. Thanks so much for watching and taking the time to comment. Have a great day!
I have the one from Mandarin duck. It's a 55# but in reality at 28", the weight is 50#
It's important to give your source. The Black Hunter varies by who you get them from. Fitting and supplied accessories vary and there are also quality variances. Some vendors only buy seconds and there are issues. Bought mine from Linkboy archery on ali express. One longbow at 45# and a 60" recurve at 30#. Both are accurate to within a half pound at 28". I got my riser height from many youtube reviews that put the measurement at 7 to 8 inches. I have them both at 7" and am happy with that. No arm protection needed. Just received my extra limbs for the long bow from the same vender at 35# and 60#s. Have not had a chance to test them yet.
All reviews I have seen have draw weight discrepancies. I believe what you stated about seconds being prevelant between vendors. Quality is not an issue with mine. It's really a well put together bow with the exception of an incorrect draw weight on the lower limb. After a proper setup, new string and correct spined and weighted arrows I've not had any issues with the performance of the bow. Brace height is definitely going to vary between bows. Mine shoots well at 8 inches. Let me know how the new limbs perform.
I really appreciate you watching the video and taking the time to comment. Have a great evening my friend.
Very good and convincing explanation of the possible hazards Scott. It goes without saying that we should always be aware of potential hazards when involved in any activity and always take the appropriately measures to minimise the risks.
I bought a Samick Sage #40 and it is right on the money at 28 inches.
That's awesome my friend. How do you like it?
For the money it's unbeatable. At 40# it's a very easy bow to shoot and does very well with cheap and not so cheap arrows. After shooting it for several months I only wish it was a bit heavier. But it is still legal in most states I believe so no worries.
May I ask, what is the weight of the riser?
I am not sure. I did not weigh the riser when I owned the bow. If I recall correctly the total bow eight was very light. Apologies I couldn’t be more specific. Have a great day. Best regards
Thank you. I have the Black hunter metal riser (Junxing 178A). I love this bow except for the weight of the riser, .82kg/1.74lbs. I am trying to find out the weight difference between the wood & metal riser.
You are welcome. I would imagine the metal riser gives a bit more weight but not much. Have a great evening. Best regards.
After a long search, I found the weight of a wooden rest. The difference is a half pound. Thank you!
Thank you for the time and the information. Have a great evening. Best regards.
This is a generic made in china bow, i got mine on aliexpress, it wasn't called a black hunter there, it was called ameyxgs archery and unless you got it shipped direct from china, i suspect you'd get charged double from a reseller that made up a name for it
I think a lot of these are seconds or rebranded as you stated. Just a quick search brings up a lot of different sellers for this and the longbow version. Thanks for taking the time to comment, I appreciate your time. Have a great day. Best regards
I ordered 30lb limbs ,they came in at 25lb bought from Mandarin Duck
That's seems to be the common theme with these bows. Overall I like the bow, but I feel they could do so much better in this area. How do you like your bow?
@@ScottWinters The bow with its original limbs of 35lb is great but l wanted to drop poundage due to shoulder problems.All credit to Mandarin Duck they refunded the cost of the limbs .
That's awesome that they worked with you on it. Sorry to hear about your shoulder problems. Hope all is well
They measure from the throat of the grip not the front
His Grace Saves, thanks for commenting, I apologize I am not tracking what your comment is referring to?
Love your ink bro.
Thank you sir! Have a great day
Pamphlet? Really? LOL. It is very straightforward to assemble. It is an outstanding bow for the price.
Lol, but in all honesty every bow I have ever purchased at the very least comes with a spec sheet, company contact info, warranty info etc. Assembly is straightforward. You'd be surprised how many people have no clue what to do when they open a package like that. Thanks for watching and commenting, have a great day!
@@ScottWinters You are so right about that. Just today I read a one star review. A virulent complaint about the fact the bow was half right hand/half left hand and how poorly made it is and this person put up a photo...I'm still laughing. The photo shows that he strung the bow on the wrong side of the limbs and to compare, he shows his other bow ...Strung the exact same way. This is not a joke. The guy didn't see the grooves in the limbs, didn't consider the grip orientation, nothing. It's beyond absurd but he did it and complained. His two bows are strung the same way. I took photos of both the bows and his complaint. If you're interested, I'll email that to you.
As for the Black Hunter, I pulled the trigger yesterday for a recurve at 55# and longbow limbs at 55#. They arrived at 11am. The recurve was at least at 65lbs but other than that it was perfect but I ordered it for practice and wanted it lighter than my other bows. The longbow limbs were so unmatched that the top limb was bending like a fishing pole while he bottom one had the proper reflex/deflex. It wasn't showing when unstrung. I strung it again and without drawing it the top limb had adopted that fishing pole bent position. I bought these items on Amazon. By 4 pm I had returned them to UPS, by 6pm, I had my refunds. This is beyond good service from Amazon. I have several other longbows all above 60 lbs I hunt with. The BH recurve was harder to pull than my heaviest bow which has a draw weight of 67lbs. Their QC is not good. one or two pounds are ok, but not this.
