For anyone thinking that no uptime Clemecies is a big thing: Look at 8:30 where he delays his Confettior combo until after he provokes, so that he can use the healing from the magic combo to tank auto attacks. It's clever! BUT he loses the req buff for 2 of those combo moves, costing him 500 potency each(880 & 1000 potency with the buff, down to 380 & 500 potency without the buff). Just these two GCDs drifting outside of req is more of a potency loss than two uptime clemecy casts (outside of burst). So he is still sacrificing a lot of damage for extra healing, just in a way that is less obvious.
I'd see that as an additional challenge. Clemency is strong as a heal and you can use it "whenever you want". In their situation, they have to plan and delay some skills, considering the DPS loss. So it's a balance to find.
... it means, no --> uptime clemency. so clemency wasnt used for any mech or aoe during them actively fighting the boss so they were not activly healing with clemency throughout the encounter only toped for the next phase
Damn people cant understand the point of the video and just hate for the sake of hating love to see it, congrats on the challenge clear keep them coming!
omg the timing of the cover on the Reaper during Cross Tail Switch was amazing. Letting them take a hit to pop the shield is fucking genius. amazing work y'all
Yes. So more healers that are still wiping in Extremes and Savages will complain and shout "No healers needed in this game." Healers out here love playing the victim right now.
@@derekarmstrong6659 I think healers are seriously fucking horribly designed, but the general community is way to fucking stupid to actually understand the issues with it, and so all "healer strikes" will ever be are people sayin' shit like that.
@@thelazyhuntress In their defense, healing is pretty boring in Savage where you do actually need healing - it's undoubtedly insufferably boring in the content where you don't need to be healed in the first place, which is all they play.
@@Cervarius_K Did you ever try doing M3S? idk, that about "you don't need to be healed in the first place" That savage is literally a continous healing check
@@Azella_ That cast was cancelled before completing it, logs show only 8 clemencies cast all fight, all during the intermission. Looking in detail, Silence River has no gcds completed for a few seconds at that point, meaning clemency was attempted but interrupted.
@stormblessed2673 paladins do lose a bit of damage when using clemency, but in the video they don't use any clemency when the boss is target able, losing no damage. If you mean in general, a paladin would have to spam it for 2 minutes straight to lose out to a healer in damage. The average healer damage hovers around 8-10k The average tank hovers around 16-17k Nonetheless, what they did is an amazing accomplishment and not the norm. Should it become a norm to replace healers due to convenience, ease, etc, then it'll be a huge problem. It is worrying that it was doable on patch 2 weeks from release without healers. The fastest I've ever seen content drop an entire role. Maybe storm blood rathalos might have been faster?
Yeah. This is quickly turning into a running joke as this point. Not to discredit the accomplishment though, but the fact that so much content can be cleared without healers speaks volumes to the messed up balance. And yet, I don't see SE ever addressing it in any meaningful way.
Seeing as not everyone can do this- and it requires extreme knowledge of your classes and to plan out mits and heals properly amoung all eight people- This is not something you can hop in PF and do. The balancing is fine since people still miss DPS checks or die in normal comps.
PF won't do this, it's super tight and PLD even just gave up DPS to heal with the Blade combo for autos. There's also a few Clemency, so GCD heals stills exist. Their comp is full of DPS that can heal the party, no PCT, BLM, MCH, DRG, VPR, SAM
@@dudemcguy2498then it would be downright impossible? Crazy how you cherry pick this and that but you probably struggle to clear with a normal comp with healers 😂😂😂
It’s funny how you try to make it sound like having a WAR and SMN completely makes healer jobs unnecessary on CONTENT on WEEK 2 of the 4th floor of Savage…
@@meissen1337 the smn is less the issue than the war, if the removal of one job makes this feat impossible then it says a lot more about that one job than anything else
Next time, do this clear without using scripts, Cactbot, Triggernometry and auto rotation; then you can get my respect. Until then, you're all just classic cheaters who has too much of a fragile ego and just want some attention
Look at how far you have to go to prove a point, a comp thats full of divine veils, a shake it off, passive healing from arcane crest, and mantra, plus the fact that paladins magic rotation also heals them. Good job at making it harder for yourselves i guess, next time do it with a drk and gnb comp instead of classes with known healing capabilities :)
stop trying to ragebait or LARP or whatever this is, it's embarrassing mentioning arcane crest like it's this super broken button when it literally heals for less than passive regen, please go back to studying for your casual week 12 clear group
@@basteala525 right but to actually use this kind of scenario it would require for the entirety of the community to be able to think, adapt and communicate with their team like this group does. and sadly enough the community cant do that, so healers are the standard for the reason. people cheer for a healerless run but are incapable of executing it themselves is what im saying. plus this is the most healer stacked comp out there so it really is not much of an achievement.
