My dad met him once in Germany after the war. Hartmann helped rebuild the Luftwaffe in the 1950s. My dad said he was a friendly, likable chap who took flying very seriously.
He really was, my uncle flew with him after the war in the bundeswehr, and i met him a couple times myself. I was still pretty young though when he died.
My father who fought in WWII met Erich Hartmann after the war. He worked with the USAAF and met other German aces. He also knew a USAAF double ace who challenged Hartmann to a mock air duel using jets and was amazed at Hartmann's flying skill. If they used real bullets he would have been the 353 kill.
Well, those 352 "confirmed kills", was not 352 actual kills. The over-claim for fighter pilots of all nations was considerable and very often there where ~3 "confirmed kills" for every actual kill. This obviously differed from unit to unit. In the US it tended to vary from air force to air force (the 8th forinstance had a very low overclaim of ~30%, while the US forces in the Med and Pacific had far higher overclaim. In the Pacific there where cases where the number of "confirmed kills" greatly exceded the number of japanese airplanes in the actuall fight. For Germany the difference in overclaim varied between units at lower level and units with a lot of aces, tended to have a higher over claim.
@@drittenreichlieber And a real student of history, doesn't consider unsubstansiated claims from one side (the Luftwaffe) as facts. The truth can only be found, by comparing data from all sides. Thats why we today know that forinstance Rudel lied his ass of, and whats how we know, that the germans where nowhere near winning the battle of Britain, and thats how we know that the battle of Prokhorovka was not a spectacular tactical loss for the germans, but a spectacular tactical victory. When it comes to aces (be they fighter pilots, tankers, submarine commanders, snipers et cetera) there is a general problem, that we take their one-sided claims at face value, or in some cases, that we take the claims that was made up by someone else after the war at face-value as is the case for german tank aces.
A quote from a great man the world can learn from! - "One thing I learned is this: Never allow yourself to hate people because of the actions of a few. Hatred and bigotry destroyed my nation, and millions died. I would hope that most people did not hate Germans because of the Nazis, or Americans because of slaves. Never hate, it only eats you alive. Keep an open mind and always look for the good in people. You may be surprised at what you find". -- Erich Hartmann, W.W.II German Luftwaffe fighter plane ace.
This is even more astonishing knowing that Hartmann had to spend 10 years in Soviet gulags as a “war criminal” and was only released in 1955. Even after this terrible experience of spending his best years in prison, he still wanted to encourage others to live without hate.
Yes, what a ride man. NEVER HATE because it brings you down to their level. Hitler , Hess, Goerbels, Goering and Himmler were 5 evil.tyrants that will pay for what they did. You cant blame ALL germans cuz they did not have the means to stop him. Hitler had the military CONVINCED they were the master race and they blindly followed him and his FINAL.SOLUTION. Ask any of the great german aces about the holocaust and they will tell you IF they could have stopped it THEY WOULD.
@@JimLaifstailyea, and even more astonishing knowing he was the greatest lier of all WWII pilots, less than 20% of his kills are confirmed, check your facts lads.
He actually swapped his air craft with an inexperienced fighter, since the black tulip painting was known and feared. At one point there was even a significant prize on his head, but nobody wanted to take it. As soon as they saw the markings the russian pilots fled at top speed. So he thought giving it to young and inexperienced pilots gives them time to learn since at that point the education of new pilots was way too short
@@daftwulli6145 This is literally the most stupid thing I have ever read and was taken from the Book which was not written by Hartmann himself but by some fanbois "Holt Hartmann vom Himmel". "Hey new guy, there is a prize on my head but you can fly my plane, that will keep you save." Whatever omegalul.
@@ariannescharfi9366 It was to distract the enemy, he gave his plane to new pilots and it's true that some fled but obviously he did it for him to to undercover
@@ariannescharfi9366 I don´t know how to tell you this but that book was OK´d by hartmann himself, and he was pretty proud of it. I got that from the horses mouth myself and have a signed copy of the book with a personal inscription for my mother. My uncle flew with hartmann in the bundeswehr till he died in a crash with the starfighter. Hagen hülfert. The prize on his head did not matter, since enemy fighters where for a good reason scared of the black tulip.
My favorite fighter ace of WWII. When I was in my early 20’s I bought a book on Erich Hartmann’s life, by Colonel Raymond F. To liver and Trevor J. Constable, called “The Blond Knight of Germany” copyrighted in 1970. I’m 66 years old now and I still have this book. It’s the best military book I’ve ever read in my life.
Read the book too..wanted to write to him just to ask what sidearm he carried. Was trying to make heads from tails from his photos on the sidearm he had. "..a man is judged by the arm he carries.." _ Theodore Roosevelt ..asking of what firearm Mulai Ahmed er Raisuli, a Morrocan tribal Shariff who kidnapped an American woman , carried.
He developed slowly into an ace, was initially undisciplined, did not follow the command instructions, initiated an independent fight, so he was punished several times! He reaped his 352nd air victory on the last day of the European War.
GREAT VIDEO! One catch,,,the black tulip design on the front of the plane was taken off. His crew chief, 'Bimmell' Mertens and Hartman noticed his kills were dropping. The russians id'd the tulip pattern as a pilot to avoid. He removed it and his kill count began to climb again. He gave the plane with the tulip pattern to his wingmen to help them stay safer.
This is a myth written by the pseudo book of "Holt Hartmann vom Himmel". In freaking air combat you don't fucking see a tulp painted on an airplane like in some anime cutscene. Especially someone who flies BnZ the whole time and avoids deady turnfights. + How can u see the noseart of a german plane when literally most of german planes had something painted on them. I can imagine that u guys want to believe something but this is not so smart.
Shooting down 11 in a day and 352 kills without ever taking a hit is amazing, but to survive 8 bail outs and 14 crashes and just get back on that horse day after day. Its like the guy was driven on a death wish!
@@pacus123Never. He shot himself down, by being so close to his kills that the debris of the destroyed fighter damaged his plane. He once said "If the opponent's plane fills up your windscreen, you can't possibly miss."
@@KrautGoesWild Douglas Bader instructed his pilots, "Get as close as you can before opening fire. When you think you're much too close, get even closer".
Germans got quite a bunch of excellent pilots, Hartmann is the absolute ace of aces but some have amazing scores in West front (it was tougher there) one of them is Hans-Joachim Marseille. All pilots, soldiers and sailors of this time where brave.
Definitely we have to account for this, the eastern front was a turkey shoot, let’s face it. Hartman was a great aviator and tactician, I will not take that away from him, no way, but had he served on the Western front, there is a good chance he would have died in combat at the hands of the better tactics and high cover methods used by the Allied fighter groups. Many of the great German fighter pilots were killed on the Western front by skilled allied fighter pilots. We would have eventually killed them all had the war not ended. All you have to do is watch these videos and read books about combat in World War II and almost all successful attacks were by surprise. Sooner or later you are going to get surprised and killed because nobody has eyes in back of their heads. Obviously Hartman was more farsighted and cautious than most so he survived, but he was shot down several times anyway, and nobody wants to talk about that because for some reason idiots love to worship Nazi bastard pilots. Thank God we beat the son of a bitches otherwise our grandparents would all be glowing with a soft yellow light as lampshades. I hate those Nazi bastards. I wish we would’ve executed Hartman.
@@steveperreira5850 About being shooting down, I read the new version of the grand cirque (Great circus in english not sure) written by the most succesfull free french fighter Closterman. There are some differences between the old and the new version, the new one includes a story about how one day leading his cap of Tempests they saw two germans, he said : I go piece of cake... one minute later he was under his parachute and was welcome at the base with a cake with written on it 'Piece of cake'... as you said, a lot were shot down and some survived.
@@wilfriedkotzenberg-nitsch5740 many great pilots were killed during the war. Marseille was good but he was a solo fighter as Gunter Rall called such pilots who did not fit for fighting in formations.
When i first saw the ME-109 at the Smithsonian Air Museum it was astonishing how small but well made it was it reminded me of the R 107 Mercedes Benz !
What amazed me, at the fantastic Pensacola Air Museum, was how much lighter the Japanese Zero was, even with its ungainly glazed cockpit, than any off the Allied fighters
@@TheSoundsageIn the Smithsonian Next to the ME 109 was the Japanese zero and you were able to touch the plane it was like tin ,extremely thin metal that was seemingly was stretched to fit the plane. And the landing gear was thin in comparison to the Me 109.
Was in captivity and what? As his "bloody commies" released alive, that's the question))) Apparently he licked something important to the communists. And about the victories. Hartman comes out against the Soviet Air Force. Hartman says that he shot down 10 communists, and in the communist loss log there is 1 shot down plane. Probably the communists were hiding the losses so that heroes like Hartman could not confirm their heroic deeds ...
@@sapiensrex5603 In January 1997, three years after his death, Erich Hartmann was rehabilitated on the Russian side and acquitted of all his previous crimes. Furthermore, the Russian committee made it clear that the multi-award-winning fighter pilot had been unjustly convicted.
