In Japanese Tifa says "Zuruzuruzuruzuru" (ずるずるずるずるずる), which sounds like dragging a heavy weight with you. This means that Cloud is carrying heavy memories with him (deaths of Zack and Aerith), and is also symbolized by the Buster Sword which Cloud wielded before (and now acts as Zack's gravemark). It is also referenced later when Cloud saves Tifa and Denzel from Bahamut, when he comments that he "feels light", like a great load has been taken off his shoulders.
True. Most people watched this movie without really listening to what they are saying. Cloud essentially is not a shallow character. It’s all lost in translation because they don’t listen.
I’m looking at the old compilation characterization to see how it holds up against the remake. Crisis Core is still pretty good but this didn’t age well at all lol
I like how we see them here. Yes, they have a relationship, but it's presented as an actual relationship. Full of complications but held together by genuine care for one another. Maybe it's not "romantic", but so what?
It can't really be romantic considering one person is depressed, blames themselves for everything, and can't move on. Oh, to top it all of they're dying and there's no cure. After everything that happened in Advent Children. If there is true potential for a romantic relationship to grow. Then it most likely should.
@@imnekooneko6373 You think that people can't be romantically involved while depressed? Makes it hard, sure but that doesn't mean they don't love each other. Cloud's been through a lot. He was there for Tifa when she most needed him and she knows that. She's loyal to a fault. She brought him back from hell once before.
Tifas just saying "dude, you're afraid the kids are going to die like Aeris died. But I'm your girl now and im telling you to go save them. Stop haunting yourself with her."
This scene is one of the quintessential platforms in the relationship between Cloud and Tifa. After all, Tifa has grown enough to express herself more clearly, though her improved communication of such feelings doesn't stem from Cloud, as he doesn't mirror this growth (by the time this conversation arises). Basically, Cloud gains far more strength from Tifa than the opposite in my humble opinion. After all, maintaining a bar in the middle of a dilapidated city, to obtain funds to take care of herself, Marlene and Denzel during a virtual BUBONIC PLAGUE crisis (let alone the emotional support for the traumatized children) is saying "single mom responsibilities" on steroids. Anyway, Tifa confronts Cloud about his alienation of others that he perceives as a self-burden and is affecting his judgment, thus jeopardizing his family and friends-- THUS putting everyone at a greater risk than his fears tell him. It's a powerful message indeed, and it was the "straw" for Tifa quite clearly (her face when Cloud said, "...Go." LOL) Finally, she (and Aerith) told Cloud to LET IT GO. She's not blaming him, clearly no one is (hence letting people in because they're trying desperately to REACH him, thus the alienation etc.,) although she could very well do so, but there's simply no ROOM for blameworthiness given all the crazy stuff they've been through (I mean really, the Lifestream event Cloud? That isn't evidence enough??) Sorry, Cloud's self-esteem issues sometimes bother me. Like, there's a million sign-posts for the guy, and I understand you're depressed, but...some signs are OBVIOUS. Tifa keeps saying "family" dude-- women don't say they want to start a family just because it's fucking Tuesday!! Anyway, at the same time, Tifa shows empathy to Cloud's disposition saying "she knows"; him being previously affected by not knowing who he was (thus the LIfestream event) so she KNOWS how he is and despite the absence of communication exchange for months on end, Tifa was astute enough to decipher precisely what was bothering him. Now, if that ain't a woman, I don't know what a woman is. In my observation, this conversation sets the platform for Cloud and Tifa to be "real" with each other in moving forward (whether they intend to be married or something remains to be seen, given they are parental figures in the eyes of the orphaned Denzel) and gives Cloud the underlying motivations as to WHY he fights...thus he fights again :) Important conversation indeed. GREAT FREAKING JOB TIFA.
Also Tifa has a ring. I found out they technically got married because they learned each other's feelings when they ventured the life stream! Don't believe me? Go on Google search and type in\ Under the Stars-Cloud and Tifa's relationship(as told by official statements).Type what in in the parenthesis too!
For many years, Tifa and Cloud who had favor with each other. Finally before the final battle with Sephiroth, they finally confirmed the feelings they wanted. Source "FINAL FANTASY 25th MEMORIAL ULTIMANIA Vol.2" Square Enix 2012 p023 Cloud and Tifa had both thoughts forever
They're SQEX Doppelgangers.. lol They'd make a hell of a dynamic duo, so maybe another idea for KH3. I mean, *wouldn't it just be hilarious to see the two completely caught off guard? Like two long lost twin brothers from the same franchise?* Think about all the potential... the sweet, oozing potential for KH3. I mean, technically Axel was derived from Reno, so I guess that makes sense. The charm.. the wittiness, mischievous personality, hot-headed edginess.. The burnt-red hair, trademark under-eye tattoos Both have an equal amount of flair, so they both get my vote.
@@niljansoria6825 Yeah instead they had a subtle scene with Tifa saying "words aren't the only thing that tells what another is feeling" and the screen goes dark.
To all the CloudxTifa haters out there... From the official novella: Cloud was silent for a long time before he spoke again. "Because I have you." [Tifa]"You've always had me." "I mean from tomorow on." Cloud answered with another smile. Plus, there's no way Cloud could've fallen in love with Aerith in Disc 1. Yes they had a special bond but love? He didn't even know *himself*. Cloud had so many self identity and esteem issues... he thought he was his dead ex best friend! Aerith never got to know the "real" Cloud either and she died too early for them to develop anything stronger. Tifa on the other hand has been by Cloud's side for years now. Cloud has been able to build an actual relationship with Tifa more than he has with Aerith. It really boggles my mind how the more rude and obsessive CloudxAerith fans are so willfully ignorant... Aerith, in all her kindness, even wanted Cloud to move on! So why can't you guys move on too?
I always thought that Tifa and Cloud share a strong bond even in a romantic way, because Aerith is dead so Cloud and Aerith obviously could not make any sense. Cloud and Aerith had a thing before, but I believe that with Tifa he had something stronger. Just look around everytime that Tifa and Cloud appear togheter, Cloud always try to protect Tifa. In Kingdom Hearts, Tifa is Cloud light and she lives inside his heart. In dissidia, Cloud try to protect Tifa by everything that may hurt her. In AC Tifa is the pillar to not let Cloud fall into completely darkness. People claim that Cloud and Aerith is an official couple, but Tifa and Cloud was already a thing since they are childrens. So yeah, Tifa and Cloud are official more than Aerith and Cloud.
Also from the official novella: Advent Children/Complete and Case of Tifa both portray Cloud as living in the Seventh Heaven along with Tifa, Marlene, and Denzel. The 10th Anniversary Ultimania, published by Square Enix, also made several references to Cloud, Tifa, Marlene, and Denzel as a “family of four”. This information is often used in love triangle debates by CloudxTifa supporters to claim that Cloud and Tifa are now involved in a romantic relationship, since they are living in the same house and acting as parents to two children. However, there’s plenty of evidence to show that Cloud and Tifa’s relationship is nothing but platonic. In the first place, Tifa herself states in Case of Tifa that this “family” consists of friends working together and encouraging one another. Look at the following passage from Case of Tifa: Friends were a necessity to me so that I could live on without being suppressed by the sins in my consciousness. Even if they were fellow companions that had the same wounds. Even if they were fellow companions who were burdened with the same sins. We couldn’t live without comforting each other and encouraging each other. Maybe you could call that family. We just had to keep the family together and do our best. Tifa thought she could get over anything while being with friends that she could call her family. ~Tifa; Case of Tifa And: "Episode Tifa" [Case of Tifa] - first off, there's the premise that things won't go well between Tifa and Cloud, and that even without Geostigma or Sephiroth this might be the same. I don't really intend to go about my views on love or marriage or family (laughs). After ACC, I guess Denzel and Marlene could help them work it out. Maybe things would have gone well with Aerith, but I think there is a great burden from Aerith. Oh, I just remembered. I wanted to write Cloud as a person, seen through Tifa's eyes. But he really isn't the type to open up (laughs). ~Nojima interview about On the Way to a Smile at the Square-Enix website Nojima says that the story is based on the premise that things won't go well between Cloud and Tifa, and hints that they may not be able to work things out after AC/C. Case of Tifa actually shows a great deal of incompatibility between Cloud and Tifa, largely due to mis-communication and misunderstandings. If this were intended as a love story, one would expect things to go well between them. Instead, we see Cloud descend deeper and deeper into a state of depression. The story shows us that many things are still bothering Cloud, including the death of Aerith, and that Tifa is not enough for Cloud to overcome his troubles. CloudxTifa supporters often claim that Nojima's statement implies that Cloud and Tifa are in love when he says, I don't really intend to go about my views on love or marriage or family." In fact, that's pure assumption when Nojima never gives his views. He could just as easily mean that his views on love and marriage and family wouldn't support the idea of a romantic relationship between Cloud and Tifa. CloudxTifa supporters apparently draw that assumption because they think Nojima's saying that he doesn't intend to go on about his views on love and marriage and family between Cloud and Tifa. In fact, Nojima's saying that he doesn't intend to go on about his views on the concept of love and marriage and family. He never says how that applies to Cloud and Tifa's relationship. As in the first paragraph, this passage also indicates that something is seriously wrong in Tifa’s life, since she's feeling uneasy and lonely, worrying, and looking to Marlene for support. Again, this is an odd way for the story to start if it was intended to portray a love relationship between Cloud and Tifa. The story continues: Tifa stopped washing and followed Marlene. Her parents already died and she was brought up by her father’s closest friend, Barret. Ever since Tifa met Barret and got along with him, she found out about half of Marlene’s life. That was why she naturally ended up being the one taking care of Marlene when Barret decided he would go on a journey to settle his past. It becomes very obvious later in the story that Cloud and Tifa's relationship starts to deteriorate quickly once Barret leaves, almost like Barret was serving as a buffer zone between them. We learn shortly after this that Cloud has actually left the Seventh Heaven without telling anyone where he is going. In the children’s room were two beds lined up to one another. There, Denzel was lying sound asleep. The Geostigma scar on the eight-year-old’s forehead looked painful. Denzel was suffering, as the illness couldn’t be healed and his condition wasn’t improving. Tifa wiped away the pus from the mark on his forehead; Denzel grimaced a little but continued to sleep. Marlene, who watched over Denzel, went to her own bed afterwards and called out Tifa’s name. “We’re here with you but you’re still lonely, aren’t you?” “…I’m sorry,” Tifa answered honestly. “It’s ok. We’re the same.” “I see.” “I wonder where Cloud is.” Tifa didn’t know and put her hand on her neck. Cloud was in Midgar somewhere. She imagined how the worst could have happened as he was caught in an accident where he went to work or he was being attacked by some monster. But she soon found out that he was still out there on jobs. There were people who had seen him. He just left the house, that’s all. Tifa was trying to convince the children that there were no problems, but she lost her composure and the children soon realized something was wrong. “Why did he leave?” I didn’t know. Maybe all kinds of problems had cropped up. But Tifa remembered Cloud’s last smile. It had the kindness that made her think everything was fine. I wonder if I was mistaken. It's made clear in this passage that Tifa has no idea why Cloud left. She says that Cloud smiled at the end of their last conversation, but it's never made clear whether Cloud's smile means that he agreed with Tifa, or whether it was simply a convenient and gracious way for him to end the conversation. The introduction to the story let us know that Tifa was feeling uneasy and lonely. Now we learn that Cloud has left the Seventh Heaven without giving Tifa any kind of explanation. Would Cloud treat Tifa so badly if he truly loved her? Furthermore, Tifa mentions that "all kinds of problems" had occurred between them. To quote Nojima's statement again, he talks quite openly about problems between Cloud and Tifa in an interview about On The Way To A Smile on the Square Enix Website: "Episode Tifa" [Case of Tifa] - first off, there's the premise that things won't go well between Tifa and Cloud, and that even without Geostigma or Sephiroth this might be the same. I don't really intend to go about my views on love or marriage or family (laughs). After ACC, I guess Denzel and Marlene could help them work it out. Maybe things would have gone well with Aerith, but I think there is a great burden from Aerith. Oh, I just remembered. I wanted to write Cloud as a person, seen through Tifa's eyes. But he really isn't the type to open up (laughs). ~Nojima interview about On the Way to a Smile at the Square-Enix website Notice that Nojima frankly says that things most likely wouldn't go well between Cloud and Tifa even without Geostigma or Sephiroth, and that their problems may very well continue after AC/ACC. As a result, we know that the problems between them are due to issues of compatibility rather than outside factors. Nojima also states that things would have gone well with Aerith, by which he most likely means that such problems wouldn't have occurred in a relationship between Cloud and Aerith. He also says that there's a great burden from Aerith, which is probably referring to Tifa's continuing jealousy of Aerith as mentioned in Tifa's character profile in the 10th Anniversary Ultimania: A close friend as well as rival? The complicated emotions she feels towards Aerith. Both of them share feelings for Cloud - Tifa was close to Aerith, who can also be called a love rival. With that point in mind, they were also good friends. Nevertheless, it is not hard to imagine that she carries complex feelings as a woman toward Aerith, who had built up a special bond with Cloud that was different from Tifa’s. Tifa’s complicated feelings continue even in AC, two years after Aerith had departed the world. This was due to the fact that Cloud, succumbing to the notion that Aerith’s death was his fault and condemning himself, construed that Denzel was “the child which Aerith brought here” and took care of him. In addition, Cloud had also gone away to the church that Aerith had been in. The thing which she is unable to hide in her irritation towards Cloud is the fact that he isn’t merely dragging the past around, but because that reason might perhaps be related to Aerith. ~Tifa's character profile, 10th Anniversary Ultimania, pg. 42-47 Since Tifa's complicated feelings for Aerith "continue even in AC, two years after Aerith had departed the world", it's easy to see how this would be a burden on Cloud and Tifa's relationship, especially if Cloud continues to love Aerith. CloudxTifa supporters claim that Cloud's only remaining feeling for Aerith is guilt for being unable to protect her, yet it's specifically stated in the Ultimania that Aerith is a "love rival" to Tifa, and that Tifa carries complex feelings as a woman toward Aerith. Since both statements are made in the present tense, this would indicate that Tifa continues to see Aerith as a love rival despite her death.