Thank for this comment! Unfortunately it does happen this way sometimes. I would definitely like to see the photos. Please send them along.
I took a fair amount of heat for stating my thoughts, but I stand by them. To be fair, not everyone has the same experience and I can respect that. I try look at it from a new archers perspective. Hopefully it helps.
I really appreciate your time my friend. Have a great evening best regards
I bought a 35-pound to use as a practice bow. The quality seems great. It’s a beautiful bow but i also felt it is way more than 35. Measured and found my bow measures 46 pounds at 28”. Big difference. But I like the bow and will keep it. But wish it would have been the #35 I ordered…
It would be great if they could get this part of QC figured out. I have seen more than review / post about draw weight issues. At least you can use it even though it's a disappointment you didn't get what you wanted. I really appreciate your time my friend. I hope you have a great Thanksgiving. Best regards.
Funny how everybody talks about "dymond wood" like it's something special. It's not wood species, it's just plywood. ;)
Thanks for your time and the comment. Have a great day. Best regards
Wanna trade limbs? I ordered 60 and received 40. Come to think of it, I ordered mine about 2 years ago, about the time this video was made. Maybe they switched our orders.
I've st up around 7 or 8 of the same bow.
I own 3 bows (44lb 60lb recurve and 55lb longbow)
Every single bow was spot on poundage.
They don't have the unpacking experience of a new ipod but its s tool bro what do you want.
I hate the Chinese government as much as anyone but God damn do they make an affordable bow.
Thanks for taking the time to comment. I appreciate your time. Overall it's a decent bow and yes, you get what you pay for. I want try the longbow version at some point. I've heard better things about it. Thanks again for your time. Have a great day. Best regards.
Cries in 90 dollars
Thanks for watching I appreciate your input. . Have a good day. Best regards.
Black hunter's limbs failed 3 times ,done with the blackhunter.
I hear folks claim that bow will "Explode " I'm not sure a slightly incorrect arrow spine will cause a bow or arrow to EXPLODE!! hahaha. I've had a arrow break or splinter because it was already cracked . your safe to shoot a arrow that isn't damaged that fits a 40lb with a 50lb... it will only affect it'd flight ... Has anyone ever seen a arrow or bow EXPLODE? I think that would be a great video and someone should try to make that happen. It would go viral
Thanks for taking the time to watch and taking the time to comment. I appreciate it.
You are correct, a slightly incorrect arrow spine will be ok. The only negatives will be erratic and inconsistent arrow flight or poor bow performance . When you use an arrow that is greatly under spined is where the problem could present itself. It's so easy to shoot "whatever" is on hand at the moment. Never a good idea.
The transfer of energy from the limbs to the arrow can produce enough force to break an arrow. There have been enough accounts of people making trips to the er to remove broken arrows from their hand. Were the arrows under spined, damaged or cracked? Could be one or many issues when this happens. Plus, If you add a heavy front load to an arrow that is under spined for the draw weight of the bow, it increases the odds of failure. Arrows flex a great deal when fired if that tolerance is exceeded it could reach a breaking point. What's the breaking point is a good question and not one that I want to experiment with personally.
Yes, cracked and damaged arrows are never safe to shoot, that should be a given. Unfortunately some never think to check for these issues before shooting.
Bow explosions can and do happen when you dry fire a bow. Explosion is a dramatic way to describe this,, but it is the nomenclature used. if the energy stored in the limbs at full draw cannot be transfered from the limbs safely, the limbs absorb this energy and can shatter, break, delaminate the limbs. Again, not using the correct weight arrow can add to and compound to this problem. You might get away with it for a while, but the stress being placed on the limbs will eventually lead to damage or outright failure of your bow.
There plenty of videos demonstrating bow limb failures due to dry fire. They make me cringe when I watch them, and I hope I never experience this firsthand. Manufacturing flaws can cause this to happen as well.
There are many factors that can lead to bow and arrow failures. It's always best practice to eliminate the obvious before even putting yourself in a bad situation. Making sure you use the correct equipment is always best practice.
I will always stress the safety side of archery because bad things can happen if approached with a haphazard attitude. Better to be overly cautious with the details.
So the main question is, will it happen? Maybe maybe not, but the possibility is always there. I'm not sure I want to have video go viral because I did something unsafe.
Have a great day my friend.
If you look at the tips on these bows looks like they have been dipped and surfaced some how probably why weight is off Gordon glass one thickness tips glued on
Bruh I just ordered the 55 pounder and it feels like a million. So, I bought some 35s to practice with. I just put em on. Can't wait. Don't buy the 55!!
Apologies for the delay in response. I think 50 is my limit. What arrow are you shooting at 55 pounds? I think getting the lower weight for practice is an excellent idea. Its easier to dial in the fundamentals using a lower weight. Thanks for watching and commenting. Have a great day my friend!