I think this is a world record: ruclips.net/video/xIT95HqXsi4/видео.html&lc=UgyTrGwRyifn4Ex8qQp4AaABAg.9NNlJ-cIZ9T9NaNxsQtdym The last Hungarian prisoner of war spent more than fifty years in a Russian mental hospital. András Toma was enlisted in 1944 at the age of 19. As a soldier of the 1st Hungarian Army, he was captured somewhere around Auschwitz and Krakow in January 1945. The young man was then transported to the Boksitogorsk prisoner-of-war camp near Leningrad, and then in the spring of 1945 to Bistrjag, 1,500 km east of it. The journey could torment the young soldier, both physically and mentally, as half of the prisoners of war crammed into the wagons lost their lives during the trip. The battered nervous warrior was finally taken to the Kotyelnyitsk mental hospital, more than 800 kilometers from Moscow, in January 1947, where he spent 53 years. After Toma crossed the gates of the psychiatric institute, he was removed from the list of prisoners of war according to Soviet practice, so he disappeared from the eyes of the Hungarian authorities and could not return home from captivity even after the post-World War II relief. In fifty years, Toma was not very interested in language learning: he only communicated in Hungarian, he learned only one word (yes) in Russian. Perhaps he would have died there, forgetting the distant Russian land, if a Slovak doctor had not noticed the strange Toma, who spoke only Hungarian, more than fifty years after the war, and who was mistakenly registered as a psychiatrist as András Tamás. The strange figure was then noticed by the Russian, then the Hungarian press, and the Hungarian authorities. Budapest Dr. András Veér sent a neurologist and psychiatrist to the scene, who officially stated that Toma had every doubt exclusively Hungarian. Repatriation could then take place. After returning home for half a century, he became a resident of the National Institute of Psychiatry and Neurology, where a full exploration of his past began. Lieutenant Colonel László Erdős kept in touch with the old man, who said that Toma talked a lot about the alcohol, but when he was offered vodka or whiskey, he asked for Hungarian alcohol. Strangely, he also rejected it with the plum from Satu Mare, saying that it was not Hungarian. In psychiatry, he was diagnosed with a mental illness that could be treated with medication and also received his new artificial leg, which was 1.5 pounds lighter than the old Russian. The researchers also found that the elderly man lived in a settlement called Sulyánbokor near Nyíregyháza before he came to the front. The old man was then taken to his native village, where his half-siblings, sister and brother, Anna Toma and John, thought they would discover their father in the long-lost brother. Then came the school, where the surviving classmates could meet the soldier who had disappeared on the front. The Toma family also presented documents that András Toma's mind was already broken on the front. The cognate strands were finally confirmed by DNA studies. András Toma was promoted to Deputy Chief Sergeant by the Minister of Defense for his decades-long position, and he was paid his arrears of salary, which eventually cost him several million forints, as his service was considered continuous during his time at the psychiatric institution. The elderly gentleman was cared for by his brother Anna until his death in March 2004.
@@cyrkestuffl9051 Rehabilitated? in 1997? This is when Yeltsin was in charge? And what does this fact prove? Then they did not tell everything about the crimes of the Wehrmacht on the territory of the USSR. Under the USSR, so as not to offend the GDR, and in 1997 Boris Yeltsin had a friend, Helmut Kohl. Then many Nazi criminals wrote these papers on rehabilitation ... Only this rehabilitation is not worth the paper on which it is written. And Erich at the moment in hell is telling the devil how cute and good he is ...
Power to weight ratio was the most important factor in dogfights, when the war started the 109E had the best power to weight ratio and when the war ended the 109k had the best ratio.
I don’t know that I agree. Climb rate and such is all important, but high altitude performance combined with engine reliability probably count as more important.
Ну да в тот день илы послали бомбить немчуру без истребительного прикрытия, и было это явно в 41 году. Да и те 11 наверняка половина просто села на брюхо и .... потом их починили.
I wish I could have seen the battles that he won when he shot down seven P-51s over Romania. They were the only American planes he shot down over his career.
Aviation history can only be truly recounted with accurate detailed visual reenactment. Wow! What a story! What a great retelling of that story, as if we had been there ourselves! Thanks!
I really like this story-telling format! My suggestion, if you haven't already done it- Hans Joachim Marseille's 17 kills in a day, an astounding achievement by a pilot known for expert marksmanship and economy of ammunition.
I read from Hans Joachim Marseille that he once shot down 7 enemy planes during a takeoff and when he returned to the base the machine canon was missing only 9 rounds of ammunition! He died that due to a faulty installation - after replacing the engine - his plane caught fire, but - despite the words of his companion - he did not want to jump out of the plane - he wanted to take the plane back to the base, so he turned the flaming plane on his back to get less heat, then when he could no longer jump out of the plane, but his parachute caught fire and he crashed! Many consider him the greatest fighter talent!
@@nickhector5060 Wingmen don't behave properly in any of the IL-2 games - the AI doesn't let them actually watch your tail, but sends them into "free-for-all" mode. To illustrate the story, it's just easier to eliminate the wingman element of things. (Besides, if you imagine him there, you know that Hartmann never lost a wingman throughout the war, so tell yourself he got home safe! ;-) )
@@RevBoose he did lose one wingman. When he was temporarily oncombat instruction duty and was assigned a former bomber pilot as wingman. That bomber pilot didn't fly tight turns but wide ones and obviously didn't last long in the first dogfight but managed to bail out. From the book by Tolliver and Constable.
Really enjoyed the video. You often see posts that Hartmann only shot down inferior planes on the Russian front but at low level the La5 and 7 and Yak 3 were comparable to the late model 109's. He also shot down 7 P51's .
Think of how many kills he could have had if he could have stayed in a ME-109F instead of switching to a G model which used the new DB 605 which had issues with losing power/catching on fire.
Erich Rudorffer was also a great pilot, passed away in 2016 at age of 98. He was maybe the last of the great expertes. He made himself ace-in-a-day many times as well. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_Rudorffer
Eric had a very hard start as a trained Stuka Pilot. Was run out of a Stuka Squadron as incompetent. He was somehow literally picked up walking on a road by a truck full of ME-109 Pilots. They took him in and checked him out on the latest model. On his first combat mission, he fell to fear and cowardice. At that point, he realized there was no other choice other than apply himself 110% as all else was lost. The 352 Ace of Aces was born. His main tactic was to let you get on his tail. He would put you into a black-out heavy G tight turn. When he started to blackout he would pull back the throttle and squeeze out some flaps. You would then go right over him and he would then be on your tail. That was the last thing you ever did. Shot down twice and escaped. Then some idiot GI turned him over to the Russians at war end where he served 10 years POW. His aviation career started in the Hitler Youth Glider Club. He wound up training US Fighter Pilots in the 50s and put in charge of reforming The Luftwaffe. Revered by Hoover and Yeager immensely. He was prone to air sickness and threw up in the cockpit continuously. I have his photo along with a copy of Blonde Knight Of Germany in my bookcase. The Hero of every Fighter Jock. Every one of them !!!!!!
I think you have some of Hartmann and Rudel confused. Hartmann NEVER trained as a Stuka pilot. Rudel was, however he started off badly, even being traversed out before becoming the Stuka ace.
Love your videos! I love to learn more about the German aces & the code of honor most of them had. I learned a lot from the Adam Makos book, "A Higher Call" I would love to see some recreations of additional great aces in addition to the ones you have already done that are featured in that book. Thank you for your work!
there’s a lot of turn fighting and deflection shooting in the video, but hartman himself claims that most of his kills where from a very very close low 6 position, into which he got by spotting the enemy very early due to his phenomenal eyesight. his autobiography recons most enemy pilots never even saw him. not to detract from his abilities of course.
You're not detracting from his abilities. You're illustrating them. The skill is to get into to that close low 6 position without being seen, and get away without being hit in turn.
Imagine you're a lone, brand new Russian pilot on the Eastern front, on a little familiarisation flight in your fresh lend-lease P39.......*BANG* 'What the....who's this guy?!' Oops, you just ran into the greatest fighter pilot the world has ever known, having the best day of his career. Not your day, sorry about that.
I have Robert Taylor's "The Hartmann trilogy" surrounding me now. Not only three Hartmann autographs (on stunning lithographs portraying highlights of his career), but those of other Luftwaffe pilots totalling over 100 victories amongst them (including "Pauly" Rossman, who taught Hartmann his craft). I also have a lithograph "Karaya One", also signed by Erich, and a framed photo of him looking SOO young, yet by the time of the photograph, he had already achieved 300 victories. "The blonde knight of Germany" also sits in my bookshelf. Erich is a hero of mine, not only for his war exploits, but afterwards (hint: read the book...he's an amazing man).
@@bluevonwagner8609 i have Robert stanford tuck Autograph think he became friends with Galland during the film BOB guessing that these high kill claims are shooting up convoys also horse and cart things like that think the russians put up anything that could fly even woman flying biplanes lol did all german fighters have camera's to back all the kills up
Likely. Johnny Johnson had the same gift. His ability to get off ridiculous deflection shots was attributable to his uncanny understanding of math and angles. Truly remarkable pilots.
Poor Bubi. You can fly to Argentina in one hop these days. But back then you could probably only fly to Franco's Spain in a 109. I suppose he would have done something like that if he really wanted to.....
@GbbJunkie I used to read the memoirs of RAF pilots like Bader and Stanford Tuck. My uncle died not long after he married, thanks to Hitler's war. I'm not bitter, I'm just too old now for Boys' Own Stories. That's why I don't know Bubi's story. On the Allied side, an ace such as Bubi would have been transferred to train rookie pilots before he reached 50 victories. His experience would have been worth a lot more than 300 kills for Hitler. While the Spitfire had similar landing gear to the Bf109, it was a real lady in the air, warning rookies when it was about to stall. The Bf109 was a bitch, killing many rookies on take-off and probably landing too. If the Luftwaffe retired its best into training schools and ditched the Bf109 totally for the Fw190 the Luftwaffe would have killed a lot more allied pilots in WW2
@GbbJunkie that was my point that the Soviets held him long past the time he should have been released. I have his book on my shelf. A great read about a great guy. Have you read "The Cruise of the Sea Eagle" fantastic.
@@nickhector5060 Jealousy wont get you anywhere. By the way where you there ? Saying he was an over claimer means you know it all. Hahaha you must be getting on in age.