So I love reading fanfics with Cloud and various partners; but...at the end of the day, as one who beat All the games including Dirge of Cerberus.. there is something about the Canon relationship between Cloud and Tifa that is so complex, so simple, yet humanly, openly flawed that too me it's just a sincerely perfectly done well developed, over a long time....love story. :-)
I feel bad for anyone that thinks a relationship like this is the best the world has to offer. This looks like platonic friendship. It doesn’t even come off as romantic…..it’s depressing…… As someone that’s actually been IN LOVE I can tell you the closest thing to that is Cloud and Aerith. I’ve been with my wife for 11 years (I’m 30) and I can count on one hand how many times we’ve fought. We’ve done everything together, we’ve both built a life that we both contributed to on our own that we’re proud of, and we both still get butterflies. I feel so bad for people that have never experienced being in love before. Because believe me…..there’s a difference.
@@fearlesscheshirecat1411cloud and tifa are in love tho and just bc you experienced love differently from them doesn’t make their love any less😭 cloud is the problem most of the time bc of his low self-esteem. before the movie he was quite sweet with tifa, flirty and blushing and stuff. the movie shows though that once he contracted geostigma, his survivors guilt and trauma came back up bc there were people dying. people he couldn’t save. he was dealing with all this by myself and closing everyone out. this conversation with tifa is what made him realize what’s important now. it’s what helped him move forward. tifa is also the only person to truly know and love the real cloud. she never left his side and stuck with him to the end. that is love
@@fair.yspirit8889 I’ve had this conversation dozens of times, and that’s not true at all. There’s even dev and writer quotes that talks about how Aerith is the first person that sees Cloud for who he is, and the one that “melts his icy heart”. All the evidence is there…. Tifa is the one that alienates Cloud as a kid, and never accepted him for who he is. Nor never stuck up for him. Even after she used Cloud to do the first bombing mission because she didn’t want to. She couldn’t even stick up for him when they all celebrated at the bar, and Barret says “this here is a private affair”. Despite the fact that Cloud is the one that did the mission. So once again, after Tifa got what she wanted, Cloud was pushed to the wayside again…. I could go on and on and on, but I already know it’s not going to do any good. I’ve given dev and writer quotes, quotes from the games, and quotes and comments from all of the Ultimanias, and Cloud and Tifa admirers still wouldn’t listen. People are going to believe what they want to believe. I personally think they have a very damaged and unnatural relationship. But some people resonate with that because they have the same real life experiences. As somebody that’s experienced love at first sight, and experienced falling in love with somebody that I’ve had an insane amount of chemistry with….I resonate more with Aerith.
@@fair.yspirit8889 Saying that she never left his side, and that she was always there for him isn’t even close to true lmfao…. She has ALWAYS alienated Cloud and wanted him to be somebody he’s not. Read Traces of Two Pasts, and even in the original game, Tifa herself says they weren’t ever that close. In the Nibelheim Rebirth demo she says it too, and then Cloud got mad and said “There was a good reason for that”. I just genuinely don’t get how so many people could misinterpret and misconstrue the story the way they have….
@@fearlesscheshirecat1411 i’m not going to argue bc everything you’re saying is not true. i’ve read TOTP and OTWTS as well as cloud’s newest novel 2,000 gil. they both prove how much they love each other and went above and beyond for the other. she did not alienate him and it wasn’t on purpose. cloud did that himself. even in the demo barret says that they probably weren’t close because of cloud and he said nothing bc it’s true. tifa tried to invite him but he would always cause problems so she thought it was better if he stayed away. he admits this and regrets it too. in TOTP tifa says/thinks this. “it was that night that also made her see Cloud, whom she adored, as an ordinary boy. Tifa fell in love with Cloud. It was the kind of "love" where she wanted to be with him. That was how she felt.” never does jt say she wants him to be somebody he’s not. he was the one who chose to be somebody else. he went to be a soldier bc he wanted to be stronger to protect the people he loved. tifa loved and loves him even if he didn’t become SOLDIER. when rebirth is released you will see how important and loving tifa and cloud’s relationship is. i mean just look them up on twt and you can feel the tension and love between them with just screenshots
I think both ships are good... But I prefer [and I know everyone is going to kill me for it] Sephiroth X Cloud. I just love deep hate relationship and Yaoi.
@Priskila Rossy Ratnasari Don't know how much more Canon they can make it, Aerith is dead and Cloud is with Tifa... That's like having a written confession, a video of the crime being committed, motive, witnesses, and DNA evidence all in one.
One time me and my little sister were watching this movie and my other sister came home during this scene and later I heard her in the kitchen saying "dilly dally sugar daddy" ...wat? LOL
Shippers going to other ship's videos and getting into arguments in the comments /trying/ to prove everyone wrong is one of the ugliest internet behaviours and literally something NO ONE wants to see -_-
I think the "Cleriths" (or whatever the hell they call themselves) are more vocal about their ship because it isn't canon, so they feel the need to post their opinions and twisted "facts" everywhere to make it seem as if it is.
I think more than it not being canon (cause neither ship was 'officially' proclaimed canon since SE is moneyhungry and a coward and won't anger either side, despite how obvious one ship is lol), it's about their ship having no future. This is why instead of usual shipping wars of who will end with who, all they (those who can't stay in their lane reading 'what if' fanfics) can do is try to invalidate and destroy Cloti - a ship with obvious future. And since story and reason is against them, they can only cling to semantics, and what the word family /truly/ means type of bs, and a throwaway word so and so said in one promotional interview that is not backed up by the game lmao so they end up looking quite sad and pathetic and are notorious in whole FF fanbase smh. It's gotten so bad, if you search any Cloud and Tifa scene the first results will be smth like: cloudandaerith4ever(dotcom)why_this_C&T_scene_is_NOT_romantic lmfao Truly sad! Meanwhile even a 5 year old could tell you based on full story which couple is a likely endgame, so Cloti fans are more calm, have nothing to prove. Even neutrals and non-shippers agree which side makes more sense in the end. They forget that the main Clerith shtick is tragedy. And this tragedy is not only Aerith dying, but it's the fact that the player was teased with the POSSIBILITY of a couple - but never got the chance to make it happen! Their whole story is 'what could have been.. but will never be', iirc the fandom even has a slogan like that lmao. It's only ever about the possibility: 'I want to meet the real you [IN THE FUTURE]', predictions, see you laters and so on. You add to that the later revealed Zack factor and it gets even worse cause now you don't know how much was influenced by him - AND YOU'LL NEVER GET THE CHANCE TO KNOW! THAT is the real tragedy! But ofc all this is if you choose to romance Aerith, cause I got zero Clerith content while playing the game, meanwhile you can't escape some Cloti scenes (Lifestream, both Highwinds...) either way hoho. Let's also not forget that the whole Aerith/Clerith story was purposely designed to invoke as much emotion as possible. She's the first girl you see, all pink, flowery, loves life, comes on to you, nice, smiley - and gets cruelly killed. Everything calculated. It's to make you get as attached as possible to break your heart. Which is why her story brings such strong emotions out in people even 20 years later, why they're so ANGRY and OVERZEALOUS in their stance: 'if she has such unfair fate, if she's not happy - no one else can be!' In Japan she's like the most beloved character, because of her fans have anti-Tifa movements, making petitions demanding to lessen her role in remake (if things change, you'll know who SE has listened to lol). That's why they ruined Advent Children by making Cloud 'emo', just to bring her back somehow. That's why from time to time SE will throw them a bone in side games, where they bring the not-real Cloud (who's not like actual Cloud at all) and have him make allusions to some dead girl and feelings - to make that fanbase happy. But it has nothing to do with actual FF7 story.
@Heaven's Cloud This is so painfully 100% true. I would love to have a long sit down conversation with a Clerith shipper and just ruin them with nothing but facts haha
@LexyKentucky A Don't try. They will just stick their fingers in their ears and say "la la la la" and continue to believe their delusions like saying that Cloud has sex with Aerith's ghost and she is going to get pregnant. (Yes they really think that! I have seen them post it more than once!)
Cloud reunited with Tifa who he loves for a long time,he was ashamed of himself who could not become a soldier, he mixed with the story he heard from his best friend Zack and the fact, and he made his own fantasy and started playing. Source "FINAL FANTASY VII ULTIMANIA OMEGA" SQUARE ENIX 2005 p13 Cloud Strife Behavior Observation Record
The promise with a childhood friend Before leaving Nibelheim, Cloud said that "I'll be a SOLDIER" to a village girl, Tifa, whom he dimly fell in love with, and made a promise to protect her. Such a pompous declaration turns out to be false - considering this, Cloud conceals his identity and coldly sweats under his helmet when he confronts his hometown. (Crisis Core, Ultimania) The word dim means faint. Therefore Cloud's dim crush faded away over time. During the course of the events after the Lifestream, it is clear Cloud and Tifa become friends, after being strangers for so long getting to know each other along the way of their journey. In Advent Children, Tifa discovers new feelings, she feels for Cloud. Feelings that of a mother would feel towards a son, whom she describes Cloud as a big kid himself to take care of, along with Marlene and Denzel, and the rest of her family of friends. "Tifa was a very difficult character to create. Like Aerith, she has a maternal side to her, but in a different sense. Not only was she looking after Marlene and Denzel, but she also felt a certain maternal bond to Cloud, who is a 'big kid' himself in some respects. Yet despite this, she continues working as the manager of Seventh Heaven without a complaint." (Nomura, Reunion Files, Tifa's profile) So, Nomura states that both Tifa and Aerith have maternal sides to them, but that Tifa's maternal side is different. He then applies Tifa's maternal side directly to Cloud and states right there that Tifa has a maternal bond with Cloud. Aerith's maternal side was described as being different than that of Tifa's, whose maternal side relates to Marlene, Denzel, and Cloud. So, how exactly is Aerith like a mother to Cloud when it has already been confirmed that Tifa is the one who is like a mother to Cloud and that Aerith's maternal side isn't like Tifa's? Honestly, Cloud acts like a rebellious teenager around Tifa all throughout Case of Tifa and AC/ACC, anyways. He runs off on his motorcycle, stays gone all the time, clams up and doesn't speaking with Tifa, hides things from her, etc... Tifa, on the other hand, acts like a concerned parent, worrying about Cloud and scolding him on several occasions. A few examples of this: (During a conversation with Tifa) ... Cloud made a familiar face, like a child who knew a scolding was inevitable... (Case of Tifa) ********************************************************************************************* Cloud gazed at Tifa with the expression of a child whose worst secret had just been let out of the bag... (Case of Tifa) ********************************************************************************************* ...He's like a child, Tifa thought. While it made her sad that Cloud could see another world she knew nothing about, the idea his world was expanding at all was a welcome one. Yes... Maybe this is kind of what a mother feels like. Once she saw Cloud off, Tifa was alone with the new emotions growing inside her and was happy. (Case of Tifa) And: “The place where he awakens. That is Cloud’s Promised Land……When he awakes, there was his friends. There were the children, freed from their fatal illness. Tifa and Marlene, and Denzel asking for Cloud to heal his Geostigma- his family were waiting. Engulfed in celebration, he realises where he is meant to live. He realises that he was able to forgive himself. And when he turns around-- "she” is starting to leave. Together with the friend who had given Cloud his life. Cloud no longer has to suffer in loneliness… And so they too go back to where they belong. Back to the current of life flowing around the planet" ~Final Fantasy VII 10th Anniversary Ultimania, Square Enix --Cloud awakes in Aerith’s Church where he shares a spiritual connection with her. Where Cloud awakes is his Promised Land - his supreme happiness. This means Cloud’s supreme place of happiness is with Aerith in her Church. Tifa is lumped in as one of Cloud’s friends in this passage. Learn to do proper research, then maybe you might understand the characters feelings themselves. Just maybe. As for the ending of Advent Children, and dirge of cerberus, Tifa is still considered to be one of Cloud's friends. While Aerith and Cloud are reunited in their promise land. Since Cloud can see, hear, and touch Aerith as if she were alive, and Aerith can do the same. Since death isn't an issue or a barrier between them much like Yuna and Tidus (despite Tidus being a dream still made up of pyreflies as confirmed in the ending novellas of FFX) The whole bullshit lie that "Aerith can't be with Cloud, because she's dead." Is forever null and void thanks to Nomura. It is his company, his rules, and no anti fans can twist his arm, and say Aerith or Tidus can't be with their lovers.