@@ScottWinters I just bought my bow a week ago, and I've had the 35lb limbs since Tuesday. I've only had the chance to practice once, I'm learning from you and a couple of other channels. My arrows are 30in, w a 500 spine, and 100gr fieldtips. I bought a 24x24 target and I was putting all 24 arrows in it from about 20 yards before I was through. I added a set of finger savers cause its just too damn hot for a glove in Ga. I'm gna try shooting three under tonite instead of one and two. I heard its easier to aim that way. But, brother I'm clueless, and welcome ANY advice for someone teaching themselves. Aiming and accuracy, are they learned or do they come w practice only? Great content my brother, stay safe. Wwg1wga
Johnny, aiming and accuracy come with time. If you focus on your form and try to get a consistent anchor and clean release you will see your accuracy improve greatly. Aiming is subjective, meaning everyone has their own special MOJO when it comes to that. It's a hard one to explain. Try this, shoot at a blank target, watch your groupings. If you group to the left adjust your posture to the right, slightly. This will apply to all aspects of shooting - left, right, up, and down. Always make minor adjustments along the way. If your form, and anchor are consistent your groupings will most likely be consistent, give or take a few inches, and a few fliers (lol happens to me all the time).. Try this at 10 yards until you feel comfortable with arrow placenent on the target then move to 15 and 20 yards. After a while you will develope an aiming technique that will be your own. This has worked for me, but again everyone approaches it differently. Remember there are no right or wrong rules when it comes to this. Not to get to specific, what part of GA are you from? I can agree the heat and humidity here is horrendous. Best of luck on developing your accuracy. If I can help in any way let me know brother. Have a great day my friend.
@@thetruthhertz2970 Three under can be a problem on these bored where you cannot adjust tiller. You can adjust tiller on ILF bows. Over tried 3 under on my Lancaster Edge (a nicer, improved Samick Sage, essentially) and it is harsh on the limbs, and loud. It's louder the lower you move 3 finger on the string to range adjust. I think over time you will wreck your limbs with 3 under.
That'll go down like a led zeppelin.
Look, 5# isnt that big a deal, you are talking about a cheap chinese bow anyways, what do you expect for $110?
5# variancr can be tuned out usually anyways. everyone should be bareshaft tuning the arrow to the bow.
Agreed with your comment. Not much expected from these bows. QC is definitely hit or miss with this one. I appreciate your comment my friend. Have a great evening! Best regards
In short: It's a very nice bow, but he is very disappointed, cause he has to buy new arrows, because the draw weight is much higher than expected. Somehow he thinks that's worth repeating a million times.
I appreciate you taking the time to comment. Have a good evening.
I have built lot of bows shame you can buy one cheaper than making it glass bow anyway
How long have you been making your own? I've said it before, but I would like to try my hand at it one day. Thanks for commenting. Have a great evening. Best regards
@@ScottWinters Hey Scott been making and playing with bows for bout 30 plus years never had real good shop set up but made some nice bows lately been making some laminated long bows without glass some with bamboo give it a shot
Man that's awesome. I'm always fascinated with people that can make them and make them work. I'm always getting closer to taking the plunge and trying it. I really appreciate your time my friend.
@@ScottWinters any time my friend ever need pic of some of them or advice if I can give it lol not phone expert but try to send it
@@stevengoff5291 would definitely like some pictures of some you have done. I'm wanting to add an archers spotlight to my website to showcase archers bow pictures and possibly shooting outings. If you would like for me to add a few from you definitely let me know.
I’d send it back if they can’t get it right you could possibly hurt yourself or damage the bow then your out of the money and with things the way they are now days money is tight I would personally stick with the Samick Sage as beginning bow you k ow what you’ve got with them and they been proven
That's my initial thought. What bothers me is that people will buy a bow like this to get into archery because of the price point. With oversights like this it makes for unsafe shooting conditions for new archers. I really appreciate you taking the time to comment. Have a great day my friend.
@@ScottWinters thanks and I totally agree with that price point but the nice thing is that for a few dollars more you can pick your self up a more reliable one in the Samick Sage I’d be interested in what they tell you if or when you send it back to them. Maybe if you do that you could do a quick update about that thanks have a good day also
Agree with the comments on the Ssmick Sage. I love mine.
Theres not a chance you have a brother is there?😂 if so i feel like i just met him
I do have a brother. However, we look nothing alike. I appreciate your time my friend. Have a great day. Best regards
should have bought a samick. Oooh wait you already have one. Waste of money on the black.
I disagree. I have both bows and the black hunter is a superior bow in looks, fit and finish, and most importantly performance. As long as the Black Hunter is still sold at reasonable prices, I'll never touch a Samick Sage again.
@@JW-bw8nj I don't like black... I like natural wood color. so visually I like the sage better. As for shooting... my sage outperforms the old black I have. It's probably the lb age though.