@@rolandschramm3662 Can you name anyone shot down by him? I can: 1st claim 5.11.42/1205 IL-2 Sturmovik PQ 44 793 @ 400m (Own airfield: Digora, Caucasus) 7 GShAP, 4 VA. It is known that Grislawski downed Ml.Lt. Fyodor Artyomov, KIA and Serzhant Vladimir Zangiyev, bellylanded safely POW (returned) at around this time, but no further losses are mentioned. Overclaiming? 3rd claim 9.2.43/0655-0750 Yak-1 ("LaGG-3") Slawjanskaja (PQ 86722) @ 1000m 66 IAP. Mayor Barey Sayfutdinov returned safely, St.Lt. Ilya Vladimirovich Khludenev and Serzhant Grigoriy Kovalyov both KIA. Ml.Lt. Leonid Arestov’s badly damaged and bellylanded 5km W of own base (The other losses were inflicted by Friese and Lohberg) 4th claim 10.2.43/0615 Boston NE of Iwanowskaja (PQ 86671) @ 3200m 63 BAP, 132 BAD, 5 VA.Crew of St. Serzhant Isatov. The crew’s Navigator, Andrei Yakovlevich Smolyar baled out POW, returned home in 1945 6th claim 27.3.43/1150 I-16 “Rata” Usun area (PQ 85171) @ 800m (own airfield: Anapa) Probably 611 IAP, 236 IAD, 5 VA. Serzhant Vasiliy Mikhaylovich Strogof MIA 7th claim 15.4.43/1533 P-39 Airacobra E of Mertschanskaja (own airfield: Taman) 16 GIAP. 2 lost and 2 damaged, includes Lt. Nikolai Naumenko MIA. Some sources say this was finishing off 41-38451 of 45 IAP, St.Lt. M Petrov, which had been damaged by Wolf Ettel of JG 3, three minutes earlier 8th claim 26.4.43/1135 I-15bis ("R-5") NE of Tichonowskaja (PQ 86722) @ 700m (own airfield: Taman) 62 IAP-ChF. Kapitan Aleksey Petrovich Furletov, hit in combat, ditched off Gelendzhik (about 30km (SE) of Novorossiysk), Krasnodar Krai, but drowned 16th claim 15.5.43/1210 U-2 Krasnoarmeyskaya (came down Titarovskaya station) (PQ 86544) @ low altitude (own airfield: Taman) HQ 278 IAD. Leytenant Vladimir Ivanovich Ershov (senior pilot)[KIA] 274 IAP (3 IAK) and passenger Lt. Aleksandr Filippovich Makeev of 274 IAP (Bergstroem says passenger was M.Lt. Yevgeniy Kryukov of 43 IAP) Unconfirmed claim 16.5.43/1415-1515 La-5 Own airfield: Taman No losses at this time, rightfully unconfirmed 17th claim 23.5.43/0545 LaGG-3 ("LaGG") E of Ssewerskaja (PQ 85253) @ 5000m (Klaus Dadd and Guenther Rall claimed as well) 249 IAP and 267 IAP. Legitimate victories: there were indeed 3 losses all up. Pilot details pending 18th claim 5.7.43/0340 IL-2 Sturmovik 10km N of Woltschansk (PQ 61663) @ 300m (own airfield: Ugrim) 241 ShAP. Legitimate victory: seven losses for six claims (underclaiming). Includes Kapitan Tsygankov, formation leader (only he and one other pilot had any experience) 20th claim 5.7.43/1400 IL-2 Sturmovik mH 10km N of Tomarowka (PQ 61333) @ 200m (own airfield: Ugrim) 2 VA or 17 VA. 56 claims (45 confirmed) versus 55 IL-2s lost in the afternoon and evening. Within 305 ShAD, 175 ShAP lost 11 and and 955 ShAP lost 2. 290 ShAD lost out 16 of 32 sent up and 306 ShAD lost 28 IL-2s and 19 crews. 17 VA alone lost 64 IL-2s throughout the whole of the day 22nd and 23rd claims 7.7.43/0350 and 0352 2 x IL-2 Sturmoviks Krasny Liman sector 1 ShAK. Losses in this mission include Kpt. Stepan Poshivalnikov of 800 ShAP, already damaged by flak, belly-landed in German territory but rescued by a mate (may have been the only loss in this engagement) 29th and 30th claims 8.7.43/0905 and 0910 2x LaGGs 10km E of Prokhorovka (PQs 61223 and 61221) @ 2500m (own airfield: Ugrim) 40 GIAP, 8 GIAD. Overclaiming, only one loss: Mayor Moisey Tokarev KIA 31st and 32nd claims 8.7.43/1805 and 1825 2 x Yak-1s Ugrim (PQ 62872 @ 2500m and PQ 61134 @ 1000m) Soviet report mentions the loss of three Yak-1s to fighters around this time (very likely legitimate victories therefore) (Rall appears to have inflicted the third loss) Get back to me when you have done some R E S E A R C H, little man. As for jealousy... I have never wanted to look Ellen de Generes with a riding crop LOL
@@nickhector5060 Great research , what happened before 1942. The word jealousy you took out of text , poor Ellen how the mighty have fallen. As German born I took great interest in his life long achievements , sadly 10 years where spend as a POW in Russia.. To top it off he did not commit any war crimes , so let him rest in peace .....
Met Gerd Barkhorn ( 301 kills ) twice in 1979 My grand father ( 12th Waffen SS ) best friend was Hermann Graf ( 212 kills ) And was neighbors to Egon Lemke ( 25 kills )
Congratulations on your 100th birthday, Mr. Hugo Broch! 06.01.22 . He is the best fighter Pilot alive with 81 victorys. All the best and health! Or as we aviators say „Hals und Beinbruch " ! As far as I know, you are the last living fighter pilot with a knight's cross.
I read some chapters, and I'm skeptic about some passages. And the list of victories in his book did not match the ones in Luftwaffe claim records (there are discrepancies in dates, places and type of a/c claimed). Futhermore, he claims he was never shot down in air combat. But when I cross-referenced 5 out 14 times he suffered "accidents", or when he was "downed by flak", or reportedly he "ran out of gas", I found out that in 4 of them in fact was shot down by Allied fighters or fighterbombers. First he was downed by the rear gunner of an Il-2 in November 1942, then by a lend-lease Spitfire on 25 May 1943, by an Il-2 on 20 August 1943 (not by flak) and a P-51 ace on 24 June 1944 (he did not run out of gas). Hartmann was indeed a dangerous adversary, but there is too much embellishment and fantasy on his actual achievements.
@@Elrusoargentino what are you talking about? i stopped reading your statement as soon as i read he denied being shot down. then clearly you havnt read the book as he details each time he was shot down in detail. he even dedicates a chapter to the first time when he was captured and escaped. if you havnt read the book, and clearly you have not, you really shouldnt make such remarks.
@@paul123ggggggggg Hartmann denies being shot down IN AIR COMBAT. In the event you mention, he claimed he was downed by FLAK while he was shoting down his second Il-2 of the day (his victories 89th and 90th). He says that initially he thought the Soviet soldiers were Germans because they approached his belly landed Bf.109 in a German truck. Only when they came closer realized they were Soviets. Hartmann said they were Asian (Mongols, Buriats or Kalmyks, I assume). The event took place on 20 August 1943. But he was not shot down by flak, but by another Il-2 flown by Pavel Evdokimov (232 GShAP, 7 GShAK). Furthermore, in that combat the 232 GShAP, the unit engaged by Hartmann, did not suffer any loss, only one Shturmovik, flown by Viktor Yermakov, was damaged by a German fighter (evidently, Hartmann). But Yermakov could return to his base, and the Il-2 was repaired.
Sadly, the il-2 devs never added the Pacific as it's a Europe Theater based game. So heros like boyington and nishizawa probably aren't gonna be in these videos.
He only attacked if he had a height advantage. If at any time he lost this advantage, he would go back, " upstairs for a coffee break". He learnt his tactics from Walter Krupinski and other "experten". Not only very skilled, but also at times very lucky, as he was forced to bail out on numerous occasions. On one mission USAF P-51s ran him out of fuel. Another mission found him down behind Soviet lines, evaded Soviet troops and walked into a German patrol the next day. He refused the offer to finish his war on the Western front, and went back East to his squadrons. He flew back with his mechanic squeezed into his 109 and surrendered to the Americans. They promptly handed him over to the Russians. Very nice vid by the way. I use Oculus Rift 2 on BoS, for realism there is not much to compare with this combination.
Now this is how its done, a great video. I saw an inter view he did and he was quite the character. Well done, maybe some Tommy McGuire or Richard Bong for the next one. Either what ever you choose to do, your subscribers win.
Your mind is a bit clouded. The highest score in a day of Erich Hartmann was 7 and it took place end of July 1943. 17 Victories in a day had marked Hans Johackim Marceille in North Africa. There is one German ace who had exceeded that score. The record holder Emil Lang had 18 victories in a day, and another one ( Erich Rudorffer ) had the surreal 13 victories in one flight!
Yeah, I was wondering where he got 11 kills in a day for Hartmann. But you're right on the other three. Though Marseille's 17 kills in a day is disputed, they can only verify 9 to 11 of them.
Furthermore, the "LaGGs" already had been retired of front line service the year before, replaced by their much more capable successors the La-5 and La-5FN. Even the ultimate Lavochkin variant, the La-7, was about to enter service.
And the claim that the Soviets put a price for his head... come on, that was the Second World War not the Far West. By the way, the only source of that is an interview of himself :/
@@nomcognom2332 I agree. So far I couldn't find any Russian source that mentions such "price for his head". I do not discard it, but I'm extremelly skeptical on this claim of Hartmann.
Bubbi must have had shares in LaGG. He certainly forced them to churn out more of them... XD Seriously speaking though, these experten were of a different level of man-and-machine symbiosis.
There was thousands of B-17 everyday at that time, you can shoot many as you like but your limit was fuels and ammo. But that bomber keep coming again and again.
He was a HELL OF A FIGHTER PILOT. There were quite a few German FIGHTER PILOTS who shot down TRIPLE DIGIT enemy planes mostly because they didn't have the resources to replace them therefore they flew many more missions which helped them to achieve such high scores as FIGHTER PILOTS. 🤔😎
Would be fascinating to try and actually document the kills and the pilots involved. Know the names, faces, experience levels, and final fate of the enemy he faced that day.
It's not possible because it's very likely an inflated overclaim. Historians tried to check his official claims with the enemy losses and only 80 of the kills matched with enemy losses that time at that place. The info about that day: 24.08.1944: on this day Hartmann claimed his victories Nos.299 to 303 over the Soviet beachhead of Sandomierz across the Vistula river - all four were P-39s. The only unit equipped with Aircobras providing cover to Sandomierz were from the elite 9 GIAD led by Polkovnik Aleksandr Pokryshkin - they sustained no losses in air combat that day. One Soviet P-39 pilot was reported missing after becoming separated from his comrades, "...who could have been downed by Hartmann. But at most Hartmann could score only one victory that day, never four...."