@@sakuracardcaptor4709 what? you provided no proof but your own delusion. icant find a single word or passage claiming cloud loves aerith, all of it pointed to Cloud felt guilty to both aerith and zack
@@minus21334 I think Tifa and Cloud are married or at least a couple also he doesn't love Aerith, he only feel bad cause he think he could save her and he don't do it, just like with Zack and Cloud doesn't want to fuck with Zack. I don't know why people think that Aerith is Cloud's true love... Jesus she don't even know the real Cloud Strife she only knew the SOLDIER 1st Class Cloud
Sakura CardCaptor Don’t know if you’ll see this but I guess here’s an opinion that I made based upon what I saw from when I played the ff7 series and the ffx series. You can’t compare Yuna X Tidus and the ff7 fan-made triangle. Yuna x Tidus has a very established relationship between them to the point that even Yuna dreams about Tidus in X-2. Aside from that, you can also see Tidus ‘romantically’ kissing Yuna. That’s it bye bye
despite not suffering from survivor's guilt, I really relate to cloud in this movie. I have a tendency to push people away from myself, feeling that I don't deserve their care or love, and oftentimes I end up completely missing the signs that people even *want* to be close to me. I guess it feels like I'm dragging a heavy weight of my own, and that somehow I need to overcome it.
That makes two of us, I feel and think the same way sometimes. I tend to forget I have people in my life(friends and family)who do genuinely care about me, especially back when I was in my early years of high school.
Honestly, it's a big reason why Cloud is so disliked in Advent Children. People callously call him "Emo" and "depressed" without understanding why he's like that. They don't take the timeline into account. They also kinda just conveniently forget that Cloud is DYING here, legit DYING and that's making EVERYTHING worse for him. By all rights, it MAKES SENSE that Cloud is like this. He is responsible for giving the black materia to Sephiroth which unintentionally lead to Aerith's death. He was ostracized as a kid by his town and blamed for Tifa falling off Mt. Nibel AS A SMALL CHILD. The adults, without knowing it was Tifa's idea to go on the mountain, blamed Cloud and so did all of Tifa's friends because of the coma she went into. Is it any fucking wonder the guy feels useless? Nobody would hang out with him as a kid and so he gained a superiority complex to mask how little he thought of himself. Goes off to be a SOLDIER, fails to succeed there despite his best efforts. He's assigned with Sephiroth and Zach to go to Nibelheim and is forced to watch as his childhood idol, Sephiroth the war hero, burns down his hometown, kills his mom, severely harms both Tifa and Zach, and is then experimented on for an untold amount of time. Gets saved by Zach as a near comatose corpse, watches Zach die in front of his eyes and then drags himself and the buster sword all the fucking way on foot to Midgar. Avalanche and the blowing up of the reactor happens, he's helpless much like Tifa as the Sector 7 plate crushes the town he was JUST STARTING TO GET AQUAINTED WITH. Is toyed with by Sephiroth to the point that he thinks he never existed in the first place, made to think he's a puppet with no real emotions. Forced to do what Sephiroth wants, gives him the black materia, and ultimately even though he saved the world, Cloud most likely internalized that victory as him just "cleaning up his mistakes". He almost doesn't even go to the north crater because he thinks he'll get controlled again. Cloud is given no time to grieve during any of this, and had no time to come to terms with his psychological scarring that came with clearing up his memories and remembering who he is. He then just had to go and kill Sephiroth a second time, which again, he looked up to as a kid. Cloud literally had no time to process ANY of this due to the Mako poisoning and only RECENTLY found himself but everybody expects him to just be "over it." It's so disrespectful to Cloud's journey of self acceptance
How to get depressed: reading about a discussion with whom cloud is in a relationship. One side twisting and ignoring the truth, so their truth is valid. Doings this for 1-2 hours, then realizing, you waste your time. What I'm doing with my life -_-
tifa and cloud couple canon and this scene makes this very clear, even more if it weren't for the tifa saves the cloud from the wheelchair there, he wouldn't be there, and another when he says that when everything is over they will build a family
Which is it, a memory or us? It always hit me so hard that after all these years Aerith is so deeply engraved to Cloud's heart, he will always pick her memory of her every single time and will never stop looking for her. 😭 AC was really the bad ending/outcome for all the characters.
Tifa is an amazing and supportive friend. You can tell she wants more, but I think at this point Cloud cannot give her what she wants especially when he’s holding onto the past. He feels guilty over Aerith’s death. Whether you are a Clerith fan or Cloti fan this is a fact. I will always cherish Clerith but I also acknowledge that Cloud is young at this point and eventually he’ll be able to offer more in time when he does the healing and loves himself. Whether it be moving on with Tifa or someone else I do believe that because Aerith would have wanted him to be happy and you see that it in this scene.
I have to agree with Tifa when she told Cloud to stop running. Cloud may have failed to save Aerith from Sephiroth, but that doesn't mean he has to tear down those around him. Even Aerith (in spirit) asked him isn't it time he did the forgiving
Maybe I was just used to her voice from AC because I’ve always watched this growing up but imho, I really prefer Tifa’s voice from the Advent Children. I’m still astounded by how she sound so mature in the FF7Remake. Nevertheless, the Tifa’s voice in remake is still good and her seiyuu is badass.
I think Final Fantasy VII (Talking about the game itself) has a lot of potential to be a movie. It would make a great mix of epic, comedy and drama without losing track of tone. It would also make a great narrative structure and would focus more on character growth as opposed to just size and scale.
ew ew @ antis in the comments! Ain't nobody here cares about having that argument with you, and neither anyone here agrees with you. Go talk to someone with similar mindset and don't be toxic.
@@sakuracardcaptor4709 barret wearing a ring yeah u r right not just one three on em and non of em is fenrir and u can c cloud wearing any ring other than on his ear y bcuz he is wearing gloves
With the timeline rewritten, I hope they either retell Advent Children in game form or do some retconning where Cloud and Tifa are actually married with Denzel being their adopted child.
@@fearlesscheshirecat1411 Tifa isn't telling Cloud to forget Aerith. Where did you get that idea? The point is to move forward and not let the guilt kill him inside. The whole point of the movie and it's trying to convey is to push forward no matter how tough life comes and hit u in the face. Tifa represents that "keep trying" same goes for Denzel. Some of you Aerith fans have to be the dumbest ppl in this fandom. Getting tired of people painting and twisting Tifa's char in a bad light, when you all would do the same when a loved one is constantly beating themselves down and giving up in life.
@@ramen4laifu33 Nobody’s twisting Tifa into a bad light at all. You want to talk about some of the most delusional and twisted fandoms, Cloti’s take the cake. It has nothing to do with ships for me. I’ve never even played the original game, but I’ve played Remake literally 12 times, and Ray Charles could see Cloud and Aerith are the only ones that come off in any romantic way whatsoever. Cloud and Tifa come off like a weird brother/sister type of relationship. All I said was she’s basically telling Cloud to get the f over Aerith and move on. If anybody was a fan of Cloud or Tifa they would never want them to be together. Advent Children is clear evidence that they’re miserable together, and that Cloud clearly has feelings for Aerith and can’t get over it. Cloti’s chalk it up to just “guilt”. It’s not just guilt, clearly he loved her and had feelings for her. I’ve never even played the original game, and even I know they allude to Cloud and Aerith having feelings for each other multiple times. Max Dood is a die hard Cloti shipper and even he admits that Aerith is the one that breaks Cloud out of his shell and that Aerith is the one that brings romantic feelings out of Cloud. I don’t care if Cloud and Tifa end up together at all. I love Tifa both as a character and a combatant. But after playing Remake without any preconceived notions or expectations and Cloti’s sit there pretending like it’s “obviously Cloud and Tifa” are completely full of sh*t lmfao In Remake Cloud and Aerith show more affection than anybody. There’s so much evidence throughout the game. If anybody says otherwise they’re clearly blinded by their own expectations and nostalgia. If Cloud and Tifa end up together and can be happy…..great!!! More power to them, but if they’re just going to be miserable because he clearly loves Aerith still…..then why would anybody want that….? If you ask me I hope more of the story changes in Rebirth. I’d love to see Cloud and Aerith have a shot. Cloti fans have had their way for 25 years now, and it’s left them both miserable.
@@fearlesscheshirecat1411 you lost me at never playing the original. One who didn't play the og should sit down. Aerith and cloud relationship in the remake was aerith persuing and cloud being a literal douche to her. You like that cringe type of relation ship that's on you. Advent children is cloud over coming his guilt. It isn't just aerith he has guilt for but also Zack fair.
@@ramen4laifu33 Cloud has been a douche to everybody, but Aerith least of all. As a matter of fact Aerith is the only person from the entire game to get Cloud to laugh. And me not playing the original makes me the perfect candidate to form an opinion on this….. Because I haven’t been carrying around a preconceived notion or bias for the last 25 years of what I THINK to be true. I was able to play Remake with no expectations and look at things for how they are. And like I said, that’s how Cloti’s always write off AC….guilt. Nothing else lol
Some people don’t like the remake voices compared to this, but I liked them; especially rude’s new voice. Crispin Freeman did a fantastic job, but rudes new va did marvelous. I do wish quinton Flynn was still Reno though. New va for him isn’t the best but it’s not that bad. All others were great too
To Yukime Hime, Give it up. Are you seriously leaving a comment on every pro CloTi post to try and disprove them? First off, are you delusional? Cloud and Tifa are absolutely a canon thing. To say otherwise is just plain ignorant. I could sit here and leave a long essay about why this is the case, but I can already tell that you are a person who does not care about any true statements or valid points that do not back up what you believe (some people have already tried to explain to you...you don't care). Now I'm not saying that Cloud and Aeris are not a thing, because they are canon too and CloTi fans who don't acknowledge that are just as ignorant. Despite me not caring for that ship, I can understand why people ship them and I don't think they are crazy for that. You don't know everything missy, the majority Cloud x Tifa shippers are not going to change their minds because of your little post. So please save your breath, leave us alone and go enjoy your Cloud x Aeris fanfics~ :)
Seriously lol. She's been doing this for months, maybe years. I've seen her comments in so many major CloTi videos, posting the same thing, I'm almost admiring her dedication to troll and annoy others. ALMOST. The thing is nobody who ships Cloud and Tifa agrees or cares with those copy/pasted arguments, in fact they can - and have - made even better counter arguments themselves, but people come to these videos to enjoy the ship in peace, there are enough arguments in forums and on tumblr. So what is really the point? Annoy everyone??
There are Cleriths who shove their ship in people's faces, yes. BUT CLOTIS ARE NO DIFFERENT. GO LOOK UP Tumblr and see that there are rabid Clotis crosstagging into the Clerith tag and calling Cleriths "delusional" when they also have their reasons to LOVE THEIR SHIP.
Actually I don't disagree with you. I know 1 Cloti fan who is very annoying and wants to start drama. Even tho most of the stuff he posts about delusions is true, like how SOME Cleriths think the end of AC means Cloud will move and permanently live at church and have relationship with Aerith's ghost - when the point is him letting go and going back home; or how they think Cloud taking Zack's sword from his grave and moving it to Aerith's flowers creating a shared memorial in a place where he let his guilt and both his friends' spirits finally go is Clerith sign instead of Zerith at most (I myself don't think it's romantic at all but whatever) - these things are delusions, BUT see, I still don't go to these people and tell them about it. I let them be delusioned if they want. And they MOST DEFINITELY can (AND SHOULD!) ship what they want. I also don't like what that 1 Cloti fan is doing and you know what I did? I blocked him, even tho he's a Cloti fan, because I don't like drama. And tumblr allows that, but RUclips doesn't. Here I am forced to read all this bullshit on almost every Cloud and Tifa video. If we're going in details, there are 3-4 famous insufferable Cleriths on tumblr as well (many Clotis can tell you their names) who try to impose their narrative and write anti-Cloti essays. At least they don't cross-tag lately, but they would jump in positive Cloud x Tifa posts and preach their truths. The only reason I haven't blocked all of them (only 1 iirc) is because of several times even non-shippers would intervene with their antics and give them a proper lecture, and I'm afraid if I block them I might not be able to open those posts and amuse myself by rereading (yes, I'm evil like that sometimes xD). Overall, tumblr is full of shittiest part of shipwars, but at least it allows me to block people. EDIT: wait, I spoke too soon, I opened Cloti tag today and one of those Cleriths I mentioned was parading one of their nonsensical essays. (And when I say nonsensical, I MEAN NONSENSICAL, every rational person will understand once they read it. And this word doesn't apply to those who peacefully ship)
Even after 11 years, people still argue about this? 😂😂😂 oh dear cloud my boi, your relationship the two girls you love are really fuck up people's brains.
Because she knows he's strong enough to take them on his own. It's the Geostigma that's really bringing Cloud back deep into his insecurities and fears. Tifa nailed it on the head. He's scared to try, scared that he'll screw it up somehow. But just because he might fail doesn't mean that Cloud should just give up
An Arriving Winged Hussar Cloud never loved Tifa. He was attract to her when he was child. They never be friends before 7. And Tifa barely know true Cloud. He can’t be with her because he still loved Aerith. I like Tifa but I am not blind as you are.
after the remake, i root for jessie and cloud lmao. they more story to side characthers, but still tho cloud and tifa are meant to be. i still ship them
Nice. I'm finally going to picked this one more because of how they were interpreted as Yin/Yang. Darkness/Light (that one scene when both are unconscious lol.)