@@dmcstudiosalpha5014 if it's not much of an achievement surely you should be able to replicate it. when can we expect your response video w/ no healer clear?
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That gathering log oGCD panic at the end goes craaaazy
Weird they didn't just hit Escape lol...
For anyone thinking that no uptime Clemecies is a big thing:
Look at 8:30 where he delays his Confettior combo until after he provokes, so that he can use the healing from the magic combo to tank auto attacks. It's clever! BUT he loses the req buff for 2 of those combo moves, costing him 500 potency each(880 & 1000 potency with the buff, down to 380 & 500 potency without the buff). Just these two GCDs drifting outside of req is more of a potency loss than two uptime clemecy casts (outside of burst). So he is still sacrificing a lot of damage for extra healing, just in a way that is less obvious.
I'd see that as an additional challenge. Clemency is strong as a heal and you can use it "whenever you want".
In their situation, they have to plan and delay some skills, considering the DPS loss. So it's a balance to find.
dam son why yo camera built like tht
"Whats that, White Mage is evolving?"
[Pokemon Evolution Music]
"Congratulations, your White Mage has evolved into Paladin"
Do note that non-uptime Clemency exists during transition (around 6:51).
... it means, no --> uptime clemency. so clemency wasnt used for any mech or aoe during them actively fighting the boss so they were not activly healing with clemency throughout the encounter only toped for the next phase
Damn people cant understand the point of the video and just hate for the sake of hating love to see it, congrats on the challenge clear keep them coming!
Holy shit, this was awesome! Good work guys, how long did this take you?
OMG is the first BGM the TVB Journey to the West😂😂😂😂
omg the timing of the cover on the Reaper during Cross Tail Switch was amazing. Letting them take a hit to pop the shield is fucking genius. amazing work y'all
Lmao, someone get this to the healer strikers
Yes. So more healers that are still wiping in Extremes and Savages will complain and shout "No healers needed in this game." Healers out here love playing the victim right now.
@@derekarmstrong6659 I think healers are seriously fucking horribly designed, but the general community is way to fucking stupid to actually understand the issues with it, and so all "healer strikes" will ever be are people sayin' shit like that.
Lol most of those healers that went on strike don't even do hard content in the first place
@@thelazyhuntress In their defense, healing is pretty boring in Savage where you do actually need healing - it's undoubtedly insufferably boring in the content where you don't need to be healed in the first place, which is all they play.
@@Cervarius_K Did you ever try doing M3S? idk, that about "you don't need to be healed in the first place" That savage is literally a continous healing check
Stacking 3 paladins is basically just having blue healers. 😂
The song is the cherry on top LMAO! You guys are great as usual keep up the good work
whats this song I love it! ggs on no heals clear cool to watch!
insane camera angle LMAO
需要解咒機制跟1血回滿機制來抑制這些無補師挑戰阿.
*Crazy*
Clemency haters in shambles rn
If you combine the casts of all 3 paladins, Clemency only used 8 times this fight.
@@jaygreen7494 And none of them were during the period where the boss was targetable and can be damaged.
Lmao. "Balanced"
@@jaygreen7494 They do 9 if you count the one on the dnc after they died @12:28 ish
@@Azella_ That cast was cancelled before completing it, logs show only 8 clemencies cast all fight, all during the intermission. Looking in detail, Silence River has no gcds completed for a few seconds at that point, meaning clemency was attempted but interrupted.
why have crappy music over the top? is it hiding something i wonder XD
Healers are about to unsub in droves
This is hysterical and amusing
funny that the title of the video doesn't mention what game this is.
FFXIV
And yet ... you clicked in here anyway... if you aren't in the know, why do you care to comment like that?
Now do it with no tank just healers/dps lol😂
cheated?
as god intended
You used clemency tho?im confused by the image. Nice clear tho
They didn't lose any damage to Clemency was what the image said
so its just healers replaced with tanks, that can heal, not even extra dps lol
Unfortunately tanks deal more damage than healers 😂
@@zankies8735 not when using clemency...