@@nomcognom2332 - I've read that on average only 60-70% of claims from WWII are confirmed with a historical check. However, I wouldn't necessarily dismiss a claim because a certain type of aircraft wasn't shot down. Pilots were notorious for not IDing aircraft types correctly. IDing the type probably wasn't the biggest concern for someone fighting for their life.
@@tominva4121 Consider that all of what happened that day was him telling what was happening through the fighter radio. Not a single verification was made. When he landed people already was waiting him with champaign, flowers and a banner with the 300th number in it. Of course, the war reporters were there to inform about the moment a pilot achieved such a round number of victories. Very convenient.
i am truly amazed at how high the quality of this "animation" is, if that is what it is called. amazing way to tell a story. well done. i hope to see more of these.
Years ago I worked for a old German Engineer who worked as a fitter in the Luftwaffe on the Eastern front. He told me the numbers were often exaggerated by the pilots. That remark stands up to scrutiny because the claims were something like three times the total Russian air force. He also said that the Russians would fly Ilyushin Il-4 in loose formations in order to bomb the hanger. The 109's would attack but the Russians must of been under orders to hold their course which made it a true Truthahn schießen. The fact that these pilots never had the same level of success against British and American pilots also tells the tale.
In fact, the Western pilots were better trained and equipped than their Russian counterparts but they too were badly mauled by the German pilots. My high school teacher was a former German serviceman in the Eastern Front ( I was in high school in the early 80s) and from what I remember, they had very strict criteria for counting a "kill" If anything, the Germans would under report planes downed or vehicles destroyed because of their attention to the necessary criteria.
I agree with you. I highly doubt that the actual losses match up to the accredited kills. Would be some big tallies nonetheless amongst the top Luftwaffe pilots but not at the level we see e.g. Hartmann 352 etc etc.
Hartmann would get VERY CLOSE to enemy aircraft before firing. He would avoid the traditional dogfight and use stealth, especially on Russian bombers which were heavily armored except at the oil cooler. His reflexes must have been amazing! He spent 10 years in a Soviet gulag. It's a miracle he ever made it back home! Get a copy of The Blonde Knight of Germany. It's a good read for mulitary history buffs.
Fabulous graphics and presentation. But constant, sudden ads are a pain. Just a comment, pretty sure he always flew with a wingman, and the same guy too. Wouldn't have been able to concentrate on the target if his tail was exposed and his tally would have been much lower, highly probable he wouldn't have survived the war either..
Hans Joachim Marseilles had 17 British and American fighters in one day. 157 kills. Killed in action when he bailed out suffering from engine problems and his head hit the back of the rudder of his ME-109-F 4.
@@butchoharechicago6657 His last ride was in the Gustav, not the Friedrich. Bf 109 G2/trop WN 14256 to be specific. Source (e.g.): A History of the Mediterranean Air War, 1940-1945: Volume Two: North African Desert, February 1942 - March 1943
EH could also be considered one of the most lucky fighter pilot. First of all he survived the war, than the soviet prisons. What is missing in this simulation is his main tactic, he use to approach to the enemy plane to 30 meters, than was 100% kill, even with low ammunition.
Hartmann was imprisoned for many years by the USSR; he shot down a Soviet fighter whose pilot was performing a Victory roll on the last day of the war; he didn't know that the war had officially ended. The Soviets held that he had known, and murdered the Soviet pilot after the end of hostilities. He flew combat sorties for a long time without any kills; he was a wingman for a long time, and felt bad, and that he needed to contribute to the fight. He was hardly hitting anything - and so he learned to close in on an enemy plane and fired from point-blank range. This tactic was almost always effective. He was called on to scramble against a US bomber raid while home on leave from the East, and he shot down 5 Mustangs. He really was that good. Erich - and the other German aces with high scores, were well-trained and skilled, but the reason for their high scores was the target-rich environment - the same as the tank battles(except that more Russian men died for each tank blown up). There was just a lot of targets, and the Germans had practiced engaging(detect, aim and shoot) very quickly, and they would often wipe out entire Soviet tank regiments in a single battle. The Soviet fighters were fantastically brave to hurl themselves at such skilled fighters knowing that they would probably be killed. And the Germans are very much aware that Russia hasn't forgotten.
Eric Hartman flew 2 fighters the Messersmit Bf109 and the Fockewolf Fw190. Of the two he preferred the Bf109 even though the Fw190 was way better. Spent 9 years in a Russian Gulag after the war before being repaitreated to Germany in 1953 after Stalin s death. Helped rebuild the modern Luftwaffe and train modern German pilots. Died in 1993.
My dad met him once in Germany after the war. Hartmann helped rebuild the Luftwaffe in the 1950s. My dad said he was a friendly, likable chap who took flying very seriously.
He really was, my uncle flew with him after the war in the bundeswehr, and i met him a couple times myself. I was still pretty young though when he died.
Cool to be that close to history. Thanks.
That would be amazing.
He didn't like the F-104 right?
@@Joshua_N-A no one liked that plane
My father who fought in WWII met Erich Hartmann after the war. He worked with the USAAF and met other German aces. He also knew a USAAF double ace who challenged Hartmann to a mock air duel using jets and was amazed at Hartmann's flying skill. If they used real bullets he would have been the 353 kill.
Well, those 352 "confirmed kills", was not 352 actual kills. The over-claim for fighter pilots of all nations was considerable and very often there where ~3 "confirmed kills" for every actual kill. This obviously differed from unit to unit. In the US it tended to vary from air force to air force (the 8th forinstance had a very low overclaim of ~30%, while the US forces in the Med and Pacific had far higher overclaim. In the Pacific there where cases where the number of "confirmed kills" greatly exceded the number of japanese airplanes in the actuall fight. For Germany the difference in overclaim varied between units at lower level and units with a lot of aces, tended to have a higher over claim.
Если эти немцы такие асы с громадными счетами сбитых, то отчего это немецкая авиация закончилась к концу войны а не советская?
A real warrior always admires a Hero even if he was an adversary.
@@drittenreichlieber And a real student of history, doesn't consider unsubstansiated claims from one side (the Luftwaffe) as facts. The truth can only be found, by comparing data from all sides. Thats why we today know that forinstance Rudel lied his ass of, and whats how we know, that the germans where nowhere near winning the battle of Britain, and thats how we know that the battle of Prokhorovka was not a spectacular tactical loss for the germans, but a spectacular tactical victory. When it comes to aces (be they fighter pilots, tankers, submarine commanders, snipers et cetera) there is a general problem, that we take their one-sided claims at face value, or in some cases, that we take the claims that was made up by someone else after the war at face-value as is the case for german tank aces.
Geschichten aus dem Paulanergarten.
A quote from a great man the world can learn from! - "One thing I learned is this: Never allow yourself to hate people because of the actions of a few. Hatred and bigotry destroyed my nation, and millions died. I would hope that most people did not hate Germans because of the Nazis, or Americans because of slaves. Never hate, it only eats you alive. Keep an open mind and always look for the good in people. You may be surprised at what you find". -- Erich Hartmann, W.W.II German Luftwaffe fighter plane ace.
But without hate and division the Democratic party would not survive.
This is even more astonishing knowing that Hartmann had to spend 10 years in Soviet gulags as a “war criminal” and was only released in 1955. Even after this terrible experience of spending his best years in prison, he still wanted to encourage others to live without hate.
Yes, what a ride man. NEVER HATE because it brings you down to their level. Hitler , Hess, Goerbels, Goering and Himmler were 5 evil.tyrants that will pay for what they did. You cant blame ALL germans cuz they did not have the means to stop him. Hitler had the military CONVINCED they were the master race and they blindly followed him and his FINAL.SOLUTION. Ask any of the great german aces about the holocaust and they will tell you IF they could have stopped it THEY WOULD.
@@JimLaifstailyea, and even more astonishing knowing he was the greatest lier of all WWII pilots, less than 20% of his kills are confirmed, check your facts lads.
@@Liberalmonkey haha, keep dreaming 😁.
I used to have a signed picture of Hartmann's " Black Tulip" airplane- signed by Eric himself. I later donated it to an Air museum
Very cool!
@Pojka well... There's a reason he was called "Bubi"
Good for you, man!
The weight of paint from his kill markings probably took 5 knots off his top speed.
He actually swapped his air craft with an inexperienced fighter, since the black tulip painting was known and feared. At one point there was even a significant prize on his head, but nobody wanted to take it. As soon as they saw the markings the russian pilots fled at top speed. So he thought giving it to young and inexperienced pilots gives them time to learn since at that point the education of new pilots was way too short
@@daftwulli6145 This is literally the most stupid thing I have ever read and was taken from the Book which was not written by Hartmann himself but by some fanbois "Holt Hartmann vom Himmel". "Hey new guy, there is a prize on my head but you can fly my plane, that will keep you save."
Whatever omegalul.
@@ariannescharfi9366 It was to distract the enemy, he gave his plane to new pilots and it's true that some fled but obviously he did it for him to to undercover
@@ariannescharfi9366 I don´t know how to tell you this but that book was OK´d by hartmann himself, and he was pretty proud of it. I got that from the horses mouth myself and have a signed copy of the book with a personal inscription for my mother. My uncle flew with hartmann in the bundeswehr till he died in a crash with the starfighter. Hagen hülfert.
The prize on his head did not matter, since enemy fighters where for a good reason scared of the black tulip.
@@daftwulli6145 Geschichten ausm Paulanergarten.
I love that you didn't ignore Hartmanns basic tactics like shooting only at close range and not letting the enemy evade.
Good point: If Hartmann stays right on the tail of his target, any Russian plane trying to help would fear hitting his own friend. Smart!
No way dude.
Shot down felling like a splash .
Smart And Very Brave Man Salute
@@weissrw1 did you know that Erich „bubi” Hartmann became a flight instructr after the war ?
My favorite fighter ace of WWII. When I was in my early 20’s I bought a book on Erich Hartmann’s life, by Colonel Raymond F. To liver and Trevor J. Constable, called “The Blond Knight of Germany” copyrighted in 1970. I’m 66 years old now and I still have this book. It’s the best military book I’ve ever read in my life.