Well, Tifa really snapped it out on Cloud for constantly dragging himself ard like an a**hole when ppl are depending on him. If Tifa had decided not to be with him, i think Cloud wont be able to survive long. It really doesnt matter if Cloud was in love with her or Aerith, bcos for all the things she had and would do for him, she deserves to be with him if she could help it, not as if Cloud was such a great guy or anything (bcos he’s an a**hole like me), but bcos Tifa deserves to be with the person she loves and deserves Cloud in a way or another. It doesn’t matter if Cloud doesn’t reciprocate Tifa’s feelings for him, bcos he doesn’t deserve her anyway. He could end up with Aerith for all i care. Bcos, even if he managed to save the Planet 100 times over, he still will not deserve Tifa. Period.
First of all let me clear this out when cloud said aerith bring denzel to his bike tifa corrects him by saying no aerith didn't bring denzel to u she bring denzel to us and yeah further in the movie ffac aerith did say this kid is little too big to be adopted which refer to cloud
Aerith was another chapter of Cloud's life. Something that has already passed. Tifa IS his future. I mean all the hints are in these movie that they are basically married and has adopted kids lol
Tifa and Cloud is canon, dont worry some people just dont want to see the truth or they didnt understand story, but Tifa and Cloud together is true love story of this game and i feel even more of it from Remake + I think in the Remake will be also more Zerith moments :)
both of the ships are canon. literally. there is too many points for both sides. in the remake the player gets to choose who cloud should be with. though i am a clerith shipper, so i can try to explain why they are probably more cannon. in the remake, tifa asks cloud about his relations with her, and he tells her they saved each other, round and round it goes. but then she asks, "are you sure there's nothing else going on?" and he stays silent. Aerith asks the same thing to Cloud, wondering if tifa and him are together, and he flat out denies it. In aerith's resolution scene, she tells him not to fall in love with her. He doesn't say anything, and she cups his face with one hand, saying "even if you think you have. it's not real." he replies with "do I have a say in any of this?" hinting that he wants to decide what he feels for her, not her automatically ruling it off as nothing. It's cannon aerith loves him ; more than she loved zack. she said herself : ""Although called my first love, that doesn’t mean that we became particularly intimate. Yeah, I call this first love. Mother got angry at Zack when she saw me like that. That matter made him completely at fault. At first when I met Cloud, I believed he was similar to Zack. Little actions, the way he spoke… his kindness. But Cloud is Cloud. I, now undoubtedly, love Cloud much more than Zack. " even if she fell in love with him because of how much he resembled zack, it doesn't matter. she grew to love CLOUD not because of zack, but because of who cloud is. another example is in advent children; the scene above, where tifa says "dilly dally shilly shally!" cloud brushes it off. yes he cares, but not as much as when aerith says it. when aerith says "dilly dally shilly shally; maybe it's you who needs to do the forgiving." after she says that, it gives him almost like a little push to forgive himself. nothing tifa says will help him, but a few sentences from aerith helps him go on.
Well... I have just play the remake and I got to say my perspective changed about this Cloud/Tifa thing, in the remake the chapter with Aerith feels better and with far more Chemistry, also Cloud change from an inexpressive asshole to a more human character after the missions with Aerith...Besides the fate thing implying lots of things could change...
@@michaelwilson5114 I thought they were going to change that as well. Since Zack is going to come back, or whatever they're saying. If that one thing is taken away then there's nothing stopping Cloud. Cloud is just Cloud. He isn't open to Tifa because he remembers the past clearly. In the past the whole town blames him for Tifa's fall. Which then enables him to leave for SOLDIER.
They love eachother.Cloud loves Tifa since he was a little boy.U can't talk about Cloud wizout Tifa.All He wants for his Life is Tifa.That's the Official setting,
Yukime Hime Yes,they r official couple.U should buy and read official books.U never ever found anything about Clarith but Cloti.U don't read official books?ok u r not real FF7-fan.
+Allen Walker You really need to read case of Tifa and Nojima's thoughts on cloud and Tifa. Tifa and Cloud have a platonic bond and no amount of fan boying is going to change their platonic relationship let alone fanfics.
so are they dating or not? i didn t watch the whole movie but i think the love story between tifa and cloud is in game/book or anything was before this movie
15 years ago????? thank you, youtube. i'm sure you're not confused at all and thinks that this is a normal thing. i just watch every ff7 contents those exist ;)
Sakura CardCaptor I think u r just a aerith x clouds fan and if u r planning to start a debate over the issue with me be my guest bcuz ik every thing about aerith,cloud and tifa and I'll suggest u to re watch the case of tifa all three parts plus don't read fan made pages which contains nonsense about the beautiful and absolutely awesome game not to mention (zack)too
Y'know, since Remake will tie in all the spin offs, I wonder if Denzel will be there for them to adopt to tie in Advent Children and not just a random kid who showed up for the move to encourage Cloud.
i don't see how this scene, or this entire movie, added anything to the ff7 story at all. all it did was cast the same stumbling blocks in the character's development (but only cloud and tifa, not the others) - stumbling blocks that they had already overcome in ff7. cloud let go of his fears. he let go of his losses. he forgave himself for his weaknesses; for letting himself be manipulated by sephiroth, for letting aerith die; he overcame all of these and upheld zack's dying wishes and avenged aerith. and - he and tifa came to terms with their feelings for each other. and not to mention some other things that happened under the highwind... now cloud is running from himself again, afraid of himself again, pushing people away again, there is nothing new. a little tough love from tifa and now he's back and he saves the world again. what retched regurgitation. i don't care what anyone says; this movie will never be canon in my book. not only that, but other characters have actually regressed in development; reno and rude are shown as bumbling idiots, barrett is shown not to be so bright either, yuffie still hordes materia - for no good reason... sid, nanaki, vincent, and the traitor have zero development here. (although it is nice to have a little more screen time from vincent). and we now have three emo mini-sephiroths that came from god only knows where.... all of this flashy animation and cool fight scenes promise so much more than this movie can deliver. and don't even get me started on cloud and aerith. they are so over. i say again: this movie will never be canon.
i agree tbh, shit this makes it worse for cloud too, he does something worse than running from himself, he becomes a deadbeat dad, he runs away from people he took in, his adoptive kids, and leaves tifa alone to raise and provide for them. When you decide to become responsible for a life like that then its not about you and just you anymore, whether or not tifa an cloud are actually together we do know they took on the responsibility of raising these kids and he just up and leaves thats actually pretty horrible tbh
With the remake and everything I truly hope Cloud and Tifa will get married, adopt kids but also have a few of their own. Yes, I truly hope Cloud and Tifa will get married and make lots of babies.
Well, I just edited a comment because I saw a few small inaccuracies, and as a result, youtube thought it was now too long and deleted the entire comment including the 20 below it, thanks youtube, cool move. @Ishys de Arzhyel If you ever read this, thanks for the nice words, I wasn't able to read your entire comment, and you are apparently the last person to ever read mine, so I'm glad you at least enjoyed it XD
Reno is just kinda like a Jojo villain at this point, this guy has done unconscionable things, murdering millions with sector 7 and kidnapping people but is now the comic relief best buddy to Cloud. Hey bud looks like you ND the room we'll skedaddle. Is it weird he killed more people than Seph did in nibelheim?
I've started seeing it this way, too. I mean I feel like it doesn't necessarily matter whether Cloud and Tifa are outright romantic because their relationship is so much about unconditional love and having each other's backs no matter what. But with Aerith, it's like... Just put your finger over how flirty she gets, and her teasing demeanor towards him really does feel pretty reminiscent to that of a big sister.
I don't care, Cloud loves Tifa or not, but for me, Tifa is the best girl in FF. Cloud bego banget sih, kok gak bisa move on, hidup harus berlanjut, seharusnya Cloud dapat melihat gadis mana yang selama ini mendukung dan terus berada di sisinya, gadis itu adalah Tifa.. Cloud is an idiot who never realize about Tifa's feeling... (sorry if my grammar so bad ) Greetings from Surabaya Indonesia, Iam ship Cloud x Tiffa 4ever
I like how reno and rude was like "man we should gtfo here" when tifa angry lol
Lol
They’ve both been on the receiving end of her fists. They know to gtfo
@@Soki7000 lol yea
Rude definitely has a broken heart when he sees tifa with cloud haaa
Bro they were like “married couple arguing? Time to dip” 😂😂💀💀
In Japanese Tifa says "Zuruzuruzuruzuru" (ずるずるずるずるずる), which sounds like dragging a heavy weight with you. This means that Cloud is carrying heavy memories with him (deaths of Zack and Aerith), and is also symbolized by the Buster Sword which Cloud wielded before (and now acts as Zack's gravemark).
It is also referenced later when Cloud saves Tifa and Denzel from Bahamut, when he comments that he "feels light", like a great load has been taken off his shoulders.
Nice! such a shame so much gets lost in translation.
True. Most people watched this movie without really listening to what they are saying. Cloud essentially is not a shallow character. It’s all lost in translation because they don’t listen.
Japanese: "Here's a sound for dragging a weight around"
English: "DILLY DALLY SHILLY SHALLY"
It's dumb either way, but that's so funny, holy crap
@@dracocrusher I think Cloud said he lost the weight cause he stopped carrying something, all that "dilly dally" in the english translation.
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I wonder whose back here after FF VII Remake.
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wazzup
Trying to see pieces of every version of ff7 to get a good understanding of whether we’re in a new timeline in the beginning or not
I’m looking at the old compilation characterization to see how it holds up against the remake. Crisis Core is still pretty good but this didn’t age well at all lol
Me since ff7 is my childhood
I like how we see them here. Yes, they have a relationship, but it's presented as an actual relationship. Full of complications but held together by genuine care for one another. Maybe it's not "romantic", but so what?
What relationship? Both of them have platonic relationship and nothing more.
It can't really be romantic considering one person is depressed, blames themselves for everything, and can't move on. Oh, to top it all of they're dying and there's no cure. After everything that happened in Advent Children. If there is true potential for a romantic relationship to grow. Then it most likely should.
@@GeorgiaAndrea If you say so.
@@imnekooneko6373 You think that people can't be romantically involved while depressed? Makes it hard, sure but that doesn't mean they don't love each other. Cloud's been through a lot. He was there for Tifa when she most needed him and she knows that. She's loyal to a fault. She brought him back from hell once before.
@@GeorgiaAndrea someone's in denial, so cute to see
Tifas just saying "dude, you're afraid the kids are going to die like Aeris died. But I'm your girl now and im telling you to go save them. Stop haunting yourself with her."
Aerith!
@@hamza12ism lmao yeah I was an unintelligent lad when I made that comment 😂
Ryan Malloy You’re not wrong though. Aeris was her name in the original English version of the game.
buncha smartasses
😅
This scene is one of the quintessential platforms in the relationship between Cloud and Tifa. After all, Tifa has grown enough to express herself more clearly, though her improved communication of such feelings doesn't stem from Cloud, as he doesn't mirror this growth (by the time this conversation arises). Basically, Cloud gains far more strength from Tifa than the opposite in my humble opinion. After all, maintaining a bar in the middle of a dilapidated city, to obtain funds to take care of herself, Marlene and Denzel during a virtual BUBONIC PLAGUE crisis (let alone the emotional support for the traumatized children) is saying "single mom responsibilities" on steroids.
Anyway, Tifa confronts Cloud about his alienation of others that he perceives as a self-burden and is affecting his judgment, thus jeopardizing his family and friends-- THUS putting everyone at a greater risk than his fears tell him. It's a powerful message indeed, and it was the "straw" for Tifa quite clearly (her face when Cloud said, "...Go." LOL) Finally, she (and Aerith) told Cloud to LET IT GO. She's not blaming him, clearly no one is (hence letting people in because they're trying desperately to REACH him, thus the alienation etc.,) although she could very well do so, but there's simply no ROOM for blameworthiness given all the crazy stuff they've been through (I mean really, the Lifestream event Cloud? That isn't evidence enough??) Sorry, Cloud's self-esteem issues sometimes bother me. Like, there's a million sign-posts for the guy, and I understand you're depressed, but...some signs are OBVIOUS. Tifa keeps saying "family" dude-- women don't say they want to start a family just because it's fucking Tuesday!!
Anyway, at the same time, Tifa shows empathy to Cloud's disposition saying "she knows"; him being previously affected by not knowing who he was (thus the LIfestream event) so she KNOWS how he is and despite the absence of communication exchange for months on end, Tifa was astute enough to decipher precisely what was bothering him. Now, if that ain't a woman, I don't know what a woman is.
In my observation, this conversation sets the platform for Cloud and Tifa to be "real" with each other in moving forward (whether they intend to be married or something remains to be seen, given they are parental figures in the eyes of the orphaned Denzel) and gives Cloud the underlying motivations as to WHY he fights...thus he fights again :) Important conversation indeed. GREAT FREAKING JOB TIFA.
LOVE this comment! Completely agree!!!
Thanks so very much!!
Also Tifa has a ring. I found out they technically got married because they learned each other's feelings when they ventured the life stream! Don't believe me? Go on Google search and type in\ Under the Stars-Cloud and Tifa's relationship(as told by official statements).Type what in in the parenthesis too!
They should totally bang and have kids lol
+Stone Abdullah such a great observation! thanks for sharing :)
For many years, Tifa and Cloud who had favor with each other. Finally before the final battle with Sephiroth, they finally confirmed the feelings they wanted.
Source "FINAL FANTASY 25th MEMORIAL ULTIMANIA Vol.2" Square Enix 2012 p023
Cloud and Tifa had both thoughts forever
Everytime I see/hear Reno, I'm like "OH SHIT IT'S AXEL!!!"