@stormblessed2673 paladins do lose a bit of damage when using clemency, but in the video they don't use any clemency when the boss is target able, losing no damage.
If you mean in general, a paladin would have to spam it for 2 minutes straight to lose out to a healer in damage.
The average healer damage hovers around 8-10k
The average tank hovers around 16-17k
Nonetheless, what they did is an amazing accomplishment and not the norm. Should it become a norm to replace healers due to convenience, ease, etc, then it'll be a huge problem.
It is worrying that it was doable on patch 2 weeks from release without healers. The fastest I've ever seen content drop an entire role. Maybe storm blood rathalos might have been faster?
Yeah. This is quickly turning into a running joke as this point. Not to discredit the accomplishment though, but the fact that so much content can be cleared without healers speaks volumes to the messed up balance.
And yet, I don't see SE ever addressing it in any meaningful way.
Because it doesn't matter.
1 party was asked to do it out of everyone in the game.
This is .01% of the playerbase.
And yet somehow I'm supposed to believe role balance is totally fine guys
Seeing as not everyone can do this- and it requires extreme knowledge of your classes and to plan out mits and heals properly amoung all eight people- This is not something you can hop in PF and do. The balancing is fine since people still miss DPS checks or die in normal comps.
PF won't do this, it's super tight and PLD even just gave up DPS to heal with the Blade combo for autos.
There's also a few Clemency, so GCD heals stills exist. Their comp is full of DPS that can heal the party, no PCT, BLM, MCH, DRG, VPR, SAM
Let's see you do this lmfao. This is less than one percent of the hundreds of thousands in the playerbase.
"No healer"
>has a warrior and a summoner
So that was a f*kin lie
No healer *CLASS ; shouldn't need that spelled out. It never said no healing period.
@@kellevichy point stands, its not impressive until they do it without the self sustaining ecosystem and the anti screw up baby button
@@dudemcguy2498then it would be downright impossible? Crazy how you cherry pick this and that but you probably struggle to clear with a normal comp with healers 😂😂😂
It’s funny how you try to make it sound like having a WAR and SMN completely makes healer jobs unnecessary on CONTENT on WEEK 2 of the 4th floor of Savage…
@@meissen1337 the smn is less the issue than the war, if the removal of one job makes this feat impossible then it says a lot more about that one job than anything else
healers got too uppity, they get what they deserve
replace the 2 extra tank with dps and no way you clearing this
ok whats your point
where is your no healer clear? :3
ya ima just keep my sub cancelled as a healer main...
nice jams, shit UI. catJam
False thumbnail @ 6:51
Clemancy was used
Title says no uptime healing so anytime the boss is untargetable they can use it
@@verdantmischief7092 wouldve been cool if there wasnt any
@@doinyourdad_6969 Why don't you do it then? :] Or you can't?
Still uses clem during transition and still clears it slow as hell with the extra dps from tanks zzz
They skipped Sword Quiver- What? Most PFs don't even skip ONE of the quivers.
You really thought you had a point there
Next time, do this clear without using scripts, Cactbot, Triggernometry and auto rotation; then you can get my respect. Until then, you're all just classic cheaters who has too much of a fragile ego and just want some attention
I can only see one fragile ego here
Look at how far you have to go to prove a point, a comp thats full of divine veils, a shake it off, passive healing from arcane crest, and mantra, plus the fact that paladins magic rotation also heals them. Good job at making it harder for yourselves i guess, next time do it with a drk and gnb comp instead of classes with known healing capabilities :)
It DOES sort of prove a point, though. Certain jobs have WAY too much healing utility.
stop trying to ragebait or LARP or whatever this is, it's embarrassing
mentioning arcane crest like it's this super broken button when it literally heals for less than passive regen, please go back to studying for your casual week 12 clear group
@@basteala525 right but to actually use this kind of scenario it would require for the entirety of the community to be able to think, adapt and communicate with their team like this group does. and sadly enough the community cant do that, so healers are the standard for the reason. people cheer for a healerless run but are incapable of executing it themselves is what im saying. plus this is the most healer stacked comp out there so it really is not much of an achievement.
But it's balanced cause pld and war do less dmg than gnb and drk, especially when it comes to feeding buffs
@@dmcstudiosalpha5014 if it's not much of an achievement surely you should be able to replicate it.
when can we expect your response video w/ no healer clear?