Read the book too..wanted to write to him just to ask what sidearm he carried.
Was trying to make heads from tails from his photos on the sidearm he had.
"..a man is judged by the arm he carries.."
_ Theodore Roosevelt ..asking of what firearm Mulai Ahmed er Raisuli, a Morrocan tribal Shariff who kidnapped an American woman , carried.
I live in the same hometown where he lived, his brother was our family doctor.
Birkner was his wingman
Hartmann used to say : "when the enemy aircraft fills your entire windshield you can't possibly miss".
He developed slowly into an ace, was initially undisciplined, did not follow the command instructions, initiated an independent fight, so he was punished several times!
He reaped his 352nd air victory on the last day of the European War.
that only works against very inexperienced pilots or loners
@@cyrkestuffl9051 really interesting
@@vladimir0681 Well he apparently met a lot of these then!
352 pilots concur!
GREAT VIDEO!
One catch,,,the black tulip design on the front of the plane was taken off. His crew chief, 'Bimmell' Mertens and Hartman noticed his kills were dropping. The russians id'd the tulip pattern as a pilot to avoid. He removed it and his kill count began to climb again. He gave the plane with the tulip pattern to his wingmen to help them stay safer.
This is a myth written by the pseudo book of "Holt Hartmann vom Himmel". In freaking air combat you don't fucking see a tulp painted on an airplane like in some anime cutscene. Especially someone who flies BnZ the whole time and avoids deady turnfights. + How can u see the noseart of a german plane when literally most of german planes had something painted on them. I can imagine that u guys want to believe something but this is not so smart.
@@ariannescharfi9366 go away troll, you’re copying and pasting the same shit in every reply section that’s sad.
@@ariannescharfi9366 sorry, but don't agree. identifying paint scheme and markings were used by friends and foe to declutter in air combat. Cheers.
Shooting down 11 in a day and 352 kills without ever taking a hit is amazing, but to survive 8 bail outs and 14 crashes and just get back on that horse day after day. Its like the guy was driven on a death wish!
He also once escaped from soviet union, after been shot down. By foot.
Hartmann was never shot down by an enemy fighter. Only debris from the planes of his victims and ground fire caused him to crash land
So the guy was technically shot down 22 times ...
@@pacus123Never. He shot himself down, by being so close to his kills that the debris of the destroyed fighter damaged his plane. He once said "If the opponent's plane fills up your windscreen, you can't possibly miss."
"If you think you're too close, go closer!"
Amen!
@Viсente D That's how my paternal grandpa lost his first plane... although _he_ was RAF 😆.
@@KrautGoesWild Douglas Bader instructed his pilots, "Get as close as you can before opening fire. When you think you're much too close, get even closer".
@@raypurchase801 Different sides, same advices 🙂.
Dude! That was a really well made video! Using IL-2 as a medium for telling one story about Erich Hartmann was a good call.
BS Goebbels propaganda. Think man, ME 109 had only 40 min to fly, so take off - fight - landing. Hitler was very happy.
Hartmann is a total legend 👌🏻 what a guy!!
Kudos to the aircraft maker, ground maintenance, ordenance maker and lastly the pilot. When it all comes together, this is what you get. Thanks much
My step dad, Retired USAF Colonel Norman Walker met Hartmann and got me an autographed print of his 109! I had to come back just to brag.
Germans got quite a bunch of excellent pilots, Hartmann is the absolute ace of aces but some have amazing scores in West front (it was tougher there) one of them is Hans-Joachim Marseille. All pilots, soldiers and sailors of this time where brave.
Yes, i mean he shot down 25 Planes or on ground on one day. I think he was better than Hartmann.
Definitely we have to account for this, the eastern front was a turkey shoot, let’s face it. Hartman was a great aviator and tactician, I will not take that away from him, no way, but had he served on the Western front, there is a good chance he would have died in combat at the hands of the better tactics and high cover methods used by the Allied fighter groups. Many of the great German fighter pilots were killed on the Western front by skilled allied fighter pilots. We would have eventually killed them all had the war not ended.
All you have to do is watch these videos and read books about combat in World War II and almost all successful attacks were by surprise. Sooner or later you are going to get surprised and killed because nobody has eyes in back of their heads. Obviously Hartman was more farsighted and cautious than most so he survived, but he was shot down several times anyway, and nobody wants to talk about that because for some reason idiots love to worship Nazi bastard pilots. Thank God we beat the son of a bitches otherwise our grandparents would all be glowing with a soft yellow light as lampshades. I hate those Nazi bastards. I wish we would’ve executed Hartman.
@@steveperreira5850 About being shooting down, I read the new version of the grand cirque (Great circus in english not sure) written by the most succesfull free french fighter Closterman. There are some differences between the old and the new version, the new one includes a story about how one day leading his cap of Tempests they saw two germans, he said : I go piece of cake... one minute later he was under his parachute and was welcome at the base with a cake with written on it 'Piece of cake'... as you said, a lot were shot down and some survived.
@@wilfriedkotzenberg-nitsch5740 many great pilots were killed during the war. Marseille was good but he was a solo fighter as Gunter Rall called such pilots who did not fit for fighting in formations.
@@steveperreira5850 he flew against western pilots... I believe he shot down 4 mustangs in one day or something like that
When i first saw the ME-109 at the Smithsonian Air Museum it was astonishing how small but well made it was it reminded me of the R 107 Mercedes Benz !
What amazed me, at the fantastic Pensacola Air Museum, was how much lighter the Japanese Zero was, even with its ungainly glazed cockpit, than any off the Allied fighters
@@TheSoundsageIn the Smithsonian Next to the ME 109 was the Japanese zero and you were able to touch the plane it was like tin ,extremely thin metal that was seemingly was stretched to fit the plane. And the landing gear was thin in comparison to the Me 109.
He was 10 years POW by the Russians and came 1955 at home. 1956- 1970 in the Bundesluftwaffe and then civil flight instructor.
Was in captivity and what? As his "bloody commies" released alive, that's the question))) Apparently he licked something important to the communists.
And about the victories. Hartman comes out against the Soviet Air Force. Hartman says that he shot down 10 communists, and in the communist loss log there is 1 shot down plane. Probably the communists were hiding the losses so that heroes like Hartman could not confirm their heroic deeds ...
@@sapiensrex5603
In January 1997, three years after his death, Erich Hartmann was rehabilitated on the Russian side and acquitted of all his previous crimes. Furthermore, the Russian committee made it clear that the multi-award-winning fighter pilot had been unjustly convicted.
He surrendered to the Americans who unjustly gave him to the Bolsheviks.
I think this is a world record:
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The last Hungarian prisoner of war spent more than fifty years in a Russian mental hospital.
András Toma was enlisted in 1944 at the age of 19. As a soldier of the 1st Hungarian Army, he was captured somewhere around Auschwitz and Krakow in January 1945. The young man was then transported to the Boksitogorsk prisoner-of-war camp near Leningrad, and then in the spring of 1945 to Bistrjag, 1,500 km east of it. The journey could torment the young soldier, both physically and mentally, as half of the prisoners of war crammed into the wagons lost their lives during the trip.
The battered nervous warrior was finally taken to the Kotyelnyitsk mental hospital, more than 800 kilometers from Moscow, in January 1947, where he spent 53 years. After Toma crossed the gates of the psychiatric institute, he was removed from the list of prisoners of war according to Soviet practice, so he disappeared from the eyes of the Hungarian authorities and could not return home from captivity even after the post-World War II relief.
In fifty years, Toma was not very interested in language learning: he only communicated in Hungarian, he learned only one word (yes) in Russian. Perhaps he would have died there, forgetting the distant Russian land, if a Slovak doctor had not noticed the strange Toma, who spoke only Hungarian, more than fifty years after the war, and who was mistakenly registered as a psychiatrist as András Tamás.
The strange figure was then noticed by the Russian, then the Hungarian press, and the Hungarian authorities. Budapest Dr. András Veér sent a neurologist and psychiatrist to the scene, who officially stated that Toma had every doubt exclusively Hungarian. Repatriation could then take place.
After returning home for half a century, he became a resident of the National Institute of Psychiatry and Neurology, where a full exploration of his past began. Lieutenant Colonel László Erdős kept in touch with the old man, who said that Toma talked a lot about the alcohol, but when he was offered vodka or whiskey, he asked for Hungarian alcohol. Strangely, he also rejected it with the plum from Satu Mare, saying that it was not Hungarian. In psychiatry, he was diagnosed with a mental illness that could be treated with medication and also received his new artificial leg, which was 1.5 pounds lighter than the old Russian.
The researchers also found that the elderly man lived in a settlement called Sulyánbokor near Nyíregyháza before he came to the front. The old man was then taken to his native village, where his half-siblings, sister and brother, Anna Toma and John, thought they would discover their father in the long-lost brother. Then came the school, where the surviving classmates could meet the soldier who had disappeared on the front. The Toma family also presented documents that András Toma's mind was already broken on the front. The cognate strands were finally confirmed by DNA studies.
András Toma was promoted to Deputy Chief Sergeant by the Minister of Defense for his decades-long position, and he was paid his arrears of salary, which eventually cost him several million forints, as his service was considered continuous during his time at the psychiatric institution. The elderly gentleman was cared for by his brother Anna until his death in March 2004.
@@cyrkestuffl9051 Rehabilitated? in 1997? This is when Yeltsin was in charge? And what does this fact prove? Then they did not tell everything about the crimes of the Wehrmacht on the territory of the USSR. Under the USSR, so as not to offend the GDR, and in 1997 Boris Yeltsin had a friend, Helmut Kohl. Then many Nazi criminals wrote these papers on rehabilitation ... Only this rehabilitation is not worth the paper on which it is written. And Erich at the moment in hell is telling the devil how cute and good he is ...
Power to weight ratio was the most important factor in dogfights, when the war started the 109E had the best power to weight ratio and when the war ended the 109k had the best ratio.
The best was fw190 d3 by the end of the war if we do not count me262
I don’t know that I agree. Climb rate and such is all important, but high altitude performance combined with engine reliability probably count as more important.