They're SQEX Doppelgangers.. lol
They'd make a hell of a dynamic duo, so maybe another idea for KH3.
I mean, *wouldn't it just be hilarious to see the two completely caught off guard? Like two long lost twin brothers from the same franchise?*
Think about all the potential... the sweet, oozing potential for KH3.
I mean, technically Axel was derived from Reno, so I guess that makes sense.
The charm.. the wittiness, mischievous personality, hot-headed edginess..
The burnt-red hair, trademark under-eye tattoos
Both have an equal amount of flair, so they both get my vote.
I knew he sounded familiar!
@@thesilentsiren this didn't age well
Too bad I don't know shit about Kingdom Hearts. Maybe I would have liked the voice.
I thought the most important part was when they banged underneath the highwind
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I dont get it lol
@@niljansoria6825 I think it was a deleted scene from the OG where its hinted they got it on in the chocobo pen on the Highwind.
@@niljansoria6825 Yeah instead they had a subtle scene with Tifa saying "words aren't the only thing that tells what another is feeling" and the screen goes dark.
@@thegreatachiever4651 And then next time you see them they're cuddling....very very subtle. Not at all obvious what happened lmao.
To all the CloudxTifa haters out there...
From the official novella:
Cloud was silent for a long time before he spoke again. "Because I have you."
[Tifa]"You've always had me."
"I mean from tomorow on." Cloud answered with another smile.
Plus, there's no way Cloud could've fallen in love with Aerith in Disc 1. Yes they had a special bond but love? He didn't even know *himself*. Cloud had so many self identity and esteem issues... he thought he was his dead ex best friend! Aerith never got to know the "real" Cloud either and she died too early for them to develop anything stronger. Tifa on the other hand has been by Cloud's side for years now. Cloud has been able to build an actual relationship with Tifa more than he has with Aerith. It really boggles my mind how the more rude and obsessive CloudxAerith fans are so willfully ignorant... Aerith, in all her kindness, even wanted Cloud to move on! So why can't you guys move on too?
I always thought that Tifa and Cloud share a strong bond even in a romantic way, because Aerith is dead so Cloud and Aerith obviously could not make any sense.
Cloud and Aerith had a thing before, but I believe that with Tifa he had something stronger.
Just look around everytime that Tifa and Cloud appear togheter, Cloud always try to protect Tifa.
In Kingdom Hearts, Tifa is Cloud light and she lives inside his heart.
In dissidia, Cloud try to protect Tifa by everything that may hurt her.
In AC Tifa is the pillar to not let Cloud fall into completely darkness.
People claim that Cloud and Aerith is an official couple, but Tifa and Cloud was already a thing since they are childrens.
So yeah, Tifa and Cloud are official more than Aerith and Cloud.
Moon Door 👏 👏
Moon Door I tilt my hat for you.👏👏👏👌👌👌👍👍👍
Shanala Shernette Preach girl! Though Zack is still Cloud's best friend, he's just chilling in the lifestream with his girlfriend Aerith. XD
Also from the official novella: Advent Children/Complete and Case of Tifa both portray Cloud as living in the Seventh Heaven along with Tifa, Marlene, and Denzel. The 10th Anniversary Ultimania, published by Square Enix, also made several references to Cloud, Tifa, Marlene, and Denzel as a “family of four”. This information is often used in love triangle debates by CloudxTifa supporters to claim that Cloud and Tifa are now involved in a romantic relationship, since they are living in the same house and acting as parents to two children. However, there’s plenty of evidence to show that Cloud and Tifa’s relationship is nothing but platonic.
In the first place, Tifa herself states in Case of Tifa that this “family” consists of friends working together and encouraging one another. Look at the following passage from Case of Tifa:
Friends were a necessity to me so that I could live on without being suppressed by the sins in my consciousness. Even if they were fellow companions that had the same wounds. Even if they were fellow companions who were burdened with the same sins. We couldn’t live without comforting each other and encouraging each other.
Maybe you could call that family. We just had to keep the family together and do our best. Tifa thought she could get over anything while being with friends that she could call her family. ~Tifa; Case of Tifa
And: "Episode Tifa" [Case of Tifa] - first off, there's the premise that things won't go well between Tifa and Cloud, and that even without Geostigma or Sephiroth this might be the same. I don't really intend to go about my views on love or marriage or family (laughs). After ACC, I guess Denzel and Marlene could help them work it out. Maybe things would have gone well with Aerith, but I think there is a great burden from Aerith. Oh, I just remembered. I wanted to write Cloud as a person, seen through Tifa's eyes. But he really isn't the type to open up (laughs). ~Nojima interview about On the Way to a Smile at the Square-Enix website
Nojima says that the story is based on the premise that things won't go well between Cloud and Tifa, and hints that they may not be able to work things out after AC/C. Case of Tifa actually shows a great deal of incompatibility between Cloud and Tifa, largely due to mis-communication and misunderstandings. If this were intended as a love story, one would expect things to go well between them. Instead, we see Cloud descend deeper and deeper into a state of depression. The story shows us that many things are still bothering Cloud, including the death of Aerith, and that Tifa is not enough for Cloud to overcome his troubles.
CloudxTifa supporters often claim that Nojima's statement implies that Cloud and Tifa are in love when he says, I don't really intend to go about my views on love or marriage or family." In fact, that's pure assumption when Nojima never gives his views. He could just as easily mean that his views on love and marriage and family wouldn't support the idea of a romantic relationship between Cloud and Tifa.
CloudxTifa supporters apparently draw that assumption because they think Nojima's saying that he doesn't intend to go on about his views on love and marriage and family between Cloud and Tifa. In fact, Nojima's saying that he doesn't intend to go on about his views on the concept of love and marriage and family. He never says how that applies to Cloud and Tifa's relationship.
As in the first paragraph, this passage also indicates that something is seriously wrong in Tifa’s life, since she's feeling uneasy and lonely, worrying, and looking to Marlene for support. Again, this is an odd way for the story to start if it was intended to portray a love relationship between Cloud and Tifa. The story continues:
Tifa stopped washing and followed Marlene. Her parents already died and she was brought up by her father’s closest friend, Barret. Ever since Tifa met Barret and got along with him, she found out about half of Marlene’s life. That was why she naturally ended up being the one taking care of Marlene when Barret decided he would go on a journey to settle his past.
It becomes very obvious later in the story that Cloud and Tifa's relationship starts to deteriorate quickly once Barret leaves, almost like Barret was serving as a buffer zone between them. We learn shortly after this that Cloud has actually left the Seventh Heaven without telling anyone where he is going.
In the children’s room were two beds lined up to one another. There, Denzel was lying sound asleep. The Geostigma scar on the eight-year-old’s forehead looked painful. Denzel was suffering, as the illness couldn’t be healed and his condition wasn’t improving. Tifa wiped away the pus from the mark on his forehead; Denzel grimaced a little but continued to sleep. Marlene, who watched over Denzel, went to her own bed afterwards and called out Tifa’s name.
“We’re here with you but you’re still lonely, aren’t you?”
“…I’m sorry,” Tifa answered honestly.
“It’s ok. We’re the same.”
“I see.”
“I wonder where Cloud is.”
Tifa didn’t know and put her hand on her neck. Cloud was in Midgar somewhere. She imagined how the worst could have happened as he was caught in an accident where he went to work or he was being attacked by some monster.
But she soon found out that he was still out there on jobs. There were people who had seen him. He just left the house, that’s all. Tifa was trying to convince the children that there were no problems, but she lost her composure and the children soon realized something was wrong.
“Why did he leave?”
I didn’t know. Maybe all kinds of problems had cropped up. But Tifa remembered Cloud’s last smile. It had the kindness that made her think everything was fine. I wonder if I was mistaken.
It's made clear in this passage that Tifa has no idea why Cloud left. She says that Cloud smiled at the end of their last conversation, but it's never made clear whether Cloud's smile means that he agreed with Tifa, or whether it was simply a convenient and gracious way for him to end the conversation.
The introduction to the story let us know that Tifa was feeling uneasy and lonely. Now we learn that Cloud has left the Seventh Heaven without giving Tifa any kind of explanation. Would Cloud treat Tifa so badly if he truly loved her? Furthermore, Tifa mentions that "all kinds of problems" had occurred between them.
To quote Nojima's statement again, he talks quite openly about problems between Cloud and Tifa in an interview about On The Way To A Smile on the Square Enix Website:
"Episode Tifa" [Case of Tifa] - first off, there's the premise that things won't go well between Tifa and Cloud, and that even without Geostigma or Sephiroth this might be the same. I don't really intend to go about my views on love or marriage or family (laughs). After ACC, I guess Denzel and Marlene could help them work it out. Maybe things would have gone well with Aerith, but I think there is a great burden from Aerith. Oh, I just remembered. I wanted to write Cloud as a person, seen through Tifa's eyes. But he really isn't the type to open up (laughs). ~Nojima interview about On the Way to a Smile at the Square-Enix website
Notice that Nojima frankly says that things most likely wouldn't go well between Cloud and Tifa even without Geostigma or Sephiroth, and that their problems may very well continue after AC/ACC. As a result, we know that the problems between them are due to issues of compatibility rather than outside factors. Nojima also states that things would have gone well with Aerith, by which he most likely means that such problems wouldn't have occurred in a relationship between Cloud and Aerith. He also says that there's a great burden from Aerith, which is probably referring to Tifa's continuing jealousy of Aerith as mentioned in Tifa's character profile in the 10th Anniversary Ultimania:
A close friend as well as rival?
The complicated emotions she feels towards Aerith.
Both of them share feelings for Cloud - Tifa was close to Aerith, who can also be called a love rival. With that point in mind, they were also good friends. Nevertheless, it is not hard to imagine that she carries complex feelings as a woman toward Aerith, who had built up a special bond with Cloud that was different from Tifa’s.
Tifa’s complicated feelings continue even in AC, two years after Aerith had departed the world. This was due to the fact that Cloud, succumbing to the notion that Aerith’s death was his fault and condemning himself, construed that Denzel was “the child which Aerith brought here” and took care of him. In addition, Cloud had also gone away to the church that Aerith had been in. The thing which she is unable to hide in her irritation towards Cloud is the fact that he isn’t merely dragging the past around, but because that reason might perhaps be related to Aerith.
~Tifa's character profile, 10th Anniversary Ultimania, pg. 42-47
Since Tifa's complicated feelings for Aerith "continue even in AC, two years after Aerith had departed the world", it's easy to see how this would be a burden on Cloud and Tifa's relationship, especially if Cloud continues to love Aerith. CloudxTifa supporters claim that Cloud's only remaining feeling for Aerith is guilt for being unable to protect her, yet it's specifically stated in the Ultimania that Aerith is a "love rival" to Tifa, and that Tifa carries complex feelings as a woman toward Aerith. Since both statements are made in the present tense, this would indicate that Tifa continues to see Aerith as a love rival despite her death.
"which is it, a memory or us?" Ughh Tifa has such a way with words to use for Cloud
These two... they really are something special.
They really need each other.
“I think she wants you to move on, man. Got it memorized?”
anon Underrated LOL
So I love reading fanfics with Cloud and various partners; but...at the end of the day, as one who beat All the games including Dirge of Cerberus.. there is something about the Canon relationship between Cloud and Tifa that is so complex, so simple, yet humanly, openly flawed that too me it's just a sincerely perfectly done well developed, over a long time....love story. :-)
I feel bad for anyone that thinks a relationship like this is the best the world has to offer.
This looks like platonic friendship. It doesn’t even come off as romantic…..it’s depressing……
As someone that’s actually been IN LOVE I can tell you the closest thing to that is Cloud and Aerith.
I’ve been with my wife for 11 years (I’m 30) and I can count on one hand how many times we’ve fought. We’ve done everything together, we’ve both built a life that we both contributed to on our own that we’re proud of, and we both still get butterflies.
I feel so bad for people that have never experienced being in love before.
Because believe me…..there’s a difference.
@@fearlesscheshirecat1411cloud and tifa are in love tho and just bc you experienced love differently from them doesn’t make their love any less😭 cloud is the problem most of the time bc of his low self-esteem. before the movie he was quite sweet with tifa, flirty and blushing and stuff. the movie shows though that once he contracted geostigma, his survivors guilt and trauma came back up bc there were people dying. people he couldn’t save. he was dealing with all this by myself and closing everyone out. this conversation with tifa is what made him realize what’s important now. it’s what helped him move forward. tifa is also the only person to truly know and love the real cloud. she never left his side and stuck with him to the end. that is love
@@fair.yspirit8889 I’ve had this conversation dozens of times, and that’s not true at all.
There’s even dev and writer quotes that talks about how Aerith is the first person that sees Cloud for who he is, and the one that “melts his icy heart”. All the evidence is there….
Tifa is the one that alienates Cloud as a kid, and never accepted him for who he is. Nor never stuck up for him.
Even after she used Cloud to do the first bombing mission because she didn’t want to. She couldn’t even stick up for him when they all celebrated at the bar, and Barret says “this here is a private affair”. Despite the fact that Cloud is the one that did the mission. So once again, after Tifa got what she wanted, Cloud was pushed to the wayside again….
I could go on and on and on, but I already know it’s not going to do any good. I’ve given dev and writer quotes, quotes from the games, and quotes and comments from all of the Ultimanias, and Cloud and Tifa admirers still wouldn’t listen.