On the eastern front high altitude engagements were rare unlike the western in which it was the opposite
11 Kills in a day sounds like a new Sabaton song! Hartmann deserves a Sabaton song.
Well given that they give Franz Stigler the massive overclaiming liar the time of day, I am not holding my breath....
Ну да в тот день илы послали бомбить немчуру без истребительного прикрытия, и было это явно в 41 году. Да и те 11 наверняка половина просто села на брюхо и .... потом их починили.
@Clinton Reisig Y the wouldn't, they make songs about ww history and he is an important part of it
@@-difr03 ask them lol
Но как им приятно верить в белокурого рыцаря, у которого минимум 50% "побед" записаны с его слов. Разве можно не верить словам настоящего джентльмена
I wish I could have seen the battles that he won when he shot down seven P-51s over Romania. They were the only American planes he shot down over his career.
Hartmann never shot down 7 Mustangs, he claimed to have shot down only 2. One on 24.6.1944 and another around 18.3.1945.
i thought it was 2?
7 ? He never shot down 7 Mustangs lol
I don´t think so, Russia received about 2.400 Curtiss P40 from the US.
Hartmann shot down fore shure some Curtiss P40.
@@ww2hungary827
Hartmann survived against 20 Mustangs. That is much more difficult than to shoot down two.
A story telling? That's a a surprise, but a welcome one
yeah he has been narrating videos recently
Aviation history can only be truly recounted with accurate detailed visual reenactment. Wow! What a story! What a great retelling of that story, as if we had been there ourselves! Thanks!
I really like this story-telling format! My suggestion, if you haven't already done it- Hans Joachim Marseille's 17 kills in a day, an astounding achievement by a pilot known for expert marksmanship and economy of ammunition.
I support that idea. Marseille has a corroboration rate of 70%, so between 10 to 14 out of his 17 claims that day were actual kills.
Beautiful Video Enjoyed It Very Much
Marseille had some eccentric tactics, didn't he? Like he made turn fighting work in the Bf 109
Sabaton, make a song about it!
I read from Hans Joachim Marseille that he once shot down 7 enemy planes during a takeoff and when he returned to the base the machine canon was missing only 9 rounds of ammunition!
He died that due to a faulty installation - after replacing the engine - his plane caught fire, but - despite the words of his companion - he did not want to jump out of the plane - he wanted to take the plane back to the base, so he turned the flaming plane on his back to get less heat, then when he could no longer jump out of the plane, but his parachute caught fire and he crashed!
Many consider him the greatest fighter talent!
Finally we have a proper video about Erich Hartmann on youtube
Not once this simulated Messer used the cannon?
Not very accurate though. Where's Hartmann's wingman?
@@nickhector5060 Wingmen don't behave properly in any of the IL-2 games - the AI doesn't let them actually watch your tail, but sends them into "free-for-all" mode. To illustrate the story, it's just easier to eliminate the wingman element of things. (Besides, if you imagine him there, you know that Hartmann never lost a wingman throughout the war, so tell yourself he got home safe! ;-) )
@@RevBoose he did lose one wingman. When he was temporarily oncombat instruction duty and was assigned a former bomber pilot as wingman. That bomber pilot didn't fly tight turns but wide ones and obviously didn't last long in the first dogfight but managed to bail out. From the book by Tolliver and Constable.
Really enjoyed the video. You often see posts that Hartmann only shot down inferior planes on the Russian front but at low level the La5 and 7 and Yak 3 were comparable to the late model 109's. He also shot down 7 P51's .
The Russian Yak 3 were far superior to the P-51 Mustangs, it is considered the third best fighter of the Second World War, the P-51 is only the sixth.
I wish to see a similar one from my all time favorite pilot: Hans-Joachim Marseille. :)
Think of how many kills he could have had if he could have stayed in a ME-109F instead of switching to a G model which used the new DB 605 which had issues with losing power/catching on fire.
Hartmann felt Marseille was the superior pilot - Western pilots, in his estimation, were worth three Russian ones.
Erich Rudorffer was also a great pilot, passed away in 2016 at age of 98. He was maybe the last of the great expertes. He made himself ace-in-a-day many times as well.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_Rudorffer
But for that fateful crash he would have matched Hartmann's tally in the western front.
Another fantastic pilot, indeed
Eric had a very hard start as a trained Stuka Pilot. Was run out of a Stuka Squadron
as incompetent. He was somehow literally picked up walking on a road by a truck
full of ME-109 Pilots. They took him in and checked him out on the latest model. On
his first combat mission, he fell to fear and cowardice. At that point, he realized there
was no other choice other than apply himself 110% as all else was lost. The 352 Ace of
Aces was born. His main tactic was to let you get on his tail. He would put you into
a black-out heavy G tight turn. When he started to blackout he would pull back the throttle
and squeeze out some flaps. You would then go right over him and he would then be
on your tail. That was the last thing you ever did. Shot down twice and escaped. Then
some idiot GI turned him over to the Russians at war end where he served 10 years POW.
His aviation career started in the Hitler Youth Glider Club. He wound up training US
Fighter Pilots in the 50s and put in charge of reforming The Luftwaffe. Revered by Hoover
and Yeager immensely. He was prone to air sickness and threw up in the cockpit
continuously. I have his photo along with a copy of Blonde Knight Of Germany in my
bookcase. The Hero of every Fighter Jock. Every one of them !!!!!!
Tre t
Where did you learn that ? In the blond knight of Germany
I think you have some of Hartmann and Rudel confused. Hartmann NEVER trained as a Stuka pilot. Rudel was, however he started off badly, even being traversed out before becoming the Stuka ace.
There is an excellent analysis of Hartmann‘s WW2 accomplishments called „Erich Hartman, Man, Myth, Legend“
My dad has a signed print of Erich’s aircraft hanging in a frame in his house.
Love your videos! I love to learn more about the German aces & the code of honor most of them had. I learned a lot from the Adam Makos book, "A Higher Call" I would love to see some recreations of additional great aces in addition to the ones you have already done that are featured in that book. Thank you for your work!
there’s a lot of turn fighting and deflection shooting in the video, but hartman himself claims that most of his kills where from a very very close low 6 position, into which he got by spotting the enemy very early due to his phenomenal eyesight. his autobiography recons most enemy pilots never even saw him. not to detract from his abilities of course.
You're not detracting from his abilities. You're illustrating them. The skill is to get into to that close low 6 position without being seen, and get away without being hit in turn.
Imagine you're a lone, brand new Russian pilot on the Eastern front, on a little familiarisation flight in your fresh lend-lease P39.......*BANG* 'What the....who's this guy?!'
Oops, you just ran into the greatest fighter pilot the world has ever known, having the best day of his career. Not your day, sorry about that.
If he has lucky he was the on that crashed into the field with his fuselage intact... Or if he parachuted out.
@@igorpachmelniekzakuskov776 your sentence gave me a headache.
Ivan after respawning at the airfield:
GODDAMNED SKILL BASED MATCHMAKING!!!!
@@thesmuggest6680 Lmao
GREAT VIDEO!!! I like these. Do more like the Red Baron in flying circus!
And I've got his autograph hanging on my office wall...
I have Robert Taylor's "The Hartmann trilogy" surrounding me now. Not only three Hartmann autographs (on stunning lithographs portraying highlights of his career), but those of other Luftwaffe pilots totalling over 100 victories amongst them (including "Pauly" Rossman, who taught Hartmann his craft). I also have a lithograph "Karaya One", also signed by Erich, and a framed photo of him looking SOO young, yet by the time of the photograph, he had already achieved 300 victories. "The blonde knight of Germany" also sits in my bookshelf. Erich is a hero of mine, not only for his war exploits, but afterwards (hint: read the book...he's an amazing man).
@@sopwithpuppy I've another lithograph of an 109E with Galland, Hrabak, and Rall's autographs. That's pretty good company on my wall!
@@bluevonwagner8609 i have Robert stanford tuck Autograph think he became friends with Galland during the film BOB guessing that these high kill claims are shooting up convoys also horse and cart things like that think the russians put up anything that could fly even woman flying biplanes lol did all german fighters have camera's to back all the kills up
His hand eye coordination must have been off the charts.
The Force is strong in that one.
Likely. Johnny Johnson had the same gift. His ability to get off ridiculous deflection shots was attributable to his uncanny understanding of math and angles. Truly remarkable pilots.
@@mikemontgomery2654 just *imagine* playing chicken with 2000hp weaponized muscle cars.. in the air
@@Schimml0rd believe me, I do.
Extraordinary life of Hartman!
bloody well done sir
Nice! A Hartmann movie
Bubi Heartmann. What an Ace. The Soviets were desperate to get him from the Americans after the surrender in 1945...
Poor Bubi. You can fly to Argentina in one hop these days. But back then you could probably only fly to Franco's Spain in a 109. I suppose he would have done something like that if he really wanted to.....
The Soviets sure held him long enough. What a pilot and what a man he must have been.
@GbbJunkie I used to read the memoirs of RAF pilots like Bader and Stanford Tuck. My uncle died not long after he married, thanks to Hitler's war. I'm not bitter, I'm just too old now for Boys' Own Stories. That's why I don't know Bubi's story.
On the Allied side, an ace such as Bubi would have been transferred to train rookie pilots before he reached 50 victories. His experience would have been worth a lot more than 300 kills for Hitler.
While the Spitfire had similar landing gear to the Bf109, it was a real lady in the air, warning rookies when it was about to stall. The Bf109 was a bitch, killing many rookies on take-off and probably landing too.
If the Luftwaffe retired its best into training schools and ditched the Bf109 totally for the Fw190 the Luftwaffe would have killed a lot more allied pilots in WW2
@GbbJunkie that was my point that the Soviets held him long past the time he should have been released. I have his book on my shelf. A great read about a great guy. Have you read "The Cruise of the Sea Eagle" fantastic.
Nice job! Hartmann is an underappreciated legend. He was a daredevil, and had to suffer through a lot in captivity.
...He was also an overclaimer.
@@nickhector5060 Jealousy wont get you anywhere. By the way where you there ? Saying he was an over claimer means you know it all. Hahaha you must be getting on in age.
@@rolandschramm3662 Can you name anyone shot down by him?
I can:
1st claim
5.11.42/1205
IL-2 Sturmovik
PQ 44 793 @ 400m (Own airfield: Digora, Caucasus)
7 GShAP, 4 VA. It is known that Grislawski downed Ml.Lt. Fyodor Artyomov, KIA and Serzhant Vladimir Zangiyev, bellylanded safely POW (returned) at around this time, but no further losses are mentioned. Overclaiming?
3rd claim
9.2.43/0655-0750
Yak-1 ("LaGG-3")
Slawjanskaja (PQ 86722) @ 1000m
66 IAP. Mayor Barey Sayfutdinov returned safely, St.Lt. Ilya Vladimirovich Khludenev and Serzhant Grigoriy Kovalyov both KIA. Ml.Lt. Leonid Arestov’s badly damaged and bellylanded 5km W of own base
(The other losses were inflicted by Friese and Lohberg)
4th claim
10.2.43/0615
Boston
NE of Iwanowskaja (PQ 86671) @ 3200m
63 BAP, 132 BAD, 5 VA.Crew of St. Serzhant Isatov. The crew’s Navigator, Andrei Yakovlevich Smolyar baled out POW, returned home in 1945
6th claim
27.3.43/1150
I-16 “Rata”
Usun area (PQ 85171) @ 800m (own airfield: Anapa)
Probably 611 IAP, 236 IAD, 5 VA. Serzhant Vasiliy Mikhaylovich Strogof MIA
7th claim
15.4.43/1533
P-39 Airacobra
E of Mertschanskaja (own airfield: Taman)
16 GIAP. 2 lost and 2 damaged, includes Lt. Nikolai Naumenko MIA. Some sources say this was finishing off 41-38451 of 45 IAP, St.Lt. M Petrov, which had been damaged by Wolf Ettel of JG 3, three minutes earlier
8th claim
26.4.43/1135
I-15bis ("R-5")
NE of Tichonowskaja (PQ 86722) @ 700m (own airfield: Taman)
62 IAP-ChF. Kapitan Aleksey Petrovich Furletov, hit in combat, ditched off Gelendzhik (about 30km (SE) of Novorossiysk), Krasnodar Krai, but drowned
16th claim
15.5.43/1210
U-2
Krasnoarmeyskaya (came down Titarovskaya station) (PQ 86544) @ low altitude (own airfield: Taman)
HQ 278 IAD. Leytenant Vladimir Ivanovich Ershov (senior pilot)[KIA] 274 IAP (3 IAK) and passenger Lt. Aleksandr Filippovich Makeev of 274 IAP (Bergstroem says passenger was M.Lt. Yevgeniy Kryukov of 43 IAP)
Unconfirmed claim
16.5.43/1415-1515
La-5
Own airfield: Taman
No losses at this time, rightfully unconfirmed
17th claim
23.5.43/0545
LaGG-3 ("LaGG")
E of Ssewerskaja (PQ 85253) @ 5000m
(Klaus Dadd and Guenther Rall claimed as well)
249 IAP and 267 IAP. Legitimate victories: there were indeed 3 losses all up. Pilot details pending
18th claim
5.7.43/0340
IL-2 Sturmovik
10km N of Woltschansk (PQ 61663) @ 300m (own airfield: Ugrim)
241 ShAP. Legitimate victory: seven losses for six claims (underclaiming). Includes Kapitan Tsygankov, formation leader (only he and one other pilot had any experience)
20th claim
5.7.43/1400
IL-2 Sturmovik mH
10km N of Tomarowka (PQ 61333) @ 200m (own airfield: Ugrim)
2 VA or 17 VA. 56 claims (45 confirmed) versus 55 IL-2s lost in the afternoon and evening. Within 305 ShAD, 175 ShAP lost 11 and and 955 ShAP lost 2. 290 ShAD lost out 16 of 32 sent up and 306 ShAD lost 28 IL-2s and 19 crews. 17 VA alone lost 64 IL-2s throughout the whole of the day
22nd and 23rd claims
7.7.43/0350 and 0352
2 x IL-2 Sturmoviks
Krasny Liman sector
1 ShAK. Losses in this mission include Kpt. Stepan Poshivalnikov of 800 ShAP, already damaged by flak, belly-landed in German territory but rescued by a mate (may have been the only loss in this engagement)
29th and 30th claims
8.7.43/0905 and 0910
2x LaGGs
10km E of Prokhorovka (PQs 61223 and 61221) @ 2500m (own airfield: Ugrim)
40 GIAP, 8 GIAD. Overclaiming, only one loss: Mayor Moisey Tokarev KIA
31st and 32nd claims
8.7.43/1805 and 1825
2 x Yak-1s
Ugrim (PQ 62872 @ 2500m and PQ 61134 @ 1000m)
Soviet report mentions the loss of three Yak-1s to fighters around this time (very likely legitimate victories therefore)
(Rall appears to have inflicted the third loss)
Get back to me when you have done some R E S E A R C H, little man.
As for jealousy... I have never wanted to look Ellen de Generes with a riding crop LOL
@@nickhector5060 Great research , what happened before 1942. The word jealousy you took out of text , poor Ellen how the mighty have fallen. As German born I took great interest in his life long achievements , sadly 10 years where spend as a POW in Russia.. To top it off he did not commit any war crimes , so let him rest in peace .....
History+gameplay=epic
Met Gerd Barkhorn ( 301 kills ) twice in 1979
My grand father ( 12th Waffen SS ) best friend was Hermann Graf ( 212 kills )
And was neighbors to Egon Lemke ( 25 kills )
The best ace of all times!!!
Congratulations on your 100th birthday, Mr. Hugo Broch! 06.01.22 . He is the best fighter Pilot alive with 81 victorys. All the best and health! Or as we aviators say „Hals und Beinbruch " ! As far as I know, you are the last living fighter pilot with a knight's cross.
i read the blond knight of germany while on my second iraq tour with the 82nd. cant say enough good things about it. one of a kind man.
I read that book in 1978. After I was done, my dad read it and he was WW2 veteran.
I read some chapters, and I'm skeptic about some passages. And the list of victories in his book did not match the ones in Luftwaffe claim records (there are discrepancies in dates, places and type of a/c claimed). Futhermore, he claims he was never shot down in air combat. But when I cross-referenced 5 out 14 times he suffered "accidents", or when he was "downed by flak", or reportedly he "ran out of gas", I found out that in 4 of them in fact was shot down by Allied fighters or fighterbombers. First he was downed by the rear gunner of an Il-2 in November 1942, then by a lend-lease Spitfire on 25 May 1943, by an Il-2 on 20 August 1943 (not by flak) and a P-51 ace on 24 June 1944 (he did not run out of gas). Hartmann was indeed a dangerous adversary, but there is too much embellishment and fantasy on his actual achievements.
@@Elrusoargentino what are you talking about? i stopped reading your statement as soon as i read he denied being shot down. then clearly you havnt read the book as he details each time he was shot down in detail. he even dedicates a chapter to the first time when he was captured and escaped. if you havnt read the book, and clearly you have not, you really shouldnt make such remarks.
@@paul123ggggggggg Hartmann denies being shot down IN AIR COMBAT. In the event you mention, he claimed he was downed by FLAK while he was shoting down his second Il-2 of the day (his victories 89th and 90th). He says that initially he thought the Soviet soldiers were Germans because they approached his belly landed Bf.109 in a German truck. Only when they came closer realized they were Soviets. Hartmann said they were Asian (Mongols, Buriats or Kalmyks, I assume). The event took place on 20 August 1943. But he was not shot down by flak, but by another Il-2 flown by Pavel Evdokimov (232 GShAP, 7 GShAK). Furthermore, in that combat the 232 GShAP, the unit engaged by Hartmann, did not suffer any loss, only one Shturmovik, flown by Viktor Yermakov, was damaged by a German fighter (evidently, Hartmann). But Yermakov could return to his base, and the Il-2 was repaired.
@@paul123ggggggggg So, as you can see, I read the book, I read the event you mentioned, and I remember the details provided by Hartmann.
Nobody knew it at the time, but the greatest series of Air War Documentaries had just begun
Double Ace in a day... there will never be a fighter pilot of Erich Hartmann's caliber ever again.
You have nailed it...
There was actually 5 German pilots that made triple aces in one day, Emil Lang holding the record with 18 planes on four combat missions 3 nov 1943.
That was cool. I would definitely love to see others; maybe the Pacific Theater, Pappy Boyington.
Sadly, the il-2 devs never added the Pacific as it's a Europe Theater based game. So heros like boyington and nishizawa probably aren't gonna be in these videos.
This is a rarity tjs voice in a video. Love to see it
Good I hope you guys like it because it makes me feel really weird doing it lol
@@TJ3 haha
@@TJ3 nah it was good :)
Excellent graphics and details of planes
It is actually the triumph of German engineering at that time.
@@hakapeszimaki8369 and education and discipline and society
He looked like a kid aswell what a guy.
Erich Hartmann was the only pilot awarded the Iron Cross with Diamonds and Brass Balls.
Hans Erich Rudel more
Adolf Galland get it I guess
I really really enjoy your content man. I love history, always have. You channel makes it exciting to learn new things. Thank you again!
Great story telling! The shots are great also! Kudos to you!
Bless him..RIP. Salute and Respect
Read his biography "The Blond Knight of Germany". He had kahunas the size of basketballs.
Been on my shelf for a very long time!
Idk why he just popped up in my head again today❤❤❤
I bet 800 Rubles you can't heart this.
He only attacked if he had a height advantage. If at any time he lost this advantage, he would go back, " upstairs for a coffee break". He learnt his tactics from Walter Krupinski and other "experten". Not only very skilled, but also at times very lucky, as he was forced to bail out on numerous occasions. On one mission USAF P-51s ran him out of fuel. Another mission found him down behind Soviet lines, evaded Soviet troops and walked into a German patrol the next day. He refused the offer to finish his war on the Western front, and went back East to his squadrons. He flew back with his mechanic squeezed into his 109 and surrendered to the Americans. They promptly handed him over to the Russians. Very nice vid by the way. I use Oculus Rift 2 on BoS, for realism there is not much to compare with this combination.