People are going to believe what they want to believe. I personally think they have a very damaged and unnatural relationship. But some people resonate with that because they have the same real life experiences.
As somebody that’s experienced love at first sight, and experienced falling in love with somebody that I’ve had an insane amount of chemistry with….I resonate more with Aerith.
@@fair.yspirit8889 Saying that she never left his side, and that she was always there for him isn’t even close to true lmfao….
She has ALWAYS alienated Cloud and wanted him to be somebody he’s not.
Read Traces of Two Pasts, and even in the original game, Tifa herself says they weren’t ever that close. In the Nibelheim Rebirth demo she says it too, and then Cloud got mad and said “There was a good reason for that”.
I just genuinely don’t get how so many people could misinterpret and misconstrue the story the way they have….
@@fearlesscheshirecat1411 i’m not going to argue bc everything you’re saying is not true. i’ve read TOTP and OTWTS as well as cloud’s newest novel 2,000 gil. they both prove how much they love each other and went above and beyond for the other. she did not alienate him and it wasn’t on purpose. cloud did that himself. even in the demo barret says that they probably weren’t close because of cloud and he said nothing bc it’s true. tifa tried to invite him but he would always cause problems so she thought it was better if he stayed away. he admits this and regrets it too. in TOTP tifa says/thinks this. “it was that night that also made her see Cloud, whom she adored, as an ordinary boy. Tifa fell in love with Cloud. It was the kind of "love" where she wanted to be with him. That was how she felt.” never does jt say she wants him to be somebody he’s not. he was the one who chose to be somebody else. he went to be a soldier bc he wanted to be stronger to protect the people he loved. tifa loved and loves him even if he didn’t become SOLDIER. when rebirth is released you will see how important and loving tifa and cloud’s relationship is. i mean just look them up on twt and you can feel the tension and love between them with just screenshots
you know, it's so fun to see the war between Cloti fans and Clerith fans 😂
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I think both ships are good... But I prefer [and I know everyone is going to kill me for it] Sephiroth X Cloud. I just love deep hate relationship and Yaoi.
@@ThisJasch hahahahah XD
@Priskila Rossy Ratnasari Don't know how much more Canon they can make it, Aerith is dead and Cloud is with Tifa... That's like having a written confession, a video of the crime being committed, motive, witnesses, and DNA evidence all in one.
@@ThisJasch i prefer cloud x barret
Man this must be really hard for Rude, cause he does have a crush on Tifa XD
@Kosename yeah its stated in the original ff7 in a conversation between Rude and Reno
@@AmethystDragoon Yeah, but he doesn't have a chance. :D
channel under construction It’s more in depth than that actually, if you fight rude with Tifa in your party he will not target her.
Too bad his opponent is a God damn handsome 1st class solider
He's always sulking in the corner going "Ahhh man"
Best video game love story for me
One time me and my little sister were watching this movie and my other sister came home during this scene and later I heard her in the kitchen saying "dilly dally sugar daddy" ...wat? LOL
Natalie Reyes XD
God.How is she now?😂
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This should be the top comment
Shippers going to other ship's videos and getting into arguments in the comments /trying/ to prove everyone wrong is one of the ugliest internet behaviours and literally something NO ONE wants to see -_-
coming here after months and this comment is still relevant OTL why can't we enjoy good things
I think the "Cleriths" (or whatever the hell they call themselves) are more vocal about their ship because it isn't canon, so they feel the need to post their opinions and twisted "facts" everywhere to make it seem as if it is.
I think more than it not being canon (cause neither ship was 'officially' proclaimed canon since SE is moneyhungry and a coward and won't anger either side, despite how obvious one ship is lol), it's about their ship having no future. This is why instead of usual shipping wars of who will end with who, all they (those who can't stay in their lane reading 'what if' fanfics) can do is try to invalidate and destroy Cloti - a ship with obvious future. And since story and reason is against them, they can only cling to semantics, and what the word family /truly/ means type of bs, and a throwaway word so and so said in one promotional interview that is not backed up by the game lmao so they end up looking quite sad and pathetic and are notorious in whole FF fanbase smh. It's gotten so bad, if you search any Cloud and Tifa scene the first results will be smth like: cloudandaerith4ever(dotcom)why_this_C&T_scene_is_NOT_romantic lmfao Truly sad!
Meanwhile even a 5 year old could tell you based on full story which couple is a likely endgame, so Cloti fans are more calm, have nothing to prove. Even neutrals and non-shippers agree which side makes more sense in the end.
They forget that the main Clerith shtick is tragedy. And this tragedy is not only Aerith dying, but it's the fact that the player was teased with the POSSIBILITY of a couple - but never got the chance to make it happen! Their whole story is 'what could have been.. but will never be', iirc the fandom even has a slogan like that lmao. It's only ever about the possibility: 'I want to meet the real you [IN THE FUTURE]', predictions, see you laters and so on. You add to that the later revealed Zack factor and it gets even worse cause now you don't know how much was influenced by him - AND YOU'LL NEVER GET THE CHANCE TO KNOW! THAT is the real tragedy! But ofc all this is if you choose to romance Aerith, cause I got zero Clerith content while playing the game, meanwhile you can't escape some Cloti scenes (Lifestream, both Highwinds...) either way hoho.
Let's also not forget that the whole Aerith/Clerith story was purposely designed to invoke as much emotion as possible. She's the first girl you see, all pink, flowery, loves life, comes on to you, nice, smiley - and gets cruelly killed. Everything calculated. It's to make you get as attached as possible to break your heart. Which is why her story brings such strong emotions out in people even 20 years later, why they're so ANGRY and OVERZEALOUS in their stance: 'if she has such unfair fate, if she's not happy - no one else can be!' In Japan she's like the most beloved character, because of her fans have anti-Tifa movements, making petitions demanding to lessen her role in remake (if things change, you'll know who SE has listened to lol). That's why they ruined Advent Children by making Cloud 'emo', just to bring her back somehow. That's why from time to time SE will throw them a bone in side games, where they bring the not-real Cloud (who's not like actual Cloud at all) and have him make allusions to some dead girl and feelings - to make that fanbase happy. But it has nothing to do with actual FF7 story.
@Heaven's Cloud This is so painfully 100% true. I would love to have a long sit down conversation with a Clerith shipper and just ruin them with nothing but facts haha
@LexyKentucky A Don't try. They will just stick their fingers in their ears and say "la la la la" and continue to believe their delusions like saying that Cloud has sex with Aerith's ghost and she is going to get pregnant. (Yes they really think that! I have seen them post it more than once!)
Cloud reunited with Tifa who he loves for a long time,he was ashamed of himself who could not become a soldier, he mixed with the story he heard from his best friend Zack and the fact, and he made his own fantasy and started playing.
Source "FINAL FANTASY VII ULTIMANIA OMEGA" SQUARE ENIX 2005 p13 Cloud Strife Behavior Observation Record
The promise with a childhood friend
Before leaving Nibelheim, Cloud said that "I'll be a SOLDIER" to a village girl, Tifa, whom he dimly fell in love with, and made a promise to protect her. Such a pompous declaration turns out to be false - considering this, Cloud conceals his identity and coldly sweats under his helmet when he confronts his hometown. (Crisis Core, Ultimania) The word dim means faint. Therefore Cloud's dim crush faded away over time. During the course of the events after the Lifestream, it is clear Cloud and Tifa become friends, after being strangers for so long getting to know each other along the way of their journey. In Advent Children, Tifa discovers new feelings, she feels for Cloud. Feelings that of a mother would feel towards a son, whom she describes Cloud as a big kid himself to take care of, along with Marlene and Denzel, and the rest of her family of friends. "Tifa was a very difficult character to create. Like Aerith, she has a maternal side to her, but in a different
sense. Not only was she looking after Marlene and Denzel, but she also felt a certain maternal bond to Cloud,
who is a 'big kid' himself in some respects. Yet despite this, she continues working as the manager of Seventh
Heaven without a complaint." (Nomura, Reunion Files, Tifa's profile)
So, Nomura states that both Tifa and Aerith have maternal sides to them, but that Tifa's maternal side is
different. He then applies Tifa's maternal side directly to Cloud and states right there that Tifa has a maternal
bond with Cloud. Aerith's maternal side was described as being different than that of Tifa's, whose maternal side
relates to Marlene, Denzel, and Cloud. So, how exactly is Aerith like a mother to Cloud when it has already been
confirmed that Tifa is the one who is like a mother to Cloud and that Aerith's maternal side isn't like Tifa's?
Honestly, Cloud acts like a rebellious teenager around Tifa all throughout Case of Tifa and AC/ACC, anyways. He
runs off on his motorcycle, stays gone all the time, clams up and doesn't speaking with Tifa, hides things from
her, etc... Tifa, on the other hand, acts like a concerned parent, worrying about Cloud and scolding him on several
occasions. A few examples of this:
(During a conversation with Tifa) ... Cloud made a familiar face, like a child who knew a scolding was
inevitable... (Case of Tifa)
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Cloud gazed at Tifa with the expression of a child whose worst secret had just been let out of the bag... (Case
of Tifa)
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...He's like a child, Tifa thought. While it made her sad that Cloud could see another world she knew nothing
about, the idea his world was expanding at all was a welcome one. Yes... Maybe this is kind of what a mother
feels like. Once she saw Cloud off, Tifa was alone with the new emotions growing inside her and was happy.
(Case of Tifa)
And:
“The place where he awakens. That is Cloud’s Promised Land……When he awakes, there was his friends. There were the children, freed from their fatal illness. Tifa and Marlene, and Denzel asking for Cloud to heal his Geostigma- his family were waiting. Engulfed in celebration, he realises where he is meant to live. He realises that he was able to forgive himself. And when he turns around-- "she” is starting to leave. Together with the friend who had given Cloud his life. Cloud no longer has to suffer in loneliness… And so they too go back to where they belong. Back to the current of life flowing around the planet" ~Final Fantasy VII 10th Anniversary Ultimania, Square Enix
--Cloud awakes in Aerith’s Church where he shares a spiritual connection with her. Where Cloud awakes is his Promised Land - his supreme happiness. This means Cloud’s supreme place of happiness is with Aerith in her Church. Tifa is lumped in as one of Cloud’s friends in this passage.
Learn to do proper research, then maybe you might understand the characters feelings themselves. Just maybe. As for the ending of Advent Children, and dirge of cerberus, Tifa is still considered to be one of Cloud's friends. While Aerith and Cloud are reunited in their promise land. Since Cloud can see, hear, and touch Aerith as if she were alive, and Aerith can do the same. Since death isn't an issue or a barrier between them much like Yuna and Tidus (despite Tidus being a dream still made up of pyreflies as confirmed in the ending novellas of FFX) The whole bullshit lie that "Aerith can't be with Cloud, because she's dead." Is forever null and void thanks to Nomura. It is his company, his rules, and no anti fans can twist his arm, and say Aerith or Tidus can't be with their lovers.
@@sakuracardcaptor4709 what? you provided no proof but your own delusion. icant find a single word or passage claiming cloud loves aerith, all of it pointed to Cloud felt guilty to both aerith and zack
@@minus21334 I think Tifa and Cloud are married or at least a couple also he doesn't love Aerith, he only feel bad cause he think he could save her and he don't do it, just like with Zack and Cloud doesn't want to fuck with Zack.
I don't know why people think that Aerith is Cloud's true love... Jesus she don't even know the real Cloud Strife she only knew the SOLDIER 1st Class Cloud
Squall Leonhart I also do think they’re married. Cloud’s earrings and Tifa’s ring look like they have the same symbol. Also, highwind tifa and cloud 😏
Sakura CardCaptor
Don’t know if you’ll see this but I guess here’s an opinion that I made based upon what I saw from when I played the ff7 series and the ffx series.
You can’t compare Yuna X Tidus and the ff7 fan-made triangle.
Yuna x Tidus has a very established relationship between them to the point that even Yuna dreams about Tidus in X-2. Aside from that, you can also see Tidus ‘romantically’ kissing Yuna. That’s it bye bye
I love Tifa ❤️ She is amazing ❤️
This is life goals.
FR, I want to have a deep conversation about actual problems with bae
despite not suffering from survivor's guilt, I really relate to cloud in this movie.
I have a tendency to push people away from myself, feeling that I don't deserve their care or love, and oftentimes I end up completely missing the signs that people even *want* to be close to me.
I guess it feels like I'm dragging a heavy weight of my own, and that somehow I need to overcome it.
That makes two of us, I feel and think the same way sometimes.
I tend to forget I have people in my life(friends and family)who do genuinely care about me, especially back when I was in my early years of high school.
Honestly, it's a big reason why Cloud is so disliked in Advent Children. People callously call him "Emo" and "depressed" without understanding why he's like that. They don't take the timeline into account. They also kinda just conveniently forget that Cloud is DYING here, legit DYING and that's making EVERYTHING worse for him.
By all rights, it MAKES SENSE that Cloud is like this. He is responsible for giving the black materia to Sephiroth which unintentionally lead to Aerith's death. He was ostracized as a kid by his town and blamed for Tifa falling off Mt. Nibel AS A SMALL CHILD. The adults, without knowing it was Tifa's idea to go on the mountain, blamed Cloud and so did all of Tifa's friends because of the coma she went into.
Is it any fucking wonder the guy feels useless? Nobody would hang out with him as a kid and so he gained a superiority complex to mask how little he thought of himself. Goes off to be a SOLDIER, fails to succeed there despite his best efforts.