Now this is how its done, a great video. I saw an inter view he did and he was quite the character. Well done, maybe some Tommy McGuire or Richard Bong for the next one. Either what ever you choose to do, your subscribers win.
Assuming that the presenter can properly keep count this time, I'm in favor of it. Especially if it is about Richard I. Bong.
Take that you Commies!!
Reminder : your double impeached criminal cult leader trump LOST the latest presidential election 😂
@@gargouenzene cope manlet
Great video. Well done!! Man...how long would this take to play and edit. Well done.
Hollywood needs to make a movie about his life
Your mind is a bit clouded. The highest score in a day of Erich Hartmann was 7 and it took place end of July 1943. 17 Victories in a day had marked Hans Johackim Marceille in North Africa. There is one German ace who had exceeded that score. The record holder Emil Lang had 18 victories in a day, and another one ( Erich Rudorffer ) had the surreal 13 victories in one flight!
Yeah, I was wondering where he got 11 kills in a day for Hartmann. But you're right on the other three. Though Marseille's 17 kills in a day is disputed, they can only verify 9 to 11 of them.
Basically he was like Schumacher just in the air 💪🏻👍🏻👏
Furthermore, the "LaGGs" already had been retired of front line service the year before, replaced by their much more capable successors the La-5 and La-5FN. Even the ultimate Lavochkin variant, the La-7, was about to enter service.
And the claim that the Soviets put a price for his head... come on, that was the Second World War not the Far West. By the way, the only source of that is an interview of himself :/
@@nomcognom2332 I agree. So far I couldn't find any Russian source that mentions such "price for his head". I do not discard it, but I'm extremelly skeptical on this claim of Hartmann.
Bubbi must have had shares in LaGG. He certainly forced them to churn out more of them... XD Seriously speaking though, these experten were of a different level of man-and-machine symbiosis.
Truly shameful that the US turned him over to the Soviets to spend ten years in the gulag.
Not the best years of mine life, that's for sure.
@@erichhartmann1 wait, arnt u ded
There was thousands of B-17 everyday at that time, you can shoot many as you like but your limit was fuels and ammo. But that bomber keep coming again and again.
Good job sir 👍
He was a HELL OF A FIGHTER PILOT. There were quite a few German FIGHTER PILOTS who shot down TRIPLE DIGIT enemy planes mostly because they didn't have the resources to replace them therefore they flew many more missions which helped them to achieve such high scores as FIGHTER PILOTS. 🤔😎
He was incredible
Outstanding video and presentation.
Would be fascinating to try and actually document the kills and the pilots involved. Know the names, faces, experience levels, and final fate of the enemy he faced that day.
It's not possible because it's very likely an inflated overclaim. Historians tried to check his official claims with the enemy losses and only 80 of the kills matched with enemy losses that time at that place. The info about that day:
24.08.1944: on this day Hartmann claimed his victories Nos.299 to 303 over the Soviet beachhead of Sandomierz across the Vistula river - all four were P-39s. The only unit equipped with Aircobras providing cover to Sandomierz were from the elite 9 GIAD led by Polkovnik Aleksandr Pokryshkin - they sustained no losses in air combat that day. One Soviet P-39 pilot was reported missing after becoming separated from his comrades, "...who could have been downed by Hartmann. But at most Hartmann could score only one victory that day, never four...."
@@nomcognom2332 - I've read that on average only 60-70% of claims from WWII are confirmed with a historical check. However, I wouldn't necessarily dismiss a claim because a certain type of aircraft wasn't shot down. Pilots were notorious for not IDing aircraft types correctly. IDing the type probably wasn't the biggest concern for someone fighting for their life.
@@tominva4121 Consider that all of what happened that day was him telling what was happening through the fighter radio. Not a single verification was made. When he landed people already was waiting him with champaign, flowers and a banner with the 300th number in it. Of course, the war reporters were there to inform about the moment a pilot achieved such a round number of victories. Very convenient.
@Tom McLean stay tuned within the next few months for a surprise on this subject:)
i am truly amazed at how high the quality of this "animation" is, if that is what it is called. amazing way to tell a story. well done. i hope to see more of these.
Years ago I worked for a old German Engineer who worked as a fitter in the Luftwaffe on the Eastern front. He told me the numbers were often exaggerated by the pilots. That remark stands up to scrutiny because the claims were something like three times the total Russian air force. He also said that the Russians would fly Ilyushin Il-4 in loose formations in order to bomb the hanger. The 109's would attack but the Russians must of been under orders to hold their course which made it a true Truthahn schießen. The fact that these pilots never had the same level of success against British and American pilots also tells the tale.
In fact, the Western pilots were better trained and equipped than their Russian counterparts but they too were badly mauled by the German pilots. My high school teacher was a former German serviceman in the Eastern Front ( I was in high school in the early 80s) and from what I remember, they had very strict criteria for counting a "kill" If anything, the Germans would under report planes downed or vehicles destroyed because of their attention to the necessary criteria.
I agree with you. I highly doubt that the actual losses match up to the accredited kills. Would be some big tallies nonetheless amongst the top Luftwaffe pilots but not at the level we see e.g. Hartmann 352 etc etc.
I’d like to think he screamed “RESPECT MY AUTHORITEHH!” as he opened up on the enemy
What about Hans Joachim Marseille "The Eagle of Africa" 17 Kills within one day, 158 in total?
If he hadn’t died from an engine failure, he would probably be the most effective fighter pilot.
@@gyorgy58 - That is correct György. What a tragic accident.
Marseille fought in Western front, more difficult than Eastern front, great Luftwaffe ace.
Yeah, he was great. Adolf Galland said he believed that had Marseille lived, he would've surpassed Hartmann.
@@glennelliott5133 There would have been a great chance for Marseille, but things turn out the other way.
Hartmann would get VERY CLOSE to enemy aircraft before firing. He would avoid the traditional dogfight and use stealth, especially on Russian bombers which were heavily armored except at the oil cooler. His reflexes must have been amazing! He spent 10 years in a Soviet gulag. It's a miracle he ever made it back home! Get a copy of The Blonde Knight of Germany. It's a good read for mulitary history buffs.
"Eleven confirmed kills in one day" Erich, how did you confirm them? Hartmann: Trust me, I got 'em.
Gun cam?.
Un mito! Grande Bubi!
Fabulous graphics and presentation. But constant, sudden ads are a pain.
Just a comment, pretty sure he always flew with a wingman, and the same guy too. Wouldn't have been able to concentrate on the target if his tail was exposed and his tally would have been much lower, highly probable he wouldn't have survived the war either..
Paul
Yes - I thought the wingman was also there to keep score.
Keith
Excellent video, thank you!
Excellent vid!....he must of written a book on his exploits after the war ?...that would be a cracking read !
The Blond Knight of Germany - outstanding read!
a real survivor, lots of skill & lots of luck.
Hans Joachim Marseilles had 17 British and American fighters in one day. 157 kills. Killed in action when he bailed out suffering from engine problems and his head hit the back of the rudder of his ME-109-F 4.
158 kills. Otherwise correct
*109 G2
+@@konaber8020 ME-109 F-4
@@butchoharechicago6657 His last ride was in the Gustav, not the Friedrich. Bf 109 G2/trop WN 14256 to be specific.
Source (e.g.): A History of the Mediterranean Air War, 1940-1945: Volume Two: North African Desert, February 1942 - March 1943
Danke ! Interessant !
Hartmann had 352 confirmed kills.
He really admired the P-51. Imagine his score if he got to fight in one...
He had fought p-51s 7 times. Being victorious every time.
im pretty sure he once stated that the bf 109 is better
One day the Germans will make a film about him, starring one of Boris Becker's kids. It will unite New Germany.
How would it unite Germany?
That film has been playing in neuschwabenland since the late '40s.
EH could also be considered one of the most lucky fighter pilot. First of all he survived the war, than the soviet prisons. What is missing in this simulation is his main tactic, he use to approach to the enemy plane to 30 meters, than was 100% kill, even with low ammunition.
A true warrior knight of the fatherland.
Hartmann was imprisoned for many years by the USSR; he shot down a Soviet fighter whose pilot was performing a Victory roll on the last day of the war; he didn't know that the war had officially ended. The Soviets held that he had known, and murdered the Soviet pilot after the end of hostilities.
He flew combat sorties for a long time without any kills; he was a wingman for a long time, and felt bad, and that he needed to contribute to the fight. He was hardly hitting anything - and so he learned to close in on an enemy plane and fired from point-blank range. This tactic was almost always effective. He was called on to scramble against a US bomber raid while home on leave from the East, and he shot down 5 Mustangs. He really was that good.
Erich - and the other German aces with high scores, were well-trained and skilled, but the reason for their high scores was the target-rich environment - the same as the tank battles(except that more Russian men died for each tank blown up). There was just a lot of targets, and the Germans had practiced engaging(detect, aim and shoot) very quickly, and they would often wipe out entire Soviet tank regiments in a single battle. The Soviet fighters were fantastically brave to hurl themselves at such skilled fighters knowing that they would probably be killed. And the Germans are very much aware that Russia hasn't forgotten.
meanwhile in USA, 1944: 250+ new airplanes daily 🛩🛩🛩🛩🛩🛩🛩🛩🛩🛩🛩
US has the population advantage and the mainland was largely untouched. Only during the Cold War they got a real threat closer to home in 1962.
Да толку то с тех самолетов. Надо было еще пилотов так производить. А откуда их взять столько да еще и за день.
thank you very much for making a video about my idol Erick Hardman greetings from Indonesia 🙏👍
Can't unhear "That pilot, is Eric Cartman."
Eric Hartman flew 2 fighters the Messersmit Bf109 and the Fockewolf Fw190. Of the two he preferred the Bf109 even though the Fw190 was way better. Spent 9 years in a Russian Gulag after the war before being repaitreated to Germany in 1953 after Stalin s death. Helped rebuild the modern Luftwaffe and train modern German pilots. Died in 1993.