He's assigned with Sephiroth and Zach to go to Nibelheim and is forced to watch as his childhood idol, Sephiroth the war hero, burns down his hometown, kills his mom, severely harms both Tifa and Zach, and is then experimented on for an untold amount of time.
Gets saved by Zach as a near comatose corpse, watches Zach die in front of his eyes and then drags himself and the buster sword all the fucking way on foot to Midgar.
Avalanche and the blowing up of the reactor happens, he's helpless much like Tifa as the Sector 7 plate crushes the town he was JUST STARTING TO GET AQUAINTED WITH.
Is toyed with by Sephiroth to the point that he thinks he never existed in the first place, made to think he's a puppet with no real emotions. Forced to do what Sephiroth wants, gives him the black materia, and ultimately even though he saved the world, Cloud most likely internalized that victory as him just "cleaning up his mistakes". He almost doesn't even go to the north crater because he thinks he'll get controlled again.
Cloud is given no time to grieve during any of this, and had no time to come to terms with his psychological scarring that came with clearing up his memories and remembering who he is.
He then just had to go and kill Sephiroth a second time, which again, he looked up to as a kid. Cloud literally had no time to process ANY of this due to the Mako poisoning and only RECENTLY found himself but everybody expects him to just be "over it." It's so disrespectful to Cloud's journey of self acceptance
Tifa could be a therapist when I’m dealing through with depression like cloud
The remake still has some loose ends to tie..
Yep. They did it
How to get depressed: reading about a discussion with whom cloud is in a relationship. One side twisting and ignoring the truth, so their truth is valid. Doings this for 1-2 hours, then realizing, you waste your time.
What I'm doing with my life -_-
Tifa: So you’re like emo right? You’re emo right? I’m like asking you because you wear all black, dont you wear all black because ur like depressed?
PLEASEJXKKSKC
In that case she is emo too cause she wear all black too
WHY ARENT THEY MARRIED
Because Square is a company made up of fickle bastards who laugh at our torment, around this, "Triangle."
@Aaron9 they kinda are tho 🤨
@Aaron9 yeah they together
Cus SE needs a couple more billions dollars to unlock Nomura chasity belt to make the perfect ff7 wedding
Because being unmarried is more money making *facepalm*
tifa and cloud couple canon and this scene makes this very clear, even more if it weren't for the tifa saves the cloud from the wheelchair there, he wouldn't be there, and another when he says that when everything is over they will build a family
Don't worry guys, Cloud is just maintaining his social distancing.😂
sounds like arguments between married couple about saving their kids..
Which is it, a memory or us?
It always hit me so hard that after all these years Aerith is so deeply engraved to Cloud's heart, he will always pick her memory of her every single time and will never stop looking for her. 😭
AC was really the bad ending/outcome for all the characters.
He wanted closure and he didn't want aerith's death to be in vain.
Tifa's waiting for *any* shade of grey..
Hahahaha! 😆💯👏
Really you didn't just say that
Tifa is an amazing and supportive friend. You can tell she wants more, but I think at this point Cloud cannot give her what she wants especially when he’s holding onto the past. He feels guilty over Aerith’s death. Whether you are a Clerith fan or Cloti fan this is a fact.
I will always cherish Clerith but I also acknowledge that Cloud is young at this point and eventually he’ll be able to offer more in time when he does the healing and loves himself. Whether it be moving on with Tifa or someone else I do believe that because Aerith would have wanted him to be happy and you see that it in this scene.
I have to agree with Tifa when she told Cloud to stop running. Cloud may have failed to save Aerith from Sephiroth, but that doesn't mean he has to tear down those around him. Even Aerith (in spirit) asked him isn't it time he did the forgiving
I think the Geostigma greatly exacerbates his depression and anxiety.
@@The_Gallowglass THANK YOU!!! CLOUD IS DYING HERE, MAKING EVERYTHING SO MUCH WORSE.
Preach it
Maybe I was just used to her voice from AC because I’ve always watched this growing up but imho, I really prefer Tifa’s voice from the Advent Children. I’m still astounded by how she sound so mature in the FF7Remake. Nevertheless, the Tifa’s voice in remake is still good and her seiyuu is badass.
I think Final Fantasy VII (Talking about the game itself) has a lot of potential to be a movie. It would make a great mix of epic, comedy and drama without losing track of tone. It would also make a great narrative structure and would focus more on character growth as opposed to just size and scale.
Babe, if they would make it in to an anime i dont even came if its as long and dragged as one piece, I'd watch tht all tht shit
This movie is so beautiful and touching..
I'm the guy who never played any of FF games but reading you guys comments and debating on their relationship makes me want to try this game 🎮🎮🎮
Play the remake and if you like it enough play the original, they are both on PS4 btw
ew ew @ antis in the comments! Ain't nobody here cares about having that argument with you, and neither anyone here agrees with you. Go talk to someone with similar mindset and don't be toxic.
I agree, shippers need to stay and defend their turf. NOT INVADE and FLAME EACH others' turf.
Wait, is Tifa wearing a ring?
Yeah and Barrett is too.
Yeah she is, but Barret isn't wearing the same ring as her cloud and denzel.
Hey, where did you find out abot it being a gift from Cloud? I'd like to know more please!
I think its in 'On the Way to a Smile'
@@sakuracardcaptor4709 barret wearing a ring yeah u r right not just one three on em and non of em is fenrir and u can c cloud wearing any ring other than on his ear y bcuz he is wearing gloves
With the timeline rewritten, I hope they either retell Advent Children in game form or do some retconning where Cloud and Tifa are actually married with Denzel being their adopted child.
Cloud and Tifa actually married would be a dream come true. Hhahahah I wish they would stop playing with our feelings and just end up already. XDDD
@@whimsicalykn They are 100% together :)
They should make one too,, not just adopting
I always seen this pair Canon even in Remake Tifa is a gem
Dude if Denzel showed up in the remake I would totally lose my shit.
Cloud always listened to Tifa, only her opinion is the most important for him ❤️
You’re joking right….?
She’s literally badgering him to get over Aerith, and is trying to force him to move on with her lmfao
@@fearlesscheshirecat1411 Tifa isn't telling Cloud to forget Aerith. Where did you get that idea? The point is to move forward and not let the guilt kill him inside. The whole point of the movie and it's trying to convey is to push forward no matter how tough life comes and hit u in the face. Tifa represents that "keep trying" same goes for Denzel. Some of you Aerith fans have to be the dumbest ppl in this fandom. Getting tired of people painting and twisting Tifa's char in a bad light, when you all would do the same when a loved one is constantly beating themselves down and giving up in life.
@@ramen4laifu33 Nobody’s twisting Tifa into a bad light at all. You want to talk about some of the most delusional and twisted fandoms, Cloti’s take the cake. It has nothing to do with ships for me. I’ve never even played the original game, but I’ve played Remake literally 12 times, and Ray Charles could see Cloud and Aerith are the only ones that come off in any romantic way whatsoever. Cloud and Tifa come off like a weird brother/sister type of relationship.
All I said was she’s basically telling Cloud to get the f over Aerith and move on.
If anybody was a fan of Cloud or Tifa they would never want them to be together. Advent Children is clear evidence that they’re miserable together, and that Cloud clearly has feelings for Aerith and can’t get over it.
Cloti’s chalk it up to just “guilt”. It’s not just guilt, clearly he loved her and had feelings for her. I’ve never even played the original game, and even I know they allude to Cloud and Aerith having feelings for each other multiple times.
Max Dood is a die hard Cloti shipper and even he admits that Aerith is the one that breaks Cloud out of his shell and that Aerith is the one that brings romantic feelings out of Cloud.
I don’t care if Cloud and Tifa end up together at all. I love Tifa both as a character and a combatant. But after playing Remake without any preconceived notions or expectations and Cloti’s sit there pretending like it’s “obviously Cloud and Tifa” are completely full of sh*t lmfao
In Remake Cloud and Aerith show more affection than anybody. There’s so much evidence throughout the game. If anybody says otherwise they’re clearly blinded by their own expectations and nostalgia.
If Cloud and Tifa end up together and can be happy…..great!!! More power to them, but if they’re just going to be miserable because he clearly loves Aerith still…..then why would anybody want that….?
If you ask me I hope more of the story changes in Rebirth. I’d love to see Cloud and Aerith have a shot. Cloti fans have had their way for 25 years now, and it’s left them both miserable.
@@fearlesscheshirecat1411 you lost me at never playing the original. One who didn't play the og should sit down. Aerith and cloud relationship in the remake was aerith persuing and cloud being a literal douche to her. You like that cringe type of relation ship that's on you. Advent children is cloud over coming his guilt. It isn't just aerith he has guilt for but also Zack fair.
@@ramen4laifu33 Cloud has been a douche to everybody, but Aerith least of all. As a matter of fact Aerith is the only person from the entire game to get Cloud to laugh.
And me not playing the original makes me the perfect candidate to form an opinion on this…..
Because I haven’t been carrying around a preconceived notion or bias for the last 25 years of what I THINK to be true. I was able to play Remake with no expectations and look at things for how they are.
And like I said, that’s how Cloti’s always write off AC….guilt. Nothing else lol
The Warrior of The Light.⚜🇲🇾⚜🔥🇨🇳🔥📚♟📚⭐🧏♀️⭐🧝♀️
Those who don't understand Cloud , have no feelings in their hearts.
True!
For this scene and all Cloud trauma i absolutely love this film
Some people don’t like the remake voices compared to this, but I liked them; especially rude’s new voice. Crispin Freeman did a fantastic job, but rudes new va did marvelous. I do wish quinton Flynn was still Reno though. New va for him isn’t the best but it’s not that bad. All others were great too
Cloud is so broken. Even Aerith had to spiritually tell him about moving on
To Yukime Hime,
Give it up. Are you seriously leaving a comment on every pro CloTi post to try and disprove them? First off, are you delusional? Cloud and Tifa are absolutely a canon thing. To say otherwise is just plain ignorant. I could sit here and leave a long essay about why this is the case, but I can already tell that you are a person who does not care about any true statements or valid points that do not back up what you believe (some people have already tried to explain to you...you don't care). Now I'm not saying that Cloud and Aeris are not a thing, because they are canon too and CloTi fans who don't acknowledge that are just as ignorant. Despite me not caring for that ship, I can understand why people ship them and I don't think they are crazy for that. You don't know everything missy, the majority Cloud x Tifa shippers are not going to change their minds because of your little post. So please save your breath, leave us alone and go enjoy your Cloud x Aeris fanfics~
:)
Seriously lol. She's been doing this for months, maybe years. I've seen her comments in so many major CloTi videos, posting the same thing, I'm almost admiring her dedication to troll and annoy others. ALMOST. The thing is nobody who ships Cloud and Tifa agrees or cares with those copy/pasted arguments, in fact they can - and have - made even better counter arguments themselves, but people come to these videos to enjoy the ship in peace, there are enough arguments in forums and on tumblr. So what is really the point? Annoy everyone??
There are Cleriths who shove their ship in people's faces, yes. BUT CLOTIS ARE NO DIFFERENT.
GO LOOK UP Tumblr and see that there are rabid Clotis crosstagging into the Clerith tag and calling Cleriths "delusional" when they also have their reasons to LOVE THEIR SHIP.
Actually I don't disagree with you. I know 1 Cloti fan who is very annoying and wants to start drama. Even tho most of the stuff he posts about delusions is true, like how SOME Cleriths think the end of AC means Cloud will move and permanently live at church and have relationship with Aerith's ghost - when the point is him letting go and going back home; or how they think Cloud taking Zack's sword from his grave and moving it to Aerith's flowers creating a shared memorial in a place where he let his guilt and both his friends' spirits finally go is Clerith sign instead of Zerith at most (I myself don't think it's romantic at all but whatever) - these things are delusions, BUT see, I still don't go to these people and tell them about it. I let them be delusioned if they want. And they MOST DEFINITELY can (AND SHOULD!) ship what they want. I also don't like what that 1 Cloti fan is doing and you know what I did? I blocked him, even tho he's a Cloti fan, because I don't like drama. And tumblr allows that, but RUclips doesn't. Here I am forced to read all this bullshit on almost every Cloud and Tifa video.
If we're going in details, there are 3-4 famous insufferable Cleriths on tumblr as well (many Clotis can tell you their names) who try to impose their narrative and write anti-Cloti essays. At least they don't cross-tag lately, but they would jump in positive Cloud x Tifa posts and preach their truths. The only reason I haven't blocked all of them (only 1 iirc) is because of several times even non-shippers would intervene with their antics and give them a proper lecture, and I'm afraid if I block them I might not be able to open those posts and amuse myself by rereading (yes, I'm evil like that sometimes xD).
Overall, tumblr is full of shittiest part of shipwars, but at least it allows me to block people.
EDIT: wait, I spoke too soon, I opened Cloti tag today and one of those Cleriths I mentioned was parading one of their nonsensical essays. (And when I say nonsensical, I MEAN NONSENSICAL, every rational person will understand once they read it. And this word doesn't apply to those who peacefully ship)
Even after 11 years, people still argue about this? 😂😂😂 oh dear cloud my boi, your relationship the two girls you love are really fuck up people's brains.
She's right, cloud is not the type of guy who's a quitter, he should get to the bottom of this situation that they're all in.
Cloud: They have the kids at their base, I need to get reinforcements even from Rufus.
Tifa: Cloud go to the their base alone and confront them!
Because she knows he's strong enough to take them on his own. It's the Geostigma that's really bringing Cloud back deep into his insecurities and fears. Tifa nailed it on the head. He's scared to try, scared that he'll screw it up somehow. But just because he might fail doesn't mean that Cloud should just give up
Why is Cloud and Aerith even a thing when you have Cloud and Tifa? Tifa just seems better to me in every way.
MadjaX Cloud and Aerith aren’t a “thing” people just ship them, for whatever reason.
@@Lunafroyo Poor Zack getting left out by those CloudxAerith shippers
An Arriving Winged Hussar Cloud never loved Tifa. He was attract to her when he was child. They never be friends before 7. And Tifa barely know true Cloud. He can’t be with her because he still loved Aerith. I like Tifa but I am not blind as you are.
YAPP!!!
after the remake, i root for jessie and cloud lmao. they more story to side characthers, but still tho cloud and tifa are meant to be. i still ship them
real talk is always spoken in the bedroom. 💓😁
Heh
This reminds me of the struggles in school. (No more essay nonsence I dont want to hurt everyone's eyes)
KeShi_Online you and me pal
Wow, Remake Tifa has a much better voice it's almost absurd
Nice. I'm finally going to picked this one more because of how they were interpreted as Yin/Yang. Darkness/Light (that one scene when both are unconscious lol.)
2020 Final fantasy vii remake
Listen bro, if your best girl tells you to fight you fight.
Well, Tifa really snapped it out on Cloud for constantly dragging himself ard like an a**hole when ppl are depending on him. If Tifa had decided not to be with him, i think Cloud wont be able to survive long. It really doesnt matter if Cloud was in love with her or Aerith, bcos for all the things she had and would do for him, she deserves to be with him if she could help it, not as if Cloud was such a great guy or anything (bcos he’s an a**hole like me), but bcos Tifa deserves to be with the person she loves and deserves Cloud in a way or another.
It doesn’t matter if Cloud doesn’t reciprocate Tifa’s feelings for him, bcos he doesn’t deserve her anyway. He could end up with Aerith for all i care. Bcos, even if he managed to save the Planet 100 times over, he still will not deserve Tifa.
Period.
Thankyou!! finally someone speaking facts
Aaron9 woah... just chill out dude
Aaron9 Lol no she didn’t she got stabbed by a masamune in cold blood murder
A Mariahxo ready to see it in hd cause we will only have to wait a couple of years
First of all let me clear this out when cloud said aerith bring denzel to his bike tifa corrects him by saying no aerith didn't bring denzel to u she bring denzel to us and yeah further in the movie ffac aerith did say this kid is little too big to be adopted which refer to cloud
Man, and people still think Clerith is a thing when no one can put this boy in his place like Tifa? Psh. Cloti is canon. Change my mind.
Aerith was another chapter of Cloud's life. Something that has already passed.
Tifa IS his future. I mean all the hints are in these movie that they are basically married and has adopted kids lol
Tifa and Cloud is canon, dont worry some people just dont want to see the truth or they didnt understand story, but Tifa and Cloud together is true love story of this game and i feel even more of it from Remake + I think in the Remake will be also more Zerith moments :)
@@hraberuka2847 do they really end up together or just fan speculation?
@@hoohag5371 How i know the story and the characters, yes they are together :)
both of the ships are canon. literally. there is too many points for both sides. in the remake the player gets to choose who cloud should be with. though i am a clerith shipper, so i can try to explain why they are probably more cannon.
in the remake, tifa asks cloud about his relations with her, and he tells her they saved each other, round and round it goes. but then she asks, "are you sure there's nothing else going on?" and he stays silent. Aerith asks the same thing to Cloud, wondering if tifa and him are together, and he flat out denies it. In aerith's resolution scene, she tells him not to fall in love with her. He doesn't say anything, and she cups his face with one hand, saying "even if you think you have. it's not real."
he replies with "do I have a say in any of this?" hinting that he wants to decide what he feels for her, not her automatically ruling it off as nothing. It's cannon aerith loves him ; more than she loved zack. she said herself :
""Although called my first love, that doesn’t mean that we became particularly intimate.
Yeah, I call this first love. Mother got angry at Zack when she saw me like that. That matter made him completely at fault.
At first when I met Cloud, I believed he was similar to Zack. Little actions, the way he spoke… his kindness. But Cloud is Cloud. I, now undoubtedly, love Cloud much more than Zack. "
even if she fell in love with him because of how much he resembled zack, it doesn't matter. she grew to love CLOUD not because of zack, but because of who cloud is.
another example is in advent children; the scene above, where tifa says "dilly dally shilly shally!"
cloud brushes it off. yes he cares, but not as much as when aerith says it. when aerith says "dilly dally shilly shally; maybe it's you who needs to do the forgiving."
after she says that, it gives him almost like a little push to forgive himself. nothing tifa says will help him, but a few sentences from aerith helps him go on.
Tetsuya Nomura, Ladys & Gentleman, Tetsuya No-fucking-mura.
I❤️Tifa !!!
Well... I have just play the remake and I got to say my perspective changed about this Cloud/Tifa thing, in the remake the chapter with Aerith feels better and with far more Chemistry, also Cloud change from an inexpressive asshole to a more human character after the missions with Aerith...Besides the fate thing implying lots of things could change...
Thats the Zack side of him fighting to get out.
@@michaelwilson5114 I thought they were going to change that as well. Since Zack is going to come back, or whatever they're saying. If that one thing is taken away then there's nothing stopping Cloud. Cloud is just Cloud. He isn't open to Tifa because he remembers the past clearly. In the past the whole town blames him for Tifa's fall. Which then enables him to leave for SOLDIER.
0:59 i feel cloud😢
ah yes the days of 240p uploads
tifa is more beautiful here than in the remake!
Tifa's neck is sooo long
cloud belong to tifa~~~(cloti)
*Yup*
^ this salty CA omg 😂
Nope, remake said no
After seeing FFVII Rebirth, its cute that Rude and Reno are now open to.work with non Shinra groups now.
DOS FEELZ
Tifa: *angry Tifa noises*
Turks: Aight, I'mma head out
when tifa said that"that only works with real families"does she mean that cloud and tifa are dating?
They love eachother.Cloud loves Tifa since he was a little boy.U can't talk about Cloud wizout Tifa.All He wants for his Life is Tifa.That's the Official setting,
No, she is referring to her family of friends. Cloud was adopted into their family by Marlene which was started by Barrett and Marlene.
Yukime Hime
Yes,they r official couple.U should buy and read official books.U never ever found anything about Clarith but Cloti.U don't read official books?ok u r not real FF7-fan.
+Allen Walker You really need to read case of Tifa and Nojima's thoughts on cloud and Tifa. Tifa and Cloud have a platonic bond and no amount of fan boying is going to change their platonic relationship let alone fanfics.
so are they dating or not? i didn t watch the whole movie but i think the love story between tifa and cloud is in game/book or anything was before this movie
Dilly dally shilly shally y’all really couldn’t come up with a better translation 😂
I swear it sounds like Tifa is saying "I'll memory your ass" even though she's saying "a memory or us"😂😂😂😂😂
"I'll memory you ass." SO funny XD hahahaha.
15 years ago????? thank you, youtube. i'm sure you're not confused at all and thinks that this is a normal thing. i just watch every ff7 contents those exist ;)
Sakura CardCaptor I think u r just a aerith x clouds fan and if u r planning to start a debate over the issue with me be my guest bcuz ik every thing about aerith,cloud and tifa and I'll suggest u to re watch the case of tifa all three parts plus don't read fan made pages which contains nonsense about the beautiful and absolutely awesome game not to mention (zack)too
Y'know, since Remake will tie in all the spin offs, I wonder if Denzel will be there for them to adopt to tie in Advent Children and not just a random kid who showed up for the move to encourage Cloud.
tifa looks so much better in the ff7 remake
PLEASE Reno trying to leave the room
Lowest possible resolution lmao
This is my ff7
I used to hate Reno and rude but since AC, i loved them.
Huh, kinda ironic don't ya think?😂
You and me both
I’m sorry 15 years ago
i don't see how this scene, or this entire movie, added anything to the ff7 story at all. all it did was cast the same stumbling blocks in the character's development (but only cloud and tifa, not the others) - stumbling blocks that they had already overcome in ff7. cloud let go of his fears. he let go of his losses. he forgave himself for his weaknesses; for letting himself be manipulated by sephiroth, for letting aerith die; he overcame all of these and upheld zack's dying wishes and avenged aerith. and - he and tifa came to terms with their feelings for each other. and not to mention some other things that happened under the highwind...
now cloud is running from himself again, afraid of himself again, pushing people away again, there is nothing new. a little tough love from tifa and now he's back and he saves the world again.
what retched regurgitation. i don't care what anyone says; this movie will never be canon in my book.
not only that, but other characters have actually regressed in development; reno and rude are shown as bumbling idiots, barrett is shown not to be so bright either, yuffie still hordes materia - for no good reason... sid, nanaki, vincent, and the traitor have zero development here. (although it is nice to have a little more screen time from vincent). and we now have three emo mini-sephiroths that came from god only knows where.... all of this flashy animation and cool fight scenes promise so much more than this movie can deliver.
and don't even get me started on cloud and aerith. they are so over. i say again: this movie will never be canon.
Because when something becomes so mainstream and important as FF7 did, milking the franchise for money is just bound to happen
i agree tbh, shit this makes it worse for cloud too, he does something worse than running from himself, he becomes a deadbeat dad, he runs away from people he took in, his adoptive kids, and leaves tifa alone to raise and provide for them. When you decide to become responsible for a life like that then its not about you and just you anymore, whether or not tifa an cloud are actually together we do know they took on the responsibility of raising these kids and he just up and leaves thats actually pretty horrible tbh
Who put this bowl of onions here? ;-;
With the remake and everything I truly hope Cloud and Tifa will get married, adopt kids but also have a few of their own. Yes, I truly hope Cloud and Tifa will get married and make lots of babies.
Well, I just edited a comment because I saw a few small inaccuracies, and as a result, youtube thought it was now too long and deleted the entire comment including the 20 below it, thanks youtube, cool move.
@Ishys de Arzhyel If you ever read this, thanks for the nice words, I wasn't able to read your entire comment, and you are apparently the last person to ever read mine, so I'm glad you at least enjoyed it XD
i can do tifas voice to a T everyone thinks im her tell thay see im not XD
Reno is just kinda like a Jojo villain at this point, this guy has done unconscionable things, murdering millions with sector 7 and kidnapping people but is now the comic relief best buddy to Cloud. Hey bud looks like you ND the room we'll skedaddle. Is it weird he killed more people than Seph did in nibelheim?
I always wanted cloud and tifa to get together. Aerith seemed more like a sister to cloud, to me
I've started seeing it this way, too. I mean I feel like it doesn't necessarily matter whether Cloud and Tifa are outright romantic because their relationship is so much about unconditional love and having each other's backs no matter what. But with Aerith, it's like... Just put your finger over how flirty she gets, and her teasing demeanor towards him really does feel pretty reminiscent to that of a big sister.
@Aaron9 Jesus christ you're obsessed (and narratively illiterate)
@Aaron9 u r the clueless one
I hope this scene be in the remake
This is from Advent Children, a movie taking place 2 years after the game's events.
the title is:The most important talk between Tifa and Cloud but Aerith theme all the video LOL
At the end Cloud says "but I let you die". He's feeling guilt for Aerith's death.
Reno is MGS’s Raiden. Dang
Yeah Cloud doesn't deserve Tifa.
And yeah officially zack is aerith first boyfriend not cloud
I don't care, Cloud loves Tifa or not, but for me, Tifa is the best girl in FF.
Cloud bego banget sih, kok gak bisa move on, hidup harus berlanjut, seharusnya Cloud dapat melihat gadis mana yang selama ini mendukung dan terus berada di sisinya, gadis itu adalah Tifa..
Cloud is an idiot who never realize about Tifa's feeling...
(sorry if my grammar so bad )
Greetings from Surabaya Indonesia,
Iam ship Cloud x Tiffa 4ever
Actually the stupid is Tifa cause when they're kids he loves her and he joined to SOLDIER cause she want to be a hero to impress her
@Squal Leonhart
Tifa isn't stupid, Cloud is the stupid one
@@ekawiyani1089 i mean that you said "Cloud is stupid for no see Tifa's feelings" when Cloud is the one who was in love since they are kids
@@La-hora-del-terror 😅
I hope Cloud will be firmer in expressing his feelings for Tifa. I will jump for joy
@@ekawiyani1089 i think they under the highwind they have sex also in Advent Children they are like a family
Final Fantasy; Wedding's Song(s). 🇲🇾🌟🇲🇾🎁
WHY ARENT THEY MARRIED?
Well, I mean..
Totally banged under the stars below the airship at the end of disk 3, so how the fuck-
Barret and Cid saw live porn. Nothing like getting a piece of ass before a huge brawl goes down.
Also cloud and tifa grew up together in the middle of nowhere and used to meet up late at night under the stars. Come on bra.
He has a lot of guilt and she has commitment issues idk
@Aaron9 it depends on your (hidden) affection score with Tifa by then. There are videos showing both versions.
Tifa~
( Holy Torches )
守护星； 拥有者。
O; Guidance's Star (s). 🌟🇲🇾🌟🙋